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| fqh | Hi, meego will use btrfs as root filesystem? | 00:50 |
| GeneralAntilles | fqh, depends on where it's being used | 00:50 |
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| GeneralAntilles | Nokia MeeGo devices will be using UBIFS for the foreseeable future. | 00:51 |
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| fqh | ok | 00:52 |
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| * thiago_home had never heard of btrfs until today | 01:01 | |
| CosmoHill | hey thiago_home | 01:01 |
| Myrtti | DawnFoster: since you're accustomed organizer of different events, please tell me you've had printed out signs telling people with what tags to tweet and tag flickr photos at your events? | 01:01 |
| * CosmoHill grrs at hsi website | 01:01 | |
| CosmoHill | my page is fine apart from one page where the copyright is off centre | 01:02 |
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| DawnFoster | myrtti: We always include the hashtags as part of the event prep & promote / use the tags well in advance of the event to capture the stuff leading up to the event as well as the event itself. | 01:03 |
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| Myrtti | DawnFoster: oh good. I'm just so annoyed at looking through flickr and finding absolutely no pictures I could use | 01:04 |
| DawnFoster | For example, I'm currently organizing #ip9 and we encourage people to tag things #ip9 on twitter and 'igniteportland' for things like photos / videos | 01:04 |
| Myrtti | (for blogging) | 01:04 |
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| DawnFoster | speaking of which, we need tags for the meego conference | 01:04 |
| DawnFoster | :) | 01:04 |
| Myrtti | meegocon2010 | 01:04 |
| Myrtti | can I go get a cookie now? | 01:05 |
| DawnFoster | hilarious I had just meegocon2010 :) | 01:05 |
| DawnFoster | was trying to decide if it was too long for twitter, and yes you deserve a cookie :) | 01:05 |
| DawnFoster | oh great, now I want a cookie | 01:05 |
| Myrtti | lol, the irony | 01:06 |
| Myrtti | on unrelated note, can I go and set up explosive devices at the office of Audible? | 01:06 |
| Myrtti | bugger. | 01:07 |
| CosmoHill | you sound english Myrtti | 01:07 |
| Myrtti | why thank you, I work on my appearances every day | 01:08 |
| DawnFoster | I've added the tag info to the meego conference wiki page :) | 01:09 |
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| lbt | thiago_home: I dunno why my question is being ignored... I'd have thought a 20-30% metadata overhead was a bit of an issue for a filesystem... | 01:15 |
| thiago_home | seems people don't care that ext3 reserves 5% | 01:16 |
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| markatto | 30%? wow that's insane | 01:16 |
| thiago_home | I agree | 01:17 |
| markatto | I can see 30% when a snapshot is in effect or something | 01:17 |
| markatto | although that wouldn't strictly be "metadata" | 01:18 |
| lbt | I simply setup a meego rootfs on an atom device (Joggler) | 01:18 |
| lbt | it filled up a 1Gb mmc with 600Mb data | 01:18 |
| thiago_home | I'd usually say you did something wrong | 01:19 |
| thiago_home | because those numbers are far too high | 01:19 |
| lbt | there was a bug (I was using some old 2.6.33 kernel) | 01:19 |
| thiago_home | but since you did talk to some people about it and they confirm it's correct... | 01:19 |
| lbt | so I went into #btrfs and they said "yup" | 01:19 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: your idea is fine and nice, but does -meeting2 have the bot too? | 01:19 |
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| DawnFoster | I think we're better off coordinating meeting times in advance rather than having to straighten things out later. MeetBot is already there and avoids confusion with people showing up in the wrong channel. | 01:23 |
| thiago_home | we have enough trouble with people showing up at the wrong time :-P | 01:24 |
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| DawnFoster | thiago_home: exactly! the time zone confusion alone causes people to miss meetings | 01:28 |
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| thiago_home | we should add a couple of timezones to the announcements, to help people | 01:32 |
| thiago_home | I suggest Venezuela, Nepal and the International Date Line | 01:32 |
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| DawnFoster | I always try to include a link to the world clock time converter to make it easy for people - like this: http://timeanddate.com/worldclock/fixedtime.html?day=19&month=5&year=2010&hour=19&min=0&sec=0&p1=0 | 01:40 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 01:41 |
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| CosmoHill | cyas | 02:32 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, no reason it couldn't | 02:40 |
| GAN900 | #meego-meeting-<subject> would work, too. | 02:40 |
| GAN900 | But I rather doubt we'll have any problems | 02:41 |
| GAN900 | maemo.org had way more activity than MeeGo and we've never had meeting time collision. | 02:41 |
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| Myrtti | how long will that be like that? | 02:42 |
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| DawnFoster | having a page with a list of meetings also helps people find out about meetings they might want to attend (added benefit) | 02:43 |
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| TSCHAK2_ | Termana_n810, you wouldn't happen to know where the hhtech repositories are? I am trying to build a GTK+ app on the smartQ, which is damn near impossible because gtk+ is pinned to an ultra special version. | 05:45 |
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| Vali | Hi every one | 10:19 |
| Stskeeps | welcome | 10:20 |
| Vali | i was just looking some help related to building the MeeGo for ARM | 10:20 |
| Vali | first of all i don,t know the building procedure..properly.. | 10:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, you can drop into #meego-arm as well for those things :) | 10:21 |
| Vali | i have downloaded the source code from meeGo.giturious | 10:21 |
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| Vali | i don,t either i was get the entire source code or not ..how to check that..? | 10:23 |
| Vali | actually i just downloaded the every git project present in the meeGo.giturious | 10:23 |
| Stskeeps | Vali: ok, so, what ARM chip do you want to use it on? | 10:23 |
| Vali | acctually i was planing to bring on beagle board | 10:24 |
| Vali | ARM-cortex A8 | 10:24 |
| Stskeeps | ok, then i can point you in the direction of some people who are already working on that :) | 10:24 |
| Vali | ok | 10:25 |
| Stskeeps | you don't need to recompile meego yourself as it's already compiled for armv5 (works on armv7) and armv7 | 10:25 |
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| Stskeeps | http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/Meego_on_the_Beagle | 10:26 |
| Vali | here my main intention is first understanding the Entire MeeGo build procedure | 10:26 |
| Stskeeps | OK, then you need to look into how RPM's are built from source rpms to binary rpms | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | and then OBS | 10:27 |
| Stskeeps | it is a binary distribution, you don't have to rebuild it all the time | 10:27 |
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| Vali | means here i have downloaded the like meego-middleware packages like that.. | 10:29 |
| Vali | so i have to create the rpms for all the packages | 10:29 |
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| Vali | is this correct..? | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | well, yes, but there is already a bunch of source rpms in the repositories :) | 10:29 |
| Stskeeps | and those are built inside a OBS | 10:30 |
| Vali | waht is OBS. | 10:30 |
| Stskeeps | it's a build service/builer | 10:30 |
| Vali | means meego was already providing the some RPMs in repositeries | 10:31 |
| Vali | ok | 10:31 |
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| Vali | whare i can found it.. | 10:31 |
| Stskeeps | build.opensuse.org is the software/ one instance of it | 10:32 |
| Stskeeps | repo.meego.com is where the results are put | 10:32 |
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| Vali | ok..and i have one more doubt | 10:34 |
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| Vali | suppose if i wan to create entire building environment and source for MeeGo in my PC | 10:35 |
| Vali | is there is any detailed procedure ..? | 10:35 |
