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| vgrade | i did not say I had it working :) | 00:03 |
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| vgrade | link here , http://www.jogglerwiki.info/index.php?title=MeeGo | 00:03 |
| vgrade | once we have the emgd userspace driver to match the kernel driver maybe we can get a bit further | 00:04 |
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| messerting | What about the Openmoko Freerunner? (hahaha) | 00:07 |
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| summel | ewww | 00:09 |
| summel | that was one ugly phone | 00:09 |
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| lbt | vgrade: brilliant! | 00:14 |
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| vgrade | lbt, as I mention in the wiki, thanks to stskeeps | 00:30 |
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| lbt | vgrade: always lots of contributions :) | 00:38 |
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| lbt | vgrade: are you essentially running MeeGo on the Joggler now? | 00:39 |
| vgrade | yes but its not really useable as you can see from the video | 00:41 |
| lbt | just slow? | 00:41 |
| vgrade | no not really check out the transitions as I move my finger over the icons | 00:42 |
| lbt | only some work | 00:42 |
| lbt | ? | 00:42 |
| lbt | it's hard to tell - I've never seen MeeGo in the flesh | 00:42 |
| vgrade | the IEGD driver is not rendering the GL correctly so I have blocks where text should be and the GL panels are not rendering | 00:42 |
| lbt | and there's a lot of flashing on the video that looks like camera auto-exposure problems | 00:43 |
| lbt | oh, right | 00:43 |
| vgrade | need to wait fot the new EMGD driver to make any more progress I think | 00:43 |
| lbt | OK - but now we can start to play with the drivers ... | 00:43 |
| vgrade | yes flashing is my Nexus 1 camera | 00:44 |
| lbt | so is that iegd and 1.6 ? | 00:44 |
| lbt | xorg1.6 | 00:44 |
| vgrade | correct, see the ks file on the wiki | 00:44 |
| lbt | yup - just checking :) | 00:44 |
| vgrade | do you have a joggler? | 00:45 |
| lbt | 3 | 00:45 |
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| vgrade | perfect cheap dev platform for meego | 00:46 |
| vgrade | touch too | 00:46 |
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| lbt | well, you'd think they'd be perfect since they use Intel graphics ;) | 00:46 |
| vgrade | do you have your OBS hw yet? | 00:47 |
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| lbt | not yet... but we have ssl certs and an IP for the beta-test | 00:47 |
| vgrade | are you looking for testers? | 00:49 |
| vgrade | or will that be closed intel | 00:50 |
| vgrade | :) | 00:50 |
| lbt | yes and no | 00:50 |
| vgrade | ok | 00:50 |
| lbt | are you around tomorrow? | 00:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | :D | 00:53 |
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| lbt | yeah - you too | 00:54 |
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| TSCHAKeee2 | cool, and yes. | 00:58 |
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| vgrade | lbt, talk later | 01:15 |
| lbt | nag me re OBS | 01:15 |
| vgrade | ok | 01:16 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: pingy... did you ever read this blog post : http://achipa.blogspot.com/2010/03/harmattan-last-of-maemos-or-first-of.html | 01:20 |
| DawnFoster | lbt: I skimmed it | 01:21 |
| DawnFoster | quim is more involved in the harmattan side | 01:22 |
| lbt | just kinda made me thing about how the maemo community needs to be eased into a meego world | 01:22 |
| lbt | I just keep hitting things that draw sharp lines between maemo/meego | 01:23 |
| DawnFoster | agreed - I'm really relying on quim to help people with that transition | 01:23 |
| lbt | and I guess that post helps me realise why I don't like that | 01:23 |
| DawnFoster | I've been pretty swamped with netbook questions lately | 01:23 |
| lbt | *nod* | 01:23 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 01:23 |
| lbt | we're about to start opening the community OBS up for beta | 01:24 |
| lbt | invited users etc | 01:24 |
| DawnFoster | nice! | 01:24 |
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| DawnFoster | is the hardware at OSU already? | 01:24 |
| DawnFoster | or are you running the beta elsewhere? | 01:25 |
| lbt | at maemo.org | 01:25 |
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| lbt | 8 cpu box iirc | 01:25 |
| lbt | or 16 | 01:25 |
| lbt | my main thing is that we're still keeping the maemo instance separate from the meego instance | 01:25 |
| DawnFoster | I agree with the transition - Moblin and Maemo operated very differently & a lot of people are having a hard time with the transition, I think | 01:25 |
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| lbt | I guess the thing is ... does MeeGo *want* the maemo community :) | 01:26 |
| DawnFoster | absolutely | 01:26 |
| lbt | oh, they want the people | 01:27 |
| CosmoHill | 191 days 1 minutes | 01:27 |
| lbt | they/we :) | 01:27 |
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| lbt | but the-maemo-way | 01:27 |
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| CosmoHill | my server uptime :) | 01:28 |
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| lbt | anyhow DawnFoster, I just read that and thought of you ... :) | 01:28 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 01:29 |
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| CosmoHill | f**k, I got 64% on my exam | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | and the remote's just gone down the side of my bed | 01:36 |
| CosmoHill | s/remote/phone | 01:36 |
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| raffa | Hi is there a way to try MeeGo on my desktop machine? It has an NVidia motherboard with integrated graphics adapter... I burned the img, the kernel boots, but then there is no X.. Just a blinking cursor.. | 01:43 |
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| CosmoHill | you don't be able to get the GUI working | 01:44 |
| CosmoHill | you can try command line by replacing "quiet" with "3" by pressing tab on the bootloader | 01:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | people just don't read, do they? | 01:45 |
| CosmoHill | TSCHAKeee2: hahah, you're expecting to much | 01:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | yeah, silly me | 01:45 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | ;) | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | I've left this on LFS | 01:46 |
| raffa | CosmoHill: so if I try "3" | 01:46 |
