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| GAN900 | ~flashing | 00:04 |
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| infobot | hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware | 00:04 |
| thiago_home | tablet? :-) | 00:05 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, yes, we have internet tablets | 00:07 |
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| GAN900 | thiago_home, meh. | 00:18 |
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| GAN900 | It's redirected from a number of articles. | 00:18 |
| GAN900 | Lot of Google inertia behind that one. | 00:19 |
| zs | is it safe to change repo from 1.0 to daily builds? | 00:21 |
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| Stskeeps | zs: about as safe as peeing on a electric fence | 00:27 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 00:27 |
| zs | I mean is it working :P | 00:27 |
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| CosmoHill | pee on it and find out | 00:27 |
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| kendrick | hey there. someone piqued my interest in meego by posting a video of a pre-alpha tablet :) | 00:28 |
| kendrick | and now i'm all eager to hear whether libSDL is, or will be, part of the stack? | 00:28 |
| kendrick | (i've written a number of games and such, most famously, "Tux Paint", using SDL) | 00:28 |
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| kendrick | (Tux Paint having been ported to a couple of Maemo platforms in the past... not by me, though :) ) | 00:29 |
| thiago_home | kendrick: SDL can be installed, just like most other Linux packages | 00:29 |
| thiago_home | but it's not "MeeGo API" | 00:29 |
| kendrick | is this the thiago who i probably knew from #kde? :) | 00:30 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: how's your hayfever? | 00:30 |
| thiago_home | yes, same one | 00:30 |
| kendrick | hey hey! | 00:30 |
| DawnFoster | kendrick: I just installed Tux Paint on my meego netbook (I was testing installations) :) | 00:30 |
| thiago_home | SDL is probably not a bad idea if you're going to make a full-screen app | 00:30 |
| kendrick | ok. well, i have no idea wheather SDL was "part of" Maemo, either. but i'm happy that there's a possibility to (probably relatively easily?) get something like TUx Paint running on MeeGo | 00:30 |
| kendrick | DawnFoster - seriously?! cool! photo!? :) | 00:30 |
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| DawnFoster | kendrick: Tux Paint is actually in the meego garage | 00:31 |
| kendrick | i, uh, err... what's that? :) | 00:31 |
| DawnFoster | So, it's easily installed. My only issue is that the window doesn't resize & I can't get to the buttons on the bottom. | 00:31 |
| DawnFoster | Oh, it's a MeeGo installation client with some open source application preloaded to make it easy for novice users to install things | 00:32 |
| kendrick | Dawn - You can do one of two things: (1) ask it to run in a specific resolution (via config file or command-line options) or (2) ask it to run in the current desktop resolution ("native" option, that only works with fullscreen mode) | 00:32 |
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| kendrick | it needs min 640px wide by min 480px tall at the moment. | 00:32 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: horrible as usual | 00:33 |
| kendrick | what resolution is the device you're testing on? | 00:33 |
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| kendrick | and is it a touchscreen? we just realized (due to someone prepping tux paint for use in an art museum) that the shape rotation feature only works with something that supports drag w/o click (e.g., mouse, trackball or stylus... and NOT touchscreen) | 00:34 |
| kendrick | man, how exciting :) | 00:34 |
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| DawnFoster | it's a Toshiba NB 305 netbook (no touchscreen) | 00:34 |
| kendrick | i ended up with a free android phone recently, but have been drooling over the Nokia N900, and now i see things seem to be getting even cooler and more exciting in this area of linux :) | 00:34 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: if hayfever was human it would be trying to kill me at the moment | 00:35 |
| kendrick | i popped by sternum out sneezing 40x in a row due to allergies a few years back. hasn't been right since :( | 00:35 |
| kendrick | DanwFoster - internet tells me: "internal resolution : 1,024 x 600 " | 00:35 |
| kendrick | so that's confusing... | 00:36 |
| kendrick | maybe that's not precisely the model you have. | 00:36 |
| DawnFoster | nah, it's running lower than that - hang on, I'll check | 00:36 |
| kendrick | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/15/toshiba-mini-nb305-review/ and http://uk.computers.toshiba-europe.com/innovation/product/Toshiba-NB305-106/1079909/toshibaShop/false/ both said 1024x600 :) | 00:37 |