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| Vali | hi StsKeeps..are u there..? | 10:40 |
| Stskeeps | i think that documentation is still being made | 10:41 |
| Vali | can u please provide the information or links related to the creating the building environment for MeeGo | 10:41 |
| Vali | ? | 10:41 |
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| Stskeeps | you have to consider that meego is a young project, but someone is working on documentation to set up your own OBS and everythin | 10:41 |
| Stskeeps | please consider that it is a hard task to have entire meego rebuilt on your own | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | it isn't your typical embedded distro :) | 10:42 |
| Stskeeps | so consider if it's worth your time | 10:42 |
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| Vali | Thanks Stskeeps For providing information with patience even i was not good at asking questions. | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | meh, every newbie is a potential contributor | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | (as long as they're willing to learn) | 10:46 |
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| Stskeeps | morning slaine | 11:27 |
| slaine | morning guys, Stskeeps | 11:27 |
| * Stskeeps tries to find some btrfs info | 11:28 | |
| Stskeeps | i wonder if a MMC can be comparable to a SSD in terms of access etc | 11:29 |
| Termana_n810 | good morning slaine | 11:29 |
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| slaine | Stskeeps: in what way ? | 11:31 |
| Stskeeps | well, in terms of wear/access etc | 11:31 |
| * Stskeeps should look at mmc protocol | 11:31 | |
| slaine | the ssd will have a controller that handles all that | 11:31 |
| slaine | a raw flash device won't, that's the fs's job | 11:31 |
| slaine | jffs2, ubifs etc. | 11:32 |
| ShadowJK | mmc isn't raw flash | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | i guess mmc is good at random access too | 11:32 |
| slaine | never used one, always thought they where | 11:32 |
| slaine | so they'd be similar to sdhc cards then ? | 11:32 |
| Stskeeps | well, when i say mmc, i mean SD and friends | 11:33 |
| ShadowJK | stskeeps: it's okay at random read | 11:33 |
| ShadowJK | it's slower than floppydisks at random write access | 11:33 |
| ShadowJK | SSDs are fast because they have friggin dual ARM CPUs and 64-256Megs of ram to work around flash issues | 11:34 |
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| ShadowJK | Stskeeps, if you've got 30-60 minutes free, this is an excellent article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/2738 | 11:55 |
| ShadowJK | This is talking about SSDs, but just imagine that MMC/SD has the same underlying chips, and wherever SSDs do something smart, SD/MMC does something stupid and cheap optimized for sequential performance ;) | 11:56 |
| ShadowJK | "The first thing I noticed about the drive was how fast everything launched." ... "wow, everything just popped up. It was like my system wasn’t even doing anything. Not even breaking a sweat." ... "I got so excited that I remember hopping on AIM to tell someone about how fast the SSD was. I had other apps running in the background and when I went to send that first IM and my machine paused. It was just for a fraction of a second, before the message I'd | 11:58 |
| ShadowJK | typed appeared in my conversation window. My system just paused." | 11:58 |
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| slaine | Got a nice take up of my email to the team leads there | 12:14 |
| Stskeeps | :crickets: | 12:15 |
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| * slaine hears a lonesome bell, tolling in the distance | 12:16 | |
| inz | For whom does it toll? | 12:16 |
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| slaine | do new new new, do new new new new neeeew | 12:17 |
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| slaine | inz, I have to play that now | 12:18 |
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| Stskeeps | slaine: i had really hoped for -some- response | 12:19 |
| inz | slaine, you're an actor? | 12:21 |
| slaine | inz, some might say that | 12:22 |
| slaine | right now I'm playing at being a software engineer | 12:23 |
| inz | slaine, I just though it sounded weird to play a book | 12:23 |
| slaine | There's also a song | 12:23 |
| sx0n | Apple spam: http://i.imgur.com/S4wlS.jpg | 12:23 |
| inz | slaine, I prefer Hemingway over Hetfield anytime ;) | 12:24 |
| slaine | lol | 12:24 |
| leinir | sx0n: lulz, this image contains many ;) | 12:25 |
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| TheBootroo | someone here tried to get DuiHome running on Linux ubuntu or Meego ? | 13:19 |
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| TheBootroo | i tried to compile the maemo6 gitorious repos on my ubuntu and libdui and duitheme worked | 13:20 |
| Stskeeps | well, that's positive :) | 13:20 |
| TheBootroo | but duicompositor and duihome don't compile | 13:20 |
| TheBootroo | it says 'undefined reference to MStatusBar' /.... | 13:20 |
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| TheBootroo | does this mean that repos are uncomplete | 13:21 |
| TheBootroo | ? | 13:21 |
| TheBootroo | also when i try to run built widgetgallery or examples or demos, i just get blak sreen | 13:22 |
| Stskeeps | try -software | 13:22 |
| TheBootroo | thanks | 13:22 |
| TheBootroo | i'll try tonight | 13:22 |
| TheBootroo | that's for rendering problems ? | 13:23 |
| Stskeeps | it enables sw rendering | 13:23 |
| TheBootroo | ok | 13:23 |
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| TheBootroo | but for compilation pb ? where is MStatusBar defined ? | 13:24 |
| Stskeeps | i'd think libdui | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo | me too | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo | logicall | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo | but libdui compiled fine | 13:25 |
| lcuk | grep for it in the sources | 13:25 |
| TheBootroo | good idea | 13:25 |
| w00t_ | TheBootroo: you need to compile libdui first, and make sure it's installed correctly | 13:26 |
| w00t_ | (as in, in /usr/ somewhere where it can be found when building the rest) | 13:26 |
| TheBootroo | i compiled it without any pb, and then installed it via 'sudo make install' | 13:26 |
| TheBootroo | and its well installed | 13:26 |
| TheBootroo | files are in /usr and there are even the pkgconfig def files ... | 13:27 |
| TheBootroo | is it possible that MStatusBar in libdui was ignored because of missing depandancies, but libdui compiled fine ? | 13:28 |
| w00t_ | it doesn't have any dependancies | 13:28 |
| TheBootroo | there are : gstreamer, qt4.6, libxml2 ... | 13:28 |
| w00t_ | outside of the normal. | 13:29 |
| TheBootroo | and i dont have 'contextactions' and some others | 13:29 |
| TheBootroo | i dont know in which package i could fine it | 13:29 |
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| Ionakka | <TheBootroo> someone here tried to get DuiHome running on Linux ubuntu or Meego ? <--- i've seen this happening few times | 13:47 |
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| Ionakka | but i wouldn't recommend doing that unless you have installation you can freely fuck up | 13:47 |
| Ionakka | <TheBootroo> but for compilation pb ? where is MStatusBar defined ? <--- should be in one bin/lib packages generated by libdui (libmeegotouch...) | 13:48 |
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| TheBootroo | i tried with -software but i get black screen, i think the problem is from mthemedaemon which says 'dont found theme' but my themes are well installed so i dont see the problem ... | 14:31 |
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| CosmoHill | Stskeeps: I saw my lecturer today and he's not allowed to help us because he's outside of contract hours | 15:02 |
| Stskeeps | heh | 15:04 |
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| OgMaciel | I was wondering if someone could lend me a hand? I Followed steps 1 and 4 from this page here: http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation_For_Beginners | 15:45 |
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| OgMaciel | once the USB image was "installed" on my USB device I plugged it to my netbook and at the prompt chose the installation method | 15:45 |
| OgMaciel | but mid-way through the boot process I saw a message saying there were no process left to start at the level | 15:46 |
| OgMaciel | and that was it | 15:46 |
