| GAN900 | Stskeeps, which makes people angrier: "We're dropping this 2-month late half-assed update on you." or "Let's make up reasons we're dropping our current customers like a rock."? :P | 00:01 |
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| TSCHAKeee | they simply did not emphasise correctly that there is a degree of compatibility between the platforms | 00:02 |
| GAN900 | Doesn't help the core stuff | 00:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | thus this fucked up feeling of abandonment | 00:02 |
| arjan | janneg: I can wait a day :) | 00:03 |
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| GAN900 | arjan, it's full of regressions anyway. | 00:03 |
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| TSCHAKeee | and yup, people are noticeably disappointed | 00:04 |
| * GAN900 wonders if Nokians would test better if they had to update in big leaps like the rest of us do. | 00:04 | |
| TSCHAKeee | heheheh | 00:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah... | 00:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | this big reveal shit is for the fucking birds | 00:04 |
| GAN900 | Or dinosaurs | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | yeah | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | the only thing that pisses me off really... | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | is that... if i notice a problem in one of the core apps | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | chances are | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | i can't fix it. | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | Yeah | 00:05 |
| RST38h | GAN: you cannot trust developers with testing anyway | 00:05 |
| GAN900 | And they do everything in their power to keep you from contributing to the open stuff. | 00:05 |
| TSCHAKeee | i am hoping this will get a little better with meego | 00:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | yes | 00:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | hope | 00:06 |
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| RST38h | GAN: Testing is done by special testers who work on schedule | 00:06 |
| RST38h | javispedro heya | 00:06 |
| TSCHAKeee | that dirty word | 00:06 |
| javispedro | hello | 00:06 |
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| GAN900 | "javispedro"? | 00:07 |
| javispedro | ""? | 00:07 |
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| GAN900 | "that dirty word" | 00:08 |
| heffer | okay so i pretty much hear from your opinions that i should wait with the update? :D | 00:08 |
| GAN900 | heffer, wont make any difference | 00:10 |
| GAN900 | Since the next one will probably take another 4 months. | 00:10 |
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| GAN900 | We're taking over! | 00:12 |
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| heffer | ah no meego for n900 by nokia. isee | 00:12 |
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| javispedro | "if MeeGo doesn't go to the N900, #maemo goes to #meego". | 00:14 |
| javispedro | evil. | 00:14 |
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| * arjan can understand not wanting to go through certification again for an existing product... but... | 00:22 | |
| thiago_home | arjan: do you know if we've made the decision already on whether to include Vorbis support in the MeeGo images? | 00:22 |
| GAN900 | Nokia has never managed to figure out that these devices aren't embedded. | 00:23 |
| GAN900 | Unfortunately Nokia as a company hates its little black sheep platform. | 00:25 |
| arjan | thiago: eh why wouldn't vorbis be there? | 00:26 |
| GAN900 | arjan, for Maemo 5 legal/patent concerns were cited. | 00:26 |
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| thiago_home | Nokia has its reasons for not including it in Maemo | 00:26 |
| thiago_home | so I'm wondering if this subject has been approached | 00:26 |
| arjan | what someone wants to ship in a product, is the choice of that company that makes that product | 00:26 |
| arjan | the community non-product images currently have it and I don't see why not. | 00:26 |
| thiago_home | ok, that seems fair to me :-) | 00:27 |
| GAN900 | The community produces Maemo images? | 00:29 |
| javispedro | GAN900: "patent concerns" of course, as Nokia has AAC patents... | 00:29 |
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| thiago_home | a reason why we're better than Android: https://review.source.android.com/#patch,sidebyside,14699,1,libc/memset.c | 00:39 |
| user_ | 'Better than Android'? That's a joke right? | 00:39 |
| thiago_home | read the link | 00:40 |
| thiago_home | the joke is on Android | 00:40 |
| user_ | even Apple is more loyal to their customers than Nokia these days | 00:40 |
| lbt | nah, it's a way to enforce all-black themes in the gui | 00:40 |
| RST38h | Well, they have no idea about embedded systems or optimization | 00:41 |
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| RST38h | probably think none of it i required, especially given that they want people to program in java | 00:41 |
| user_ | they seem to know about continuity and carrying one OS across multiple devices | 00:42 |
| thiago_home | user_: yes, all three of them | 00:42 |
| RST38h | user: that does not require experience, just plain common sense | 00:42 |
| thiago_home | Nokia releases more devices than that per year | 00:42 |
| thiago_home | however, trust me we're trying to change Nokia ways | 00:42 |
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| RST38h | thiago: Many people tried by failed | 00:43 |
| user_ | oh sorry i was in particular taking about the n810-n900-nxxx maemo/meego fiasco | 00:43 |
| lbt | what has the flasher got to do with it? | 00:43 |
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| RST38h | thiago: But of course the best first step would be to hunt down and murder all S60/Symbian people inside Maemo Devices, former or not | 00:44 |
| user_ | i say firing ari and quim gil would go a long way to start | 00:44 |
| RST38h | user: not necessarily | 00:44 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: did those many people have a good position inside the nokia strategy? | 00:45 |
| user_ | they have zero credibility | 00:45 |
| RST38h | thiago: NO idea. I can only see the results of their activities | 00:45 |
| thiago_home | user_: quim has nothing to do with this | 00:45 |
| thiago_home | user_: he's marketing and community. | 00:45 |
| RST38h | thiago: Notice the direction of forking Qt into DUI | 00:45 |
| thiago_home | that's not forking | 00:46 |
| thiago_home | it's a library on top of Qt, the same way that kdelibs is | 00:46 |
| RST38h | thiago: Further notice S60-like UI elements shoddily implemented in forked GTK+ (Maemo5) | 00:46 |
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| RST38h | Making maemo5 gtk+ incompatible with mainline | 00:46 |
| RST38h | Further notice UI in the Media Player, Ovi Maps, etc | 00:47 |
| thiago_home | they can't fork Qt this time because Qt Development is the only one allowed to make Qt releases to Nokia | 00:47 |
| thiago_home | what's wrong with the UI? | 00:47 |
| RST38h | thiago: Creating an alternative framework inside the Qt pretty much achieves the same | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | user_, firing Quim is the LAST thing you want to do. | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | user_, he's our man-on-the-inside. :) | 00:48 |
| RST38h | thiago: ANd you have now got TWO alternative UI frameworks, one for Maemo and another one for Symbian^n =) | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | user_, if anybody's there championing the thing's you're worried about, it's him. | 00:48 |
| GeneralAntilles | user_, but he's not business-end. | 00:49 |
| RST38h | thiago: What is wrong with the Media Player UI? :) | 00:49 |
| GeneralAntilles | Which is where these dumbass decisions mostly come frome. | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | RST38h: they're both Qt-based. And the Orbit framework runs on Maemo. | 00:49 |
| RST38h | thiago: Ok, for starters, try removing a song from the playlist. | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | it's not a fork, it's just one more UI library. | 00:49 |
| RST38h | thiago: That is nice, technically. | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | again, like KDE Libs. | 00:49 |
| thiago_home | that has existed for 15 years and people don't complain. | 00:49 |
| RST38h | thiago: But if I am a developer, I have a choice of plain Qt (will work on non-Meego, but will look ugly on Meego), DUI (will look nice on Meego, won't work on anything else) and Orbit (will work on both Symbian and Meego, won't work on anything else) | 00:50 |
| RST38h | thiago: So much for portability that Qt was supposed to offer... | 00:50 |
| thiago_home | plain Qt will look fairly ok on MeeGo and Symbian | 00:50 |
| RST38h | Also, notice the MVC model you have got now | 00:51 |
| thiago_home | won't be perfect because it's not QGraphicsView | 00:51 |
| javispedro | RST38h: actually DUI/"MeegoTouch" works on non-Meego.... | 00:51 |
| javispedro | (but I agree with the general argument) | 00:51 |
| RST38h | THAT has definitely come from Symbian, where MVC is universally dreaded | 00:51 |
| thiago_home | javispedro: I've never managed to get it to compile properly on my 32-bit Linux, but it the Symbian lib works fine on Maemo. | 00:52 |
| RST38h | javis: yes, but who will use DUI on non-Meego? | 00:52 |
| javispedro | thiago: costed me a ton but got it running on 64-bit squeeze... | 00:52 |
| thiago_home | javispedro: what's a 64-bit squeeze? | 00:53 |
| javispedro | Debian Squeeze. | 00:53 |
| javispedro | amd64. | 00:53 |
| RST38h | All right. Sleep. PR1.2 tomorrow. | 00:53 |
| javispedro | RST38h: heh, you might want to hear pulseaudio seems a bit faster. | 00:53 |
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| RST38h | javis: how wonderful...does it still hang all the third party apps? | 00:54 |
| javispedro | not tested yet | 00:54 |
| RST38h | do try it | 00:54 |
| javispedro | iirc the bug report said it still hanged all third party apps, | 00:54 |
| RST38h | that is the most awful bug | 00:54 |
| javispedro | but the media player wouldn't. | 00:55 |
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| RST38h | ah holy fuck... | 00:55 |
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| javispedro | (only the phone app would...) | 00:55 |
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| RST38h | why don't these guys just FIX the damn thing? | 00:55 |
| javispedro | they ran out of non insane pulseaudio developers? | 00:55 |
| RST38h | it is not hard, only takes checking a quit_now variable while hanging | 00:55 |
| thiago_home | is the variable volatile? | 00:56 |
| RST38h | thiago: that is not the issue | 00:56 |
| RST38h | thiago: the issue is as follows | 00:56 |
| thiago_home | that was a joke, sorry for not being explicit | 00:57 |
| thiago_home | this all started because I pointed out that Android fixed a bug in memset... | 00:57 |
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| RST38h | YOur app opens pulse audio. Pulseaudio starts a thread. That thread tries opening audio device and hangs because audio is used by let us say media player. | 00:57 |
| RST38h | You obviously do not hear any audio, but the fun stuff happens when your app tries quitting | 00:58 |
| RST38h | You are trying to close pulseaudio, it sets quit_now=1 and waits for its private thread to stop | 00:58 |
| RST38h | thiago: GUess what happens next? | 00:58 |
| RST38h | <SLEEP> | 00:59 |
| thiago_home | considering it's pulseaudio, I would guess something completely non-sequitur | 01:00 |
| thiago_home | :-P | 01:00 |
| javispedro | the device explodes and slays your children? | 01:01 |
| arjan | are smoke and flames involved? | 01:01 |
| arjan | or shocking the device owner? | 01:01 |
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| arjan | thiago: you may laugh on that android bugfix | 01:02 |
| arjan | but mesa until last week or so had | 01:02 |
| arjan | #define memset(a, b, c) bzero(a,c) | 01:02 |
| javispedro | hey, that's a good optimization after all. | 01:02 |
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| thiago_home | arjan: it's different if mesa only used zeroing, than enforcing zeroing in all apps :-) | 01:03 |
| arjan | yeah doing it in your C library takes it to the next level | 01:03 |
| TSCHAKeee | hehehehehehehehehehehehehehehe | 01:04 |
| TSCHAKeee | of hell | 01:04 |
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| m1keg | hi, I need some help, http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/images/ doesn't exist, where can I download a bootable image for netbook? | 05:32 |
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| Stskeeps | thiago: vorbis was/is going to be part of harmattan, so not sure there's an issue with it anymore | 07:48 |
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| jmd_akbar | 'hi | 08:17 |
| jmd_akbar | 'need a bit help | 08:17 |
| Stskeeps | ask your question, probably easier | 08:17 |
| jmd_akbar | 'will meego work on nokia 7210 supernova? | 08:17 |
| TSCHAKeee | uh. no. | 08:18 |
| jmd_akbar | 'ouch | 08:19 |
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| jmd_akbar | 'sure? | 08:19 |
| TSCHAKeee | there are no plans to support it, unless you want to try a port. | 08:19 |
| Stskeeps | you'd need nokia keys to even port a linux kernel on top of it | 08:19 |
| jmd_akbar | 'damn.. | 08:20 |
| jmd_akbar | great thanks | 08:20 |
| jmd_akbar | 'g'bye | 08:20 |
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| tekojo | which device was he asking about? | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | nokia 7210 supernova | 08:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | a symbian device | 08:21 |