| raffa | on grub it should starts a gui? | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | it will boot into init level 3 | 01:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | wow | 01:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | raffa: dude | 01:46 |
| raffa | oh | 01:46 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | raffa: you're an idiot | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | raffa: no, you will not get any GUI at all | 01:46 |
| raffa | and no gui at all? | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | no | 01:46 |
| CosmoHill | you have an nvidia graphics card | 01:46 |
| raffa | TSCHAKeee2??????? | 01:47 |
| raffa | cosmohill, ok thanx | 01:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | raffa: MeeGo only currently supports the GMA 9xx GPU. | 01:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | raffa: you heard me. | 01:47 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | raffa: shame on you for not reading the instructions. | 01:47 |
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| raffa | tschakeee2: I didn't found it.. Anyway I think you are a bit too aggressive... maybe you should try find a girlfriend ;) it can help quite lot | 01:48 |
| * TSCHAKeee2 shakes his head. | 01:49 | |
| TSCHAKeee2 | people do not know how to read. | 01:49 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | would you like me to point it out, so you look even more like an ass? | 01:49 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I got 66% overall for c++ | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | I should be a lot happier than I feel | 01:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | raffa: http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 01:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | raffa: System Requirements | 01:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | CPU: Intel Atom or Intel Core 2 CPU (support for SSSE3) | 01:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Note: MeeGo will not work on non-SSSE3 CPUs | 01:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Platforms with the GMA-500, Nvidia, or ATI Graphics chipset are not supported. | 01:51 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | Tested netbook and nettop platforms | 01:51 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, lol | 01:53 |
| lcuk | is that a pass tho | 01:53 |
| TSCHAKeee2 | and this is even AFTER CosmoHill telling you, that you will only get command line, and no GUI. | 01:53 |
| raffa | tschakeee2, i read this one http://meego.com/downloads/releases/1.0/meego-v1.0-netbooks-google-chrome-browser anyway I think there's no real need to behave that way... | 01:53 |
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| CosmoHill | on the plus side I beat simon by 10%, he won't be happy | 01:54 |
| CosmoHill | and that makes me happy :) | 01:54 |
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| CosmoHill | if i'm honest I'm pretty happy using meego in command line mode | 02:02 |
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| Spidler | I found that the thing that really bummed me when I got on the train was that I lacked the python documentation in the default installation :) | 02:03 |
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| kylepotts | is there a way to install meego to hdd? | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | when it boots you are given 3 options | 02:29 |
| CosmoHill | the middle one is "install", select that | 02:29 |
| kylepotts | wow im a morn :/ I saw that but didnt think about it | 02:30 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm assuming the live image works? | 02:30 |
| kylepotts | CosmoHill: Yea works fine, had to tinker with it a buy yep | 02:31 |
| kylepotts | I am on a dell mini 10v, what is the root password... | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | "meego" | 02:31 |
| kylepotts | thanks | 02:31 |
| kylepotts | are you a dev? | 02:31 |
| CosmoHill | nope | 02:32 |
| kylepotts | seems good to me, nice that it uses yum. Anychance that apt could be ported? | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | actually meego uses zypper | 02:33 |
| CosmoHill | I'd advising using one of the other as both might be confusing / messy | 02:33 |
| kylepotts | zypper? | 02:33 |
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| CosmoHill | yeah type it in the command | 02:34 |
| kylepotts | I see its from opensuse. I am personally a fan of pacman from Arch. I am familar with apt and yum. No clue for zipper | 02:35 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm a little family with rpm5 from playing and apt from debain / ubuntu | 02:35 |
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| kylepotts | I did an image of my previous Arch install with clonezilla before this lol | 02:37 |
| CosmoHill | clonezilla? sounds interesting | 02:37 |
| kylepotts | just pretty much an interface with partclone and dd, in a live cd | 02:38 |
| Spidler | Hmm. did anyone build .src.rpm's for gstreamer-plugins-ugly/ ffmpeg and similar? I really do miss videodecoding | 02:38 |
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| Stskeeps | good morning | 07:58 |
| dl9pf | moin moin | 08:00 |
| Erkan_Yilmaz_ | Grüss' Gott | 08:04 |
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| koupsaa | morning | 09:54 |
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| koupsaa | chrome make me crazy . so slow... moblin was fine! why f... google | 09:58 |
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| koupsaa | i shut off chrome yesterday and today first run and it's open all tab from yesterday | 10:00 |
| koupsaa | every day like that | 10:01 |
| koupsaa | chrome can't open like the first time? | 10:01 |
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| koupsaa | even internet explorer is better | 10:02 |
| koupsaa | pff | 10:02 |
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| pxchen_ | Meego Tablets use which UI framework? | 10:03 |
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| poutsi | koupsaa, there's a setting for that, it's like the first thing in the settings dialog even | 10:25 |
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| koupsaa | poutsi, thanks . sorry i m silly guy. i must drinking a cafe | 10:59 |
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| pvdm | I am testing meego 1.0 on my MSI wind 100/Medion akoya and I am finding some issues. Is there some kind of bugzilla site for meego? | 11:03 |
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| tekojo | pvdm: the usual suspect, bugs.meego.com | 11:03 |
