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| CosmoHill | firebug you say? | 00:07 |
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| lbt | I do... | 00:07 |
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| lbt | how can you have an activity guide with no Argentine Tango places... | 00:09 |
| CosmoHill | now how do I use it? | 00:09 |
| lbt | bottom right... firebug icon | 00:09 |
| lbt | click HTML in the new menu bar and expand up the tree | 00:10 |
| lbt | notice the mouseover bits | 00:10 |
| th0br0 | F12 is easier | 00:12 |
| CosmoHill | hmm | 00:14 |
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| CosmoHill | dammit | 00:18 |
| CosmoHill | I don't understand why sumbled upon is on a new line | 00:18 |
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| th0br0 | CosmoHill: your application is not sql injection safe at all | 00:25 |
| th0br0 | take a look at cat.php | 00:25 |
| th0br0 | hint: sub parameter | 00:25 |
| th0br0 | i could easily drop your group table or the like if I've got the permission to do so ;) | 00:25 |
| th0br0 | anyway. i'm out now. byez | 00:26 |
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| lbt | night all | 00:44 |
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| cole | Has anyone installed meego on virtualbox | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | sorta | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | had to replace the kernel | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | would you like to download a .vdi made by _SKY_ ? | 01:51 |
| cole | sure. | 01:51 |
| CosmoHill | http://cross-lfs.org/~cosmo/meego/ | 01:52 |
| CosmoHill | meego-x86.vdi | 01:52 |
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| cole | Can silverlight applications run on any meego compliant browsers? | 01:54 |
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| timeless_mbp | cole: i've setup moblin in vbox | 01:58 |
| timeless_mbp | cole: what would a 'meego compliant browser' be? | 01:58 |
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| timeless_mbp | and would a silverlight app running on moonlight count? | 02:01 |
| timeless_mbp | if so, then "in theory yes" | 02:01 |
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| cole | Why do you qualify it with 'in theory?' | 02:04 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:52 |
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| DW_Ya_DiqG | wanna c somethin fucced up lol dont send pics to ur bf if ur gonna do him dirty lol http://www.paybackNikki.in/?id=1053lbj6dbtpx2w0nwezzclymagipl | 08:43 |
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| cotigao | hi, i am new to meego.. and would like know to know how to setup the meego environment as in scratchbox, emulator... I am more inclined towards middleware components | 09:19 |
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| cotigao | hi, from where can i download the meego SDK? | 10:33 |
| Stskeeps | not really out yet but start with qt sdk | 10:33 |
| Termana | good morning Stskeeps | 10:34 |
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| cotigao | Stskeeps, thanks ... actually i am new to meego and more inclined towards middleware (multimedia components)... so just wondering as to how to setup the environment, like scratchbox, qemu, etc | 10:38 |
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| Stskeeps | cotigao: the good news is that you dont have to deal with scratchbox | 10:42 |
| cotigao | Stskeeps, oh.. so how do i go about it? | 10:43 |
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| Stskeeps | cotigao: well, wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_MeeGo_Environment for codedrop. hopefully community obs and madde should help matters | 10:45 |
| Stskeeps | in 1.0 | 10:45 |
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| cotigao | Stskeeps, i see.. so will it help if i get some hands-on maemo first and then transit to meego? (as both are new to me!) | 10:53 |
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| lbt | cotigao: probably not. One factor is probably what devices you have | 10:55 |
| lbt | maemo is debian/deb based MeeGo is rpm based | 10:55 |
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| CosmoHill | I got a car insurance quote of £890 for an Alfa Romeo 156 :D | 14:27 |
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| th0br0 | heya. | 15:15 |
| CosmoHill | hey | 15:15 |
| Stskeeps | moo | 15:15 |
| th0br0 | :) | 15:18 |
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| sivang | rehi all | 16:17 |
| sivang | Been a while | 16:17 |
| sivang | I'd like to apologize in advance for my question. | 16:17 |
| sivang | How come, we have the same hardware on the N900 and much less good performance and responsiveness than Apple's OS X on their same SOC ? | 16:17 |