| tekojo | ...and morning :) | 08:21 |
| Stskeeps | people want to put linux in the weirdest places | 08:21 |
| tekojo | oh, supernova, nice phone, but not designed with Linux in mind | 08:22 |
| RST38h | Live penguin powered by Linux would be of great artistic value... | 08:22 |
| tekojo | Stskeeps, the best of commentators for Linux in weird places :D | 08:22 |
| TSCHAKeee | most ppl do not understand how constrained most phones really are | 08:23 |
| RST38h | That depends | 08:23 |
| RST38h | If you compare a modern phone with an old 386 PC... | 08:24 |
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| tekojo | RST38h: true, but when you boot up a 386 you suddenly remember why we don't use them anymore | 08:24 |
| tekojo | or not so suddenly | 08:25 |
| RST38h | tekojo: I am ok with 386s | 08:25 |
| RST38h | they have their uses, just like most embedded equipment does... | 08:26 |
| tekojo | I just want some more speed than those things have | 08:26 |
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| RST38h | Actually, it is even weirder with the phones | 08:29 |
| RST38h | The phone CPUs are powerful enough now to run general purpose software (FireFox, office apps, etc) | 08:29 |
| RST38h | But then you hit the memory bandwidth bottleneck and things slow down to the crawl | 08:29 |
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| RST38h | This problem never occurred with apps originally written for the phones | 08:30 |
| RST38h | And Maemo is hitting the third problem nowadays: the mass storage bandwidth bottleneck, as most of the software is stored on MMC, and swap too | 08:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | yup | 08:31 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's a clusterfuck | 08:31 |
| RST38h | Well, it just limits the selection of apps you can succesfully run | 08:32 |
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| RST38h | The same FireFox Mobile or KOffice are not really usable for example | 08:32 |
| RST38h | But mobile-oriented Opera10 runs like a charm | 08:32 |
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| jysky | well.. firefox in any system is so darn heavy so why wouldn't it be on maemo | 08:44 |
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| sivang | hi all | 09:50 |
| sivang | greetings from the NOkida Developer Workshop in tel aviv :) | 09:50 |
| sivang | Nokia, even | 09:50 |
| thiago_home | hello | 09:51 |
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| sivang | hey thiago_home , yo there as well? | 09:52 |
| sivang | thiago_home: Sami is going to give a very nice track of Qt and Platform development | 09:53 |
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| thiago_home | Qt is usually not used for Platform development | 09:57 |
| thiago_home | what is the workshop about? | 09:57 |
| Guest94051 | Hi any one used connection manager for cellular service ? | 09:58 |
| sivang | thiago_home: cross platform development with Qt , Mobility API etc | 09:58 |
| sivang | thiago_home: rigt, not platform development | 09:58 |
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| sivang | thiago_home: although Symbian uses Qt for some of it's platform services no? | 09:58 |
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| * thiago_home has to go, will be back from the office | 10:01 | |
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| sivang | thiago_home: now Jukka is on | 10:05 |
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| thiago | sivang: which jukka? | 10:22 |
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| sivang | thiago: Jukka Kiskinen | 10:26 |
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| sivang | thiago: Kiiskinen | 10:26 |
| sivang | thiago: you Espoo based? | 10:26 |
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| thiago | no | 10:31 |
| thiago | Oslo-based | 10:31 |
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| * thiago now goes to a workshop with some Helsinki-based people | 10:31 | |
| timeless_mbp | thiago: you have my sympathies :) | 10:32 |
| sx0n | how so? | 10:33 |
| thiago | and running Designer over remote X from a Solaris UltraSparc machine crashes... | 10:34 |
| lbt | sx0n: it's hard work with those guys... | 10:34 |
| lbt | sx0n: sauna's and jeigermiester.... | 10:34 |
| sx0n | evil combination | 10:35 |
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| sivang | timeless_mbp: he | 10:47 |
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| sivang | thiago: wow that is Qt designer? | 10:48 |
| sivang | thiago: solaris is the client for the X? | 10:48 |
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| sivang | lbt: what is Sauna and Jeigermeister ? Apps? :) | 10:48 |
| Stskeeps | codenames | 10:49 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 10:49 |
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| sx0n | synonym for big hangover | 10:49 |
| lbt | heh | 10:50 |
| lbt | complex workflow system | 10:50 |
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| sivang | Stskeeps: Right, that is what I thought :-) | 10:52 |
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| sivang | sx0n: hehehe | 10:52 |
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| sivang | sx0n: although friends from Finland said Sauna is a very centric thing there. | 10:54 |
| sx0n | sivang, we once laminated specs so those could be inspected in sauna. | 10:55 |
| sivang | sx0n: very imporant | 10:55 |
| sivang | sx0n: I would like to work like this :) | 10:55 |
| * sivang suspends | 10:55 | |
| sivang | be right back | 10:56 |
| pupnik | starting a media file is too slow on maemo. i hope qt is not going to slow us down even more | 10:56 |
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| lbt | arjan: I asked for the TSG to make a ruling on "Policy is mandatory"... any thoughts? | 11:13 |
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| lbt | I know it's blindingly obvious.... | 11:13 |
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| sivang | back | 11:21 |
| sivang | Sami is on. | 11:21 |
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| iskren | Hi there, just a small question: Is there any preferred linux distro to develop for meego, especially for handheld devices, and where can I find help on setting up the virtual machine for the device on linux ( there is no instructions for that on the official site) | 12:38 |
| Stskeeps | i've found fedora working quite well. | 12:38 |
| CosmoHill | hey Stskeeps | 12:38 |
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| CosmoHill | iskren: I've seen a tutorial for installing the meego n900 image on QEMU | 12:39 |
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| iskren | CosmoHill: thanks, I'll search for that! | 12:40 |
| Myrtti | omnomnom bacon toast ♥ | 12:40 |
| CosmoHill | :o] | 12:41 |
| CosmoHill | bacon toast | 12:41 |
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| CosmoHill | iskren: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_Qemu | 12:42 |
| iskren | CosmoHill: I think I found it - but in the first sentence : "QEMU offers one an easy way to try out MeeGo on ARM" - does that mean that I have to have an arm? I tought the whole idea is to emulate it :) and - is there an easy way to run my project from the qt-creator in the simulator, or I have to write a script to install it after each build manually? | 12:43 |
| CosmoHill | oh no, ARM is the emulated system | 12:44 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: http://flic.kr/p/857v28 *burp* | 12:45 |
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| CosmoHill | damn that looks good | 12:45 |
| * CosmoHill drools | 12:45 | |
| CosmoHill | would you like some orange juice?http://black-flag.co.uk/files/inocent-weasel.jpg | 12:46 |
| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/inocent-weasel.jpg | 12:46 |
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| CosmoHill | Myrtti: is that a meego sticker I see on your laptop? | 12:47 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: indeed it is | 12:48 |
| inz | "You dawg, I heard you like stickers..." | 12:48 |
| inz | -u | 12:48 |
| CosmoHill | I have a G.Skills sticker on my powerbook | 12:51 |
| Myrtti | whee! Managed to upload a Linux Collaboration Summit talk! http://blip.tv/file/3673545 | 12:51 |
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| CosmoHill | aaahhh | 12:53 |
| CosmoHill | it's in flash | 12:53 |
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| CosmoHill | I'm gonna assume meego has an IRC client | 12:54 |
| pupnik | ty Myrtti | 12:56 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: AFAIK there is an option of downloading non-flash versions too | 12:56 |
| CosmoHill | why won't quicktime let me download the source without paying for it :( | 12:57 |
| Myrtti | CosmoHill: m4v http://blip.tv/file/get/Myrtti-LCSMeeGoQuimGil908.m4v | 12:57 |
| CosmoHill | or trying to load the whole thing first | 12:57 |
| CosmoHill | thank you :) | 12:57 |
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| Stskeeps | Myrtti: no sound? | 13:01 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, my bad | 13:02 |
| Myrtti | you're welcome | 13:03 |
| Myrtti | I've not actually watched the output so if there's any problems, tell me | 13:04 |
| Stskeeps | i really hope recording will happen on the meego conference, that doesn't suck, that is | 13:04 |
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| skyscraper | hi | 13:11 |
| skyscraper | when will meego for n900 released? | 13:12 |
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| Myrtti | ... | 13:14 |
| Jartza | what was it, 2 months ago?= | 13:15 |
| Jartza | :) | 13:15 |
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| skyscraper | i've heard that it would be released in may?! | 13:15 |
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| smoku | Jartza: almost 2 months. http://maemo-freak.com/index.php/hacks/1399-first-meego-build-for-nokia-n900-now-available-for-download | 13:20 |
| skyscraper | yes but a release with multiboot and gui?! | 13:21 |
| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: the flash one had sound | 13:21 |
| Stskeeps | skyscraper: multiboot is delayed but is possible to do with flasher involved. GUI, we have xterm, handset UX is postponed for entire meego project. | 13:21 |
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| manjiri | What is the best way to work with Harmattan UI framework, if I want to build my own input method? 1. Use scratchbox 2. Use Qt SDK | 13:33 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: postponed for "entire meego project", what does that mean ? | 13:57 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: as in, it wasn't coming out with may release, ie, neither aava or n900 would have it, it would come out a litle later | 13:58 |
| slaine | right | 13:58 |
| slaine | yes. thought it was clear by now that the may release is only for atom netbooks | 13:58 |
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| CosmoHill | hey slaine | 14:56 |
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| slaine | yo | 15:03 |
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| CosmoHill | I got 68% in my C++ assignment | 15:04 |
| CosmoHill | 2nd highest so far | 15:05 |
| slaine | good man | 15:07 |
| slaine | did you find out where you lost marks ? | 15:08 |
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| CosmoHill | nope not yet | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | the marks have been posted up on out uni system | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | also you half that to 34% as the coursework is only worth 50% of the module | 15:09 |
| CosmoHill | so I need 8% in the exam to pass | 15:10 |
| slaine | make sure you try and find out though, it's very important | 15:10 |
| CosmoHill | I will find out when I talk to him but that's after the exam I think | 15:10 |
| slaine | yeah, that's fine | 15:10 |
| slaine | I don't mean from the perspective of arguing over the mark, I mean from the "what did I miss that would have landed my an A+" | 15:11 |
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| CosmoHill | I always want to find out where I went wrong | 15:13 |
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| CosmoHill | I need to get 72% or more to bring my grade up to an A (1st) | 15:16 |
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| evilbit | hi, I'm reading up on meego and wondering if there's a release for the n810? | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | there's a skunkworks project to bring it on there.. we have xfce4 on it | 15:40 |
| Stskeeps | but you'll have to wait for 1.0 release of meego before we can start sharing | 15:41 |
| evilbit | ah, ok | 15:41 |
| Stskeeps | wiki.meego.com/ARM/N8x0 | 15:42 |
| evilbit | thanks for the info. I'll keep checking in on the website for the release | 15:42 |
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| CosmoHill | slaine: Over the summer I plan to work on my disseration | 15:55 |
| CosmoHill | but I need a question :( | 15:56 |
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| * Stskeeps wonders if 1.0 will be the bullet that makes most of the meego project come into the open. | 16:25 | |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, doubt it. :P | 16:26 |
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| GAN900 | It's Maemo: Redeux | 16:26 |
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| * arjan boots his n900 into the firmware update | 16:26 | |
| slaine | arjan: show off | 16:29 |
| Stskeeps | heh, PR1.2 came out today everywhere | 16:29 |
