IRC log of #meego for Saturday, 2010-06-19

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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:05
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CosmoHillcyas oh damn he's gone00:06
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CosmoHillthiago_home: that link useful?00:08
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CosmoHillhey DawnFoster00:13
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CosmoHillI wrote a little guide to compiling Qt on mac00:14
CosmoHillit needs improving but it's something00:14
lcukCosmoHill, great!00:14
CosmoHill:D00:14
lcukare you drinking tonight in light of england ummmm00:15
CosmoHillnope00:15
CosmoHillI'm not following the football00:15
lcukhard not to really00:15
lcukmood of country changes based on matches00:15
CosmoHillI've been indoors all day00:15
CosmoHilllazying about and taking a break from hayfever pills00:16
lcukso have i but i would still know00:16
CosmoHillsomeone said we drew00:16
lcukeugh hayfever is ftl00:16
CosmoHillI need to get some fizzy drinks, they help00:16
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CosmoHillif someone reminds me to update ir or has suggestions that will be good00:25
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vgradelcuk, I'll need a few drinks after that match00:49
zsanyone knows where $PATH is defined in meego?00:53
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CosmoHillzs: what is the $PATH?00:53
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zsCosmoHill: echo $PATH00:54
CosmoHillcan you give me the output00:54
zs /usr/lib/qt4/bin:/usr/local/sbin:/usr/local/bin:/sbin:/bin:/usr/sbin:/usr/bin:/root/bin00:54
CosmoHilltry /etc/profile00:55
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brokendatapointhi01:21
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brokendatapointdoes anyone chat here or just come and go?01:56
w00t_people talk, yes01:56
w00t_you're on at a bit of a bad time (friday night)01:56
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brokendatapointah right, whoops, timezone got me, i'm in NZ01:57
brokendatapointoff to buy 2 netbooks today to install Meego on, wife/me ... trying to locate a Aspire One 532H ... or 2 is hard as01:58
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AntiPudd1nghopefully with intel's money, brokendatapoint02:00
AntiPudd1ngmaybe i could run meego using the onboard gpu on morhterboard....02:02
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brokendatapointAntiPudd1ng: hopefully with intel's money => ??02:04
AntiPudd1ngyou are buying a netbook with02:05
AntiPudd1ngi like that keyboard02:07
AntiPudd1ngloud speakers are nice02:09
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brokendatapointah k, can you pugrade the AO 532H to2GB SODIMM?02:12
brokendatapointupgrade* even02:12
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AntiPudd1ngdunno02:17
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CosmoHillw00t_: could be a worse time, saturday morning02:19
w00t_CosmoHill: mm?02:20
CosmoHill(hungover)02:20
w00t_oh, I see02:20
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sirpengiintel is giving out money to buy netbooks?02:30
CosmoHillno02:30
sirpengi:(02:31
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AntiPudd1nghttp://perspectives.mvdirona.com/2009/03/17/VirtualizingGPUs.aspx  Virtualizing GPUS02:50
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CosmoHillnight night03:34
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lbtmorning all10:58
Stskeepsmorn10:59
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lbthows things?10:59
* Stskeeps is boarding flight in 10 mins10:59
lbthometime :)11:00
* lbt suggests chocolate covered dates11:00
Stskeepsjust met quim in the airport too, so that was nice - hoping they didn't miss their flight :P11:00
lbtfo Bogna11:00
Stskeepsmm, i think she'll just be happy to be home11:00
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thiago_homewhere are you going?11:00
lbtshe'll be happier with you *and* chocolate!11:00
* lbt knows11:01
th0br0morning lbt11:01
lbthi th0br011:01
Stskeepsback from helsinki towards warsaw11:01
lbtX-Fade: ping .... I can't access community OBS... no route to host from jump point11:04
Stskeepsalready in a week i'll fly to denmark.. and hopefully no travels after those weeks for a little while11:04
th0br0why hopefully?11:05
th0br0travelling is awesome11:05
lbtheh....11:05
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lbthome is awesomer11:05
Stskeepsit's tiring and home is better than out :P11:05
th0br0mh, depends on where you go and what you dot there imho :)11:05
th0br0but true, it can be11:05
lbtor what you've got when you get back ;)11:05
th0br0:D11:06
lbtaw I was hoping to share access to the OBS ...11:06