| kendrick | by default tux paint tries to run in 800x600 these days. | 00:37 |
| kendrick | unless you tell it otherwise (either specifically, or by asking it to use the display's current rez via "--fullscreen --native" for example) | 00:37 |
| kendrick | is there anything that we could add to 'upstream' to help make it easier to build for MeeGo? | 00:38 |
| Myrtti | electric fence? where? | 00:38 |
| kendrick | we have some old "#ifdef NOKIA_770" stuff in the code, and a "maemo/" folder (with nothing more than a "debian/" subfolder and some packaging-related files, I guess?) | 00:39 |
| kendrick | oh SHOOT, that reminds me. i've got some Sugar patches i need to apply. | 00:39 |
| kendrick | my day job's been super busy lately, and i have a very active 3.5yo son, so my tux paint hacking time is near nil nowadays | 00:40 |
| DawnFoster | kendrick: http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/4728713560/ | 00:40 |
| DawnFoster | (Tux Paint on MeeGo netbook) | 00:40 |
| CosmoHill | I thought you physically painted a netbook for a moment | 00:41 |
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| kendrick | heh, yeah. ego-browsing i often find people talking about 'tux paint' horses, or things (e.g., a car) with a 'tux paint job' | 00:42 |
| kendrick | so Dawn - you'll want to specify 1024x(600-taskbar_height) | 00:42 |
| DawnFoster | kendrick, and you are absolutely right about my screen resolution - it just looks lower to me | 00:42 |
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| kendrick | if you're in a 600px tall system, and you want to run tux paint in 600px tall window, you'll need either (a) fullscreen or (b) turn off window manager titlebar ;) | 00:43 |
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| DawnFoster | kendrick - where do I specify config options? | 00:43 |
| kendrick | you can do it on the command-line (e.g., "tuxpaint --fullscreen --native" or "tuxpaint --1024x480") | 00:44 |
| DawnFoster | kendrick: here's the info on developing for meego: http://meego.com/developers/ | 00:44 |
| kendrick | or in a config file (on Linux, either "~/.tuxpaintrc" or "/etc/tuxpaint/tuxpaint.conf" IIRC) | 00:44 |
| kendrick | don't tempt me ;) | 00:44 |
| kendrick | oh, and anyway, the config versions of those options would be: fullscreen=yes native=yes windowsize=1024x480 | 00:45 |
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| * kendrick is eager to see this meego stuff unfold. but i'm out of mobile dev at the moment (company i was working for bailed out RIGHT as iPhone was opening up... dumbasses :) ) | 00:46 | |
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| kendrick | as CTO of Smashwords.com, though, i'll say Meego needs lots of ebook readers ;) | 00:46 |
| DawnFoster | Maybe minor changes for a MeeGo build with options that run better for netbooks (hint) | 00:46 |
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| kendrick | ok, speaking of which, i need to get back to work :) | 00:47 |
| kendrick | i can (occasionally) be found in #tux4kids btw. | 00:48 |
| DawnFoster | kendrick: thanks for popping in - great talking to you | 00:48 |
| kendrick | thanks dawn! :) cool stuff | 00:48 |
| kendrick | yeah, keep in touch. i'm happy to accept patches or suggestions on ways to make things install smoother 'out of the box' on all platforms that tux paint supports | 00:48 |
| kendrick | i don't like platform ports languishing just because i release a new version of tux paint ;) | 00:48 |
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| * kendrick coughs at the 5yo OS/2 build | 00:49 | |
| kendrick | ok, cya! | 00:49 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 00:49 |
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| CosmoHill | i swear hayfever is affecting my typing :( | 00:49 |
| CosmoHill | oh you guys know I'm building a cluster | 00:50 |
| CosmoHill | two nodes where DOA and a third physically blow up | 00:50 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, so, did you end up peeing on the fence? | 01:27 |
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| DawnFoster | we had electric fences as a kid & girls know better than that anyway :) | 01:27 |
| DawnFoster | actually, I stick to the mainstream releases and updates, since I answer a lot of questions in the forums | 01:28 |
| DawnFoster | it's easier if I have the same build as most people | 01:28 |
| lcuk | yeah, tis sensible | 01:28 |
| * lcuk missed discussion - football etc ;) | 01:28 | |
| DawnFoster | We have TVs in the office, and I've never seen anyone actually watch them except during the world cup | 01:29 |
| lcuk | yeah its a distraction normally, but with so many people joining in its odd | 01:29 |