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| OgMaciel | sup seiflotfy ? | 15:46 |
| seiflotfy | hi OgMaciel | 15:46 |
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| OgMaciel | seiflotfy: dude, have you installed meego via their usb image by any chance? | 15:47 |
| seiflotfy | i tried | 15:47 |
| seiflotfy | #fail | 15:47 |
| OgMaciel | yeah... | 15:48 |
| OgMaciel | same here | 15:48 |
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| RST38h | Will N97 do? =) | 16:04 |
| RST38h | sorry wrong channel | 16:05 |
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| fadiodeh | hi | 17:54 |
| fadiodeh | is this MeeGo people ?? | 17:55 |
| bostrt | fadiodeh, sure | 17:55 |
| fadiodeh | great | 17:55 |
| fadiodeh | i am new in meego community | 17:56 |
| fadiodeh | how can i help with meego project? | 17:56 |
| Stskeeps | what are you good at? | 17:56 |
| fadiodeh | strong experiance with web solutions , 8 years | 17:57 |
| Corsac | WAHa_06x36: ping | 17:57 |
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| fadiodeh | also good in design, php, .net, sql and some other tools | 17:59 |
| fadiodeh | is there anything can i help with? | 17:59 |
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| CosmoHill | fadiodeh: any experience at wikis? | 18:01 |
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| fadiodeh | anything on the web, yes | 18:03 |
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| CosmoHill | give dawn foaster a poke when she joins the channel | 18:05 |
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| CosmoHill | speak of the devil, hi DawnFoster | 18:06 |
| fadiodeh | ok | 18:06 |
| DawnFoster | uh oh :) | 18:06 |
| DawnFoster | hey CosmoHill | 18:06 |
| fadiodeh | she is there | 18:06 |
| fadiodeh | :) | 18:06 |
| CosmoHill | she has good timing | 18:06 |
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| DawnFoster | You'll have to fill me in :) | 18:07 |
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| CosmoHill | [15:56] <fadiodeh> i am new in meego community | 18:07 |
| CosmoHill | [15:56] <fadiodeh> how can i help with meego project? | 18:07 |
| CosmoHill | [15:56] <Stskeeps> what are you good at? | 18:07 |
| CosmoHill | [15:57] <fadiodeh> strong experiance with web solutions , 8 years | 18:07 |
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| CosmoHill | [15:59] <fadiodeh> also good in design, php, .net, sql and some other tools | 18:07 |
| CosmoHill | [15:59] <fadiodeh> is there anything can i help with? | 18:07 |
| DawnFoster | fadiodeh: there are a few ways to contribute to the project. | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | right now, the builds available for downloads boot into a terminal window, but the UIs will be available in a couple of weeks | 18:09 |
| DawnFoster | at that point, you can help with testing, file bugs, submit patches, etc. | 18:10 |
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| fadiodeh | ok | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | in the meantime ... | 18:10 |
| fadiodeh | how can i start? | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | we have quite a few things that we're working on for the community infrastructure | 18:10 |
| DawnFoster | Here's our current task list: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Office#Process | 18:11 |
| fadiodeh | maybe can i help with it, as a web development | 18:11 |
| DawnFoster | we're working on more specific task lists like what I've done for Metrics: http://wiki.meego.com/Metrics#To_Do_List | 18:12 |
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| DawnFoster | We have a Community Office Meeting next Tuesday if you want to join us: http://wiki.meego.com/Community_Working_Group_Meeting | 18:14 |
| fadiodeh | sure i will, i see it before | 18:15 |
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| ruikflyer | test~ | 18:17 |
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| fadiodeh | DawnFoster : also i can help with Arabic localization, if that language in relase plan | 18:24 |
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| DawnFoster | we are actively working on localization - not sure about Arabic in particular, but you should post here offering to help with Arabic: http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-il10n | 18:26 |
| fadiodeh | ok | 18:27 |
| DawnFoster | We have plenty of stuff that needs to be translated right now | 18:27 |
| DawnFoster | they are actively working on localizing strings from the netbook ui now | 18:27 |
| DawnFoster | and are going to start localizing user help in the next week or 2 (I think) | 18:27 |
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| fadiodeh | i am ready anytime to work with localization if that will help the project | 18:29 |
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| fadiodeh | i will have a look on all tasks in meego community and see how can i help | 18:36 |
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| DawnFoster | thanks fadiodeh - we appreciate any help you can provide! | 18:41 |
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| fadiodeh | i will try my best to help with this project, i just like this project a lot, thanks for everybody here | 18:44 |
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| slaine | DawnFoster: have you heard back from Amy ? | 18:44 |
| DawnFoster | slaine: not yet, but I just saw her in the office | 18:45 |
| slaine | Ah, so she's not in Dublin yet then :) | 18:45 |
| DawnFoster | not yet :) I think she leaves tomorrow | 18:46 |
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| slaine | Ok, so pints tonight isn't going to work :) | 18:49 |
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| DawnFoster | and I think she's only going to be in Dublin for less than 24 hours :) | 18:52 |
| slaine | that's some commute :) | 18:53 |
| slaine | Is this a case of, yes, I've seen the venue and it will hold that many people ? | 18:54 |
| DawnFoster | that's part of it. We have some specific questions about the venue and the nearby hotels. We decided that the quickest way to resolve it was to ship her over there :) | 18:55 |
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| slaine | Ah, to have money | 18:55 |
| CosmoHill | sounds nice | 18:56 |
| pupnik | someone should learn to configure their IRC client | 18:56 |
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| CosmoHill | hehe | 18:56 |
| CosmoHill | so there will be a meego thing in dublin? | 18:57 |
| slaine | if it comes off I'll be happy, obviously :) | 18:57 |
| DawnFoster | dublin is the leading location for the meego conference in november | 18:57 |
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| * CosmoHill adds ryanair.com to his list of flashy crap sites | 18:59 | |
| slaine | it's awful | 19:00 |
| CosmoHill | I can see 6 things flashing at me and I've not even scrolled | 19:00 |
| slaine | there's other airlines come here though, you don't have to go ryanair | 19:00 |
| CosmoHill | on the plus side it asked if a short trip was intentional | 19:00 |
| lcuk | DawnFoster, how many intel folks are there in dublin and is the hop from your offices to there a common well walked path by you guys? | 19:00 |
| DawnFoster | we still need to confirm the dublin location | 19:00 |
| slaine | lcuk, There's none | 19:01 |
| CosmoHill | what date would it be if there was one? | 19:01 |
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| DawnFoster | we have some questions before we'll sign the contract with them | 19:01 |
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| lcuk | slaine, i thought intel had manufacturing/offices in dublin? | 19:01 |
| lcuk | "can we play football on the pitch" | 19:01 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: in all likely hood i won't go | 19:01 |
| DawnFoster | November 15-17 (or 16-18) sometime that week | 19:01 |
| CosmoHill | but it's nice to look | 19:01 |
| DawnFoster | if we do it in dublin | 19:01 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 19:02 |
| CosmoHill | ryanair don't fly in november | 19:02 |
| slaine | lcuk, no, there's a campus in Shannon, Co. Clare, west coast of ireland | 19:02 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk / slaine - there is an office in Ireland www.intel.com/ireland/ but we don't have anyone working on MeeGo out of there. | 19:03 |
| DawnFoster | it's mostly manufacturing and research | 19:03 |
| slaine | There's a manufacturing facility in Lexslip, Co. Kildaire, also | 19:03 |
| slaine | but no dublin offices that I'm aware of | 19:03 |