th0br0the time will come eventually.11:06
th0br0:11:06
lbtit was here...11:07
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th0br0then it will return11:11
th0br0:D11:11
Stskeepsbbl11:13
th0br0enjoy your flight11:25
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JaffaMorning, all12:52
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amjadso how do i create an account on build.meego.com for packaging apps for meego17:30
Stskeepsyou have to wait for community obs. build.meego.com is for building the meego project17:31
amjadok17:31
amjadany eta for this community obs17:32
* w00t_ is also interested17:33
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th0br0amjad: there are still some minor problems with access methinks17:33
th0br0at least lbt said sth like that earlier17:34
CosmoHillhey guys (and girls)17:34
th0br0hello CosmoHill17:35
th0br0ancients of mumu! :)17:35
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DawnFosteranyone with MeeGo 1.0 running on a netbook who wants to test my instructions for installing system updates?18:24
DawnFosterWe've fixed a ton of bugs18:25
DawnFosterbut are still testing the update process18:25
DawnFostereither everyone is asleep or there aren't any netbook users on irc this am :)18:28
* w00t_ is a netbook user18:30
w00t_but alas18:30
w00t_my netbook is in the wrong country..18:30
* espen77 is also a netbook user18:30
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DawnFosterhow could you leave your netbook in another country?18:30
w00t_DawnFoster: I'm abroad for a while18:31
DawnFosterespen77: does it have meego 1.0 on it?18:31
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TermanaDawnFoster: do you travel?18:31
espen77DawnFoster: yes18:31
* thiago_home is waiting for his netbook18:31
DawnFosterespen77: want to test my update instructions and install a round of big fixes?18:32
DawnFosterhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_Updates18:32
espen77DawnFoster: sure18:32
DawnFosterthanks!18:32
DawnFosterTermana: sometimes I travel. Not as much lately.18:32
DawnFosterMy last international trips were probably Mexico, Hong Kong & China.18:33
TermanaDawnFoster: can I ask, when you travel, do you take your house?18:33
DawnFosterTermana: Yes18:33
DawnFosterI was harassing w00t_18:33
TermanaDawnFoster: damn it ruin the joke :P18:33
w00t_hehe18:33
espen77DawnFoster: read somewhere that sudo -i was prefered over su18:34
w00t_DawnFoster: BTW let me know if I made a mistake following the agenda instructions.. it was quite late when I was dealing with that :)18:34
DawnFosterespen77: hmmm, good question on su vs. sudo -i18:35
* thiago_home receives "spam" from Dublin18:35
Stskeepsthiago_home: join the club18:36
thiago_homeoffering an authentic Irish guesthouse for guests at reduced price18:36
{Placebo}DawnFoster: this might be a stupid question ...but ...can i also update a live system that way? :)18:36
DawnFosterthaigo_home - yep18:36
thiago_homeyou guys got it too?18:36
DawnFosterseveral of us got it - she also tried to friend me on linked in18:36
DawnFosterI know that Stskeeps & I both got it - haven't asked Quim, Amy or Dirk18:37
* thiago_home presses the centre icon on his N900 mail reader18:37
thiago_homethe trash icon18:37
DawnFoster{Placebo}: I don't think that you can install updates on a live system that way18:37
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espen77DawnFoster: getting PackageKit is blocking zypper.....tell packagekit to quit (yes/no)18:38
DawnFosteryes to quit it18:38
espen77maybe should say in wiki ;)18:38
DawnFosterw00t_: Thanks for adding it to the proposed tasks and agenda for the next meeting - looks good!18:38
DawnFosterespen77: Good point18:39
w00t_DawnFoster: NP. Now I just need to try remember to be there and participate. I have a terrible memory. ;)18:39
DawnFosterwe have calendars for that sort of thing ;)18:39
w00t_hehe18:39
w00t_yes, I need to use mine more18:39
DawnFosterespen77: you got the package kit error when you tried to add the first repo, tight?18:40
DawnFosteroops, right?18:40
espen77DawnFoster: yes, not for the others18:41
DawnFosterespen77: good. I just updated the instructions.18:43
espen77DawnFoster: DawnFoster rest was exactly as it was written18:44
DawnFosterawesome, and the gui update system has kicked off your updates?18:44
espen77DawnFoster: no, it need bigger confirmation that fits to the screen18:45
DawnFosteroh no!18:45
espen77DawnFoster: can yum do it, sins you are already doing cli?18:46
DawnFosterespen77: so you can't see the install updates button and there is no scroll bar to get to it?18:46
DawnFosterwhat netbook do you have (need to file a bug)18:46
espen77DawnFoster: eee 100818:47
DawnFosterespen77: what was the last thing you could see on the bottom of the screen of the update window?18:47