| DawnFoster | They actually made people stop watching certain TVs because they were too disruptive (cheers / groans) | 01:29 |
| arjan | DawnFoster: during world series they got used too | 01:29 |
| DawnFoster | they set up viewing areas on the cafe | 01:29 |
| lcuk | i had to go pick jake up 10mins before the end of our match - roads were dead | 01:30 |
| arjan | lcuk: he | 01:30 |
| arjan | tomorrow .nl is going to be shut down for 2 hours | 01:30 |
| arjan | stores will close early, busses and trains just stop, etc etc | 01:30 |
| lcuk | lol, my missus was debating mid afterrnoon beers | 01:30 |
| Aqualize | Is there a known bug where the touchpad stops working (in meego 1.0) right when the dashboard etc. shows home screen shows up? | 01:32 |
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| Myrtti | *YAWN* | 08:26 |
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| Stskeeps | morn | 08:27 |
| Myrtti | laundry day. I came online to do something before heading downstairs, but I forgot what | 08:28 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in approximately 30 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings | 08:33 |
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| Stskeeps | REMINDER: N900 hardware adaptation team meeting in approximately 3 minutes in #meego-meeting , agenda at http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Meetings | 08:58 |
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| copyleft | Stskeeps: Got this one :) http://wiki.meego.com/Build_Infrastructure/Sysadmin_Distro/OBS1.8_setup_openSUSE112 | 10:15 |
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| Stskeeps | cool | 10:15 |
| copyleft | Stskeeps: Thank you and the team! I will reinstall my obs again by this doc. | 10:16 |
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| lbt | o/ | 10:30 |
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| tekojo | hello lbt | 10:44 |
| Stskeeps | morn tekojo, lbt, slaine | 10:44 |
| * Stskeeps goes look for some more coffee | 10:44 | |
| * tekojo has been lurking here so long that it feels like lunchtime | 10:45 | |
| Stskeeps | i was pondering to dine out but it's like 15 C outside and raining | 10:45 |
| lbt | it's not? | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 10:45 |
| * lbt looks at the blue skies and listens to the birds sing ;) | 10:45 | |
| lbt | it's not always miserable weather in the UK :D | 10:46 |
| frals_ | finally summer in HEL \o/ | 10:46 |
| tekojo | midsummer coming on fast | 10:46 |
| lbt | frals_: today or tomorrow? | 10:46 |
| frals_ | tis warm today and clear blue sky from where im sitting :) | 10:46 |
| slaine | it's been great here the last few days | 10:47 |
| slaine | I need coffee too | 10:47 |
| slaine | morning btw | 10:47 |
| slaine | hmmm, I've 80 unread emails in meego-dev | 10:47 |
| tekojo | slaine: select all, mark read | 10:47 |
| slaine | nothing to see here, move along | 10:48 |
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| leinir | Hmm... be kind of interesting to get some named nokia people on this one: http://my-symbian.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=41893 | 11:35 |
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| Myrtti | leinir: but I thought that was on the roadmap ages ago | 11:40 |
| Myrtti | it's not like it's news | 11:40 |
| leinir | Oh right, must've happened while i was dived into my thesis - in that case, kewl beans :) | 11:41 |
| leinir | It's news to me, but if it happened in the last two months, well... ;) | 11:41 |
| Myrtti | no, I thought it was like ages ago | 11:41 |
| leinir | Hmm... | 11:42 |
| Myrtti | although the news then might have mentioned Maemo as Meego wasn't published then | 11:43 |
| Surfa | leinir, there is a name in public for that | 11:43 |
| Surfa | not that it would make it any more official | 11:44 |
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| Surfa | leinir, original news here: http://www.cnet.com.au/is-symbian-out-for-the-nokia-n-series-339304056.htm | 11:44 |
| Myrtti | but wait, this might have been the "oh no, this is not true, we deny everything" thing | 11:44 |
| leinir | Myrtti: Yeah, that's what i was thinking - that one i very clearly remember as a decidedly *facepalm* sort of moment :) | 11:45 |
| Surfa | but you can find plenty of errors in statements in that news item.. | 11:45 |
| Surfa | so, you may think almost whatever you want about that news item :) | 11:47 |
| Surfa | and then within year or two someone can say that "i was right" | 11:47 |
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| leinir | *nods* Hehe, it's an art form to do that sort of thing ;) | 11:48 |
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| thiago | leinir: it's news to me :-P | 11:54 |
