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| lbt | o/ | 11:02 |
| thiago_home | hey lbt | 11:03 |
| lbt | morning :) | 11:03 |
| Stskeeps | morn lbt | 11:08 |
| * lbt is digging in kerberos/nfs4 this morning.... | 11:11 | |
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| lbt | it should be easier than this ;) | 11:12 |
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| Stskeeps | your internal network being kerberos and nfs4? :P | 11:13 |
| lbt | *nod* ... nearly | 11:13 |
| lbt | and ldap | 11:13 |
| lbt | :) | 11:13 |
| lbt | what could possibly go wrong? | 11:14 |
| Tm_T | I read that "ntfs" for a second | 11:17 |
| lbt | eek | 11:17 |
| Tm_T | had to doublecheck after your last question (: | 11:18 |
| lbt | trust me, there's enough caveats around krb5/nfs4 ... | 11:18 |
| * Stskeeps should set up vpn for his home network. | 11:18 | |
| lbt | kinda neat though.... and I would like to use krb5 on maemo.org and meego.com | 11:19 |
| lbt | Stskeeps: openvpn is nice | 11:19 |
| * thiago_home likes openvpn | 11:19 | |
| lbt | and the little n900 applet is just..... mmmm | 11:19 |
| Stskeeps | also has to be proxy friendly since when i use it abroad, i'm often behind :P | 11:20 |
| thiago_home | it's easy to set up, pretty secure, and works through most NATs | 11:20 |
| thiago_home | proxies usually require TCP connections | 11:20 |
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| thiago_home | openvpn can do it, but IP-over-TCP is a bad idea | 11:20 |
| lbt | best bet is to use 443 | 11:20 |
| lbt | you *can* setup 2 openvpn services to the same vlan... one tcp, one udp but I wouldn't start there :) | 11:21 |
| * thiago_home needs to use port 443 for other things | 11:22 | |
| thiago_home | openvpn on Maemo5, however, doesn't add the routes it should | 11:23 |
| lbt | I think the wiki notes how to fix that | 11:23 |
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| tmzt | lbt: did you ever get policy routing to work with openvpn? like use a computer on the network as a gateway without losing local network connectivity? | 11:34 |
| lbt | on the N900? | 11:36 |
| tmzt | on linux | 11:36 |
| lbt | mmm | 11:36 |
| lbt | yes | 11:36 |
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| lbt | I use my laptop in hotels with both internet and home lan | 11:38 |
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| tmzt | I just continually get locked out of the local network when messing with ip rule | 11:38 |
| lbt | mmm, sounds like a routing conflict | 11:39 |
| lbt | your vpn server config possibly? | 11:40 |
| tmzt | well this was on the server side | 11:40 |
| tmzt | trying to dual home but also serve as a gateway through the vpn | 11:41 |
| tmzt | so I had two networks connected through vpn, tried both openvpn and ipsec/strongswan | 11:41 |
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| lbt | my firewall has : ppp0/eth0/tun0 | 11:42 |
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| lbt | ppp0=internet eth0=10.0.0.0/24 tun0=10.20.20.0/24 | 11:43 |
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| tmzt | but you have the internet uplink on the same machine as the ipsec/openvpn gateway? | 11:44 |
| tmzt | my problem is I'm trying to use this with an existing (ddwrt) router | 11:44 |
| tmzt | but run the vpn on a x86 pc | 11:44 |
| lbt | so are you NATing into tun0 | 11:46 |
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| tmzt | well I was hoping just to ip route 172.16.0.0/16 via 192.168.1.x which is the vpn gateway | 11:47 |
| tmzt | in any case it didn't know how to route the packets through tun | 11:47 |
| lbt | so you were going to ask the internet nicely if you could have traffic for 172.16.0.0/16 ? :) | 11:47 |
| tmzt | no | 11:47 |
| lbt | so how would a client "out there" connect to the x86 box? | 11:48 |
| tmzt | I was bridging two networks over vpn | 11:48 |
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| tmzt | not the road warrior case | 11:48 |
| lbt | so your x86 connected to 2 vpns | 11:49 |
| tmzt | there was an x86 box on each end of the vpn | 11:49 |
| lbt | OK... | 11:49 |
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| lbt | I understand now | 11:49 |
| lbt | so you need to bridge tun0/tun1 not route... | 11:50 |
| tmzt | so my uv network had 172.16.2.x/24 and my fn network had 192.168.1.x/24 | 11:50 |
| tmzt | yeah, that seemed to be an option but adding the interface to the bridge lost ssh connectivity with the box which I'm connected remotely to | 11:50 |
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| lbt | No, I think you want to route from A to B via a host X | 11:51 |
| tmzt | I'm trying to understand why linux policy routing wouldn't work, why I need bridging in the first place | 11:51 |
| tmzt | yes | 11:51 |
| lbt | so you need to define X.b as a route for A on nw B and X.a as a route for B on nw A | 11:52 |
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| lbt | X.b is the tun on nw B | 11:52 |
| lbt | X cannot do this | 11:52 |
| lbt | typically a DHCP server on B would set a default route and the default route would know that X.b is the route for B | 11:53 |
| tmzt | what I was trying to do is if the packet is for dest 172.16.2.x send it through tun0, other wise send it to 192.168.1.1 over eth0 | 11:53 |
| tmzt | do this on both ends and then a ping should work, but it doesn't | 11:53 |
| lbt | that would happen 'naturally' | 11:53 |
| tmzt | obviously the box I'm pinging on both ends needed the return route through the vpn gateway | 11:54 |
| lbt | hold on... "both ends" ? | 11:54 |
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| tmzt | to get full connectivity I should be able to ping a box on either network | 11:54 |