| CosmoHill | I keep forgetting that my nearest airport is "london" even tho it's 45 miles away from london | 19:03 |
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| slaine | CosmoHill: that's why ryanair suck | 19:04 |
| pupnik | ryanair is incredible | 19:04 |
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| lcuk | slaine, DawnFoster my mistake then i did a search for dublin intel and came up with loads of references and even intel jobs there etc | 19:04 |
| slaine | DawnFoster: There's some work being done out in Shannon i belive, there's an embedded group out there | 19:04 |
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| slaine | lcuk, You could get a bunny suit :) | 19:05 |
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| lcuk | \o/ | 19:05 |
| DawnFoster | it's certainly possible that people are working on meego in Ireland - it's a big company :) | 19:05 |
| lcuk | do they do tours of manufacturing plants? | 19:05 |
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| slaine | If there was a dublin office I'd apply for a job | 19:05 |
| DawnFoster | lcuk: not typically | 19:05 |
| DawnFoster | Security concerns, bunny suits, etc :) | 19:06 |
| CosmoHill | slaine: i know my dad has gone to work in london in the morning and then flown to dublin in the afternoon | 19:06 |
| lcuk | and i guess the fad of them dancing whilst making chips has waned somewhat | 19:06 |
| DawnFoster | as far as you know ... | 19:06 |
| slaine | lcuk, No, they still do it, I've been there | 19:06 |
| w00t_ | lol | 19:06 |
| slaine | the media lost interest, that's all | 19:06 |
| lcuk | good to hear | 19:06 |
| DawnFoster | don't forget that we have rock stars, too | 19:06 |
| slaine | I applied for a job there as a student in the fab, I was turned down :( | 19:07 |
| slaine | They said I'd only leave as soon as I got a programmers job | 19:07 |
| lcuk | slaine, you were made of the wrong type of silicon | 19:07 |
| slaine | Well d'uh | 19:07 |
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| lcuk | DawnFoster, undeniably intel has great many innovations under its collective belt | 19:09 |
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| * CosmoHill blinks | 19:10 | |
| CosmoHill | 7 ~ 8 hours from liverpool to dublin | 19:10 |
| CosmoHill | (ferry) | 19:10 |
| lcuk | thats the pubwalk route | 19:10 |
| slaine | CosmoHill: the sea cat is pretty fast | 19:11 |
| CosmoHill | that doesn't include the 6 hour drive to get to liverpool | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | (tbh I'm only looking at how to get there cos it's better than project management) | 19:12 |
| CosmoHill | it will take me 3 hours from wales | 19:12 |
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| slaine | One year, when I lived on the Isle of Man, I got the ferry to liverpool, got the train to london, got a train to swanly, meet a friend and some of his mates, drove to silverstone to watch the grandprix, got a lift to some train station, got the train to rugby, got the train from rugby to lancaster and then the ferry back to the isle of man | 19:14 |
| slaine | I was shattered when I got back to my flat | 19:14 |
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| slaine | sigh | 19:16 |
| slaine | it was almost as tiring as typing that out | 19:16 |
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| CosmoHill | if i go to the meego thing but not orical I'm stupid | 19:17 |
| CosmoHill | since the meego one would be a lot further out of my comfort zone | 19:17 |
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| TSCHAKeee | lbt: do you still have your original joggler firmware somewhere? | 19:34 |
| * TSCHAKeee asking before he blasts the joggler to hell | 19:34 | |
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| CosmoHill | I'm sure I left it somewhere around here | 19:47 |
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| pupnik | so is building an rpm simpler than a deb? i forgot | 19:47 |
| CosmoHill | I tried building both when I hadn't built either before and RPM5 won | 19:49 |
| OgMaciel | has anyone installed meego using the usbimage? | 19:49 |
| pupnik | yes | 19:50 |
| OgMaciel | it fails to properly function when I try the install method | 19:50 |
| CosmoHill | I can't install it but i can run the live version | 19:50 |
| OgMaciel | and the live version brings me to a console | 19:50 |
| OgMaciel | I can login ok, but what about the graphical environment? | 19:51 |
| pupnik | wait a few weeks | 19:51 |
| OgMaciel | was afraid someone would say that hehehe | 19:51 |
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| Efan | Hello Every one | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 20:01 |
| Efan | I am actually new born in Meego and Qt and need some help | 20:01 |
| CosmoHill | what would you like some help with? | 20:01 |
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| Efan | I have installed Meego on my NokiaN900 successfuly, But really dont know how to build my simple helloworld Qt example on this N900 which has Meego | 20:02 |
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| thiago_home | well, there's no application SDK yet | 20:03 |
| CosmoHill | I would imagine that you would cross-compile it from a computer | 20:03 |
| thiago_home | the next best thing is the Nokia Qt SDK. If you download the support for N900, the app might run inside MeeGo too. | 20:03 |
| Efan | Right from my windows machine | 20:03 |
| thiago_home | yes, right from your windows machine | 20:03 |
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| CosmoHill | Nokia have a Qt Creator that runs on Windows, Mac and Linux | 20:04 |
| Efan | I have installed beta version of Nokia mobile SDK and I can see creator but really dont knwo how to cross compile my helloword for nokia900 | 20:04 |
| thiago_home | the instructions should be on forum.nokia.com. You need to set up the connection to the N900, and you need to change your project settings to add an N900 build. | 20:05 |
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| Efan | Thiago_home: Do you know of any writup or tutorial which can guide me step be step how to do it ?? can you please point me to that? | 20:07 |
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| thiago_home | like I said, all of this should be in forum.nokia.com | 20:08 |
| thiago_home | but I don't know the details | 20:08 |
| thiago_home | I built my own cross-compiling toolchain... | 20:08 |
| Efan | Okay let me explore forum.nokia stuff | 20:08 |
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| Efan | I was wondering does Meego has any Windowmanager or Xwindow?? | 20:09 |
| tripzero | yes | 20:10 |
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| tripzero | both X11 and a windowmanager | 20:10 |
| tripzero | which windowmanager depends on the UX | 20:10 |
| Efan | Okay so it means then I can use Meego windowmanager while writing Qt application and prevent Qt to use its own QWS, am I right? | 20:11 |
| arjan | whatever windowmanager meego uses for a specific device | 20:11 |
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| arjan | QT apps are guaranteed to work well since that's what all apps are (to be) written in | 20:12 |
| CosmoHill | hey arjan | 20:12 |
| Efan | Okay but which Window Manger that Qt apps uses, does it uses its own or Meegos WM | 20:13 |
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| arjan | there is only one window manager on the system | 20:13 |
| arjan | you cannot have two. | 20:13 |
| tripzero | all X apps will use the window manager that's on the sys | 20:13 |
| arjan | the window manager is the coordinator... you really cannot have two active at a time | 20:14 |
| arjan | would be like having 2 independent air traffic controllers owning JFK/EWR air space | 20:14 |
| arjan | big big mess | 20:14 |
| tripzero | could be funny though | 20:15 |
| lbt | hmm is there a meego build tool group? | 20:15 |
| Efan | agreed, but when you cross compile Qt you can use QWS for your embedded target even if target has WM correct me If am wrong | 20:15 |
| tripzero | Efan, if you are using the Qt that comes with meego, you won't have to worry about it | 20:16 |
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| Efan | tripzero: Does Qt comes with Meego ?? I could nt see that, I have installed Meego and Qt separately | 20:17 |
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| tripzero | Efan, right now, I think the current dev images of meego are just the core OS. in the future they will have a full X envi and Qt | 20:18 |
| slaine | Hey arjan | 20:18 |