| thiago | you know, they don't tell us these things | 11:54 |
| thiago | we learn from engadget | 11:55 |
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| leinir | thiago: *nods* Yeah - Engadget has better spies than Nokia has internal communication ;) | 11:55 |
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| thiago | for example, my guess as to what the S series is is as good as Engadget's | 11:55 |
| leinir | *nods* :) | 11:55 |
| pinchartl | thiago: don't you find it annoying ? | 11:56 |
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| thiago | of course, everyone is now speculating on whether the N9 is MeeGo, but that cnet story that Surfa linked to is clear: Nokia has not announced any device called N9 | 11:57 |
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| thiago | pinchartl: I know stuff by codenames only. The consumer name is marketing... | 11:57 |
| pinchartl | thiago: I mean don't you find it annoying that you learn many things from the net instead of internally ? | 11:58 |
| thiago | pinchartl: no, not annoying | 11:58 |
| thiago | just funny and ironic | 11:58 |
| pinchartl | :-) | 11:59 |
| leinir | i just wonder when Nokia realises that they need to just hire the Engadget guys to take care of their internal communications ;) | 12:00 |
| thiago | one of our guys once was contacted on facebook and offered money for any leaks... | 12:00 |
| pinchartl | hehe | 12:00 |
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| pinchartl | thiago: if he told you that means he didn't get offered enough money ;-) | 12:01 |
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| JureG | hi all | 12:02 |
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| thiago | pinchartl: that's assuming everyone has their price, which may not be always true | 12:04 |
| Surfa | thiago, or are you just being ignorant about internal communications? | 12:05 |
| pinchartl | thiago: a friend of mine uses to say that everyone has a price, including the price to get a bullet between the eyes. you can be proud when that one is cheaper | 12:06 |
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| Surfa | for those you know finnis: http://www.tietokone.fi/uutiset/nokia_siirtyy_nseries_alypuhelimissa_meegoon | 12:08 |
| thiago | Surfa: actually, what I said before is true: I only care about the codenames | 12:08 |
| Surfa | shortly: official confirmation of no more symbian in n-series | 12:08 |
| till- | replaced by meego? | 12:11 |
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| thiago | google translation: Symbian remains perusälypuhelimiin | 12:12 |
| thiago | wonderful | 12:12 |
| thiago | :-P | 12:12 |
| Surfa | basic smartphones :) | 12:12 |
| Surfa | whatever that means | 12:13 |
| thiago | looks like the meaning of the last sentence got inverted in the translation: Nokia is trying to bring a single developer as MeeGo, Symbian, Web-based applications than Qt applications. | 12:13 |
| till- | no n-series i guess | 12:13 |
| till- | but what about this symbian^4 thing? | 12:14 |
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| Surfa | till-, what about it? :) | 12:14 |
| till- | wasn't that ment to be the new symbian for smartphones etc? | 12:15 |
| till- | or is it a codename für meego? | 12:15 |
| Surfa | i think nowhere is stated that symbian will cease to exist? | 12:16 |
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| thiago | the article even says otherwise | 12:16 |
| Surfa | i don't know about the translation but originally it doesn't say anything like it | 12:16 |
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| till- | so symbian(^3,^4) remains in the e- and c-series | 12:17 |
| Surfa | and x- | 12:18 |
| till- | okay, great :) | 12:18 |
| Surfa | Symbian in general don't know anything about versions, it's not public knowledge | 12:20 |
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| till- | but the n8 will be the last symbian based n-series device? | 12:22 |
| Surfa | that's what seems to be confirmed by nokia now | 12:24 |
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| Surfa | and officially before next year, there will be a meego device | 12:24 |
| Surfa | that's pretty much all you can say for now | 12:25 |
| till- | i hope so | 12:25 |
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| Nervengift | does anybody know if meego will use the nokia ovi store? | 13:30 |
| gour | according to wiki docs, it will | 13:31 |
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| Nervengift | will the netbook version do so too? | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | Nervengift: no, nokia's meego probably will | 13:33 |
| Stskeeps | but the open source meego.. doubt it | 13:33 |
| Nervengift | installing the smartphone ui in virtualbox will be possible, won't it? | 13:36 |