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| * CosmoHill stabs WebCT | 16:30 | |
| slaine | Is PR1.2 Maemo5.1 ? | 16:31 |
| arjan | more like a service pack kind of thing it seems | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | good question | 16:31 |
| slaine | So more like Maemo5 R2 | 16:31 |
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| slaine | ala debians roundup releases | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | which reminds me, will we have a sort of SSU thing for meego? | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | or is it the idea vendors should be doing this | 16:32 |
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| * slaine hopes meego 1.0 for netbooks is out tonight or tomorrow, I'm away from friday and will miss all the fun | 16:33 | |
| Stskeeps | i'm hoping we finally get some info on project structure and names, because it's turning into a running joke by now.. | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | 'yes, we have a big project and a lot of teams working on meego.' 'so who are they and how can i work together with them?' 'be right back..' | 16:34 |
| zaheerm | Stskeeps, hopefully meego core will auto update with yum | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | better yet, zypper ;) | 16:35 |
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| janneg | slaine: monday is still end of may | 16:35 |
| CosmoHill | and my road tax :( | 16:35 |
| zaheerm | monday is holiday in some parts of the world | 16:35 |
| CosmoHill | ah yes, it's a bank hoilday :) | 16:35 |
| CosmoHill | that would explain why my exam is on tuesday | 16:35 |
| slaine | my bank holiday weekend is the weekend after that | 16:37 |
| slaine | but I'm still away on the monday coming | 16:37 |
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| TSCHAKeee | MeeGo Teams: "If we told you who your team members are, we'd have to kill you." | 16:38 |
| slaine | TSCHAKeee: I put out a plee some weeks back to get some feedback from the team leads. disappointed nobody bit | 16:39 |
| TSCHAKeee | *nod* | 16:39 |
| zaheerm | too busy making the 1.0 release... | 16:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm to the point now | 16:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | if they release the code | 16:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | we should just run off with it and manage it ourselves | 16:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | and give the vendors the finger. | 16:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | because this is recockulous | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | sounds fun, but not in long term | 16:40 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 16:40 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps, oh i know... | 16:40 |
| w00t_ | sounds like an absolute disaster in the longer term | 16:41 |
| w00t_ | :P | 16:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm just talking out of frustration | 16:41 |
| TSCHAKeee | i already have another project i am trying to keep on the skids | 16:41 |
| slaine | don't we all | 16:41 |
| arjan | Stskeeps: zypper isn't better than yum ;-( | 16:42 |
| CosmoHill | damn my phone, it keeps using the wrong word in predictive test | 16:42 |
| CosmoHill | i almost told someone I have "gayfever" | 16:42 |
| CosmoHill | (hayfever) | 16:42 |
| Stskeeps | arjan: to some degree it is, but lacking in others :P | 16:42 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: you're the only one in the village | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | :( | 16:43 |
| CosmoHill | bollocks, now I send a text half way through writting it | 16:44 |
| arjan | hit unsend | 16:44 |
| * CosmoHill hits his phone repeatedtly | 16:44 | |
| * w00t_ hits CosmoHill repeatedly | 16:44 | |
| CosmoHill | ow ow ow | 16:45 |
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| CosmoHill | I really should glue the front cover back into place | 16:46 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4587946370/ | 16:49 |
| CosmoHill | It's a well known fact that stickers boost performace | 16:49 |
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| ZogG | CosmoHill where do i get those? | 17:20 |
| ZogG | i want meego sticker =)))) | 17:20 |
| ZogG | and meego as well =) | 17:20 |
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| Myrtti | ZogG: it's a picture of my laptop, and I got the stickers directly from DawnFoster who had ordered them and gave a few out at Linux Collaboration Summit | 17:28 |
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| ZogG | Myrtti =(((( | 17:28 |
| ZogG | Myrtti, do you have more? =))) | 17:29 |
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| Myrtti | few for selected friends and workmates. Why don't you ask Dawn if she has more? | 17:29 |
| ZogG | i don't have any summits in my country and if i do noone invites me =( | 17:29 |
| ZogG | owww Dawn is female ... | 17:30 |
| Myrtti | ... and what does Dawn being a female have to do with it? | 17:30 |
| CosmoHill | owww? did she kick you? | 17:30 |
| * Myrtti is intrigued | 17:30 | |
| * lcuk gets popcorn | 17:31 | |
| CosmoHill | Myrtti: good thing ZogG isnt' an AMD fanboy | 17:31 |
| CosmoHill | hey lcuk | 17:31 |
| ZogG | i didn't know who is she till now | 17:31 |
| * ZogG googled | 17:31 | |
| ZogG | CosmoHill, i'm just passing by =))) | 17:31 |
| Myrtti | Lord give me strength | 17:31 |
| ZogG | i don't trust AMD | 17:31 |
| ZogG | Intel is my choice, but still didn't know anything about her before =) | 17:32 |
| Myrtti | ... but what does her being female have to do with anything? | 17:33 |
| Myrtti | no, wait, nevermind. I might get an answer I didn't want to hear | 17:33 |
| * CosmoHill takes handful of popcorn from lcuk and noms | 17:33 | |
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| ZogG | Myrtti just disn't see too much geek girls around - that's all, most people over internet, IRC, IT i know are male | 17:34 |
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| ZogG | nothing personal or against anyone | 17:34 |
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| CosmoHill | s/away/for cover | 17:34 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster: hi, we were just discussing the fact that there are women in zee Interwebs | 17:35 |
| Myrtti | *rolleyes* | 17:35 |
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| DawnFoster | Myrtti: *sigh* | 17:35 |
| CosmoHill | ZogG: there are some hot girls on my computer science course | 17:35 |
| ZogG | there are no where i study and that makes me sad panda | 17:36 |
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| luist | hey i rebuilt a moblin application in suse, and im getting this error: http://pastie.org/976760 what could it be? i have the latest intel drivers, xorg-server 1.8.1 and all of its deps | 17:36 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, liar. | 17:37 |
| ZogG | GAN900 protect me please | 17:37 |
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| CosmoHill | ZogG: you could be a happy panda | 17:39 |
| CosmoHill | and by happy i mean something else | 17:39 |
| GAN900 | TSCHAKeee, nah, "If we wanted to tell you, we'd have to find out ourselves first" | 17:39 |
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| ZogG | CosmoHill, i think i don't want to hear it, do i? | 17:40 |
| CosmoHill | you could look it up on in the thesaurus | 17:40 |
| Stskeeps | .. | 17:40 |
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| ZogG | DawnFoster, is gonna be any Intel or MeeGo summit in Israel? | 17:57 |
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| CosmoHill | http://wiki.meego.com/Events | 18:04 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/4505576032/page2/ | 18:05 |
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| GAN900 | Stskeeps, your issue didn't make the agenda? | 18:07 |
| Stskeeps | i think there's enough for an hour, or even more, on that agenda | 18:07 |
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| Stskeeps | so i think it's fair | 18:07 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, well, certainly, when they keep cancelling meetings. ;) | 18:07 |
| CosmoHill | oh yeah, the meeting is tonight right? | 18:08 |
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| Stskeeps | GAN900: besides that, it generated a good discussion and quim and dirk clearly showed we're on the same page regarding how things should be. | 18:09 |
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| CosmoHill | http://www.flickr.com/photos/geekygirldawn/2323718199/ bunny! | 18:15 |
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| leinir | Very bunny indeed! :) | 18:15 |
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| Stskeeps | which reminds me i should watch donnie darko again.. | 18:16 |
| CosmoHill | me too | 18:16 |
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| DawnFoster | Someone found my flickr stream :) | 18:17 |
| Stskeeps | meego stickers were discussed before and i guess that where it came from :) | 18:17 |
| * Stskeeps is looking forward to be putting a meego sticker on his n900 | 18:18 | |
| DawnFoster | yeah, it's not hard to find. Lots of goofy pictures of my nephew mostly along with various conferences / vacations | 18:18 |
| gour | hiya, when do you expect UI gfor meego to be released? | 18:18 |
| Stskeeps | gour: netbook ux should come out in may, handset ux sometime after | 18:18 |
| gour | Stskeeps: will stuff like video for skype/sip work on meego as well as in 1.2? | 18:19 |
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| Stskeeps | gour: i think it's a good idea to go read meego.com and what it says in the text :) | 18:19 |
| Stskeeps | skype and such is normally reserved for vendors to put on their devices as differentiation | 18:20 |
| Stskeeps | but one day meego might change that, i guess :P | 18:20 |
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| gour | hmm, but one prevents one to use skype on meego? | 18:21 |
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| TSCHAKeee | *FACEPALM* | 18:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | dude | 18:21 |
| TSCHAKeee | it's linux | 18:21 |
| Stskeeps | gour: you can install skype for linux on netbook at least | 18:21 |
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| Stskeeps | handset grade skype is a bit different | 18:21 |
| gour | ok, it's better to ask about sip, e.g. ekiga then :-) | 18:22 |
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| Stskeeps | ah, that's probably easier | 18:22 |
| Stskeeps | i don't know what the state of sip is there, or what telepathy plugins are being used | 18:22 |
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| * gour 'forgot' skype is propr. :-( | 18:23 | |
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| ZogG | skype promised to go open | 18:23 |
| gour | heh...long ago | 18:24 |
| gour | there is not even 64bit version | 18:24 |
| CosmoHill | ubuntu has skype in it's repo now | 18:24 |
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| gour | any eta when some meego hw may appear (besides n900)? | 18:25 |
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| CosmoHill | you mean when you can buy phones with meego on it from a shop? | 18:26 |
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| gour | CosmoHill: well, at least, when one can have some decent phone which can load meego on it | 18:28 |
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| gour | when we speak about telepathy, is there some progress with telepathy & otr? on desktop it keeps me using pidgin | 18:29 |
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| Myrtti | second video is up ♥ http://myrtti.blip.tv/file/3674581/ | 18:47 |
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| lbt | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/ | 18:52 |
| Stskeeps | we never had releases? | 18:53 |
| Stskeeps | well, i guess it was a codedrop | 18:53 |
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| TSCHAKeee | that really tells a lot, huh | 18:56 |
| gour | almost like vapourware :-D | 18:56 |
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| CosmoHill | there's no readme file :o | 19:00 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/Proposal_for_signed-off-by_process <- that's a sane process | 19:00 |
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| CosmoHill | will I be right in assuming that this meego doesn't come with video drivers | 19:01 |
| CosmoHill | only vesa? | 19:01 |
| TSCHAKeee | heh | 19:01 |
| Stskeeps | CosmoHill: and only greyscale, obviously | 19:02 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 19:02 |
| GAN900 | sts | 19:02 |
| GAN900 | Stskeeps, sticker is too big, probably. | 19:02 |
| GAN900 | (damn return key) | 19:02 |
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| CosmoHill | I see Virtual Machine Support in the meego kickstart file | 19:11 |
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| arjan | ......... and 1.0 is released! | 19:20 |
| Stskeeps | woo | 19:21 |
| Stskeeps | no reflection of it on the homepage though | 19:21 |
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| koupsa | why a google chrome version? | 19:22 |
| DawnFoster | http://meego.com/community/blogs/imad/2010/meego-v1.0-core-software-platform-netbook-user-experience-project-release | 19:22 |
| Stskeeps | ah, there | 19:22 |
| arjan | Stskeeps: it's on the homepage too | 19:22 |
| arjan | hit refresh on your browser cache ;) | 19:23 |
| slaine | arjan: congrats | 19:23 |
| slaine | wget'ing as we speak | 19:23 |
| koupsa | 15minutes and try it | 19:23 |
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| koupsa | whereis my usbstick ? | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: thanks for url | 19:24 |