espen77i can drop a screenie soewhere18:48
DawnFosterespen77: And do you have the system tray enabled?18:48
DawnFosterperfect.18:48
DawnFosteryou can email it to me or do you want to create the bug report and upload it with the bug report?18:48
DawnFosterespen77: BTW, yes you can continue to install the updates at the command line with 'zypper patch'18:50
DawnFosterespen77: You'll need to issue 'zypper patch' a couple of times, since it runs through part of the install to get dependencies then installs the rest18:51
espen77DawnFoster: http://yfrog.com/3uscreenshotjwp18:52
DawnFostergreat, thanks!18:52
espen77DawnFoster: buttons on top, or smaller fields for the boxes would fix it, or a scroll bar for the whole window18:54
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DawnFosteryeah, definitely a bug18:55
CosmoHillhey DawnFoster18:57
DawnFosterhey CosmoHill!18:57
CosmoHillI got Qt to compile on my mac from command line :)18:58
DawnFosterespen77: Looks like we're working on this bug already: http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=285618:58
DawnFosterCosmoHill: nice!18:58
espen77DawnFoster: just started playing with megoo...so havent gotten arround to learning a new bug system....used to launchpad...18:58
espen77DawnFoster: there is a "this bug apply to me to" button somewhere?18:59
DawnFosterYou can vote for it18:59
DawnFosterLittle tiny (vote) link next to importance19:00
espen77DawnFoster: thanx :)19:01
DawnFosterespen77 Did zypper patch work to get everything installed?19:01
CosmoHillDawnFoster: so if a lot of people have the same problem they can +1 it and have it pushed up the pile?19:01
espen77DawnFoster: havent gotten that far yet....didnt want to do it before we found out about this bug19:01
DawnFosterwell, it's already marked as high importance & flagged as a blocker19:02
DawnFosterso, I'd say it's pushed to the top of the pile already :)19:02
DawnFosterit's a huge issue19:02
espen77DawnFoster: patching now19:03
DawnFosterespen77: No hurry. I'm going to go back and add that to the instructions19:03
espen77deltas....how nice :)19:03
* microlith is still baffled at software -updates- requiring new package installs19:03
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espen77DawnFoster: got 3x warnings after first zypper patch (2x "failed to parse default value" and one "patch affected packet manager")19:06
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DawnFosterI assume it kept going past the warnings?19:08
espen77DawnFoster: the 2 warnings was for font size, and it said to run again after 3'rd warning..19:08
SaziusI got the same warnings, but they don't seem to be serious. Now running patch again as it said...19:10
SaziusI'm also following the update instructions on my netbook MeeGo on my Eee PC 901...19:10
DawnFosterSazius, great! Thanks for helping test the instructions.19:12
DawnFosterI just made a few updates to add the patch command and a note about the warnings: http://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_1.0_Netbook_Updates19:12
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espen77DawnFoster: only one warning after secound patching "saying to reboot"19:22
DawnFosterespen77: good - that's what you should be seeing19:23
espen77DawnFoster: just reporting everything....that was it....nothing to do for a 3'rd run.19:25
DawnFostergreat!19:26
DawnFosterI've been really happy with a lot of the updates - it fixed a few things that had been annoying me.19:27
* CosmoHill is watching a car chase between a flat bed lorry and a herse 19:27
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* Jaffa ponders whether to spend ages reporting loads of MeeGo 1.0 Netbook bugs (probably already there); play with Qt on MeeGo/Linux/Maemo or spend time with littlest and wait for Doctor Who.19:27
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Stskeepswhy not do all of them? ;)19:28
th0br0Jaffa: teach your littlest how to find meego 1.0 netbook bugs19:28
th0br0in the meantime, you'll report them19:28
th0br0and you both wait for doctor who?19:28
espen77DawnFoster: "http://www.linuxscrew.com/2007/10/11/why-use-sudo-instead-of-su/"19:30
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GAN900Jaffa, last.19:31
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th0br0Given that most linux installations are single user ones, i don't see the need for sudo tbh19:32
espen77th0br0: running as root is bad....19:33
th0br0you never have to run as root19:33
DawnFosterth0br0 / espen77: yeah, when I was a sys admin for boxes doing real stuff, I was a big fan of sudo - on single user netbooks, it's less of an issue19:33
th0br0but as in most cases you know the root password anyway, why not use it...19:33
th0br0yep DawnFoster19:33
th0br0you definitely have to differentiate there, but yah...19:33