| sivang | it is roughly the same, 600mhz a8 cortex isn't it? | 16:18 |
| sivang | (/me wonders if I he should have asked this at #maemo) | 16:18 |
| jensp | apple isn't running OSX on the iphone | 16:18 |
| sivang | ah... | 16:18 |
| sivang | I see | 16:18 |
| sivang | so a very trimmed version of it? | 16:18 |
| sivang | while we are running a full blown linux on it, Maemo right? | 16:19 |
| GAN900 | sivang, because Apple is pushing less than half the pixels around, too. | 16:19 |
| jensp | sivang: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPhone_OS | 16:19 |
| sivang | GAN900: you mean, much less resolution ? | 16:19 |
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| GAN900 | Yes | 16:19 |
| sivang | I see. | 16:19 |
| GAN900 | Which means a much smoother experience | 16:19 |
| GAN900 | But much less information on screen. | 16:20 |
| sivang | GAN900: exactly, you hit straight to my question | 16:20 |
| sivang | GAN900: their facebook widgets are so snappy to show you pictures | 16:20 |
| GAN900 | So, it's a tradeoff with current hardware. | 16:20 |
| sivang | GAN900: from you facebook account or others, and the navigation is amazingly snappy and slick | 16:20 |
| GAN900 | It's also a function of optimization | 16:20 |
| GAN900 | Apple has thousands of people dedicated to the iPhone | 16:20 |
| sivang | GAN900: so Maemo has went under much less optimization ? do you think it could reach the same performance ? | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | With Nokia it's more like dozens | 16:21 |
| sivang | GAN900: given we ditch upstrat ;) | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | Sure | 16:21 |
| sivang | upstart is killing me on the N900 | 16:21 |
| sivang | seriously | 16:21 |
| GAN900 | But there's always a tradeoff with lots of optimization and actually getting a product to market in a sane amount of time. | 16:21 |
| sivang | true | 16:21 |
| sivang | N900 is unprecedented in time to market | 16:21 |
| sivang | albeit rough on the edges | 16:22 |
| Stskeeps | what's wrong with upstart? | 16:22 |
| sivang | I still love it | 16:22 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: due to the starting services in the background, it takes a great while to have the phone ready for use once you boot it. | 16:22 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: and iPhone OS boots and viola! ready to use. | 16:22 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: I'd rather wait the same amount of time or a bit longer, but know edactly when the machien is ready for use | 16:23 |
| Stskeeps | that is more the fault of the setup, not mechanism | 16:24 |
| GAN900 | Don't reboot | 16:24 |
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| GAN900 | Is the simple answer | 16:24 |
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| sivang | GAN900: but even if I don't, there are problems with responsivness all the time. | 16:25 |
| sivang | GAN900: especially when multiple events arrive or call one after another or an email and than a call. | 16:25 |
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| Termana | sivang, webOS uses upstart as well, I don't think webOS users have complained about responsiveness problems | 16:28 |
| silver_hook | Hullo. Is it possible to run MeeGo on anything else then the one or two Nokia phones? | 16:28 |
| Termana | Nor have I seen too many people complain about responsiveness on the n900 | 16:28 |
| sivang | Termana: What sort of hardware do they run on? | 16:28 |
| Termana | sivang, the same as the n900 | 16:29 |
| Termana | OMAP3430 SoC | 16:29 |
| sivang | Termana: I see. So how do you explain the difference to Maemo ? | 16:29 |
| sivang | Termana: although pr1.2 might do a big difference | 16:29 |
| sivang | darn need to reboot | 16:29 |
| sivang | Termana: be right back, I'm interested in your reply. | 16:30 |
| Termana | sivang, at the moment, I don't personally have an n900 yet, so I can't say from experience there is a difference | 16:30 |
| Termana | sivang, righto :) | 16:30 |
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| clipartcat | I think upstart can handle dependencies between services. At least Solaris can handle that, so I'd suppose that in making that kind of service you are going to take that in account.. | 16:30 |
| Stskeeps | thats its normal goal :P | 16:30 |
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| Stskeeps | the problemm is i/o lockup | 16:31 |
| Termana | just in time :P | 16:31 |
| sivang | back | 16:31 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: did I miss anything you said? | 16:31 |
| GAN900 | sivang, less than half of the pixels. | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | not really | 16:31 |