| CosmoHill | ctrl + F5 is a good way to force your brower to refresh | 19:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | still looks like it's using mutter | 19:24 |
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| arjan | netbook uses mmutter yes | 19:24 |
| TSCHAKeee | how long will this be the case? | 19:25 |
| arjan | for netbook? I don't think there's a plan to change that | 19:25 |
| arjan | other devices will use other setups | 19:25 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: would you like a quick mirror? | 19:25 |
| arjan | applications will be qt based | 19:25 |
| TSCHAKeee | ....okay. | 19:25 |
| DawnFoster | I think we're already mirroring it | 19:26 |
| arjan | we have about 5 to 10 gigabit of mirror bandwidth | 19:26 |
| GAN900 | So, is meego.com gonna get a takedown notice too? | 19:26 |
| CosmoHill | :o | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: ah, good one | 19:26 |
| arjan | if you have a few gigabit to add. sure | 19:26 |
| TSCHAKeee | arjan, am wanting to do UX work, building a TV UX, and am wondering what i should leverage... | 19:26 |
| arjan | CAN900: for what? | 19:26 |
| koupsa | diff between chrome and no chrome version? only chrome? | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | maemo.org got a takedown notice recently due to chrome | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | sec | 19:26 |
| arjan | for that thing on lwn a while ago for the smart updater thing? | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | arjan: well when downloading big files I tend to download to my friends server and then download from there | 19:27 |
| TSCHAKeee | is it chrome vs moblin-web-browser? | 19:27 |
| CosmoHill | his is 200Mb/s | 19:27 |
| Stskeeps | arjan: yeah, that | 19:27 |
| arjan | the thing that isn't enabled in linux builds so the takedown is just a joke | 19:27 |
| arjan | ;) | 19:27 |
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| lbt | but you distribute the source for it? | 19:28 |
| lbt | meh, that's what lawyers are for... | 19:28 |
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| lbt | hi anaZ | 19:28 |
| anaZ | hi | 19:28 |
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| arjan | lbt: for chrome? no we don't ship chrome source | 19:29 |
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| CosmoHill | my download speed is all over the place :/ | 19:29 |
| lbt | anaZ: did you get my request? | 19:29 |
| anaZ | yes I did | 19:30 |
| lbt | I didn't realise the release was so close at the time :) | 19:30 |
| lbt | what do yo need to enable a link? | 19:30 |
| lbt | src IP of the machine/http proxy? | 19:31 |
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| slaine | nice visual refresh | 19:31 |
| lbt | slaine: ? the xterm is black/yellow now? | 19:32 |
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| slaine | haha | 19:32 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: damn you and your fast internet | 19:32 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: nah, it's still downloading | 19:32 |
| slaine | http://meego.com/devices/netbook/netbook-screenshots | 19:32 |
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| koupsa | are the links right? MeeGo v1.0 for Netbooks download a chromium version ? | 19:33 |
| CosmoHill | i was just thinking that | 19:33 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: Yeah, I like the new look | 19:33 |
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| CosmoHill | 100%[======================================>] 813,694,976 797K/s in 8m 44s | 19:34 |
| DawnFoster | koupsa: I'm not sure that I understand your question | 19:34 |
| lbt | anaZ: well, ping me when you have an answer... | 19:34 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: chromium has google chrome right? | 19:34 |
| DawnFoster | the meego 1.0 for netbooks is Chromium | 19:34 |
| anaZ | lbt: you will get an answer per email, I dont like mixing email conversations with irc chats :) | 19:35 |
| CosmoHill | oh it's the name of it? | 19:35 |
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| DawnFoster | we have the open source Chromium version for people who want an all open source disto | 19:35 |
| lbt | anaZ: err.... OK | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | we're speaking the browser, right? | 19:35 |
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| DawnFoster | we also have a version with Chrome, but it requires a Google EULA click-thru (google requirement) | 19:35 |
| koupsa | MeeGo v1.0 for Netbooks download meego-notebook-chromium | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | ah | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | that makes sense | 19:35 |
| slaine | Go to the /netbook on the site | 19:36 |
| CosmoHill | where can I get the sha1 for the image? | 19:36 |
| slaine | there's a download option there for a chrome version if you agree to the google eula | 19:36 |
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| CosmoHill | http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.md5sum | 19:37 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ << incase anyone wants to download from there | 19:38 |
| Stskeeps | it's a nice gesture to properly seperate what's oss and what's not (wimax supplicant etc) - means we're all sure what we're gettng | 19:38 |
| luist | hey i rebuilt a moblin application in suse, and im getting this error: http://pastie.org/976760 what could it be? i have the latest intel drivers, xorg-server 1.8.1 and all of its deps | 19:38 |
| slaine | MX and Clutter looking lovely | 19:39 |
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| koupsa | reboot on usb | 19:40 |
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| * TSCHAK still wondering whether to build the UX on clutter/MX or Qt | 19:41 | |
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| thos | CosmoHill: i'm not sure you can mirror it, some of the assets are (c) Intel and have trademark agreements | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | the chromium image should hopefully be mirrorable | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | otherwise we've -really- failed. | 19:42 |
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| CosmoHill | well if it's not I'll taken it down after I've finished downloading to my local server | 19:42 |
| arjan | Stskeeps: you can mirror the image | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | yes, that's what i thought :) | 19:43 |
| CosmoHill | :) | 19:43 |
| arjan | what you can't do is make a bad clone that's not compatible | 19:43 |
| thos | Stskeeps: both include mutter-moblin and other packages with the proprietory license | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | so, we're actually not OSS on netbook images? | 19:43 |
| CosmoHill | I'm going by what arjan says | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | obviously there's trademark stuff | 19:43 |
| Stskeeps | and use of this | 19:43 |
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| Stskeeps | .. actually, nm, i'm sounding like an ass. | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | yes, this makes perfect sense. | 19:44 |
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| thos | CosmoHill: Stskeeps the license says "Permission is granted to copy and distribute in association with a device that has fulfilled all requirements of the MeeGoâ„¢ Compliance Program (see http://www.meego.com). No other licenses expressed or implied are granted. | 19:44 |
| TSCHAK | hey thos, long time no see. :) | 19:44 |
| thos | hey TSCHAK :-) | 19:44 |
| Stskeeps | thos: fair enough - artwork and logos | 19:44 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm kinda wondering 'with a device' though, but so it goes | 19:45 |
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| thos | Stskeeps: yeah i'm not sure what it means, but most of the graphics are full (c) intel | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | because i could imagine a scenario where i want to let's say, distribute my app on top of a meego image, while maintaining being meego compliant | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | and distribute this image | 19:46 |
| Stskeeps | but that's just nitpicking. | 19:47 |
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| Stskeeps | i think it's for the best, we need compliance in order for the platform to survive. | 19:47 |
| koupsaa | i say waouh! very nice very cute meego and fast :) | 19:47 |
| koupsaa | an irc client ? | 19:47 |
| koupsaa | great job arjan DawnFoster and the other | 19:48 |
| DawnFoster | koupsaa - thanks! Many people worked on getting this out | 19:48 |
| pippin | luist: either use clutter 1.2.8 or apply this patch 14a353e0c204a3e603397d3dce61a11ac80c6cee from the 1.2 branch ( http://bugzilla.openedhand.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2102 ) | 19:49 |
| DawnFoster | and we're relieved to have the development out in the open now | 19:49 |
| koupsaa | nice i reboot and search an irc client | 19:49 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i hope we'll see a flurry of active construction and use of this platform from now on, yeah | 19:50 |
| koupsaa | irc is not in the "messenger" may be i miss them | 19:50 |
| koupsaa | ? | 19:51 |
| koupsaa | anybody have found an irc client? | 19:51 |
| koupsaa | ok i search | 19:51 |
| robster | koupsaa: install telepathy-idle package :-P | 19:52 |
| koupsaa | i celebrate meego with a orange bud | 19:52 |
| koupsaa | ok | 19:53 |
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| luist | pippin, the only packages i have installed are clutter-imcontext and libclutter-glx... do i need to upgrade any of these or just install clutter 1.2.8? | 19:53 |
| slaine | fail | 19:54 |
| slaine | meego-netbook-ia32-20100524.1.img440 B/s - 694.3 kB of 800 MB, 22 days left | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | ha! | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | slaine: i was downloading a 1.8gb MMC image earlier to test it, 4 hours, don't complain | 19:54 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | i downloaded RHEL to my friend's server and then from there to mine | 19:54 |
| CosmoHill | it went wrong so I used rsync to fix it instead of downloading agian | 19:54 |
| slaine | hmm, I've got a server I could try and use | 19:54 |
| pippin | luist: just install clutter 1.2.8 libclutter-glx is provided by clutter | 19:55 |
| luist | pippin, ok | 19:55 |
| CosmoHill | I've downloaded 288MB so far | 19:55 |
| happyblob | hi guys, minor detail and not related to image itself but the windows usb imaging instructions still refer to moblin not meego | 19:55 |
| happyblob | http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 19:55 |
| happyblob | where do you report this kind of nitpicking? :) | 19:55 |
| Stskeeps | happyblob: mailing list thread people seem to pick up on | 19:56 |
| DawnFoster | I fixed part of it | 19:56 |
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| arjan | happyblob: either here or the mailing list | 19:56 |
| nedrichards | slaine: fly to london, I'll put it on a USB stick for you faster than that | 19:56 |
| slaine | hey nedrichards | 19:56 |
| DawnFoster | I'm going to send it to someone else to make sure that all of the links are correct, to | 19:56 |
| DawnFoster | too | 19:56 |
| slaine | nice to see you've been let out in the open | 19:56 |
| nedrichards | slaine: ;-) | 19:56 |
| Form0 | so sloow, any torrent available? :) | 19:56 |
| arjan | Form0: there's a whole bunch of mirrors | 19:57 |
| arjan | like mirror.kernel.org | 19:57 |
| arjan | try a mirror! | 19:57 |
| happyblob | ok thanks.. i'm officially reporting it here then! :) | 19:57 |
| Form0 | ahh, thx | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | arjan: are the mirrors listed somewhere? | 19:57 |
| zaheerm | awesome, didn't realiose it was released | 19:57 |
| arjan | in theory we round robbin the urls for them on the site | 19:57 |
| arjan | but round robin does not mean the load is perfectly balanced | 19:57 |
| TSCHAK | the robins are tired from flying already | 19:57 |
| CosmoHill | Form0: http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ if you wanna try | 19:57 |
| microlith | hmm, time to break out the aspire one when I get home | 19:57 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, pass on my congrats on the release | 19:58 |
| microlith | Looks very... Moblin | 19:58 |
| TSCHAK | somebody needs to check the data center to see if the router is glowing. | 19:58 |
| TSCHAK | and smoking | 19:58 |
| CosmoHill | or netgear | 19:58 |
| arjan | there's several data centers around the world for this | 19:58 |
| zaheerm | 21 minutes remaining here | 19:58 |
| TSCHAK | eth0: router on fire. | 19:58 |
| TSCHAK | microlith, ....yeahhhhh... it's the netbook UX...were you...expecting something wildly different? :) | 19:59 |
| happyblob | thanks CosmoHill btw, getting it from your server at the mo, good speed | 19:59 |
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| microlith | TSCHAK: not really | 19:59 |
| Corsac | hmhm, is there a netbook image for arm? (I mean, with netbook UI) | 19:59 |
| arjan | no | 20:00 |
| microlith | I do like that the tabs are more colorful though :) | 20:00 |
| nedrichards | microlith: glad to make you happy | 20:00 |
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| microlith | nedrichards: you work on that part? | 20:00 |
| koupsaa | yep | 20:00 |
| microlith | cool | 20:00 |
| * TSCHAK wonders how long until ppl realise that MX's ui is stylable, and people start changing it | 20:00 | |
| CosmoHill | arjan: any graphics drivers or just basic vesa for now? | 20:01 |