espen77if you run as user and use su you tend to sometimes run commands not requiering root access as root to...while sudo is issued per command needing root19:36
th0br0sudo is an unlimited count of characters more than just running a simple su -19:36
th0br0s/unlimited count/uncountable amount/19:36
infobotth0br0 meant: sudo is an uncountable amount of characters more than just running a simple su -19:36
* Stskeeps makes a note to himself his wife looks really good in a MeeGo tshirt19:40
Stskeeps+that19:40
th0br0there are MeeGo tshirts already o.O19:41
th0br0?19:41
CosmoHillI need to do something about script kiddies19:43
thiago_homeyeah19:43
* thiago_home got two in the OSTS19:43
thiago_homesome people got them in the collab summit19:43
th0br0OSTS?19:43
thiago_homeDawnFoster: do you know if any are being shipped to Akademy, in two weeks?19:43
* w00t_ demands a tshirt :<19:43
CosmoHillare they like stickers, do you have to turn up to a sumit to get them?19:43
DawnFosterWe're making more shirts / stickers soon19:43
th0br0ah cool ;)19:43
thiago_hometh0br0: internal Intel meeting that lots of Nokians were invited to19:43
DawnFosterDoubt we'll have any at Akademy19:43
th0br0ah ok thiago_home19:44
CosmoHillif I hada sticker I'd put it on my powerbook and confuse people19:44
Stskeepsdesigns look really nice at least, kudos for the people who made them19:44
th0br0aht are the final dates for the conference btw?19:44
DawnFosterThe meego confence should have shirts19:44
DawnFosterNov 15 − 1919:44
GAN900w00t_, got one medium. $100 USD? :P19:44
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DawnFosterhttp://wiki.meego.com/MeeGo_Conference_201019:44
DawnFosteroops, 15 − 17 (typo)19:44
thiago_homethat's too far away :-)19:44
th0br0mhk... too bad that it's during the week :(19:45
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th0br0don't think i'll be able to come.19:45
w00t_GAN900: that's annoyingly tempting.19:45
CosmoHillhttp://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/450557603219:46
CosmoHilllooks good19:46
GAN900w00t_, ahaha19:46
GAN900Only worn once!19:46
GAN900I've also got an XL Fixed in Fremantle shirt.19:47
w00t_I'd not be able to wear that really, I wasn't around much pre-F19:47
w00t_we should come up with a new '<strike>Maemo</strike>MeeGo is Open' design19:47
th0br0:D19:49
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GAN900w00t_, somebody needs to get timsamoff's enthusiasm level up again, then.19:54
Jaffath0br0: I use Ubuntu Netbook Remix with different users for me, my wife and eldest.19:55
RST38hThere are way better ideas for Meego tshirt designs...19:57
GAN900RST38h, such as?19:57
RST38ha moment19:57
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RST38hHere is a good MeeGo mascot: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mi-go19:58
th0br0huh, lovecraft19:59
RST38hAlso, refer to this image: http://www.hamsterizer.com/Art/images/Items/MiGo01b.jpg20:00
RST38hHere you can see the frontend, also known as UI, supplied by Nokia20:00
RST38hYes, it is pink.20:00
RST38hThe backend is obviously supplied by Intel, as evidenced by its age and the number of callouses20:01
RST38hSharp parts have been borrowed from RedHat.20:02
w00t_GAN900: *g*20:03
th0br0:D20:05
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CosmoHillredhat you say20:07
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th0br0of course, CosmoHill...20:14
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CosmoHillIs Poulsbo the evil graphics processor?20:17
RST38hPoulsbo is not a graphics processor20:17
CosmoHillbut it is evil?20:18
RST38hIt is a netbook south cluster20:18
RST38hOf course it is evil.20:18
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CosmoHillhttp://www.archos.com/products/nb/archos_10/specs.html?country=gb&lang=en << looks meego compatable20:29
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CosmoHillplus I have work experience at uni with computers and cisco gear20:33
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th0br0 didn't know that archos doing netbooks now, too20:41
RST38hthey have done at least one20:41
th0br0mh20:41
th0br0there are betters out there than the one CosmoHill just posted though20:41
th0br0s/betters/better ones/20:41
infobotth0br0 meant: there are better ones out there than the one CosmoHill just posted though20:41
th0br0... my english sucks today.20:41
CosmoHillmeh, mine sucks most of the time20:42
CosmoHilloo that reminds me, I got 84% for a 1300 word essay I did over the weekend :D20:42
th0br0gosh, why are they honking... there isn't even any game going on right now20:44
CosmoHillI'm gonna see if I can get a button to do something in Qt20:44
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smokuI'm trying to build image, but:22:04