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| Efan | tripezero:yup thats what mee to have read some where. But at the present I want to use Qt on Meego on Nokia N900, I am having difficulty in running my Qt example, infact I dont knwo how to build my Qt example for NokiaN900 having Meego, I am exploring Nokia Forum for this but still to find any significant help | 20:20 |
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| * thiago_home points out that the air traffic control over Germany uses tools written with Qt | 20:21 | |
| CosmoHill | :o | 20:21 |
| Efan | :) | 20:21 |
| lbt | thiago_home: only one window manager I hope | 20:21 |
| thiago_home | lbt: I have no idea if they use window managers in their systems | 20:22 |
| thiago_home | no clue what kind of systems those are | 20:22 |
| lbt | heh - you missed arjan's comment | 20:22 |
| thiago_home | lbt: no, I didn't. That's why I talked about traffic control. :-) | 20:22 |
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| thiago_home | Efan: if you go to the Project settings, you should be able to add targets to run on N900. | 20:23 |
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| Efan | Thanx Thiago, I have got one tutorial sort of thing on forum I am reading this looks like it is helpful | 20:24 |
| Passeli | Efan: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/a075d8cc-dc4e-4926-8faa-9d926c20a3d7/Getting_Started_with_Nokia_Qt_SDK.html | 20:24 |
| tripzero | so this is an important question: if meego is the offspring of moblin and maemo, is moblin the daddy and maemo the mommy or vice-versa? | 20:24 |
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| Efan | Passeli: Thx i am already looking into it | 20:25 |
| jusliukk | tripzero, considering that the packaging system comes from moblin and about half the content from maemo… ;) | 20:25 |
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| slaine | jusliukk: what content, the xterm ? | 20:27 |
| slaine | :) | 20:27 |
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| jusliukk | :) | 20:27 |
| * thiago_home wonders what the other half is | 20:28 | |
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| petteri | users come from maemo :D | 20:38 |
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| slaine | Oooo, that's a low blow petteri | 20:41 |
| petteri | yes it is :D | 20:41 |
| GAN900 | Community, too. :P | 20:42 |
| Efan | thiago: I just open an existing example and trying to cross compile it for N900, I dont see any option in to build for N900 though I do see build for Maemo, when I m trying to build for maemo get hell of compile error in "qatomic_windows.h" Looks like I m missing something any idea? | 20:49 |
| thiago_home | Efan: I don't know what it could be | 20:49 |
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| Efan | Okay I think I should Re read that long pdf file :) | 20:51 |
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| Stskeeps | evening | 21:24 |
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| thiago_home | evening | 21:24 |
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| w00t_ | evening | 21:30 |
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| Myrtti | goddamnit I hate this bloody hotel from the bottom of my bloody heart | 21:33 |
| w00t_ | Myrtti: all hotels are evil | 21:33 |
| w00t_ | i am firmly convinced of this fact | 21:34 |
| Myrtti | atleast today would be burger night | 21:34 |
| slaine | I'm for a pint and burger right now with the irish linux users group | 21:34 |
| slaine | later | 21:34 |
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| rektide | is there a media player as a part of meego? | 21:35 |
| rektide | i cant find anything on gitorious | 21:36 |
| Stskeeps | well, some people claim banshee | 21:36 |
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| arjan | rektide: reference media player depends on which device category you're talking about | 21:36 |
| arjan | for netbook currently it's a banshee variant | 21:36 |
| arjan | but it also depends on who is actually deploying meego | 21:37 |
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| arjan | OEMs are free to replace the media player with whatever they want (just like they can do for all reference applications.. that's why they are "reference") | 21:37 |
| rektide | i never tried moblin | 21:37 |
| rektide | but it looked like it was trying to do something original | 21:37 |
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| rektide | bognor-regis, a media daemon | 21:37 |
| rektide | apparently taht effort has gone the way of the dodo | 21:38 |
| tripzero | oh? | 21:39 |
| rektide | i'm far from certain, i just dont see it in the meego gitorious repos anywhere | 21:40 |
| tripzero | not everything is in there currently | 21:41 |
| arjan | we're using tracker for media indexing now | 21:41 |
| tripzero | i didn't think bognor did media indexing | 21:42 |
| rektide | yeah i saw that. from the one line description of this Debian package, bognor looks more like a playing / queue daemon | 21:42 |
| rektide | ala MPD, Music Playing Daemon, if you're familiar with that | 21:42 |
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| tripzero | rektide, as is my understanding. I don't recall what moblin used for media indexing before | 21:43 |
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| rektide | there's a dbus spec MPRIS floating about, for controlling media players via dbus | 21:44 |
| rektide | havent found the bognor source, yet | 21:45 |
| rektide | but i imagine it'll be interesting to compare and contrast | 21:45 |
| tripzero | looks like it is no longer on git.moblin.org | 21:45 |
| rektide | and of course theres upnp/dlna. gupnp project seems to have really taken off. | 21:45 |
| rektide | BAH | 21:45 |
| rektide | (((i hadnt even found git.moblin.org yet, still cruising moblin.org))) | 21:45 |
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| rektide | again i am not familiar with what bognor actually was | 21:51 |
| rektide | http://git.moblin.org/cgit.cgi/deprecated/gstreamer-dbus-media-service/tree/gst-media-service | 21:51 |
| rektide | that seems kind of inline | 21:51 |
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| rektide | grep for @dbus.service.method 's to see its capabilities | 21:51 |
| rektide | a daemon for handling media | 21:51 |
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| rektide | hehe deb-src ftw | 21:55 |
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| CosmoHill | what's it called when you write code to test the functionality, but it's not in the programming language of the final system? | 22:04 |
| Corsac | testsuite? | 22:04 |
| Corsac | unit test? | 22:04 |
| CosmoHill | persudo code or something like that? | 22:05 |
| Stskeeps | something the code monkies takes care of | 22:05 |
| lcuk | pseudo code | 22:05 |
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| lcuk | fake incomplete outline of the process | 22:05 |
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| * CosmoHill has a weird feeling that his friend has gone AFK and his little brother is on the PC | 22:07 | |
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| rektide | theres not really any name for writing tests in a different language | 22:08 |
| Stskeeps | i'm wondering since tsg is every other week, to have some kind of meeting in the inbetweens where people gather to discuss general concerns about meego or something | 22:08 |
| CosmoHill | I've put "pseudo code was written in php", that should do | 22:09 |
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| thiago_home | Stskeeps: I'd say, organise it | 22:09 |
| Stskeeps | then again having every other wednesday evening off does sound appealing :P | 22:10 |
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| Isac | Hi all | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | evening Isac | 22:11 |
| Isac | I was wondering if some one can help how to compile Qt on Meego | 22:11 |
| Stskeeps | compile a qt app or compile qt | 22:11 |
| Isac | ultimately goal is to compile Qt app , so compileing qt app on meego will help :) | 22:12 |
| Stskeeps | okay, so, initially i would suggest you to wait for meego 1.0 - if you really need it, qt is already compiled and in the repositories. | 22:13 |
| thiago_home | Isac: what do you have for a toolchain now? | 22:13 |
| thiago_home | and are you building for ARM or for Atom? | 22:14 |
| Isac | ah I forgot to mention here that I m trying to write some application for Nokia N900 for ovi | 22:14 |