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| Stskeeps | no clue | 13:37 |
| Nervengift | hmm waiting and trying^^ | 13:39 |
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| Myrtti | the question is: "Why do you want to do that?" | 13:41 |
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| Stskeeps | smartphone ui in virtualbox could be useful :P | 13:42 |
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| copyleft | jedix: Hi | 14:07 |
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| copyleft | jedix: It seems the line on OBS 1.8 MeeGo doc -- "zypper mr -d openSUSE_Tools" causes the missing dependance when installing obs-server. | 14:10 |
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| tekojo | signing off for midsummer! | 14:46 |
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| * thiago wonders why midsummer happens in Finland 3 days later than the rest of the world | 15:27 | |
| leinir | In Denmark it was yesterday | 15:28 |
| leinir | Blame the missionaries :P | 15:28 |
| petteri | long weekend, so that we can drink enough | 15:29 |
| leinir | They decided that having it on the day was too pagan :P | 15:29 |
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| leinir | At least that's the case in Denmark, where it's called Saint Hans and an effigy of a witch is burnt on a huge bonfire | 15:29 |
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| sx0n | actual day length leveling happened already few days ago, it is shortening currently. midsummer parties however.. is different thing. | 15:37 |
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| miig | Hi, maybe someone can help me. I installed in MeeGo mplayer. When I start play in mplayer any video, when i try to change the mode (full screen or not), rewind, or any other actions netbook hangs. Why it can be? Sorry for my bad english. | 15:39 |
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| lbt | Interesting btrfs ml snippets on LWN : http://lwn.net/Articles/393148/ (I'm not qualified to assess this.. so this is just FYI, not btrfs bashing) | 15:55 |
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| TSCHAKWerk | lbt: i've been rather nervous about the unusual manner in which btrfs populates its trees, too. I would like to see more real world testing though, before i make any sort of judgement. | 16:06 |
| Termana | lbt, you BTRFS basher | 16:07 |
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| Termana | It would probably be a good idea to send any info to the mailing list | 16:07 |
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| TSCHAKWerk | i do like to think that there is some sort of thought process behind people who design filesystems | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | meh, go for ZFS | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:08 |
| TSCHAKWerk | they're not easy things to improve. | 16:08 |
| w00t_ | if you read the rest of that thread, it's a lot more balanced | 16:08 |
| miig | Hi again, maybe someone can help me. I installed in MeeGo mplayer. When I start play in mplayer any video, when i try to change the mode (full screen or not), rewind, or any other actions netbook hangs. Why it can be? Sorry for my bad english. | 16:08 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKWerk: 'ooh, i just learnt about b-trees in algorithmics class. let me build a file system!' | 16:08 |
| TSCHAKWerk | and so long as we keep labouring under these idiotic delusions of fixed heirarchies of blobs of untyped binary data, we'll have these same idiotic problems | 16:08 |
| TSCHAKWerk | over and over and over and over again | 16:09 |
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| lbt | w00t_: you're right... I assumed that LWN would provide a balanced set of snips... maybe not. | 16:16 |
| GAN900 | Ah, summer vacation | 16:16 |
| GAN900 | Good time to release the handset UX | 16:16 |
| Bostik | in about 30 minutes, yes | 16:16 |
| GAN900 | Meaning all of the enthusiasm at the initial release is going into a black hole. | 16:17 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: or perhaps the best time to drag in hobbyists. | 16:17 |
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| GAN900 | Mmm | 16:19 |
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| esp77 | does meego have any bug fixes and updates between releases? | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | there's daily, weekly images | 16:32 |
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| luist_ | hey... in garage_data.xml can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too | 16:47 |
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| jedix | copyleft: which packages are missing after removing that repo? | 17:34 |
| jedix | there wasn't as issue | 17:34 |