| silver_hook | clipartcat: You're talking about the startup/shutdown scripts / RC? | 16:31 |
| GAN900 | Again | 16:31 |
| Stskeeps | on dual-core upstart makes more sense | 16:31 |
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| clipartcat | silver_hook, yes. | 16:31 |
| silver_hook | clipartcat: I think OpenRC handles deps quite nicely. | 16:32 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: and our OPAC is single core ? | 16:32 |
| silver_hook | I *think* so at least. | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | opac? | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | Sort of yes, but not dual CPU | 16:32 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: OMAP | 16:32 |
| sivang | sorry, my mistake | 16:32 |
| Stskeeps | what gan said | 16:32 |
| sivang | too much drinking | 16:32 |
| sivang | GAN900: so, single core ? | 16:32 |
| GAN900 | Wait for OMAP4 and Cortex A9 | 16:33 |
| sivang | GAN900: single cpu ? | 16:33 |
| Termana | sivang, single core with DSP | 16:33 |
| GAN900 | GPU | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | the problem is competing over i/o and with proper scheduling.. | 16:33 |
| sivang | Termana: okay | 16:33 |
| Stskeeps | so the stalls you feel are i/o stalls | 16:33 |
| sivang | Stskeeps: right, so there should be proper scheduling for services while bringing them up | 16:33 |
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| silver_hook | Yup, seems that OpenRC is exactly a dep-based init system: http://roy.marples.name/projects/openrc | 16:33 |
| alterego | Doesn't upstart handle deps? | 16:34 |
| alterego | What does suse use? They have deps, even if I think suse's init scripts are awful .. | 16:34 |
| Stskeeps | sivang: it isnt so much about services but how they are handled as processes.. | 16:34 |
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| Termana | I think my n810 just went flat in my pocket :P | 16:38 |
| RST38h | Has it been making those sorry "feed me!" sounds? | 16:39 |
| Termana | RST38h, lol :P I turn sounds off. I just meant because it just quit IRC | 16:39 |
| Termana | You know your addicted to IRC when... you know your device is flat when it quits IRC | 16:39 |
| * silver_hook has yet to see a nicer init system then Gentoo's... | 16:43 | |
| Zorry | :) | 16:44 |
| Stskeeps | sysvinit? :P | 16:45 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: Naaah, neither BSD nor Sys V come close to it ...at least for my taste. | 16:47 |
| silver_hook | I heard that MeeGo works so far only on Nokia phones and isn't planned (yet?) to include support for others. Is there any evidence to back this up or deny it? | 16:55 |
| alterego | silver_hook: meego will work on anything it's built for. Nokia are targetting it at their own platform, Intel targetting it at their architecture. | 16:57 |
| alterego | silver_hook: it's perfectly open for other vendors to build it for their hardware. | 16:57 |
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| th0br0 | silver_hook: i somewhat agree. | 16:57 |
| th0br0 | (the gentoo init system) | 16:58 |
| silver_hook | alterego: Any ports already? Does it work on Nokia phones that are originally Symbian-based? | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: it is built for armv5 and armv7 and gles libs are adjustable per platform. phone plugins, write one for ofono | 16:58 |
| alterego | silver_hook: that will never happen unfortunately. | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | people have it on beagleboard, too | 16:58 |
| th0br0 | Stskeeps: meego? | 16:58 |
| Stskeeps | yes | 16:59 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: I heard about Symbian^3 on BeagleBoard, but that does sound intriguing :] | 16:59 |
| alterego | silver_hook: if it was in any way not-close-to-impossible, I'm sure someone would have managed to port Linux to a previous S60 phone. Unfortunately there are many issues, internal storage capacity being one of them. | 16:59 |
| alterego | The largest are the boot loader. | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | ie, only reaso only n900 has a port is cos noone else ported it to another phone | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | :P | 17:00 |
| alterego | :) | 17:00 |
| alterego | Yes, and we're all lazy, why port it ourselves when Nokia are doing it for us? :) | 17:00 |
| Stskeeps | eh? :P | 17:01 |
| Termana | alterego is obviously not looking to be a low level contributor :P | 17:01 |
| alterego | It would be nice, now that Symbian is open, if Nokia moved Symbian development in a similar direction to maemo/meego | 17:01 |
| slaine | silver_hook, LG have had a phone in development, based on the Intel Atom Z600 that had been running moblin which they've confirmed will run meego now | 17:02 |
| CosmoHill | yay | 17:02 |