| Isac | ARM | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | well, meego on n900? | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | because there's no ovi for meego (yet) | 22:14 |
| thiago_home | well, if you're targetting Maemo 5 on the N900 (not MeeGo on the N900), you should use the Nokia Qt SDK. | 22:14 |
| Isac | yes I installed Meego on N900 | 22:14 |
| Stskeeps | .. depending on perspective | 22:14 |
| thiago_home | most users will not install MeeGo on it | 22:14 |
| jwhite | forgive the newb question, but is the easiest way to test drive latest + greatest meego to download + install the 0331 usb stick, and then yum update that? | 22:15 |
| Isac | I am very sure in coming days OVI will have meego, so I m starting in advance | 22:15 |
| thiago_home | yes, Ovi will definitely have MeeGo, because Nokia will have MeeGo devices | 22:16 |
| thiago_home | but MeeGo on the N900 is not supported | 22:16 |
| thiago_home | besides, you can target the N900 today with Maemo 5 | 22:16 |
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| Isac | Hmm at the moment it is not supported but on meego.com they say it will be in future and taking help from meego,com only i was able to install meego on N900 | 22:17 |
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| thiago_home | right | 22:18 |
| lcuk | thiago_home, is there any reason to believe a standard qt application written today will be incompatible with meego? | 22:18 |
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| thiago_home | again, my point is that most users of the N900 will not install MeeGo on their devices | 22:18 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: nope, if you stick to cross-platform Qt API | 22:18 |
| thiago_home | aside from the .deb packaging, that is | 22:19 |
| thiago_home | note that the QtMaemo5 API is not part of the cross-platform offering | 22:19 |
| thiago_home | MeeGo uses the standard X11 port | 22:19 |
| lcuk | right, so he can do what he wants, make qt apps now, supported on maemo fremantle and hopefully ovi, then when meego comes along can just tick a box or whatever will be needed, submit to meego repo and bob will be his uncle? | 22:19 |
| thiago_home | yeah | 22:20 |
| Isac | Luck: well idea is somethign like that | 22:20 |
| lcuk | the app itself would not need rewriting unless it uses specifics - but the packaging may? | 22:20 |
| thiago_home | debian control files will not be very useful in RPM | 22:20 |
| lcuk | yeah of course | 22:20 |
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| thiago_home | by the way, if you stick to Qt cross-platform API, your app will probably run on Symbian too | 22:21 |
| thiago_home | it's so ingenious they should make a strategy out of this :-P | 22:21 |
| lcuk | then go over the qt api with a highlighter pen and show which pathways are best for multiplatform | 22:22 |
| lcuk | what packaging format does symbian use? | 22:23 |
| thiago_home | sis | 22:23 |
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| lcuk | can a qt app cotnain the multiple packaging targets? | 22:24 |
| Myrtti | bah, I wish my computer had more oomph in it - I can't even watch the videos I recorded myself with this bloody thing | 22:24 |
| lcuk | contain | 22:24 |
| lcuk | jeees Myrtti | 22:24 |
| thiago_home | lcuk: Qt doesn't include packaging | 22:24 |
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| Isac | thiago: you said meego is not supported on N900, did you mean at the moement or some how you have this news that it will never be supported, we here in our freiend circle has this assumption that N900 will have Meego in future | 22:25 |
| lcuk | doesnt that raise the barrier to entry somewhat? | 22:25 |
| lcuk | even VB has multiple packaging methods | 22:25 |
| * lcuk remembers the package and deployment wizard well | 22:25 | |
| Isac | thiago:if meego will not be supported in future then our whole plan will be Fu.. up | 22:26 |
| Myrtti | ooh mplayer love | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | Isac: meego (the project) has a hardware adaptation team for meego. this is not nokia product | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | for meego=for n900 | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | albeit a lot of nokians are paid to be involved | 22:26 |
| Stskeeps | Isac: if it would be productized by nokia, who knows | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | you need a working hardware adaptation no matter what :) | 22:27 |
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| Isac | evey wehre I m reading that now maemo will no more exists and only meego would be there it means Nokia will have only Meego on its devices | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | maemo5 still has life | 22:28 |
| Isac | does this mean that N900 will always have maemo (version 5) and will never update?? | 22:28 |
| thiago_home | Isac: there will be MeeGo versions for the N900 | 22:29 |
| Isac | once development in maemo is stopped then N900 will never have further improvment in it | 22:29 |
| thiago_home | but you can expect that most users will not upgrade | 22:29 |
| Stskeeps | Isac: n900 is reference device for meego arm | 22:29 |
| GAN900 | Isac, absolute terms like that don't work in open source. | 22:30 |
| lcuk | the question then thiago_home is why? | 22:30 |
| thiago_home | because it's hard | 22:30 |
| thiago_home | and because the necessary QA work to deliver the image of a phone is very, very long | 22:30 |
| GAN900 | What that means is an exercise for the reader. ;) | 22:30 |
| thiago_home | that too | 22:30 |
| lcuk | believe me thiago_home i know all about that | 22:30 |
| GAN900 | lcuk, clearly because Nokia isn't providing an official, supported upgrade path. ;) | 22:30 |
| Stskeeps | upgrading to meego would be a mess | 22:31 |
| GAN900 | You heard it here first, folks! ;) | 22:31 |
| Stskeeps | ie, ssu like thing | 22:31 |
| GAN900 | and Nokia doesn't really give two shits about their existing customer base | 22:31 |
| lcuk | ssu is tricky even OS to OS | 22:31 |
| thiago_home | and, of course, GAN900 as usual blows things out of proportion | 22:31 |
| GAN900 | They're like all phone companies: only new customers matter. | 22:31 |
| lcuk | i dont think anyone would expect to transition data too | 22:31 |
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| thiago_home | there's a lot of work still going on the N900 | 22:32 |
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| lcuk | if theres going to be dev images there all the way up to it being ready whats the difference | 22:32 |
| GAN900 | thiago_home, hey, man, tell that to all of the Maemo devices I has in drawers. | 22:32 |
| GAN900 | s/has/have | 22:32 |
| lcuk | im involved with it thiago_home | 22:32 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: there is a lot of resources being thrown at the hw adaptation at least | 22:32 |
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| thiago_home | like I said, MeeGo will run on the N900 | 22:33 |
| thiago_home | (it does already, duh) | 22:33 |
| thiago_home | but it will not be supported the same way that Fremantle is | 22:34 |
| GAN900 | Define "MeeGo". :) | 22:34 |
| GAN900 | Which is unfortunate | 22:34 |
| thiago_home | yes, it's unfortunate | 22:34 |
| thiago_home | but resources are limited | 22:34 |
| * GAN900 imagines where Maemo would be if Nokia would get behind the platform. | 22:34 | |
| GAN900 | Yes, because Nokia execs are shortsighted dinosaurs. | 22:34 |
| w00t_ | GAN900: you're being cynical and bitter again | 22:34 |
| w00t_ | ;) | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Maemo would be where Symbian is now | 22:35 |
| RST38h | Slow, and kinky, and disliked by humanity | 22:35 |
| GAN900 | w00t_, well, come on. | 22:35 |
| RST38h | But don't you worry General, it is getting there | 22:36 |
| w00t_ | "kinky" is one of the better descriptions I've heard for symbian | 22:36 |
| GAN900 | Limited resources isn't a valid excuse | 22:36 |
| * w00t_ writes that one down | 22:36 | |
| thiago_home | GAN900: it's not an excuse | 22:36 |
| lcuk | maemo is kinky but in a nice way - its one of the most open platforms around | 22:36 |
| thiago_home | it's reality | 22:36 |
| thiago_home | there are only so many people in the payroll, and the money only goes so far | 22:36 |
| GAN900 | It's not like it's an impossible task, providing support to your customers for a reasonable period of time. | 22:36 |
| GAN900 | Most of the competition seems to manage it. | 22:37 |
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| RST38h | "open" does not sell, but a working mail client does | 22:37 |