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| Passeli | what when is the handset UX going to be released? | 17:49 |
| Stskeeps | this month | 17:49 |
| Passeli | so next week | 17:49 |
| TSCHAKWerk | right down to the wire | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | there's a week next week.. | 17:50 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:50 |
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| slaine | Who's betting on next wednesday then :) | 17:59 |
| Stskeeps | i'm betting on next wednesday as well, since the TSG was moved ;) | 17:59 |
| slaine | bingo | 17:59 |
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| Stskeeps | 30th, the day of 'no more excuses for not being open', i hope | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | .. and i'm going to be offline that entire week | 18:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 18:00 |
| vgrade | here, here | 18:00 |
| vgrade | being open, not you offline stskeeps | 18:01 |
| jedix | yeah, it'll be opened.. except video drivers | 18:01 |
| Stskeeps | yeah, but at least the meego content :P | 18:02 |
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| paxl | Is there a reason behing MeeGo using extlinux instead of grub ? | 18:06 |
| jedix | what arch? | 18:06 |
| Stskeeps | i think one of the reasons being that the syslinux guy is employed there | 18:06 |
| paxl | Atom | 18:07 |
| paxl | Stskeeps: that make total sence :) | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | technical reasons, .. ask on meego-dev :) | 18:08 |
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| fjrivash | One question : Is CNS3410 (ARM11 family) compatible with that one which comes with N900? | 18:24 |
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| fjrivash | N900 comes with a ARM Cortex A8, is not it? | 18:26 |
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| Stskeeps | sec | 18:26 |
| fjrivash | is ARM9 family does it? | 18:26 |
| Stskeeps | well, you need ARMv5 at least | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 18:27 |
| Stskeeps | the n900 image won't, but if you just select armv5 repos instead of v7, and make an image.. | 18:28 |
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| Stskeeps | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ARM_architecture#ARM_cores is a nice reference for ARMv5 / ARMv6 / ARMv7 | 18:28 |
| fjrivash | It would run on that processor? | 18:28 |
| Stskeeps | no expert opinion from me, but if the processor is ARMv5 and you have a MMU and a linux kernel, then possibly | 18:29 |
| Stskeeps | keep in mind you will need GLES2 for some UX'es and probably at least 128mb ram :P | 18:29 |
| fjrivash | Yes! I saw it I need to confirm with experts :D. I am trying with a virtual machine | 18:29 |
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| fjrivash | thank you once again Stskeeps :D | 18:31 |
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| fjrivash | Stskeeps, I have this one ARMv6K (ARM11 MPCore) and nokia is ARMv7-A (Cortex-A8), so is armv5tel, this armv7l or neither of them? | 18:41 |
| fjrivash | (from repos versions I mean) | 18:41 |
| Stskeeps | well, armv7l won't work with armv6k, but armv5tel will | 18:42 |
| fjrivash | Ggggreat! :D Stskeeps I am going to test it, Thank you. | 18:42 |
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| trip0 | #meeog is a lonely place | 18:51 |
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| Stskeeps | mm, at least the -arm channel has a lot of traffic | 18:52 |
| trip0 | oh, cool | 18:52 |
| trip0 | i had no idea that channel existed | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | (.. right now we're a bit silent cos all the finns went on holiday) | 18:52 |
| * trip0 starts a firestorm | 18:53 | |
| fjrivash | me too! | 18:56 |
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| phamtuanchip | i am new bee | 19:00 |
| phamtuanchip | hi all | 19:00 |
| trip0 | hi new bee | 19:00 |
| phamtuanchip | anyone here using meego ? | 19:00 |
| trip0 | yes | 19:01 |
| trip0 | is there anyone here *not* using meego? | 19:01 |
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| trip0 | :P | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | not at this moment | 19:01 |
| phamtuanchip | I would like to setup it for my hp | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | i do have a meego sticker on my laptop though | 19:01 |
| w00t_ | gaah | 19:01 |
| * w00t_ wanted a sticker :P | 19:01 | |
| phamtuanchip | hp dv200 | 19:02 |
| phamtuanchip | is it posible ? | 19:03 |
| phamtuanchip | i am downloading image from torrent :( sad because from meego site always broken | 19:03 |
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| odin_ | is the community OBS any closer to takeoff ? | 19:23 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 19:29 |