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| pvdm | tekojo: tx. So far it shows great promise | 11:04 |
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| Shapeshifter | meego will use matchbox for the handheld UX, right? | 12:43 |
| Stskeeps | afaik matchbox is dead in qt based ux from nokia, at least | 12:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i guess noone's stopping you from using it though | 12:44 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 12:44 |
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| Mirv | I'm using matchbox on my Neo simply for managing the full-screeniness of windows. chopped off all the actual theme parts of the theme. | 12:45 |
| pupnik_ | new Knots2 multimedia streaming package in testing. try it and vote! | 12:46 |
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| pupnik_ | oops | 12:47 |
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| Shapeshifter | Stskeeps: and idea what WM it will use? | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | dunno | 13:06 |
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| vgrade_ | lbt, OBS ping | 14:17 |
| lbt | :) | 14:17 |
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| vgrade_ | lbt, ping me back when your free | 14:20 |
| lbt | I'm just discussing what we need to do | 14:20 |
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| lucazade | vgrade_ any updates on emgd? now we get a working psb on lucid (both 2d and 3D) | 14:22 |
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| vgrade_ | lucazade, no progress on emgd still waiting for the userspace driver :) | 14:24 |
| vgrade_ | is psb working with X 1.7 or 1.8? | 14:25 |
| lucazade | 1.7 | 14:25 |
| lucazade | not tested with 1.8 yet | 14:25 |
| vgrade_ | cool, meego has 1.8 | 14:25 |
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| vgrade_ | what hw are you testing on? | 14:26 |
| lucazade | next ubuntu release will probable have 1.9.. | 14:26 |
| lucazade | on acer751h | 14:26 |
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| vgrade_ | lucazade, do you have a link to the process? | 14:36 |
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| lucazade | vgrade ppa and bzr repository: https://launchpad.net/~gma500/+archive/ppa?field.series_filter=lucid | 14:39 |
| lucazade | this patch to xorg 1.7.6 still needs to be applied in the ppa (fix 3d) http://code.google.com/p/gma500/issues/detail?id=21&can=1 | 14:40 |
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| lucazade | here you can find latest psb news http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1229345&page=106&highlight=gma500 | 14:42 |
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| vgrade_ | thanks | 14:52 |
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| pvdm | is there a location where you can download the unstable/testing/developer release (that would be 1.1 ) for testing purposes? | 15:00 |
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| RST38h | Anyone here used OpenGLES? | 15:01 |
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| pvdm | or maybe a daily build? | 15:04 |
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| lucazade | pvdm: there are not testing release... in perfect intel style | 15:06 |
| pvdm | moblin had beta's | 15:09 |
| linuxplatform | will there be 64-bits Meego version in future? | 15:10 |
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| linuxplatform | i'm using Meego on my living room mini pc connected to LCD, works perfect | 15:11 |
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| linuxplatform | installed Skype, but couldn't get my mic part of USB cam-with-mic to work | 15:11 |
| linuxplatform | i guess i'll have to check settings in pulseaudio | 15:12 |
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| linuxplatform | is pavucontrol or other audio mixer in Meego? | 15:23 |
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| vgrade_ | pvdm, at some stage in this open delelopment project I expect we will have open access to unstable/testing/daily builds/OBS | 15:34 |
| vgrade_ | pvdm, if we don't its not open :) | 15:34 |
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| FunkyPenguin | ok im going to ask again - could someone point me to the source tarballs please for the netbook ui? | 15:36 |
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| FunkyPenguin | i would like to package them for openSUSE | 15:36 |
| FunkyPenguin | if im not mistaken it's a bit of a license breach not to provide them | 15:37 |
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| Stskeeps | uh, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/netbook/repos/source/ | 15:43 |
| th0br0 | huh? | 15:44 |
| th0br0 | why should it be a license breach if they are not porvided for openSUSE FunkyPenguin? | 15:44 |
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| FunkyPenguin | th0br0, im not concerned that they arent provided for opensuse, but the fact they arent provided for *all* | 15:45 |
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| th0br0 | they are provided for all ? | 15:45 |
| th0br0 | the srpms are there for everyone to take | 15:45 |
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| FunkyPenguin | so the only place to get the tarballs is from the srpms? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | yes, naturally? | 15:46 |
| Stskeeps | just like in opensuse if you look aside from obs | 15:46 |
| FunkyPenguin | Stskeeps, naturally would be to have the tar.gz/tar.bz available | 15:46 |
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| Stskeeps | srpms contain the targz's :P | 15:47 |
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| FunkyPenguin | Stskeeps, yes but why not have the tarballs available like in ftp://ftp.gnome.org/pub/GNOME/sources/ | 15:48 |
| FunkyPenguin | having to download unpack and remove the cruft is just time consuming | 15:49 |
| Stskeeps | well, meego is a distribution.. | 15:49 |
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| Stskeeps | the sources are in gitorious too i believe | 15:49 |
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| townxelliot | FunkyPenguin: meego netbook UI sources are in gitorious: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-netbook-ux; you can get a tarballs off the branches (not dist tarballs, though); however, you may be better off getting the src rpms, as they will include patches applied by OBS (possible but not likely for MeeGo-specific projects, more likely for upstream projects used in MeeGo) | 16:04 |
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| FunkyPenguin | townxelliot, ok thanks - im on repo.meego.com already pulling some down | 16:05 |