| tmzt | from any box on either network that had the proper routes | 11:54 |
| lbt | OK, as you say things my mental image of your topology has to adapt | 11:55 |
| lbt | you have 2 networks A and B | 11:55 |
| tmzt | yes | 11:55 |
| lbt | one of them, B, has an openvpn server | 11:56 |
| tmzt | yes | 11:56 |
| lbt | that is set to offer B to clients | 11:56 |
| tmzt | yes | 11:56 |
| lbt | that server runs in bridge mode | 11:56 |
| lbt | it has to | 11:56 |
| lbt | both eth0 and tun0 are on B | 11:57 |
| lbt | on A you have a vpn client (X) to B | 11:57 |
| lbt | X has eth0 on A and tun0 on B | 11:57 |
| lbt | X is a router | 11:57 |
| tmzt | right | 11:57 |
| lbt | when X can ping anything on A and anything on B then your VPN works | 11:58 |
| tmzt | yes | 11:58 |
| lbt | then you need to tell the clients on A that X is the route for B | 11:59 |
| tmzt | the problem is A and B each have an internet gateway that is not the same box as the vpn gateway, connected by a switch | 11:59 |
| tmzt | yes | 11:59 |
| lbt | "connected by a switch" | 11:59 |
| tmzt | on the same ethernet network | 11:59 |
| lbt | hold on... | 11:59 |
| lbt | in a sane setup... :) | 11:59 |
| lbt | you'd tell the default router on A that X was the route to B | 12:00 |
| lbt | and the default router on B that X was the route to A | 12:00 |
| lbt | however.... | 12:00 |
| lbt | if the default routers already think they have routes to A and B then you may have an issue | 12:01 |
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| lbt | at that point you need to weight the routes | 12:01 |
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| tmzt | but I want to put those weighted routes on all the machines on A and B and not on the routers | 12:02 |
| lbt | no need | 12:02 |
| lbt | the machines will send to the router which will redirect to a different IP on the same LAN | 12:03 |
| tmzt | okay, that makes sense | 12:03 |
| lbt | :) | 12:03 |
| tmzt | so the packets go from a box to the gateway which looks up the static route to the vpn gateway, get encapsulated and go back to the gateway? | 12:04 |
| lbt | not quite | 12:04 |
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| lbt | box->gw and the gateway says "not me, you want X"... | 12:04 |
| lbt | box->X | 12:04 |
| tmzt | what protocol is that? | 12:05 |
| lbt | IP | 12:05 |
| tmzt | didn't know there was a control message that did that | 12:05 |
| lbt | I don't think it's RIP but it might be | 12:06 |
| tmzt | why do I need a routing protocol if I have a static route? | 12:06 |
| lbt | or you can setup static routes on every machine on A and B | 12:07 |
| lbt | do you use a hosts file or DNS ? | 12:07 |
| tmzt | hosts/static | 12:07 |
| lbt | fair enough then :) | 12:07 |
| tmzt | there aren't that many machines on either network | 12:07 |
| lbt | *nod* ... wasn't sure ... in general you'd use the same approach I think | 12:08 |
| tmzt | this still doesn't explain why linux isn't consulting the rpb when it receives a packet | 12:08 |
| lbt | rpb? | 12:08 |
| tmzt | if my gateway has the static route to the remote network it would have to be routing the packets | 12:09 |
| tmzt | rpdb sorry | 12:09 |
| lbt | if you have 2 routes from A to B then yes you need to weight them | 12:10 |
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| tmzt | if briding eth0/tun0 works then I just add those to /etc/network/interfaces (all ubuntu matchines) and it should work? | 12:10 |
| tmzt | so no ip rule stuff | 12:11 |
| lbt | there is no iptables | 12:11 |
| lbt | but you may use the ip command to do "ip route add" | 12:11 |
| tmzt | only on the gateway, and ipsec uses iptables but openvpn doesn't | 12:11 |
| tmzt | yeah, no iptables | 12:12 |
| lbt | that's vpn-implementation specific.... ignoring that, no other machines need iptables | 12:12 |
| tmzt | right | 12:12 |
| lbt | biab.. painting... good luck :) | 12:15 |
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| rashid | 'Morning | 17:01 |
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| tmzt | lbt: it works, thanks. just needed to use a bridge on both ends and assign the vpn link ip to the br0:1 instead of tap0 | 20:07 |
| lbt | OK - that'll work too :) | 20:07 |
| tmzt | still need a route on each device, I might try adding it on the gateway next | 20:09 |
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| javispedro | what, meego already killed HAL? | 20:39 |
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| javispedro | well, I guess someone had to do it first... | 20:40 |
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| Stskeeps | so did ubuntu, didn't they? | 20:41 |
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| javispedro | oh, indeed. | 20:41 |
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| th0br0 | lbt: how's the obs coming along? | 20:47 |
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| TSCHAKeee | so, what is being used instead of HAL? | 20:54 |
| lbt | th0br0: I think we're going to get web access RSN so we can get selected people to start to try it out | 20:56 |
| lbt | devkit | 20:56 |
| lbt | http://hal.freedesktop.org/docs/DeviceKit/index.html AFAIK | 20:57 |
| javispedro | but devkit is also depreciated! | 20:57 |
| javispedro | ;P now it's udev-extra | 20:58 |
| javispedro | (had to read that on wikipedia :P ) | 20:58 |
| lbt | heh | 20:58 |
| lbt | "DeviceKit can be considered a simple D-Bus frontend to udev" | 20:58 |
| * lbt has kerberos and nfsv4 .... what else matters? | 20:58 | |
| * lbt wants his n900 to nfs-mount home storage via kerberos... | 20:59 | |
| lbt | Stskeeps: I hope your meego port to the n900 has nfs4 in the kernel | 20:59 |
| Stskeeps | i think it might | 21:02 |
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