| alterego | But it's unlikely, I think that maemo/meego based devices from Nokia will have the most open hardware, as they do now. And the S60 based handsets will probably be just as closed as they are now. | 17:02 |
| silver_hook | But that's what I found the most odd ...Android ports are spewing around like onanistic robot fluid, but MeeGo (or Maemo for that matter) althought it's more free, is being held on only one device (or two) so far. | 17:03 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: meego came a bit late in the game | 17:04 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: What about Maemo then? | 17:04 |
| slaine | silver_hook: the majority of commercial Android phones are from 1 manufacturer, HTC | 17:04 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: maemo is 40 percent oss | 17:04 |
| slaine | lots of other companies are dabbling with android and android devices, but there's not been the same update as what HTC have | 17:05 |
| CosmoHill | meego aims to be 100% | 17:05 |
| silver_hook | OK. | 17:05 |
| slaine | s/update/uptake/ | 17:05 |
| infobot | slaine meant: lots of other companies are dabbling with android and android devices, but there's not been the same uptake as what HTC have | 17:05 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: i fully expect a lot of ports as meego is damn easy to port. | 17:05 |
| silver_hook | Stskeeps: That'd be nice :) | 17:05 |
| slaine | initially, we'll see meego netbooks, I don't see smart phones being the major driver for a while yet. we'll see meego in lots of other smart devices, TV's, fridges, media phones, netbooks and tablets | 17:06 |
| silver_hook | From what I'm seeing so far, if I had a smartphone, I'd want MeeGo on it ...but that means I'll have to wait that a) there's more then one device and b) the price drops a bit O_o | 17:06 |
| silver_hook | ...by liberally stretching "a bit". | 17:07 |
| silver_hook | What data does MeeGo apps have access to by default and what the user can opt in to? | 17:07 |
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| silver_hook | I've seen some *very* perverse requirements to access private data from "free" Android apps O_O | 17:08 |
| CosmoHill | can you give an example? | 17:08 |
| Stskeeps | silver_hook: depends on security framework i guess | 17:09 |
| Stskeeps | by standard its traditional posix | 17:09 |
| silver_hook | CosmoHill: I think it was a theme or something similarly quaint amongst the top "free" apps, that wanted: internet access, location data, (some more stuff I forgot) ...and read + write access to contacts. | 17:10 |
| silver_hook | Not only I wouldn't call that free as in FOSS, I wouldn't even call that free as in gratis! That's just sick... | 17:11 |
| CosmoHill | dammit >.< | 17:11 |
| Stskeeps | meh, sell your soul for money, nothing new | 17:11 |
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| silver_hook | The question of course is as well, if the platform actually has security implemented in a way that the user *has* to opt-in to share such data with the app('s creator) or is it up to the app to be friendly enough to claim what it wants to access. | 17:12 |
| silver_hook | Is there a solution in MeeGo for that? | 17:13 |
| CosmoHill | silver_hook: you mean like "this program is trying to access the internet, do you want to allow it?" | 17:13 |
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| Stskeeps | silver_hook: there is security framework stuff but you need to read up on it and i doubt its in 1.0 | 17:14 |
| silver_hook | CosmoHill: That'd be nice. In Android though it only says when you're installing this app "this program will access the internet, read/write you contacts, read/write system settings, ... do you accept these terms?" | 17:14 |
| CosmoHill | my sony would ask if a program could access the camera every time I first ran it | 17:15 |
| CosmoHill | of course you read it and click yes but then you've moved the camera | 17:15 |
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| silver_hook | Hmm, I know it's not the right channel, but does anyone happen to know if it's possible to run Symbian^3 on any S60 phone? | 17:20 |
| Stskeeps | they arent traditionally hackable | 17:21 |
| silver_hook | :\ | 17:25 |
| th0br0 | silver_hook: ^^ i share your feelings. That's one of the reasons why I didn't get a sym^2 phone some while ago | 17:27 |
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| CosmoHill | th0br0: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pair_programming << you might be interested in reading | 17:28 |
| th0br0 | sounds ... idk. | 17:29 |
| th0br0 | waste of workpower? | 17:29 |
| th0br0 | sure, for bigger projects you need some reviewer but ... | 17:29 |
| lcuk | CosmoHill, :) used to code like that often | 17:29 |