| nedrichards | microlith: i'm in the design team, but they'd hold a revolt if you let me near actual graphics | 20:01 |
| microlith | will have to give it a spin tonight | 20:01 |
| koupsaa | wone pqnel ok | 20:01 |
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| Stskeeps | arjan: if we stretch that a bit, isn't it possible to build clutter against GLES2? | 20:01 |
| koupsaa | oups zone panel ok | 20:01 |
| TSCHAK | Stskeeps, yes | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | happyblob: that's good to know | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | I'll pass it on to the owner | 20:01 |
| Stskeeps | (i know it's not built against ARM atm.) | 20:01 |
| TSCHAK | i've run clutter on a freescale dev board | 20:02 |
| slaine | hmm, my mouse just stopped working | 20:02 |
| robster | koupsaa: telepathy-idle should be installed by default | 20:03 |
| koupsaa | nice ;odifiqble toolbqr | 20:03 |
| nedrichards | yup | 20:03 |
| koupsaa | grr thx robster<< | 20:03 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: weird | 20:03 |
| lcuk | mmm the 1.0 core experience for handhelds thing - it says it includes graphics and qt - can we use qt directly now and run apps? like even the widget gallery | 20:03 |
| koupsaa | keyboqrd/ lol | 20:03 |
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| robster | koupsaa: rpm -qi should tell you if it is.. | 20:03 |
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| koupsaa | nice robster i m on meego noz | 20:04 |
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| koupsaa | now | 20:04 |
| robster | cool, i've never tested it with IRC | 20:04 |
| koupsaa | just need a french keyboard | 20:04 |
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| microlith | hmm | 20:04 |
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| DawnFoster | happyblob: that page has a few other errors on it, I think. Bob Spencer is updating it now | 20:05 |
| townxelliot | lcuk: Qt apps should work by default | 20:05 |
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| robster | the wonders of telepathy :-) | 20:05 |
| lcuk | koupsaa, no, the announce says 2d/3d graphics stack | 20:05 |
| DawnFoster | should be corrected in a few minutes | 20:05 |
| microlith | since the release includes so many languages including chinese and japanese, does it come with an IME for input? | 20:05 |
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| smurfy-phil | hi i have a question about meego 1.0 does it only run on netbooks with atom? i have an old asus eeepc 701 4G, and moblin doesn't work there because of the sse2 thingy | 20:05 |
| lcuk | townxelliot, so theres a window manager included? | 20:05 |
| microlith | smurfy-phil: same restrictions are in place, I believe | 20:05 |
| lcuk | cos apps have more than one window | 20:05 |
| lcuk | :D | 20:05 |
| koupsaa | toolbqr is a great inovation | 20:05 |
| townxelliot | lcuk: yes, these images have a window manager | 20:06 |
| arjan_ | microlith: yeah there is some IME | 20:06 |
| arjan_ | it's a pretty bad one, but better than nothing | 20:06 |
| microlith | true | 20:06 |
| arjan_ | smurfy-phil: only on atom | 20:06 |
| microlith | and it can always be improved | 20:06 |
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| koupsaa | daznfoster http://meego.com/downloads url for doznload are inverted betzeen chromium and no chromium version | 20:08 |
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| koupsaa | dawnfoster http://meego.com/downloads url for download are inverted between chromium and no chromium version | 20:09 |
| smurfy-phil | is there an "easy" way to rebuild all apps without sse2? | 20:10 |
| koupsaa | i ve downloaded no chromium with no eula but i have chrome in app | 20:11 |
| koupsaa | i m wrong ? | 20:12 |
| Mirv | koupsaa: no, the other one is with chromium and the other one with chrome | 20:12 |
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| Mirv | the former is true open sauce and the latter requires google eulas | 20:13 |
| koupsaa | look at the name of file are downloading | 20:13 |
| Mirv | probably it says "chrome" in chromium as well somewhere? | 20:13 |
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| Mirv | I won't accept the eula to check the file of the other link, but the non-chrome says "chromium" in its name with sounds right, ie. no chrome but the chromium open source variant of it | 20:14 |
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| koupsaa | this page http://meego.com/downloads i hqve chrome but i have clicked on nochrome version | 20:16 |
| slaine | smurfy-phil: rest assured, there's plenty of people interested in seeing something like that happen (I tried with moblin, hopefully the packaging problems are now a thing of the past) | 20:16 |
| koupsaa | but i m so bad in english . | 20:16 |
| koupsaa | no ntfs | 20:17 |
| koupsaa | for now | 20:17 |
| DawnFoster | can anyone confirm koupsaa's issue with the image? | 20:18 |
| CosmoHill | meego is 32bit right? | 20:18 |
| smurfy-phil | slaine: great i will try it, selfcompiling moblin was strange | 20:18 |
| smurfy-phil | maybe with the array kernel or the patches from it | 20:19 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: yes | 20:19 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: I downloaded the chromium version and it has chromium in the browser | 20:20 |
| CosmoHill | isn't chromium open source | 20:20 |
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| Mirv | chromium is, chrome isn't, and I've been trying to tell koupsaa he might me mixing those two | 20:21 |
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| Mirv | both images have google browser, that is | 20:21 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: thanks! | 20:21 |
| DawnFoster | chromium is open source and has a blue logo | 20:22 |
| slaine | for the record, Chromium is the FOSS version of chrome. It doesn't support h264 playback for example | 20:22 |
| koupsaa | no moblin web browser><? | 20:22 |
| tripzero | does with ffmpeg | 20:22 |
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| slaine | koupsaa: not any more | 20:22 |
| koupsaa | ok | 20:22 |
| slaine | not since 2.0 (2.1 used firefox) | 20:23 |
| DawnFoster | the chrome browser has a logo with red, green and yellow | 20:23 |
| zaheerm | is meego netbook image 59.5MB ? | 20:23 |
| slaine | 800Mb | 20:24 |
| lcuk | any reason why the duplicity was needed? does the closed source browser do things the open one cant? | 20:24 |
| DawnFoster | koupsaa We decided that since there were already great open source browsers available, we didn't need to continue to develop and maintain a special browser | 20:24 |
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| GAN900 | Too bad Chrome was the choice | 20:24 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: Chrome is a better user experience for people since it ships with some additional codecs | 20:24 |
| koupsaa | DawnFoster it4s ok we see in user time | 20:25 |
| lcuk | a browser with codecs? | 20:25 |
| zaheerm | does it have the webm support in this version? | 20:25 |
| slaine | for html5 video tag | 20:25 |
| DawnFoster | chromium doesn't have proprietary codecs | 20:25 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: if it was frozen before webm, it shouldn't have it :) | 20:25 |
| zaheerm | my guess is not, because chrome's webm support in the nightlys is pretty crap :) | 20:25 |
| slaine | beyond codecs, I'm sure it does some "information gathering" that chromium doesn't :) | 20:26 |
| lcuk | it runs faster too, it must do - its got less letters in its name | 20:27 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, do you know if fennec 2.0 builds have video tag support at all? | 20:27 |
| TSCHAK | if i click on the chromified image | 20:27 |
| TSCHAK | it just sits there | 20:27 |
| TSCHAK | waiting for download2 | 20:27 |
| zaheerm | it stopped my download at 59.4MB | 20:27 |
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| zaheerm | changed to the chromium build now | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: um, i can check :) | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i'm pretty sure they do | 20:29 |
| CosmoHill | dammit were is my SD card :( | 20:29 |
| DawnFoster | we're having a few bandwidth issues right now | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | i don't think they have webm today, i think you need special branch builds for that | 20:29 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, and the maemo versions use gstreamer? | 20:29 |
| DawnFoster | we're working on making additional improvements now | 20:29 |
| timeless_mbp | no | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | at least, i don't think so | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | afaik the gstreamer work isn't ready | 20:30 |
| DawnFoster | tschak: try it again | 20:30 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, ok thx, was gonna try the 2.0 nightly and test if it would play webm after i put the webm stuff in gstreamer on my n900 | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | zaheerm: so... | 20:30 |
| timeless_mbp | given mozilla policy, it's incredibly unlikely that gstreamer would do what you want | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | it's not our intention to support random gstreamer supported codecs | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | that's considered *very bad for the web â„¢ * | 20:31 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, aah ok, so it would filter the plugins it loads up | 20:31 |
| timeless_mbp | it should | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/01/video_freedom_a.html | 20:32 |
| timeless_mbp | is one of a number of posts on the subject | 20:32 |
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| zaheerm | what would be good for my web is for me to actually get a browser running on my n900 that supports webm (and i don't mean chromium, which has poor video support) | 20:33 |
| timeless_mbp | well, my fennec2 for osx is able to load http://www.dailymotion.com/openvideodemo | 20:34 |
| zaheerm | DawnFoster, isthere a way to install the chrome rpm if you download the chromium version? | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | and i'm seeing a shiny transformers trailer | 20:35 |
| zaheerm | timeless_mbp, can it load zaheer.merali.org/webm/ ? :) | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | yeah, it's working, i just tapped rotate player :) | 20:35 |
| timeless_mbp | no :) | 20:35 |
| slaine | hmm, my twitter feeds are only showing generic icons | 20:36 |
| DawnFoster | zaheerm: not sure - you could probably get it from Google directly? | 20:36 |
| slaine | anyone else seeing that ? | 20:36 |
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| slaine | never mind, network was probably just busy downloading rpms | 20:38 |
| happyblob | is there any kind of big performance/functionality hit from installing it as an ext3 fs? | 20:38 |
| koupsaa | hihihi first bug with meego and banshee. import a avi file and stop the import. meego doesn4t like | 20:38 |
| koupsaa | is most a banshee bug than meego | 20:39 |
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| CosmoHill | http://meego.com/devices/netbook/installing-meego-your-netbook | 20:40 |
| CosmoHill | when using dd, why is the bytesize different for linux and mac os? | 20:40 |
| koupsaa | nice panel device | 20:40 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill: not sure. I know the bytesize is OK for Linux | 20:41 |
| DawnFoster | I suspect that it isn't right for Mac, but let me confirm | 20:41 |
| CosmoHill | I'm mac os using the bitsize for linux | 20:41 |
| DawnFoster | did it work for you? | 20:41 |
| CosmoHill | I can tell you shortly | 20:41 |
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| DawnFoster | cool, thanks | 20:41 |
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| CosmoHill | :3 | 20:42 |
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| koupsaa | webcam is ok | 20:42 |
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| koupsaa | flash version LNX 10,0,45,2 | 20:46 |
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| happyblob | has anyone installed it using the EXT3 filesystem? I cant seem to get past installation- hangs on installing bootloader. Will have a look/put it on bugzilla just wanted to see if anyone else has tried this and got past it | 20:52 |
| happyblob | (tried twice now by the way) | 20:52 |
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| CosmoHill | ahhh why is it beeping at me | 20:53 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: it's sorta booted | 20:54 |
| CosmoHill | but it;s stopped | 20:54 |
| DawnFoster | hmm, "sorta booted" isn't good | 20:54 |
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| kunguz | Has anyone tried using meego with Sony vaio netbook? | 20:55 |
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| happyblob | cosmohill... sorta booted? | 20:55 |
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| CosmoHill | http://black-flag.co.uk/files/meego-4096bs-failed.jpg | 20:57 |
| CosmoHill | I'[m gonna try again with a bs of 1024 | 20:57 |
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| CosmoHill | i think the init has loaded okay | 20:58 |
| CosmoHill | but it can't mount the image | 20:58 |
| DawnFoster | CosmoHill, thanks I appreciate the help testing the instructions! | 20:58 |
| CosmoHill | I'm just happy to contribute :D | 20:58 |
| DawnFoster | I know everyone is excited about the release, but just a quick reminder that the TSG meeting is in one hour: http://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings | 20:59 |