| Stskeeps | GAN900: is a nice gesture to start a system that could run on 770 too though | 22:37 |
| RST38h | (e.g. Blackberry) | 22:37 |
| RST38h | General: If Nokia supports your current phone, you wont buy a new one | 22:37 |
| thiago_home | the only competition that really supports older versions is Apple | 22:37 |
| Isac | Hey guys I m confused a bit, here is my story pl advice | 22:38 |
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| thiago_home | but the iPhones are basically the same device one year after the other | 22:38 |
| RST38h | is that bad? | 22:38 |
| w00t_ | it's a statement of fact | 22:38 |
| thiago_home | depends on your point of view | 22:38 |
| w00t_ | not a judgement | 22:38 |
| thiago_home | some people think it's good, some thing it's bad | 22:38 |
| thiago_home | I was reading an analysis today about this | 22:38 |
| * RST38h , for once, would prefer Diablo UI to Fremantle UI | 22:38 | |
| RST38h | Diablo UI felt complete and well thought out | 22:39 |
| thiago_home | if you're developing for that platform, you know what to expect. There's absolutely no variance. | 22:39 |
| Isac | ah leave it bye | 22:39 |
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| RST38h | thiago: Except for Steve Jobs and the toilet plunger he has up your ass | 22:39 |
| Myrtti | you scared him away | 22:39 |
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| thiago_home | but it also means it doesn't get new features. I've seen people commenting that they wanted more buttons. | 22:40 |
| RST38h | Ah, rejoice, iPhone 4G is getting more buttons | 22:40 |
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| lcuk | if qt's raison detre to be cross platform compatible? and once its done once its not needed to be done again | 22:41 |
| lcuk | so making it work for n900 once (as is happening/happened already) why does it take more investment? | 22:42 |
| thiago_home | well, no, the raison d'être is to be the best toolkit for making apps | 22:42 |
| thiago_home | sorry? | 22:42 |
| w00t_ | I believe he's saying: "if the software is written, why can't it run on older devices, as Qt works fine there?" | 22:43 |
| thiago_home | it could | 22:43 |
| lcuk | hell, if the developers of meego follow qt best practices, the n8x0 should run it? | 22:43 |
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| thiago_home | but we're talking about the full platform here. For example, phone application. | 22:44 |
| thiago_home | The N900 doesn't have ofono. Making ofono work on the N900 hardware won't be easy. | 22:44 |
| thiago_home | will it be done? Don't ask me. | 22:44 |
| thiago_home | but Nokia will not support it for the official images, recommending for Joe End-user, without serious testing | 22:44 |
| thiago_home | and that's where the resource problem applies: testing takes a LONG time and effort | 22:45 |
| lcuk | as stated i understand the testing required and appreciate the time required | 22:46 |
| thiago_home | right, but GAN900 dismissed the argument | 22:46 |
| w00t_ | which is where device variance really comes to bite you in the ass | 22:47 |
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| lcuk | when is ofono meant to hit its 1.0. | 22:48 |
| lcuk | ? | 22:48 |
| thiago_home | you have to ask marcel | 22:48 |
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| lcuk | you said earlier you have meego on n900 now, can you say if is it making calls with ofono? | 22:49 |
| thiago_home | I don't have it running | 22:51 |
| thiago_home | but I don't believe it makes calls yet. The HW adaptation will take longer. I could be wrong though. | 22:51 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: you going to be in oslo early juneish? | 22:51 |
| thiago_home | yes | 22:51 |
| w00t_ | excellent | 22:52 |
| thiago_home | but you need to tell me in advance | 22:52 |
| microlith | iirc, Jebba had oFono running on the N900 under Redhat | 22:52 |
| thiago_home | trips happen at last-minute notice | 22:52 |
| lcuk | microlith, wicked! | 22:52 |
| w00t_ | I'm heading through on my way to trondheim, so I'm kind of wondering if there's a chance to meet up with you and the rest of the crowd is all | 22:52 |
| lcuk | thats surely a positive sign | 22:53 |
| thiago_home | sure | 22:53 |
| thiago_home | again, let me know | 22:53 |
| * w00t_ nods | 22:53 | |
| thiago_home | 8-11 are bad days, though | 22:53 |
| microlith | http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Jebba/Ofono | 22:53 |
| w00t_ | uh oh | 22:53 |
| w00t_ | why? :-P | 22:53 |
| w00t_ | (I think we might be flying on the 10th..) | 22:53 |
| Myrtti | w00t_: Akademy | 22:54 |
| * Myrtti guesses | 22:54 | |
| w00t_ | isn't that july? | 22:54 |
| thiago_home | that's july | 22:54 |
| lcuk | july | 22:54 |
| * Myrtti goes to buy new set of eyes | 22:54 | |
| thiago_home | june 10 we have our yearly summer party | 22:54 |
| lcuk | as i found out yesterday in an almost identical conversation | 22:54 |
| lcuk | lol Myrtti | 22:55 |
| Myrtti | I'm trying to listen to a talk from the linux collab summit at the same time, give mercy | 22:55 |
| lcuk | and the 11th is spent tryingto unhandcuff himself from the lamppost | 22:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | hm bummer | 22:55 |
| Myrtti | s/give/have/ | 22:55 |
| infobot | Myrtti meant: I'm trying to listen to a talk from the linux collab summit at the same time, have mercy | 22:55 |
| TSCHAKeee | i thought isimodem under ofono worked enough for phone calls | 22:55 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: oh dear, drunk trolls? | 22:55 |
| w00t_ | Myrtti: multitasking ftw | 22:55 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: drunk and tired trolls, celebrating Norwegian Summer | 22:56 |
| * w00t_ nods | 22:56 | |
| Myrtti | w00t_: also trying to write blogposts | 22:56 |
| w00t_ | I can't wait to get over there | 22:56 |
| w00t_ | I love summer in .no | 22:56 |
| thiago_home | so do I | 22:56 |
| thiago_home | but the office is too warm | 22:56 |
| * OgMaciel would love to visit .no | 22:56 | |
| thiago_home | orospakr: 21:57 here, sky is still bright | 22:57 |
| thiago_home | not day, but still bright | 22:57 |
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| w00t_ | midnight sun++ | 22:57 |
| w00t_ | :P | 22:57 |
| thiago_home | no, you have to go much further North for that | 22:57 |
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| thiago_home | Oslo is just shy of 60°N | 22:58 |
| w00t_ | well yeah, but it's still quite bright | 22:58 |
| w00t_ | (i presume - never been to osl, only trd) | 22:58 |
| thiago_home | Tampere, however, is 62°N | 22:58 |
| thiago_home | so in the first week of July, there is no night | 22:58 |
| thiago_home | only daytime and twilight | 22:58 |
| * w00t_ is -still- undecided about going to akademy | 22:59 | |
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| lcuk | w00t_, is your GSOC student from around there? | 23:01 |
| lcuk | it would be a good central place for you to get to meet him if so | 23:01 |
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| * thiago_home thinks Tampere is anything but central | 23:01 | |
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| lcuk | ok not quite the right word | 23:01 |
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| w00t_ | lcuk: no, student is kamilla, so I already know her pretty well :p - though this reminds me, I need to check she's found her way around Qt's modelview stuff | 23:02 |
| w00t_ | brik: ^^ | 23:02 |
| thiago_home | poor student | 23:02 |
| * lcuk does not know your relationship to kamilla | 23:03 | |
| w00t_ | lcuk: other half | 23:03 |
| lcuk | o_O | 23:03 |
| lcuk | isnt there laws about that sort of thing :p | 23:03 |
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| thiago_home | there should be laws against teaching modelview | 23:03 |
| w00t_ | hahaha | 23:03 |
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| lcuk | lol | 23:03 |
| w00t_ | thiago_home: you don't like it? | 23:04 |
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| * brik waves | 23:04 | |
| thiago_home | I don't know it, actually | 23:04 |
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| thiago_home | but Interview is one of the technologies recognised as flawed in Qt | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | it was rushed in 4.0, before it was ready | 23:04 |
| w00t_ | I dislike parts of it, delegates not knowing much/anything about the view it's working for is absolutely irritating | 23:04 |
| thiago_home | when was the last time you needed a hierarchical table? | 23:04 |