| lcuk | i didnt think it had a name lol - just me and colleague&|boss hacking | 17:30 |
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| silver_hook | Meh, so I guess I'll just stick to dumbphones until MeeGo becomes a viable solution :P | 17:35 |
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| silver_hook | So, does Nokia intend to continue development for Symbian for dumb(er) phones or why the Symbian-MeeGo dichotomy? | 17:42 |
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| GAN900 | silver_hook, because dinosaurs are in charge of Nokia | 17:48 |
| GAN900 | and Maemo can't fill the non-touch space | 17:49 |
| GAN900 | So, S40 is going away in the long term | 17:49 |
| silver_hook | OK, makes sense in a way... | 17:49 |
| GAN900 | and Symbian will shift into that space | 17:49 |
| GAN900 | with MeeGo and Symbian^3/4 at the top end | 17:49 |
| silver_hook | Em, isn't Symbian^* just a the next get Symbian S*? | 17:51 |
| th0br0 | Given that with Sym^3 , Qt support will come officialy and that with Sym^4 the whole system is supposed to be qt-based, I'm not sure whether symbian will continue to exist afterwards | 17:52 |
| th0br0 | Think of the decreasing cost for the various parts in the future... | 17:53 |
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| silver_hook | So Symbian^* is _not_ the descendant of Symbian S*? | 17:53 |
| silver_hook | O_o | 17:54 |
| b-man|laptop | silly question - i know mce is closed, but is it reusable (as in can i re-package the binaries for use in fedora)? | 17:56 |
| th0br0 | mce? | 17:56 |
| th0br0 | and no | 17:56 |
| th0br0 | fedora only accepts open source applications with compatible licenses | 17:56 |
| th0br0 | b-man|laptop: turn to rpmfusion | 17:56 |
| th0br0 | what is mce anyway? | 17:57 |
| b-man|laptop | th0br0: i'm not relying on their repos - i would be creating my own | 17:57 |
| b-man|laptop | Mode Control Entity | 17:57 |
| b-man|laptop | (used for system events) | 17:57 |
| th0br0 | well, you can package anything | 17:57 |
| b-man|laptop | such as controling led's | 17:57 |
| th0br0 | after all, you#re only limited by rpm | 17:58 |
| b-man|laptop | but can i legally do it in terms of nokia, not fedora - will nokia's EULA allow me to do so? | 17:59 |
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| GAN900 | b-man|laptop, talk to Stskeeps. | 18:03 |
| th0br0 | b-man|laptop: it's a nokia package, no? | 18:03 |
| th0br0 | besides, would you publish the repo? | 18:03 |
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| b-man|laptop | it is a nokia package, and they have been re-published with permission in projects like Deblet | 18:04 |
| silver_hook | OK, this will be again a pretty stupid question, but which smartphone would you buy if you'd buy it today? | 18:05 |
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| th0br0 | silver_hook: none :D I'd wait 6 months and just get some cheap phone right now. other than that, idk. n900 or nexus one i guess | 18:05 |
| b-man|laptop | l'll ask Stskeeps | 18:05 |
| silver_hook | th0br0: And in 6 months? ;) | 18:06 |
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| th0br0 | I'd take a look at the phones available then. | 18:06 |
| silver_hook | th0br0: Oh, I wsa hoping you'd have a secret tip or something :P | 18:08 |
| th0br0 | I'm not involved directly with any of the parties behind MeeGo or the like, so no :) | 18:08 |
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| silver_hook | So I guess my plan stays: a) ditch the dying Motorola V235, b) get my gf's ex-Samsung S3600, c) wait until that dies too d) look at the current market. | 18:11 |
| th0br0 | :) | 18:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer | b-man|laptop: thought it's machine control entity | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | used for all kinds of depriving user of his control over hardware | 19:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | like brightness of lcd backlight, triggering LED and vibro notifications, handling button press events etc | 19:24 |
| Stskeeps | surprisingly enough noone has made a good replacement :P | 19:26 |
| Stskeeps | except for powerlaunch on n8x0 | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | even a more severe PITA than the other friggin entity: BME the Batery Management Entity | 19:26 |
| lcuk | Stskeeps, it would require the sort of knowledge usually provided only to engineers with access and training to read the datasheets and manipulate the hardware properly | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | well there are other 'Entities' as well, DSME... dunno what else | 19:27 |
| b-man|laptop | if MCE and BME were opened, things would be soo much easer | 19:27 |
| * DocScrutinizer smiles and rises hand | 19:27 | |