| CosmoHill | oh a side note, not even Philips know that they make laptops | 20:59 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: I might not be online for the begining, I'll try and make it | 21:00 |
| slaine | I'd like to know how to submit my Broadcom driver rpm to meego1.0 | 21:00 |
| CosmoHill | I did moblin as 1024 and that worked | 21:02 |
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| DawnFoster | slaine: that's a good question for the mailing list. Not sure how we're handling those. | 21:04 |
| DawnFoster | but arjan and others should have more details. | 21:05 |
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| Stskeeps | i'm personally happy to see a sane 'contributor agreement' as on the TSG agenda today. that gives me a good vibe this is getting done the right way. | 21:06 |
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| DawnFoster | Stskeeps: we thought that if we copied the Linux kernel model, it would work for most people :) | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | yeah | 21:07 |
| Stskeeps | also less bureaucracy, less barrier to entry, etc | 21:07 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: cheers, fired off an email there | 21:08 |
| * CosmoHill has turned on the news and it's not good | 21:08 | |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: the broadcom drivers are redistributable or? | 21:11 |
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| DawnFoster | slaine: if you don't get a good response on that question ping me again in a couple of days. | 21:12 |
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| happyblob | my installation is getting stuck using ext2 as well, same place- 'installing bootloader'.. i'm out for dinner so will sort out my own install later but MeeGo people might want to test it out, see if just my image is dodgy or the installer isn't quite right (i imagine a fair few people will try ext2/ext3 soon anyway since btrfs is experimental and apparently you cant put a bootloader on it) | 21:13 |
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| smurfy-phil | is it possible to recreate with the image-creator all meego packages with own compiler options? | 21:13 |
| Stskeeps | smurfy-phil: image creator takes already built binary packages | 21:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | hey DawnFoster? | 21:14 |
| timeless_mbp | http://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings | 21:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | > NOTE: No TSG meeting this week. The next TSG meeting will be on Wednesday, 26 May 2010. | 21:14 |
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| timeless_mbp | someone should fix that :) | 21:14 |
| smurfy-phil | stskeeps: hm ok is there a "build" script to create an image from stratch? | 21:14 |
| DawnFoster | You can edit the wiki ;) | 21:14 |
| Stskeeps | smurfy-phil: no, that's called OBS | 21:15 |
| DawnFoster | I'll fix it | 21:15 |
| timeless_mbp | not easily | 21:15 |
| timeless_mbp | the "log in" link takes me to the wrong page... | 21:15 |
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| DawnFoster | timeless_mbp: OK, i updated it | 21:16 |
| DawnFoster | don't use the log in link at the top | 21:16 |
| DawnFoster | you have to click log out | 21:16 |
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| w00t_ | times like these I remember why I love SSO | 21:17 |
| w00t_ | (not) | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | better than no sso | 21:17 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:17 |
| DawnFoster | and then the log in again link in the text further down the page | 21:17 |
| CosmoHill | it would be nice if the search worked on both too | 21:17 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, we're still ironing out the bugs in SSO / search | 21:17 |
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| timeless_mbp | ... | 21:17 |
| timeless_mbp | DawnFoster: i hit a merge conflict trying to fix it | 21:18 |
| timeless_mbp | so thanks for conflicting :) | 21:18 |
| CosmoHill | damn dd takes it's time :( | 21:18 |
| DawnFoster | ha! | 21:18 |
| DawnFoster | yeah, with the lower bs it takes forever! | 21:18 |
| petteri | hello. If I install meego 1.0 on my laptap, will it be possible to upgrade to next version when it comes and does it include application manager, like for example debian/ubuntu | 21:18 |
| DawnFoster | that's why I'm hoping the higher bs works, but not sure it does | 21:18 |
| DawnFoster | based on your earlier test | 21:19 |
| CosmoHill | i should have wrapped it in time() | 21:19 |
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| petteri | ah, ok. it includes updates, will the whole meego upgrade it self to next release, when it is time? | 21:20 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: I believe so | 21:21 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: thanks | 21:21 |
| slaine | Heading home now | 21:21 |
| slaine | If I get on, I'll be 30 mins into it I'd imagine | 21:22 |
| slaine | Happy MeeGo day, laters | 21:22 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: 25 mins to copy that at 1024bs :o | 21:24 |
| Stskeeps | just use bs=1M, always worked for me :P | 21:24 |
| DawnFoster | stskeeps - on mac? | 21:24 |
| CosmoHill | ssh you | 21:24 |
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| Stskeeps | well, no, not on mac | 21:24 |
| DawnFoster | we know the higher bs works on Linux | 21:25 |
| DawnFoster | we're validating the mac instructions :) | 21:25 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | bollocks | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | the issue is the same | 21:25 |
| DawnFoster | mac instructions have a lower bs and we're figuring out if that's a bug in the directions or there for a reason | 21:25 |
| naknomik | DawnFoster: I never used bs= on Linux, and had no problems | 21:25 |
| CosmoHill | the laptop i'm running it on doesn't like it | 21:26 |
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| DawnFoster | again, we're validating the mac instructions, we know it works fine on linux with high bs | 21:26 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: i think it's just my laptop doesn't want to run meego | 21:33 |
| DawnFoster | ah, well thanks for giving it a try | 21:33 |
| CosmoHill | oo | 21:34 |
| CosmoHill | I have command line login :) | 21:34 |
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| DawnFoster | cosmoHill: what more could you possibly want :) | 21:36 |
| CosmoHill | hehe | 21:36 |
| CosmoHill | I added a 3 to the end of the boot options | 21:36 |
| CosmoHill | and now it's gone nuts | 21:37 |
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| Andy80 | hi all | 21:38 |
| CosmoHill | I might give it a go in vmware go at some point | 21:38 |
| Andy80 | I'm testing MeeGo 1.0 on my netbook (just the live for the moment) and I cannot find the way to change my keyboard layout.... I cannot find it in settings. How do I change the layout to Italian? | 21:38 |
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| lbt | DawnFoster: what's the rationale that the sign-off process is OK for the TSG (submitted 3pm on the day of the meeting) but the policy process I submitted (a week in advance) isn't? | 21:53 |
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| DawnFoster | lbt: the tsg picks the agenda items based on priority | 21:54 |
| lbt | right.. good to know | 21:54 |
| DawnFoster | with the release out, we needed to finalize contribution policy | 21:54 |
| DawnFoster | and the doc licensing | 21:54 |
| CosmoHill | I didn't just see the time and remember the meeting >.> | 21:54 |
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| DawnFoster | Reminder: TSG Meeting in 5 minutes in #meego-meeting | 21:55 |
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| DawnFoster | http://wiki.meego.com/TSG_meetings | 21:55 |
| CosmoHill | :3 | 21:55 |
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| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: lol | 21:58 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 21:59 |
| thiago_home | CosmoHill: send biscuits to me please | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | this would serve rather nicely as a tea and cookies room under meetings.. | 21:59 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | at least I'm usefull for something | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | DawnFoster: intel | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | thiago: nokia | 21:59 |
| CosmoHill | CosmoHill: tea and biscuits | 21:59 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: WHAT ABOUT THE DONUTS | 22:00 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: only the first Friday of the month | 22:00 |
| w00t_ | dammit. | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | they give you sticky fingers | 22:00 |
| thiago_home | yes, we get donuts every first Friday of the month | 22:00 |
| CosmoHill | and you can't use a keyboard with sticky fingers | 22:00 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: that's awesome! | 22:00 |
| w00t_ | though like, very fattening | 22:01 |
| w00t_ | hahaha | 22:01 |
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| Stskeeps | better than very skinny qt coders | 22:01 |
| thiago_home | and free icecream throughout Summer | 22:01 |
| thiago_home | though the freezer was empty today | 22:01 |
| w00t_ | oh good god | 22:01 |
| CosmoHill | just checking, before you say meeting starts | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | non of my stupid things get logs? | 22:02 |
| * thiago_home nitpicks that the "MeeGo Computers" name isn't official yet | 22:02 | |
| Stskeeps | all of your stupid things are getting logged | 22:02 |
| thiago_home | only after July 1st | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | don't worry | 22:02 |
| Stskeeps | ;) | 22:02 |
| CosmoHill | i mean I don't want the start of the meeting being on record as me offering biscuits | 22:03 |
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| Stskeeps | anything before #startmeeting doesn't go in the official minutes | 22:03 |
| CosmoHill | even if it is a nice geustor :) | 22:03 |
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| Stskeeps | for those just joining to meeting, http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-05-26-19.02.log.txt is log from start of meeting | 22:04 |
| thiago_home | DawnFoster: please get ibrahim to introduce himself | 22:05 |
| DawnFoster | thiago_home - will do | 22:06 |
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| Andy80 | anyone knows how to switch to ITALIAN keyboard once MeeGo live is running? | 22:11 |
| odin_ | yay I make it to a live TSG meeting ! | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: #agree would be a good thing to use :) | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | so it;s in minutes | 22:12 |
| DawnFoster | I will use that once I confirm that they agree? | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 22:12 |
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| pinchartl | hi | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | hi | 22:13 |
| CosmoHill | if you're here for the meeting it's in #meego-meeting now | 22:14 |
| odin_ | what is the agenda input mechanism again ? | 22:14 |
| lbt | http://meego.com/about/licensing-policy http://wiki.meego.com/Licensing_Proposal sorry for wanting clarification | 22:14 |
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| pinchartl | CosmoHill: I'm not, but it could be interesting. is everyone free to join ? | 22:15 |
| CosmoHill | yes | 22:15 |
| CosmoHill | but don't ask questions unless you're sure about them | 22:15 |
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| Stskeeps | for those just joining to meeting, http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-05-26-19.02.log.txt is log from start of meeting | 22:15 |
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| lbt | is there any mention of what licenses are allowed? "in the file" | 22:18 |
| lbt | any OSI approved? | 22:18 |
| thiago_home | well, if you're contributing to an existing file, it has a license | 22:18 |
| Stskeeps | well, i guess it would depend on where it's contributed to? | 22:18 |
| thiago_home | if you're contributing new files, common sense would dictate that it's the license that the project uses | 22:18 |
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| lbt | GPL2? GPL3? | 22:19 |
| odin_ | talking about documentation or anything ? | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | no, any contribution to meego | 22:19 |
| thiago_home | lbt: depends on the file you're contributing to | 22:19 |
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| DawnFoster | we're talking about the contribution agreement | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | i think source code is BSD | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | it's instead of a real contributor agreement you need to fax over, or copyright assignment, etc | 22:19 |
| CosmoHill | documentation is CC | 22:19 |
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| DawnFoster | the licensing is a different topic | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | and frankly, a good idea | 22:19 |
| odin_ | there must be a minimum legal requirement for any contribution | 22:20 |
| odin_ | as in, it needs to be owned by someone, that person/entity then needs to grant at least a minimum set of rights over the use of it | 22:20 |
| thiago_home | whenever you contribute a copyrightable patch, you must give a license to your copyrighted work | 22:20 |
| lbt | I guess I was thinking of new files or packages | 22:20 |
| thiago_home | if you don't, no one can use your work | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: there's a policy somewhere on meego.com i think | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | or guideline | 22:20 |