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| balor | Is GMA 500 support expected in Meego? (apologies for asking a similar question to yesterday, but I'm in a bind) | 16:12 |
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| X-Fade | balor: I guess that would be a 3rd party/community effort. | 16:13 |
| balor | X-Fade: So given that there's no support in Fedora 13 or Ubuntu Lucid, we can take that as a "no"? | 16:14 |
| X-Fade | Well, there is no free driver. | 16:15 |
| balor | Yeah. I've been reading. It's one hell of a mess :( | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | But a closed one can probably be made to work, but I'm pretty sure MeeGo won't ship it. | 16:15 |
| balor | The closed one doesn't work against a modern Xorg as shipped by anyone in the last year | 16:15 |
| X-Fade | And that, yes ;) | 16:16 |
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| X-Fade | SGX and broadcom chips, both a pain. | 16:17 |
| X-Fade | Very common in netbooks unfortunately. | 16:17 |
| balor | hmm....maybe the SuSE guys and gals ship working GMA 500... | 16:18 |
| pcutler | balor: we're not | 16:19 |
| balor | pcutler: Thanks for the info | 16:19 |
| balor | X-Fade: You too. Thanks for the info | 16:20 |
| X-Fade | balor: Looking for a good netbook too atm, so I notice these issues while shopping. | 16:21 |
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| balor | X-Fade: I've been happy with Atom branded stuff. We just made a mistake when we bought a few GMA 500 based netbooks for research. | 16:22 |
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| balor | X-Fade: So Atom - Poulsbo == Good. Atom + Poulsbo == Paperweight. | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Hehe, yeah. | 16:23 |
| lcuk | so sad | 16:23 |
| X-Fade | Not exactly want to run Win 7 on it :) | 16:23 |
| lcuk | X-Fade, that is the same no matter what hardware its on! | 16:24 |
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| chickaroo | overheard that GMA 500, SGX, and broadcom are nogo for linux/meego, any other hardware that should be avoided? (planning on buying a netbook soon) | 16:31 |
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| X-Fade | Solid state disks. | 16:32 |
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| balor | Solid state disks seem fine on two systems for me | 16:35 |
| arjan_ | X-Fade: SGX and gma500 are the same thing | 16:36 |
| arjan_ | ssd's work fine though | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | arjan_: Don't tell me ;) | 16:36 |
| arjan_ | very fast ;) | 16:36 |
| X-Fade | arjan_: Does the new fs work with ssd without issues? | 16:37 |
| lcuk | whatever did people do before 3d dedicated hardware | 16:37 |
| arjan_ | X-Fade: yyp | 16:37 |
| arjan_ | lcuk: 2d | 16:37 |
| arjan_ | ;) | 16:37 |
| lcuk | isnt that what most of the 3d hardware is used for ;) | 16:37 |
| lcuk | i mean, clutter is barely 3d (desribed as 2.5d afaik) | 16:38 |
| lcuk | are there any day to day 3d user interfaces? | 16:38 |
| * lcuk prefers fractals | 16:38 | |
| balor | lcuk: 3d UIs are an active research area. | 16:40 |
| arjan_ | I suspect also that real 3d screens will change the rules a lot | 16:40 |
| arjan_ | like 3d tv is doing to sports | 16:40 |
| lcuk | balor, sure, so why are they needed for todays UX? | 16:40 |
| arjan_ | alpha blending etc is done via the 3d unit | 16:40 |
| X-Fade | arjan_: Do you think it will every outgrow the gimmick phase? | 16:40 |
| arjan_ | as is zooming and compositing and .. and .. | 16:40 |
| lcuk | arjan_, i still have a CRT tv in my house | 16:40 |
| balor | lcuk: I'd argue that they're not. But others disagree. | 16:40 |
| arjan_ | X-Fade: 3D tv will. 3D ui? maybe. | 16:40 |
| lcuk | arjan_, ok - alpha blending done via 3d hardware - great | 16:41 |
| arjan_ | 3D Ui will go through a "my first website" phase with lots of <blink> and <font +15 color=purple> first | 16:41 |
| lcuk | why cant that be done by anything else? | 16:41 |
| lcuk | cpu/dsp/pvr are all capable of blending pixels | 16:41 |
| X-Fade | Tested a 3D samsung TV with shutter glasses and it reminded me about playing Q2 with these glases on 15 years ago or so ;) | 16:41 |
| balor | lcuk: It's a function of economics | 16:41 |
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| lcuk | balor, what is? | 16:41 |
| arjan_ | lcuk: pvr is capable of blending pixels yes... via its 3d unit ;) | 16:42 |
| lcuk | yeah arjan_ i know it is | 16:42 |
| balor | lcuk: We've got this block of silicon in nearly every device. It does fast matrix multiplication. Question is, can we use it for things other than 3d graphics like video decoding and alpha blending? | 16:42 |
| lcuk | but together they can all do a better job than one | 16:42 |
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| lcuk | balor, even WITH 3d hardware in devices its not being used | 16:43 |
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| balor | lcuk: Maybe. Clutter uses it. And does so in an intelligent way IMHO. It's not bling for bling's sake, it's bling that's well designed to make things better (tm) | 16:44 |
| lcuk | so how come the gma500 graphics chip on otherwise intel capable netbooks prevents meego? | 16:45 |
| balor | lcuk: Because there are no 3d drivers for it. | 16:45 |
| arjan_ | gma500 is sgc | 16:45 |
| lcuk | its a 3d chip | 16:45 |
| arjan_ | sgx | 16:45 |
| arjan_ | and nobody is supporting a linux driver for it | 16:45 |
| lcuk | what does it do if theres no drivers for it? | 16:45 |
| Mek | because there are only outdated proprietary 3d drivers for it | 16:45 |
| balor | lcuk: It's a chip that Intel licenced from Imagaination Tech. They don't have good drivers | 16:45 |
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| lcuk | yeah | 16:46 |
| arjan_ | graphics harware without drivers is just a set of expensive resistors burning power ;) | 16:46 |
| lcuk | we have been fighting lack of powervr for years in maemo | 16:46 |
| balor | lcuk: It's a 3d chip. But effectively, we've no way of even turning it on without a driver. | 16:46 |
| * lcuk always thought the open source way was to route around damage though | 16:46 | |
| balor | lcuk: The easiest way to route around this damage is to not buy a GMA 500 | 16:47 |
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| lcuk | so intel should recommend people not to buy intel netbooks? | 16:47 |
| lcuk | if they have this chip in? | 16:47 |
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| balor | lcuk: I doubt that :) And I don't think anyone here speaks for Intel | 16:48 |