| Andy80 | what filesystem do you suggest me when I install Meego on a netbook with a normal harddisk (not a solid state one): BTRFS or Ext3? | 19:29 |
| RST38h | ext3 | 19:30 |
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| dneary | Hi all | 19:30 |
| dneary | slaine, Ping? | 19:30 |
| slaine | hey | 19:31 |
| Andy80 | let me say that MeeGo installer is as stupid as a banana! | 19:33 |
| trip0 | mmm... banana | 19:33 |
| Andy80 | first it bothers because I choose ext3 and it's not the preferred one. Ok, I switch to btrfs and the it bothers again because bootable partitions cannot stay on btrfs! WTF!!! | 19:34 |
| trip0 | Andy80, btrfs is pretty fast on a normal hdd | 19:34 |
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| Andy80 | trip0: yes, but you canno use it for a boot partition | 19:34 |
| trip0 | use ext2 | 19:35 |
| trip0 | for boot | 19:35 |
| trip0 | it's probably related to grub not proplerly supporting btrfs or something | 19:35 |
| Andy80 | trip0: naa... it's just for testing... I already have Ubuntu on this netbook, I'll go for a single / partition that will contain all | 19:35 |
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| Andy80 | fantastic.... now, at the end of installation, it's locked on "Installing bootloader..." -.- | 19:42 |
| Andy80 | alla the QA team has been fired up since a long time or what?! | 19:43 |
| RST38h | You are not supposed to install it | 19:44 |
| RST38h | Unless you are Intel or Nokia employee =)~ | 19:45 |
| Andy80 | -.- | 19:45 |
| * RST38h laughs satanically | 19:45 | |
| RST38h | It is probably stuck overwriting your MBR ;) | 19:45 |
| trip0 | :S | 19:45 |
| Andy80 | I'll wait other 2-3 minutes the I hope to be able to remove this shit from my netbook | 19:45 |
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| Andy80 | consider that I've a model officially SUPPORTED! | 19:46 |
| Andy80 | what if I had installed it on a unsupported model?? | 19:46 |
| RST38h | It would be unsupported then? | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | Andy80: be a good citizen, file a bug. | 19:47 |
| Stskeeps | or two. or four. | 19:47 |
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| Andy80 | luckly my MBR wasn't touched | 19:48 |
| Andy80 | I'll remove this and restore my partition | 19:48 |
| Andy80 | or maybe I could use the Ubuntu grub to add another OS | 19:48 |
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| GAN900 | MeeGo -- Making the Maemo Community mad every day. | 19:57 |
| * GAN900 hopes for a fix. | 19:57 | |
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| w00t_ | GAN900: Fixed In <the next release> | 19:59 |
| GAN900 | I wish I had a good answer for what needs to change | 20:00 |
| GAN900 | I think actually seeking to engage the Maemo Community would've helped | 20:00 |
| GAN900 | Rather than ignoring or putting out stop motion | 20:00 |
| Andy80 | I don't know how Ubuntu was able to boot again, but MeeGo deleted my /boot/grub/menu.lst -.- | 20:01 |
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| digitalsurgeon | so GAN900 are you still mad ? | 20:02 |
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| w00t_ | digitalsurgeon: btw, see meego-community ML.. since you're one of the developer engagement volunteers iirc :) | 20:03 |
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| DawnFoster | w00t_ July 5 is a holiday in the US for most people (developer engagement meeting) | 20:07 |
| DawnFoster | just FYI | 20:08 |
| w00t_ | DawnFoster: argh. jul 6 is bad because of the CO meet.. I'd really like to do it *before* the next CO meet too, but next week I think is going to be a waste of time | 20:08 |
| DawnFoster | you can still do it on July 5 if most people can make it | 20:08 |
| DawnFoster | not sure how many people from the US will participate (it's an Intel holiday, but some people might be available) | 20:08 |
| w00t_ | yeah, I think it will *probably* be ok.. but we'll see | 20:09 |
| w00t_ | still, annoying | 20:09 |
| GAN900 | digitalsurgeon, mad? No. | 20:09 |
| DawnFoster | if most of the participants are Europe - go for it. The lazy americans on holiday can catch up with the minutes ;) | 20:09 |
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| GAN900 | digitalsurgeon, dissappointed and burnt out, a bit. | 20:10 |
| Andy80 | Stskeeps: maybe I understand the problem: MeeGo installed doesn't support Grub2 which is used by Ubuntu > 9.10 | 20:14 |
| RST38h | Install MSDOS and boot using bootlin from there? =) | 20:14 |
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| Andy80 | taa-daaaaa :) a simple update-grub fixed all :P | 20:15 |
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| mixaz | hi all, I downloaded latest meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img, created a boot flash, but can't buut on eeepc 901 with error "reboot and select proper boot device". The USB drive selected in bios OK. What can be wrong? | 20:17 |