| w00t_ | hehe. | 23:05 |
| w00t_ | yes | 23:05 |
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| thiago_home | or changing the model in a combobox? | 23:05 |
| w00t_ | trying to jam scematics of lists and tables together is, urm, interesting | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | w00t_: tables, list and trees | 23:05 |
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| thiago_home | it's a hierarchical table | 23:05 |
| RST38h | like...yesterday? | 23:05 |
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| w00t_ | sorry, trees, yeah | 23:05 |
| w00t_ | forgot that one | 23:05 |
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| thiago_home | RST38h: sorry, I meant the view | 23:05 |
| RST38h | hierarchical view, yes | 23:05 |
| RST38h | pretty common | 23:05 |
| thiago_home | ever tried clicking the tree-expansion + sign in a drop-down popup of a combobox? | 23:06 |
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| RST38h | no but then I have not see any | 23:06 |
| RST38h | seen | 23:06 |
| thiago_home | set a tree view in your combobox | 23:06 |
| thiago_home | and how often do you display the same model in more than one different type of view? | 23:07 |
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| w00t_ | that does actually happen | 23:07 |
| w00t_ | (I've doen that fairly often) | 23:07 |
| lcuk | wouldnt that come up with nice bold header items (does bugzilla do that?) | 23:07 |
| * lcuk sees data like that in combos, but not with foldup branches | 23:07 | |
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| thiago_home | lcuk: that's different. I meant like a collapsed tree inside the drop-down. | 23:07 |
| w00t_ | e.g. in a file browser, icon view, list of files view, tree view | 23:07 |
| thiago_home | that's true, of course | 23:08 |
| thiago_home | but that doesn't need to be reflected in the API | 23:08 |
| w00t_ | it isn't, as far as I know | 23:08 |
| w00t_ | the model has no idea what view it is attached to | 23:08 |
| w00t_ | it just provides the information the view asks for | 23:08 |
| thiago_home | that's the point | 23:09 |
| thiago_home | the QAbstractItemModel class is too abstract | 23:09 |
| thiago_home | it could be designed for convenience, for being just a list or a table model | 23:09 |
| w00t_ | well, that is why QAbstractListModel and QAbstractTableModel exist though | 23:09 |
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| thiago_home | ItemViews-NG has a more convenient API | 23:10 |
| lcuk | other than that, w00t_ are you finding the class structures ok? | 23:10 |
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| w00t_ | thiago_home: short view: I'd definitely like to see improvements, yes. | 23:10 |
| w00t_ | ;p | 23:10 |
| lcuk | or rather, brik are you liking them! | 23:10 |
| lcuk | you can PM if you like | 23:10 |
| * lcuk giggles | 23:10 | |
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| mikhas | err, you claim that you can use an abstract model in more than one view? my findings on formatting the model's data teached me that each view needs its own proxy model anyway | 23:14 |
| mikhas | it's because view's responsibilities leaked in the model what made QAIM useless | 23:14 |
| mikhas | s/in/into | 23:15 |
| w00t_ | you can use an instance of a model for multiple views, yes | 23:15 |
| w00t_ | (without a proxy) | 23:15 |
| mikhas | it is near useless though | 23:15 |
| mikhas | sort them in one view | 23:15 |
| mikhas | they get sorted in all other views | 23:15 |
| w00t_ | sorting isn't using | 23:15 |
| mikhas | w/e | 23:15 |
| w00t_ | my use was purely display | 23:15 |
| w00t_ | for sorting on different views, yeah, you'll probably need QSortFilterProxyModel instances inbetween | 23:16 |
| brik | lcuk: seems okay so far ^^ | 23:17 |
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| lcuk | brik, remember though you are developing facebrick application, dont go too hard on him ;) | 23:17 |
| w00t_ | vice versa | 23:18 |
| w00t_ | I'll have to make sure I don't work her to death | 23:18 |
| brik | I suppose I could ask you a shit load of questions | 23:19 |
| lcuk | lol | 23:19 |
| lcuk | anyway time for me to wander off, got some python to fiddle with | 23:20 |
| lcuk | \o laterz everyone | 23:20 |
| w00t_ | lcuk: let me know how it goes ;) | 23:20 |
| lcuk | sure will w00t_ but tonight im gonna just be mucking about with regular desktop widgets | 23:21 |
| lcuk | ive got some apps i need to see if i can make in it, still finding my footing somewhat | 23:21 |
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| Myrtti | hm, have I eaten yet today? | 23:28 |
| Myrtti | I believe I haven't | 23:28 |
| w00t_ | Myrtti: when you have to ask that question, you're in dangerous territory | 23:29 |
| w00t_ | :P | 23:29 |
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| * suihkulokki pokes timeless | 23:30 | |
| Myrtti | w00t_: most of the time I acn't remember. I forget to eat. Then i eat too much when I do remember to eat. | 23:31 |
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| * w00t_ sympathises | 23:31 | |
| CosmoHill | :/ | 23:31 |
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| Myrtti | my boyfriend pokes me on IM on lunchtime and asks have I eaten, and usually the answer is no. Woes of telecommuting, working from home I don't have workmates to poke me to go to lunch | 23:32 |
| w00t_ | yeah | 23:32 |
| w00t_ | I often have that happen | 23:32 |
| b-man | hmm, no one has seen this quite critical bug yet :P http://bugs.meego.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1872 | 23:34 |
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| w00t_ | b-man: might be worth trying #meego-arm | 23:37 |
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| Efan | Hi all again | 23:38 |
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| Stskeeps | DawnFoster: have you heard anything regarding if there'll be a place for the IRC bots + logs etc on meego infrastructure? | 23:47 |
| Stskeeps | would be good to centralize things before development flourishes, i guess :) | 23:48 |
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| DawnFoster | stskeeps: yes, eventually we'll have a place for them. Right now, we have a bunch of hardware on order & plans to move stuff to those new boxes at OSU | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | :nod: | 23:48 |
| Stskeeps | i'm obviously volunteering to help out with setup when time is | 23:48 |
| DawnFoster | when we start getting things moved to OSU, that's probably a good time to add bots / logs. | 23:48 |
| DawnFoster | I'll poke mrshaver about it anyway :) | 23:49 |
| Efan | Can I install .deb file on meego | 23:49 |
| Stskeeps | Efan: if converted with 'alien', maybe | 23:49 |
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| Stskeeps | but i wouldn't bet on it | 23:50 |
| w00t_ | Stskeeps / DawnFoster: I'm happy to help with that too | 23:50 |
| * Stskeeps vouches for w00t, did a lot of IRC daemon coding over the years | 23:50 | |
| Efan | stskeeps: sorry I could not get you, do you mean .deb can not be installed on Meego | 23:50 |
| Stskeeps | Efan: it is a RPM based distribution | 23:51 |
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| GAN900 | Myrtti, aw, but that's what you have an N900 with alarms for. | 23:51 |
| Myrtti | GAN900: a what? ;-P | 23:51 |
| * Myrtti pets her Nexus One http://www.flickr.com/photos/myrtti/4587642838/ *petpet* | 23:52 | |
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| DawnFoster | w00t_ / Stskeeps - I'm on im with mrshaver right now talking about you guys :) | 23:54 |
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| w00t_ | DawnFoster: cool :) | 23:57 |
| DawnFoster | We decided it would be best to wait until we have new servers to avoid having to move more stuff to OSU | 23:57 |
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| DawnFoster | we'll probably enlist your help to get the logs / bots for IRC moved over | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | you need to check with OSU if IRC is allowed too | 23:58 |
| Stskeeps | (just for good measure) - I think they used to have some policy | 23:58 |
| lcuk | moving from freenode or logs only? | 23:59 |
| DawnFoster | will do - I have a friend who is their sys admin | 23:59 |
| w00t_ | logs only, lcuk | 23:59 |
| Stskeeps | logs, meeting bot, etc | 23:59 |
| GAN900 | Myrtti, what, after the cursing out you gave it in SF? | 23:59 |
| lcuk | ahh cool the bot itself runs somewhere ofc | 23:59 |
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