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| balor | lcuk: Intel explicity say that meego is a toolkit for downstream. A toolkit for SuSE or Asus etc... So it won't work on all hardware | 16:48 |
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| arjan_ | I don't speak for intel, but I wouldn't buy a gma500 based machine for linux use | 16:48 |
| lcuk | intel certainly speaks here, just like nokia and the linux foundation and people from numerous companies | 16:48 |
| lcuk | arjan_, how would a person know | 16:49 |
| arjan_ | it's a pain and it's emberassing | 16:50 |
| arjan_ | but it's not something I can influence | 16:50 |
| balor | I've, stupidly, wasted about GBP £1500 on it. | 16:51 |
| lcuk | i just find it incredible at the extremely specific ultra focused tiny little area of x86 that meego is directing itself towards | 16:51 |
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| balor | lcuk: Hmmm....maybe you should read around a bit before getting so angry. Meego supports ARM too | 16:51 |
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| lcuk | when on maemo we have devices with a fraction of the graphics and cpu capabilities doing the job well | 16:51 |
| lcuk | balor, sure, im involved on the maemo fremantle application framework team :) | 16:52 |
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| sx0n | little difficult to poke meego around if developers don't have hw to run ti. | 16:53 |
| lcuk | sx0n, ? n900 is fully available | 16:53 |
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| sx0n | lcuk, i don't own n900, it is loaned. | 16:55 |
| lcuk | sx0n, or did you mean "it" :p in which case yeah, restrcting meego build to something on a platter just makes it hard for people to pull out a perfectly viable slate and start hacking | 16:55 |
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| sx0n | lcuk, y/n: Yep | 16:55 |
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| sx0n | most of people have nvidia/ati on desktop. | 16:56 |
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| lcuk | i have intel/intel on lenovo x200 and another intel/intel on my x41 | 16:58 |
| sx0n | i don't have laptop | 16:58 |
| lcuk | and afaik neither are meego compatible | 16:58 |
| lcuk | ive got an intel/intel all in one 20inch wall mount, also incompatible i believe | 16:58 |
| w00t_ | they are perfectly compatible, with the SDK | 16:58 |
| lcuk | the joggler from o2 is nice, but it has gma | 16:59 |
| sx0n | w00t_, why i would need sdk? | 16:59 |
| lcuk | w00t_, thats not the same as running meego | 16:59 |
| lcuk | and building an app in meego for meego | 16:59 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: no, but let me ask you: when did you run Maemo on your desktop? | 16:59 |
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| lcuk | i didnt, but i ran liqbase :P | 17:00 |
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| lcuk | w00t_, the meego netbook experience should work well on my laptops | 17:00 |
| w00t_ | and so it will, if you install e.g. nvidia's binary blob inside it | 17:00 |
| w00t_ | (in theory) | 17:01 |
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| lcuk | and w00t_ i didnt run maemo on desktop because its touch oriented and normal netbook/laptop arent touch yet | 17:02 |
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| w00t_ | lcuk: Maemo has the same problem: it doesn't include ATI/nvidia drivers | 17:02 |
| lcuk | but it would be fun to try on my slate | 17:02 |
| w00t_ | so touch or no touch, it wouldn't work | 17:02 |
| w00t_ | (unless you added the drivers) | 17:02 |
| sx0n | i tried meegotouch, it compiled but it showed only black screen. | 17:02 |
| lcuk | sx0n, you need to compile the torch app | 17:03 |
| w00t_ | sx0n: which part of meegotouch? | 17:03 |
| sx0n | or get bigger hammer ;) | 17:03 |
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| sx0n | compositor did not build, complained something missing files. | 17:03 |
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| sx0n | i was able to compile mtheme and that meegotouch core | 17:04 |
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| w00t_ | sx0n: try it again sometime, and let me know what comes up.. i played with getting it running a while ago, i got it compiled at least but i never got it running.. so maybe if we get our heads together we can come up with something | 17:05 |
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| sx0n | sure maybe i try it again. i would like to test that git2rpm someday too | 17:06 |
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| sx0n | w00t_, btw i was running it in virtual box :) | 17:08 |
| sx0n | might explain something :) | 17:08 |
| * w00t_ wasn't | 17:08 | |
| w00t_ | I was using my desktop (well, technically a laptop, but I use it permanently) | 17:08 |
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| jperez26 | so, i was thinking about what i was told yesterday and figured i could help out with the n8x0 meego project, but i can only really do testing at the moment since i'm still not a linux guru or a programmer (yet) | 19:53 |
| * CosmoHill hands jperez26 "C++: how to program" 7th & internal edition | 19:54 | |
| jperez26 | lol | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | that will be £50 please | 19:54 |
| jperez26 | sadly, those books never keep my attention | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | it cost more to buy the book that to top up my car so I didn't buy it | 19:55 |
| jperez26 | sorry, i've only got $ <: | 19:55 |
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| CosmoHill | last time I got given dollars I bought a Megatokyo plushie | 19:56 |
| jperez26 | damn community ssu repo >_> | 19:56 |
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| * jperez26 pokes room | 20:07 | |
| Stskeeps | zz | 20:08 |
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| jperez26 | oh hey | 20:08 |
| jperez26 | lol | 20:08 |
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| jperez26 | just the guy i wanted to bother | 20:08 |
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| jperez26 | wanted to help with the meego on n8x0, but all i can really do is test | 20:09 |
| jperez26 | well, for the time being, all i can do is test... | 20:10 |
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| jones- | Hello. | 20:24 |
| Stskeeps | wello | 20:25 |
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| jperez26 | hi there mr jones | 20:25 |
| jones- | I have followed the instructions to get the Broadcom wifi chipset to work in MeeGo 1.0 (I have an HP Mini 5101), but the wifi won't work. | 20:25 |