| mixaz | I followed http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks | 20:17 |
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| luist_ | hey... in garage_data.xml can i specify more than 1 package to install/remove? my problem is that when i remove the application that i installed, it keeps all the deps it installed, which is giving me problems so i want to specify the deps to remove them too | 20:21 |
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| Andy80 | just for curiosity... how do I change the audio volume? | 20:37 |
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| trip0 | Andy80, you can change the audio volume by cupping your hands over your ears | 20:42 |
| trip0 | in such a way that it muffles the sounds | 20:43 |
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| ShadowJK | it's ... intuitive! | 20:45 |
| trip0 | and it doesn't break when pulseaudio updates | 20:46 |
| thiago_home | lol | 20:46 |
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| Andy80 | is it possible that there aren't any updates since the first release? | 20:49 |
| Andy80 | I tried a couple of times... | 20:49 |
| thiago_home | of what? | 20:49 |
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| tehdely | hi, just playing with meego v1.0 on my netbook | 21:15 |
| tehdely | it's got a 1024x576 screen and unfortunately some dialogs go below the bottom | 21:15 |
| tehdely | does the wm have any way to alt-drag a window and move it using something other than its titlebar? | 21:15 |
| tehdely | so i can move windows up and get to what's at the bottom | 21:15 |
| tehdely | which is usually an 'OK' or 'Apply' button? | 21:15 |
| auke | file a bugzilla :) | 21:15 |
| auke | no, I don't think there is such a combo | 21:15 |
| tehdely | before i file a bug report or feature request, i want to make sure what i want is not already implemented | 21:16 |
| tehdely | to avoid embarrassment, of course :) | 21:16 |
| tehdely | what's the main locus of development | 21:16 |
| tehdely | is there a mailing list everyone's on? | 21:16 |
| tehdely | or is it very scattered among 27343 different places | 21:16 |
| tehdely | i haven't participated in any OSS dev in quite a while | 21:16 |
| tehdely | gotta learn git, too :) | 21:16 |
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| thiago_home | 1024x576? what kind of manufacturer decided to have a screen less than 640 pixels tall? | 21:17 |
| tehdely | plenty did | 21:17 |
| tehdely | lots of 10" netbooks have that reso | 21:17 |
| thiago_home | rather, less than 600 (from 800x600 times) | 21:17 |
| tehdely | mine is an HP Mini 1000 | 21:17 |
| tehdely | hardly a rare machine | 21:17 |
| gaveen | tehdely, http://meego.com/community/mailing-lists | 21:18 |
| DawnFoster | tehdely: were using the forums for user level questions about installation and usage bugs;: http://meego.com/community | 21:18 |
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| DawnFoster | mailing lists are more for people doing development on the platform | 21:18 |
| DawnFoster | whichever is most appropriate | 21:18 |
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| tehdely | what do most people use as a MeeGo dev environment? | 21:32 |
| tehdely | do you usually develop MeeGo on MeeGo? | 21:33 |
| * Aard uses debian | 21:33 | |
| tehdely | is MeeGo debian-based? i noticed that it uses RPM for its pkg system | 21:34 |
| Stskeeps | no, it's rpm based, mostly it's own distribution :) | 21:34 |
| Aard | no | 21:34 |
| tehdely | do you work within a chroot like these instrux? http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment | 21:35 |
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| Aard | no, working with obs | 21:37 |
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| tehdely | hmmf | 21:51 |
| tehdely | appears it has not recognized my wifi card | 21:51 |
| fjrivash | how can I create a meego arm rootfs? http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Creating_ARM_image_using_MeeGo_Image_Creator | 21:52 |
| KiMeNe | tükçe bilen varmý aranýzda millet | 21:52 |
| KiMeNe | ? | 21:52 |
| fjrivash | do I need to create a raw image? | 21:52 |
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| thiago_home | KiMeNe: please speak English and use UTF-8 | 22:01 |
| KiMeNe | thiago_home ? | 22:01 |
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| tehdely | what is the way to reboot Meego using the interface? | 22:05 |
| tehdely | also is there a kbd shortcut to switch zones | 22:06 |
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| dl9pf_ | tehdely: try the power button | 22:12 |
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