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| odin_ | the exact license is not important so long as is grants at least the minimum legal rights necessary to be an allowed contribution | 22:21 |
| lbt | *nod* but this is patch-level so not so relevant | 22:21 |
| DawnFoster | the terms of service has the licensing policy | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | i think it's basically a way to trace back who screwed up :) | 22:21 |
| DawnFoster | http://meego.com/about/terms-service | 22:21 |
| thiago_home | well, it is, since the full project is an aggregation of patches :-) | 22:21 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-05-26-19.02.log.txt is log from start of meeting | 22:22 |
| pinchartl | technical question, if the patch needs to include an SoB line, that means some formatting rules will need to be decided upon, such as starting the patch with a commit message. is there a documentation about that somewhere ? | 22:22 |
| * thiago_home makes a note to get the license text pre-approved by Nokia Legal | 22:22 | |
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| odin_ | well no, there is stuff that is not on MeeGo site which is a necessary part in order to make MeeGo work on a specific hardware platform | 22:22 |
| slaine | Stskeeps: perfect, thanks | 22:22 |
| lbt | pinchartl: Packaging guidelines area would be sane - given the OBS/patch usage | 22:23 |
| lbt | lcuk: discuss that in here? | 22:24 |
| slaine | lbt, Do all package contributions have to come via an OBS account ? | 22:24 |
| lbt | it's an audit trail - if we used git we'd have cryptographic confidence | 22:24 |
| lbt | slaine: no | 22:25 |
| pinchartl | shouldn't patches be sent inline instead of as attachments ? otherwise the patch and comment/SoB line will probably be split at some point, opening the door to human errors during commit | 22:26 |
| lcuk | if im submitting potential patches | 22:26 |
| lcuk | they arent signed off by anyone? | 22:26 |
| lcuk | its to my email address | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | pinchartl: doesn't matter, as long as there aren't any spurious line-breaks | 22:26 |
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| thiago_home | git send-email doesn't insert line-breaks | 22:26 |
| lbt | yes lcuk | 22:26 |
| thiago_home | but if you paste a patch into your MUA, it may do that. In that case, attaching is better. | 22:26 |
| pinchartl | thiago_home: what I mean is that, if I send an e-mail with my SoB line inline, and a raw patch as an attachment, the two might be split, making handling of the patch more difficult | 22:27 |
| lcuk | so it shouldnt be explicit on every email sent | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | either way | 22:27 |
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| thiago_home | SoB? | 22:27 |
| lcuk | or i'd add it to my sig | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | it all ends up in a mailing list archive | 22:27 |
| pinchartl | thiago_home: signed off by | 22:27 |
| thiago_home | Statement of Business? | 22:27 |
| thiago_home | ah | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | Signed-off-by: means you agree | 22:27 |
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| thiago_home | then rediff the patch with your SoB inside | 22:27 |
| pinchartl | lcuk: the SoB line shouldn't be added to the signature, as signatures are often stripped (for instance when you forward or answer an e-mail) | 22:28 |
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| pinchartl | so the SoB line should be inside the patch itself (before the diff, if sent as an attachment), or in the e-mail body before the inline patch | 22:28 |
| Stskeeps | lcuk: no, just Signed-off-by: | 22:28 |
| pinchartl | git-send-email will do the later | 22:28 |
| pinchartl | the former would be for manual submissions using attached patches | 22:29 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, signed off by whom? | 22:30 |
| lbt | that page isn't a process - it's a bit of boilerplate | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: well, linux kernel works that way :P | 22:31 |
| lbt | no, it doesn't | 22:31 |
| lbt | read the page | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | go look for 'The Linux Kernel Certificate of Origin' | 22:31 |
| w00t_ | that page is really _really_ underdocumented | 22:31 |
| lbt | it doesn't mention sending email or what text to use | 22:31 |
| w00t_ | that's not a proposal | 22:31 |
| pinchartl | lbt: this is what a "signed" patch would look like if sent inline: http://www.spinics.net/lists/linux-media/msg19542.html | 22:31 |
| lbt | pinchartl: and you knew that from reading that page? | 22:32 |
| pinchartl | lbt: no. I'm a long time kernel developer so I'm familiar with the process | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | admittedly, it needs more info | 22:32 |
| lbt | pinchartl: I hang around there too ;) | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | but the important part is what is meant | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 22:32 |
| lbt | I have no problem with a "Signed off" process... but the page doesn't explain it... | 22:32 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps: that's just it | 22:32 |
| w00t_ | it doesn't *say* what is meant | 22:33 |
| Stskeeps | lbt: think it's worth a thread and fixing it at next TSG meeting i guess | 22:33 |
| pinchartl | a "patch submission howto" page is probably needed | 22:33 |
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| Stskeeps | actually | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | it says "This proposal is about using the signed-off-by language and process used by the Linux kernel to be able to give us a clear chain of trust for every patch received. " | 22:36 |
| Stskeeps | go for reference on how it's done | 22:36 |
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| lcuk | how do you add signed off by into git? | 22:37 |
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| Stskeeps | committ messages | 22:37 |
| pinchartl | lcuk: git commit -s | 22:37 |
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| pinchartl | or just write your SoB line manually when committing | 22:38 |
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| pinchartl | but -s is easier | 22:38 |
| lcuk | pinchartl, sure - my commit will be dictated already by my signature | 22:38 |
| lcuk | its going to duplicate info? | 22:38 |
| lcuk | and muddy up commit logs/ | 22:38 |
| lcuk | gary.birett@collabora.co.uk commited "blah -- signed off by gary.birkett@collabora.co.uk" | 22:38 |
| CosmoHill | I really need to pay attrention to the meeting | 22:39 |
| pinchartl | yes, the info will be duplicated | 22:39 |
| lcuk | pinchartl, and in the mailing list, my email will be signed off by myself | 22:39 |
| DawnFoster | keep in mind that the kernel has used this process successfully for years. Many contributors are familiar with it | 22:39 |
| pinchartl | lcuk: a patch could have several SoB lines if more than one developer contribute to it. git doesn't allow multiple authors | 22:39 |
| pinchartl | lcuk: on the mailing list your e-mail might include a signature, but that won't be part of the patch | 22:40 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: i think it's just about that the description of process isn't linked or described within it.. the process itself is fine | 22:40 |
| lcuk | but the sob lines are lost as soon as its committed to git | 22:40 |
| pinchartl | lcuk: no, the SoB lines are part of the git commit message | 22:40 |
| lbt | DawnFoster: read lcuk's messages here... poor chap is confused even after being helped by pinchartl and Stskeeps ... QED | 22:41 |
| Stskeeps | he is bacon deprived | 22:41 |
| * lcuk sighs and looks wistfully at bacon | 22:42 | |
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| slaine | hmmm, bacon | 22:42 |
| * lbt notes that when he submitted a proposal it had a process: http://wiki.meego.com/Packaging/Policy | 22:42 | |
| * slaine is nom'ing chicken casserole at the moment | 22:42 | |
| lbt | nyah | 22:42 |
| lcuk | pinchartl, it makes sense when discussed as multi party sob lines | 22:42 |
| * Stskeeps is reading 'the art of community' and is happy to put words on experiences | 22:42 | |
| lcuk | individually however it doesnt - i can see the point | 22:42 |
| pinchartl | lcuk: as SoB lines aren't automatically added, they're a way to say "I've read the contribution policy and I agree with it" | 22:43 |
| lcuk | sure i know the need, its like the terms and conditions on signup for the site itself | 22:44 |
| slaine | So tempted to say, Not until you say "Ta daaaaa" | 22:44 |
| * slaine bites lip | 22:44 | |
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| slaine | damn, I nearly choked on my dinner there | 22:45 |
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| DawnFoster | slaine: and you think we aren't paying attention ;) | 22:45 |
| slaine | BIG thumbs up for that | 22:45 |
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| slaine | excuse me while I cough up some rice | 22:46 |
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| * thiago_home upgrades to PR1.2 | 22:50 | |
| tekojo | thiago_home: wrong channel, here you upgrade to 1.0 | 22:51 |
| pinchartl | tekojo: when there will be a feature-complete meego release for the N900 I will :-) | 22:51 |
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| thiago_home | btw, is the ARMv7 build done with hardfp? | 22:52 |
| leinir | tekojo: Bah, thiago_home lives in the future ;) | 22:52 |
| leinir | He's already way into 2011 ;) | 22:52 |
| Tm_T | leinir: explains many things | 22:52 |
| tekojo | leinir: I've only seen him in the past | 22:52 |
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| * thiago_home was discussing Harmattan++ today | 22:52 | |
| pinchartl | thiago_home: Harmattan++ ? what's that ? | 22:53 |
| lbt | it's building... | 22:53 |
| thiago_home | well, MeeGo | 22:53 |
| pinchartl | ah | 22:53 |
| thiago_home | whatever Nokia is going to use on its devices after Harmattan | 22:53 |
| pinchartl | ok :-) | 22:53 |
| odin_ | there is no "MeeGo community OBS" ? | 22:54 |
| lbt | was I too subtle tekojo? | 22:54 |
| lbt | odin_: oh yes there is... | 22:54 |
| tekojo | lbt: you didn't use all caps, nice touch .) | 22:54 |
| lbt | we're *so* close... | 22:54 |
| X-Fade | lbt ;) | 22:54 |
| * odin_ was expecting a URL to appear just ^^^^ there | 22:54 | |
| tekojo | lbt: waiting on hardware still... | 22:55 |
| slaine | Have I missed something, Imad mentioned that the drivers where discussed on the list | 22:55 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: maybe in the past? | 22:55 |
| slaine | it must have been an internal list | 22:55 |
| slaine | the only mentions I can see are when I announced updates | 22:55 |
| mlpug | are there any flashing instructions for that n900 image | 22:55 |
| tekojo | slaine: in moblin times? | 22:55 |
| slaine | even then | 22:55 |
| lcuk | slaine in AoB ask which list perhaps? | 22:55 |
| mlpug | do I just bunzip2 that raw.bz2 image and then use normal n900 flasher= | 22:55 |
| mlpug | ==? | 22:56 |
| slaine | perhaps, don't want to harrasing or belaboring the point though | 22:56 |
| lcuk | because if its been discussed to death already it would help us to know where and what conclusions | 22:56 |
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| odin_ | so the current OBS that is in use will stay being Nokia's own private OBS ? and a new set of hardware and online system will become community OBS ? so who in here are community OBS team then ? | 22:56 |
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| tekojo | odin_: interested? hands are needed as soon as there is hardware :) | 22:57 |
| odin_ | sure | 22:57 |
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| X-Fade | odin_: It is just a test setup now on hardware we had available for maemo.org. | 22:58 |
| X-Fade | But this will be exported to the new hardware. | 22:58 |
| tekojo | odin_: lbt and X-Fade have been testing things, and me and mikeshaver from Intel have been watching | 22:58 |
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| X-Fade | Basically it is a test case now, but it is starting to look good. | 22:59 |
| Andy80 | nice | 22:59 |
| lbt | OK ... so we get weekly snapshots? | 22:59 |
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| X-Fade | lbt: Let's work towards that for now. | 23:00 |
| odin_ | you only get stuff out, if its been committed | 23:00 |
| Andy80 | there is a bug with skype video calls between N900 and OSX computers and I WON'T submit any bug report | 23:00 |
| lbt | X-Fade: it's enough | 23:00 |
| odin_ | the question is, with the "grand unveil strategy" you don't get the commits until last minute :( | 23:00 |
| Andy80 | let's see if "someone" learn to pre-release testing images | 23:00 |
| X-Fade | lbt: We don't have the power to rebuild on each commit anyway :) | 23:00 |
| Andy80 | instead of delaying a PR 1.2 because it must be stable | 23:00 |
| X-Fade | *yet* | 23:00 |
| Stskeeps | not a lot of #info today, but a lot of good logs | 23:01 |
| lbt | no, but a lot of this is principle | 23:01 |
| lbt | and sadly it feels a little like pulling teeth | 23:01 |
| X-Fade | I agree with lbt. The intent needs to be expressed. | 23:01 |
| slaine | damn | 23:01 |
| X-Fade | And worked towards. | 23:01 |
| thiago_home | Andy80: the problem is that a PR must be certified | 23:01 |
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| lbt | well X-Fade, tekojo it's been a while since our last meeting... | 23:02 |