| jones- | hi Stskeeps and jperez26 :) | 20:25 |
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| CosmoHill | hey jones-, IIRC slaine has a broadcom wifi rpm | 20:26 |
| jones- | Only once it worked, after several reboots and tries from the network manager, but now I can't anymore. | 20:26 |
| jones- | CosmoHill: yes, I used it. | 20:26 |
| jones- | The kernel module is currently loaded. | 20:26 |
| jones- | I'm able to "iwlist scan", and it finds the networks, but the network manager UI doesn't. | 20:27 |
| jones- | I have also tried to associate manually with "iwconfig eth0 essid foobar", but that doesn't work. | 20:27 |
| CosmoHill | i don't think this is a broadcom issue as I've heard others say the same thing | 20:28 |
| CosmoHill | then again maybe it is | 20:28 |
| jones- | CosmoHill: here on irc? Because on the forums and bugzilla there's nothing. | 20:28 |
| jperez26 | sounds like a bug with the network manager app | 20:28 |
| jones- | jperez26: yeah, but that doesn't explain why I can't associate from the terminal either | 20:29 |
| jperez26 | well, wait. you said you can scan networks via the cli? | 20:29 |
| jones- | jperez26: correct | 20:29 |
| jperez26 | can you connect to any of them via the cli? | 20:29 |
| jperez26 | or is that function not available | 20:29 |
| jones- | jperez26: let me try an open network | 20:29 |
| jperez26 | alright | 20:29 |
| jperez26 | i haven't used meego yet, but i'm using my general understand of linux-based apps | 20:30 |
| jones- | jperez26: well now it won't scan from cli either. | 20:30 |
| jones- | even if i rmmod and modprobe wl again | 20:30 |
| jperez26 | wow, that sucks | 20:31 |
| jones- | jperez26: actually, it will scan if I'm root | 20:31 |
| jones- | it might be a permission issue! | 20:31 |
| jperez26 | try connecting that way | 20:31 |
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| jperez26 | if that's the case, you might have to open the network manager with root privs to get it to work, if that's the case | 20:32 |
| jones- | jperez26: after iwconfig eth0 essid foobar, and doing "iwconfig" again, it says: ESSID:"", like it didn't work. | 20:32 |
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| jperez26 | hmm | 20:33 |
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| jones- | jperez26: network manager shoes "Wifi" as disabled. If I click it to enabled, it will go to disabled again after 5-ish seconds. | 20:33 |
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| jperez26 | yeah, sounds like thers an issue with the driver | 20:34 |
| jones- | It's odd that it won't work just for me, though. | 20:34 |
| jones- | Same chipset, same vanilla MeeGo 1.0 install. | 20:34 |
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| jperez26 | my try a reinstall of the os and see if it works again | 20:35 |
| jones- | jperez26: any idea how to launch the network manager as root? | 20:35 |
| jperez26 | sometimes drivers can be corrupted during an install or they can be corrupted during the download process | 20:35 |
| jones- | I wonder if I should start the whole panel, like that. | 20:35 |
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| jperez26 | you'd have to know the name of the app | 20:36 |
| jones- | jperez26: but this drivers I built from sources. | 20:36 |
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| jones- | following slaine's instructions | 20:36 |
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| jones- | here: http://slaine.org/_slaine/Meego_1.0_Wifi.html | 20:36 |
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| jperez26 | wish i could tell you the name of the network-manager app, but sadly, i don't know it | 20:39 |
| sivang | jperez26: connman ? | 20:40 |
| jones- | thanks anyway | 20:40 |
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| vgrade | lbt, nag OBS | 21:11 |
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| b-man|laptop | is there a guide to compiling the meego kernel from source available anywhere? | 21:15 |
| lbt | vgrade: yup... we have a list now... maybe tomorrow... | 21:15 |
| Stskeeps | b-man|laptop: scripts/sequence-patch.sh --quilt, cd into the dir it tells you and drop in your favourite .config | 21:16 |
| b-man|laptop | ok, thanks Stskeeps :) | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | add in a lot of blood, sweat and tears and you're there ;) | 21:17 |
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| vgrade | lbt , thanks | 21:20 |
| lbt | vgrade: are you a maemo user? and do you have an N900? | 21:21 |
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| vgrade | no and no | 21:29 |
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| vgrade | meego and joggler | 21:29 |
| lbt | Can you go register at maemo.org - since this is the maemo.org OBS :) | 21:30 |
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| vgrade | np | 21:31 |
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| lbt | the main thing I'll need to check is EULA for nokia binaries which you can access with an account on that OBS | 21:31 |
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| lbt | X-Fade: ping... ^^ can vgrade do that by email? He'll be working on the MeeGo side of things so I doubt he'll even care about the Nokia binaries | 21:32 |
| vgrade | no n900 atm | 21:32 |
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| vgrade | lbt, registered | 21:35 |
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| lbt | food bbiab | 21:37 |
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| xDaReaperx | when is nokia going to upgrade to meego ? | 21:42 |
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| balor | I have two users on my system. Is there any way to tell meego that the other user is the default? | 21:56 |
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| devnull42 | Has anyone been able to enable vpn on meego? | 22:03 |
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| alexandercp | good afternoon | 22:09 |
| jperez26 | yo | 22:09 |
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| alexandercp | que tal perez | 22:10 |
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| balor | Any idea how to reboot meego safely? | 22:13 |
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| CosmoHill | press the power button | 22:14 |
| alexandercp | control alt del | 22:14 |
| balor | CosmoHill: Wow...haven't used the power button in years. thanks | 22:15 |
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| CosmoHill | it confused me first time too | 22:15 |
| alexandercp | cosmohill this is my first time too | 22:15 |
| alexandercp | since yesterday i use meego | 22:16 |