smokuError: failed to create image : URLGrabber error: [Errno 14] HTTP Error 404 : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/repodata/repomd.xml : http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/arm/os/repodata/repomd.xml22:04
smokuis it temporary?22:04
Stskeepsno, they moved around the URLs after codedrop22:06
Stskeepswe're working on a 1.0 closed image still, facing some problems with BME22:06
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gourwill handhel ui appear this month?22:08
Stskeepshopefully22:10
smokuStskeeps: does that mean, that MeeGo development is now closed?22:11
Stskeepssmoku: no22:11
Stskeepssmoku: it is still there but under a different repo url22:11
Stskeepssec22:11
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Stskeepshttp://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/0.9/0.9.80.3.20100518.1/core/repos/armv5tjel/packages/22:12
smokuStskeeps: is there a .ks for this?22:13
Stskeepsno, just edit yours22:13
gouris it possible that app written for netbook ui could work (although not having optimal interface) by just compiling for handhel ui, or is there some 'common denominator' in qt to have same codebase working on desktop/netbook/handheld?22:13
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smokuStskeeps: it's running now. thanks :)22:18
Stskeepsnp22:19
smokuso, now I have to relearn writing SPECs :/22:22
Stskeepssaw my hildon port?22:24
smokuno22:24
Stskeepshrm, sec22:24
Stskeepshttp://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-June/003201.html22:25
Stskeepswould love someone following up on that.. at least that's a basis22:25
smokucount me in22:25
smokuI just ordered XT720 :)22:25
Stskeepsi don't plan on doing anything further with it, but wouldn't mind seeing some work around it22:25
smokui'm subscribed to meego-dev, but there's so much noise there I don't have strength to follow22:26
lcukgour, baseline qt is buildable on each of the platforms, however its the UX of your app that will make the difference to usability.22:27
lcukand obviously the devices have dfferent capabilities22:28
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smokudoes anyone know what's wrong? http://pastebin.com/aGtdXcGi22:32
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gourlcuk: my intention is to write desktop app and 'lite' & portable version for handheld, i.e. not trying to target netbook...in that case i wouldn't need to buy netbook device, but just using desktop for development and testing app via simulator until there will be some new meego device or successor to n90022:37
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thiago_homethere will be22:37
* thiago_home has been playing with it in the office22:38
TSCHAKeee2thiago_home: :PPPP22:38
thiago_homethey finally sent us some batteries22:38
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thiago_homeit was lying in a drawer for two weeks22:39
w00t_lol22:39
TSCHAKeee2welcome to the corporate world... where the left hand isn't talking to the right hand, because the left hand is busy jacking off. :P22:39
gourthiago_home: this year?22:39
thiago_homegour: you know better than to ask that :-)22:40
ljptoo bad there's a chain connecting it to the frame of the building22:40
TSCHAKeee2says the man baiting the people in the channel22:40
TSCHAKeee2:P22:40
gourthiago_home: not until we see handhel ui released :-D22:40
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lcukeep battery finally died22:41
fengshaunis thejoojooforum.com down?22:41
fengshaunoops, wrong channel!22:42
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smokuError: Please specify main repo name using --mainrepo option.22:53
smoku?22:53
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smokuno wonder moblin/meego has so low traction22:57
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smokuone has to be VERY determined even to build a default image22:57
smokuwith this mic python crap :/22:58
Stskeepsmic2 is .. interesting22:58
Stskeepsand i tend to agree22:58
smokulooking forward to OBS hurdles :/22:58
smokui'm giving it another half of ballantine's23:00
Stskeepswhat OS are you running  mic2 on?23:01
smokuArch Linux23:02
smokuis there a log of what it tried to do?23:02
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smokupython is so nice.  I added prints to debug the problem, and... no output. only the error line changed23:04
Stskeepsheh23:05
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brokendatapointhi y'all, just about to download Meego ... which version is better for user experience and extension? Meego Chrome version or Meego ordinary version?23:43
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brokendatapointi'll get them both, then install one and see if i like it.23:48
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