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| lbt | should we announce another at some point? | 23:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | i'm noticing a lot of repeating things | 23:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | over and over again | 23:02 |
| tekojo | yes, mrshaver was pushing me on that too :) | 23:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | as if by some form of hard headed rote memorization that things will soak through to the subconscious | 23:02 |
| TSCHAKeee | :P | 23:02 |
| tekojo | lbt: sure, I'll promise to remember tomorrow morning | 23:02 |
| odin_ | will the build platform have the ability to build native for ARM (not qemu!) | 23:02 |
| X-Fade | Can we push that to next week though? :) | 23:02 |
| X-Fade | Kinda busy atm.. | 23:03 |
| Andy80 | thiago_home: I (and lot of other people) could have submited this bug 1-2 months ago | 23:03 |
| lbt | X-Fade: yes, wanted to plan in advance | 23:03 |
| thiago_home | Andy80: indeed you could | 23:03 |
| X-Fade | lbt: Ok, just checking. | 23:03 |
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| thiago_home | Andy80: but the question is whether Nokia could have given you the image back then. | 23:03 |
| tekojo | X-Fade: yes, this week is a bit short | 23:03 |
| X-Fade | Short and eventful. | 23:03 |
| lbt | heh | 23:03 |
| thiago_home | Andy80: that is, however, something we discussed today. | 23:03 |
| Andy80 | thiago_home: it's simply absrd that one of the main feature contains a bug simply reproducible like: 1) connect 2) let skype to go online 3) choose a skype contact 4) video call 5) ooops! it doesn't work! | 23:04 |
| Andy80 | -.- | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | we put it as an action point to find out if we can give pre-release images to developers. | 23:04 |
| X-Fade | Long days, not a lot of sleep. | 23:04 |
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| thiago_home | Andy80: right. Like the Qt 4.7 beta1 release, where the QtDeclarative module was missing on Mac. | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | dude, oversights happen. | 23:04 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, and not the leaky over the wall type. something devs can sign up for above board types | 23:05 |
| lcuk | (thinking about the leaked pr1.2RC as example of wrong way) | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | no, not leaked | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | access properly given | 23:05 |
| Andy80 | thiago_home: well... better not to talk about the Qt mess even this time... they removed QtMobility O_o | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | however, the problem is liability. If the new image has a bug in the network stack and causes your phone bill to quadruple, who are you going to blame? | 23:06 |
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| lcuk | you, personally | 23:06 |
| thiago_home | answer: the guy staring back at you when you look in the mirror. | 23:06 |
| lcuk | technically since theres submissions and -testing queues and integration queues for all sorts of things | 23:07 |
| tekojo | Andy80: where did Qt Mobility get removed? | 23:07 |
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| thiago_home | Qt Mobility was never part of the PR, so it couldn't be removed. | 23:07 |
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| thiago_home | it's still in extras-devel | 23:07 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, the fallback should be onto the devs giving GOOD patches along with testers ENSURING the patches apply cleanly | 23:07 |
| X-Fade | thiago_home: nope. | 23:07 |
| X-Fade | thiago_home: It is nokia-apps now. | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | and followed by the integration testing also doing a thorough job | 23:07 |
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| lcuk | all down the line | 23:07 |
| Andy80 | tekojo: read the thread "Qt SDK beta, N900 PR1.2 and qt-mobility-examples" in maemo-developers@maemo.org | 23:08 |
| lcuk | so by the time a weekly rolls up its releasable with fairly high confidence | 23:08 |
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| thiago_home | X-Fade: really? | 23:08 |
| andrewfblack | Ok Atom processors are x86 right so why wont meego run fine on any x86 processor? | 23:08 |
| X-Fade | thiago_home: Yes. | 23:08 |
| * thiago_home points out that Qt SDK is not the Nokia Qt SDK | 23:08 | |
| Andy80 | tekojo: from repository I suppose | 23:08 |
| thiago_home | Qt SDK is for desktop development | 23:08 |
| Andy80 | but I'll check on mine | 23:08 |
| tekojo | Andy80: but the libs are in nokia-apps, available on all devices | 23:08 |
| thiago_home | andrewfblack: because even though all Atom processors are x86, not all x86 processors are Atom | 23:09 |
| thiago_home | andrewfblack: some of the optimisations and archtecture tunings enabled to squeeze the most out of the processor will cause SIGILL on older processors. | 23:09 |
| X-Fade | http://maemo.org/packages/view/libqtm-messaging/ for instance. | 23:09 |
| slaine | andrewfblack, 'cause it's compiled to do floating point math on the ssse3 registeres | 23:09 |
| lcuk | lbt, in your notes about weeklies can there be some emphasis on step by step QA to try and ensure whats integrated is confirmed to fit and hence surprises will be limited | 23:09 |
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| Stskeeps | andrewfblack: it's comparable to ARMv4 vs ARMv7 | 23:10 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, all cpus are atoms, even you are made of atoms :P | 23:10 |
| Andy80 | tekojo: you're right, just checked (and I've extras-testing and extras-devel disabled at the moment)... so what do the ppl write on ml :\ ??? | 23:10 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: damn, I thought no one would catch that loophole :-) | 23:10 |
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| lcuk | Stskeeps, apart from the fact a lot of original x86 chips are faster than atoms | 23:10 |
| tekojo | Andy80: no idea, too late for me to check, I need sleep soon | 23:10 |
| lbt | lcuk: mmm that's part of the "work in the open" | 23:10 |
| lbt | theoretically | 23:10 |
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| andrewfblack | Should have gotten a eeepc 1000h instead of my 1000hd when I got it but I wanted the bigger hard drive | 23:10 |
| lcuk | sure lbt, but emphasis where required and repeating it counts | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | its a mantra that all members would have to do | 23:11 |
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| lcuk | and the better the patches and followup the better everything will be | 23:11 |
| lbt | I think that I'd feel odd saying that... it's part of the maintainers roles and I have no issue with them | 23:11 |
| lcuk | and less heartattacky bosses will get about releasing proper dailies :D | 23:11 |
| lbt | however | 23:11 |
| andyross | andrewfblack: The more political end of the answer is that Intel wants to ship MeeGo on a particular set of device, and the configuration (CFLAGS, mostly) was tuned to produce the best code on those devices specifically. There's no reason in principle you couldn't build MeeGo for whatever architecture you want (the N900 certainly isn't an Atom!) | 23:11 |
| lbt | not being able to *see* that... | 23:12 |
| lbt | is a problem | 23:12 |
| lbt | so Imad saying we could have weekly releases... | 23:12 |
| andrewfblack | hmm this does give me an excuss to buy a new netbook | 23:12 |
| lbt | although I'm tempted to submit a topic to Dawn right now for 2 weeks time saying "Where are the Weekly releases" :D | 23:12 |
| w00t_ | lbt: and the thing is, it'll probably turn out to be accurate | 23:13 |
| w00t_ | :-) | 23:13 |
| lbt | yeah... but I probably already have a name for being cynical and irritating ;) | 23:13 |
| lbt | like all good consciences... | 23:13 |
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| Clay | does anyone have md5 hashes of the two release files? | 23:23 |
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| prjktdtnt | is anyone else having repeated issues downloading the netbook image? | 23:30 |
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| prjktdtnt | I have tried to download it from both Firefox and Chrome only to have it die off between 60 and 150mb without being able to resume | 23:31 |
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| Stskeeps | try the one without chrome? | 23:32 |
| Stskeeps | ie, the non-eula image | 23:32 |
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| prjktdtnt | not yet, I really wanted the one with chrome instead of chromium | 23:33 |
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| prjktdtnt | i'll try it though, i'm sure I can figure out how to install chrome after the fact | 23:34 |
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| prjktdtnt | any reason why the chrome version is having such a tough time making a complete download? | 23:37 |
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| arjan | prjktdtnt: yay for commercial download services | 23:38 |
| prjktdtnt | arjan, ahh i see | 23:38 |
| prjktdtnt | so far the chromium edition is chugging along nicely | 23:39 |
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| prjktdtnt | now to start trying to figure out how to swap chromium for chrome | 23:39 |
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| nielsvg | hello | 23:39 |
| arjan | hi | 23:39 |
| nielsvg | i've got a problem | 23:40 |
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| nielsvg | everytime i want to download meego for netbook the update failes after 60 or 100mb, is this normal or is it too busy on the server? | 23:40 |
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| arjan | nielsvg: try the mirror at mirror.kernel.org/meego | 23:42 |
| nielsvg | where can i use this link? i'm just using firefox and DAP | 23:43 |
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| arjan | http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img | 23:44 |
| nielsvg | thx arjan | 23:46 |
| nielsvg | i'm downloading nox | 23:46 |
| nielsvg | now | 23:46 |
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| jedix | anyone here use mic to create images for arm? | 23:48 |
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| jedix | I'm creating an image and the %pre/%posts fail a lot | 23:48 |
| nielsvg | does it work on a hp mini 2130? | 23:48 |
| jedix | I have no idea | 23:49 |
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| jedix | I would assume it would | 23:49 |
| jedix | wait, are you talking to me? | 23:49 |
| nielsvg | to everyone, thx jedix | 23:49 |
| nielsvg | i'm loving the whole community thing of meego and maemo :) | 23:49 |
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| prjktdtnt | nielsvg, don't feel bad I've been having the same problem, luckily with the chromium version of the image it auto-resumes when it craps out | 23:50 |
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| nielsvg | now with dap and with the help of arjan it works and i'm on 32% | 23:51 |
| arjan | we have other mirrors too | 23:51 |
| arjan | so not everyone use all this one at the same time ;-) | 23:51 |
| prjktdtnt | using wget myself, has had to resume at 37 and 63% | 23:51 |
| nielsvg | ah its good to know | 23:51 |
| nielsvg | mine didnt stop yey | 23:52 |
| nielsvg | yet | 23:52 |
| prjktdtnt | i wish mine would quit stopping and just go straight to the end | 23:53 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: did I tell you my result? | 23:53 |
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| nielsvg | hehe i also hated it with the normal download procedure | 23:53 |
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| prjktdtnt | if only google would allow the EULA at runtime instead of download X( | 23:53 |
| nielsvg | yeah but what are we gonna do about it but just accepting it | 23:54 |
| prjktdtnt | with the chromium version it doesnt matter | 23:54 |
| nielsvg | and the version i'm downloading is with chrome in i guess? | 23:54 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, you are human? | 23:55 |
| prjktdtnt | if you didn't click the *i agree* and then download you've got the chromium version | 23:55 |
| lcuk | or did you fail the turing test again? | 23:55 |
| nielsvg | i choose the link arjan send | 23:55 |
| prjktdtnt | not a huge difference but there's a few differences | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | i am human, a good one afterall | 23:55 |
| nielsvg | http://mirrors.kernel.org/meego/releases/1.0/netbook/images/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32/meego-netbook-chromium-ia32-1.0-20100524.1.img | 23:55 |
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| nielsvg | this is another link with not much users so it works then the normal meego site | 23:55 |
| prjktdtnt | nielsvg, yup, chromium, still works all the same i guess | 23:55 |
| CosmoHill | lcuk: I got 68% in my assignment | 23:56 |
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| lcuk | :D cool beans, whats that in relation to others? | 23:56 |
| CosmoHill | 2nd best score so far | 23:57 |
| elgonzo | Does anyone now, if meego runs on WXGA (1366x768) Displays? | 23:57 |
| CosmoHill | by 22% O.o | 23:57 |
| lcuk | nice! | 23:57 |
| lcuk | (i once had an exam where my teacher said if i didnt get over 85% i would be introuble - i got 94% but still didnt get in trouble cos it was amongst top in class | 23:57 |
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| nielsvg | 78% | 23:58 |
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| prjktdtnt | nielsvg, 97% | 23:59 |
| nielsvg | 86 | 23:59 |
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