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| alexandercp | today my brother and me enables the dual boot | 22:16 |
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| alexandercp | we have dual boot between windows 7 and meego | 22:17 |
| alexandercp | cls | 22:17 |
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| pupnik | nice | 22:18 |
| CosmoHill | cool | 22:18 |
| alexandercp | i have usb modem 3g zte mf626 but isnt reconized by meego | 22:19 |
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| CosmoHill | does it work in ubuntu? | 22:20 |
| alexandercp | if you wants i can send the address about the webpage with the instructions about the dual boot | 22:20 |
| alexandercp | cosmohill you can install windows, meego and ubuntu | 22:20 |
| alexandercp | ubunto makes for you the tird boot | 22:21 |
| alexandercp | third | 22:21 |
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| CosmoHill | i meant the 3G modem | 22:22 |
| alexandercp | your 3g modem is recognized by meego? | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | if it works on the ubuntu livecd it will probably work on meefo | 22:22 |
| CosmoHill | (maybe not today but some day) | 22:22 |
| alexandercp | my modem runs in ubuntu | 22:23 |
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| alexandercp | but i have to unmount de cd driver into de modem (i not understand why zte desing a cdrom drivers images in to mf626) to switch the usb to modem | 22:24 |
| vgrade | emgd progress :) http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2717 | 22:25 |
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| alexandercp | these webpages is about automotive products on meego | 22:26 |
| alexandercp | isnt about netbooks | 22:27 |
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| alexandercp | these is the webpage about dual boot http://www.elrincondelmaemo.com/Foro/showthread.php?2978-video-casero-dual-boot-en-mi-netbook-con-meego-y-windows-xp | 22:29 |
| smhar | is there a list somewhere of the components of meego tat are open and the ones that will stay closed? | 22:29 |
| alexandercp | maybe\ | 22:30 |
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| Stskeeps | smhar: meego's fully open, maybe with exception of artwork and logo for compliance issues i think | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | smhar: some distributions for various hardware may have added closed source bits on top to make hardware work | 22:32 |
| smhar | Stskeeps, so compared to maemo, even the address book and calender are open? among everything else.. not only a dbus api sort of open but actual gpl -or compatible- open ? | 22:33 |
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| Stskeeps | smhar: well, there'll be a bunch of reference apps. keep in mind that meego is the system from meego.com.. nokia may have their own OS release being mostly meego but with their own apps on top | 22:33 |
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| w00t_ | what Stskeeps said | 22:34 |
| w00t_ | (bah, write faster so I don't have to start typing) | 22:34 |
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| smhar | why would they do that?! | 22:35 |
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| Stskeeps | why? to sell devices? | 22:35 |
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| smhar | they would need to do this only if it was missing from stock meego | 22:35 |
| alexandercp | i cant understand why nokia not upgrade maemo to meego | 22:36 |
| w00t_ | smhar: differentiation | 22:36 |
| CosmoHill | one thing to concider would be going from dep to rpm | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | CosmoHill, kinda moot since meeog harmattan looks to still be deb | 22:37 |
| lcuk | meego | 22:37 |
| alexandercp | i downloading jvm in this moment | 22:38 |
| alexandercp | in rpm-bin format | 22:38 |
| smhar | assuming that Nokia will inject its closed source applications in meego, would it be easy to just replace them with meego's defaults or some third party app? | 22:38 |
| lcuk | smhar, assume it would be as simple as it is in maemo | 22:39 |
| w00t_ | not necessarily | 22:39 |
| w00t_ | depends whether or not this mythical device is locked down or not | 22:39 |
| lcuk | ie: someone just announced an open calendar widget to replace the closed one on maemo | 22:39 |
| smhar | but it is not simple in maemo | 22:39 |
| smhar | to replace the address book and the calender for instance | 22:39 |
| microlith | if things don't go full retard, it should be similar to loading a cyanogen rom in place of a stock android rom | 22:40 |
| lcuk | w00t_, for an open os there are sure a lot of buts and not quites and gotchas | 22:40 |
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| w00t_ | lcuk: it *being* open means that there are | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | not really | 22:41 |
| w00t_ | yes, really | 22:41 |
| w00t_ | because whoever they want can hack it up however they want | 22:41 |
| w00t_ | including the people making the products | 22:41 |
| alexandercp | goodbye i must leave | 22:41 |
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| smhar | everybody thought that N900 was a 'finished' product but for Nokia it was just a 'development platform', as such I would expect Nokia to and meego team, to seem where maemo lacked and and do better | 22:42 |
| w00t_ | smhar: because of course, it's possible to say that they haven't -- given that this is all speculation and no succeeding device has been announced yet.. :) | 22:42 |
| lcuk | smhar, the n900 was light years ahead of the n810 | 22:43 |
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| smhar | otherwise they missed the chance. how on earth will we compete with apple or MS huge number of applications which is the number 1 why people go for those system | 22:44 |
| smhar | lcuk, agree but still still as a phone it there are many things missing that should not have been | 22:44 |
| lcuk | smhar, when we were told about it, we were told it was a pocket tablet with mobile 3g capabilities | 22:45 |
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| CosmoHill | smhar: i thought people picked macs cos they're shiny | 22:45 |
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| smhar | CosmoHill, if they were not easy to jailbreak much fewer people will care about being shiny | 22:46 |
| smhar | lcuk, which means pocket tablet working as a phone. come on, being opensource and based 'somehow' on debian, they should have made use of the huge library of applications and started porting them to mameo and N900 | 22:48 |
| lcuk | desktop linux doesnt have much to offer the handhelds | 22:49 |
| lcuk | all ive ever seen are poor ports | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | the apps themselves benefit from being reengeered | 22:49 |
| smhar | lcuk, that was the job of Nokia, to choose the suitable applications and port them | 22:49 |
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| lcuk | smhar, they have - the fremantle desktop is a really nice gtk playground | 22:50 |
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| smhar | the ovi is a joke in number of application it offers | 22:50 |
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| lcuk | smhar, what about your comment about jail broken iphones | 22:51 |
| lcuk | once they are broken wheres the new apps for that? | 22:52 |
| lcuk | ca(i would much rather see a decent linux distro running on apple hw) | 22:52 |
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| lcuk | meego is an obvious choice right now | 22:52 |
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| smhar | lcuk, they are many applications in apple store and many more 'already available' outside it. they are very few available in ovi but outside it .... you have to wait for someone to port it and still they are few | 22:53 |
| lcuk | smhar, whats your working set of applications | 22:54 |
| lcuk | which browser do you use? | 22:54 |
| lcuk | on iphone | 22:54 |
| lcuk | email editor? | 22:54 |
| smhar | lcuk, I like the idea of meego - although I hate it being a rpm based, and I hate it being 'let us restart things ,again, - | 22:54 |
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| meegorocks | smhar: what is meego reinventing? | 22:56 |
| smhar | lcuk, I am not talking about myself, for me the current N900 would be nice, even with its limitations. I am talking about recommending N900 to my many friends that are iphone crazy | 22:56 |
| microlith | meegorocks: everything Maemo had done | 22:56 |
| lcuk | microlith, technically in open source a project cannot die | 22:57 |
| microlith | true | 22:57 |
| lcuk | even something like mer could be reignited | 22:57 |
| microlith | but they can be abandoned and stagnate | 22:57 |
| lcuk | sure | 22:57 |
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| microlith | and people do love the bleeding edge | 22:57 |
| meegorocks | microlith: but Maemo & Moblin gave Meego | 22:58 |
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| smhar | for me.. it Nokia release N900 only a couple of months after I go my N97 -which is a bad phone- and in few months later they announced another system | 22:58 |
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| lcuk | meegorocks, still waiting on the maemo side of the equation :P | 22:58 |
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| microlith | though I reserve judgement on meego until I can load it on my N900 and give it a spin | 22:58 |
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| microlith | and figure out how to build the handset UX | 22:58 |
| lcuk | smhar, n900 and n97 were on different tracks | 22:59 |
| smhar | this is why, after selling my N97 I am still waiting for Nokia next step before I take mine | 22:59 |
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| smhar | lcuk, I know but it was the next in the line of the latest Nokia phones | 23:00 |
| * lcuk adores his n900 and thinks it provides sufficient horsepower to play | 23:00 | |
| microlith | man, I just wish there was a good alternative media player for the N900 | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | microlith, a lot of people have said that | 23:01 |
| microlith | one that didn't randomly tell me I have no songs on my device | 23:01 |
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| lcuk | canola is having some tuning done over as part of google summer of code | 23:01 |
| microlith | cool | 23:01 |
| lcuk | afaik | 23:01 |
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| CosmoHill | lcuk: I have X11 and twm on meego | 23:02 |
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| CosmoHill | on a pentium 4 northwood :D | 23:02 |
| lcuk | cool | 23:02 |
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| smhar | lcuk, 'play', yes I totally agree. but that is not what most people are looking for, they need a phone with 'almost' every thing. I do not mind making my hands dirty trying to add some weird application, I've been using debian testing as my main pc for years. but it DOES provide the many thing I require as a user | 23:04 |
| lcuk | smhar, indeed and maemo.org applications provide the many things your handheld needs | 23:05 |
| smhar | lcuk, and it lacks many 'basic' tings as well. | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | smhar, explain - give examples of missing things | 23:07 |
| lcuk | infact, not to me, im going | 23:07 |
| lcuk | gnite #meego \o | 23:07 |
| CosmoHill | cyas lcuk | 23:07 |
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| smhar | lcuk, don not get me wrong. If Nokia was still behind maemo, I would get an N900 and be happy to wait for the next system update that will solve those, but I know that Nokia had abandoned the ship, and left it to community while putting all its plans behind meego, -which is not a bad thing by itself, it just make me wait more | 23:08 |
| Stskeeps | smhar: regarding n900 and meego, do check out http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 | 23:08 |
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| Stskeeps | i wouldn't say directly abandoned to die :) | 23:08 |
| w00t_ | (not even close, really) | 23:09 |
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| smhar | Stskeeps, w00t_, Nokia will not support two system for the phones, and eventually community developers will move on to the newest as well | 23:10 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeep & DawnFoster: http://black-flag.co.uk/files/meego-on-p4.jpg | 23:10 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 23:10 |
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| meegorocks | any links to how to build packages for meego? | 23:28 |
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| CosmoHill | aaah | 23:31 |
| CosmoHill | i just managed to go from the live image to the installer without booting | 23:31 |
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| meegorocks | CosmoHill: how? | 23:33 |
| CosmoHill | I went from init 3 to 4 | 23:33 |
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| meegorocks | how to adjust sound in Meego? | 23:51 |
| meegorocks | where is the sound mixer? | 23:52 |
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