| b-man|laptop | DSME is in the process of being opened | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep, I heard so | 19:28 |
| Stskeeps | dsme is opened afaik :P | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | as there's really NOTHING in there you could claim is IP | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, BME first to shoot down | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-D | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | JRCME ftw! | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | JRBME even | 19:29 |
| * TSCHAKeee is frustrated... a whole community of LinuxMCE people, and none of them understand what i'm trying to do :( | 19:30 | |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is LinuxMCE? | 19:30 |
| b-man|laptop | has anyone tested the hald-addon-bme replacement? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | there is any? | 19:30 |
| b-man|laptop | yes | 19:30 |
| Stskeeps | TSCHAKeee: someone doing linuxICE was playing around wth libdui at least | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | for meego? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | b-man|laptop: or for maemo? | 19:31 |
| b-man|laptop | DocScrutinizer: for mer originally i believe | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | aaah | 19:31 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: any details? We (speedevil and me) would like to update the BME wikipage on that | 19:32 |
| b-man|laptop | http://gitorious.org/mer-toggles/hald-addon-bme/blobs/master/hald-addon-bme.c | 19:32 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: i'm trying to get people to start working with clutter and Qt's canvas stuff both.. to try and get used to making some UI models... the goal for me is to make one complete on-screen UI (TV), and one off-screen UI (touchpanel), and use that to gather concrete data for figuring out WHERE in our stack we need to abstract and change things. | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | b-man|laptop: the "blobs" part doesn't sound like 'replacement' | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | Stskeeps: but people are already wanting to spew out these massively complex theming schemes for parts of the system they've never touched. | 19:33 |
| b-man|laptop | lol | 19:33 |
| TSCHAKeee | *facepalm* | 19:33 |
| b-man|laptop | DocScrutinizer: those mean nothing xD | 19:33 |
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| b-man|laptop | DocScrutinizer: all projects usually have a 'blob' on gitorious | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | k, lol | 19:34 |
| b-man|laptop | Stskeeps: has that replacement been tested with the N900 yet? | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | no | 19:35 |
| Stskeeps | it might not work if the bulk messages have changed | 19:35 |
| b-man|laptop | hmm | 19:36 |
| b-man|laptop | Stskeeps: how did he obtain the bulk messages? | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Stskeeps: what's 'bulk messages'? | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | something like "#\4\3\2\1\n" | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ? | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | (seen that crap in a strace) | 19:37 |
| Stskeeps | DocScrutinizer: the reverse engineering of bme protocol was done with a bunch of guess work and pattern matching of field test display->bme communication | 19:40 |
| Stskeeps | and this was done via bulk queries, etc, asking for all the values it has :P | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | errrhm | 19:41 |
| Stskeeps | ie, as much as could fit in a message | 19:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so my next question: which protocol exactly? socks, dbus, I2C? | 19:42 |
| Stskeeps | http://wiki.maemo.org/Mer/Documentation/BME_Protocol | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | and to whom | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah k | 19:42 |
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| Stskeeps | (may not apply to n900 and may maim your loved ones..) | 19:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I'm in love with nobody - so no risk in that part at least ;-P | 19:47 |
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| TSCHAKeee | so...okay | 21:16 |
| TSCHAKeee | what is the replacement for mx going to be called? | 21:16 |
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| Stskeeps | there's one? | 21:18 |
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| slaine | mx is the replacement for nbtk | 21:42 |
| slaine | I don't think they're revealed plans for any non-clutter/mx work | 21:43 |
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| ivarela | hi. | 22:19 |
| Stskeeps | lo | 22:19 |
| ivarela | i got some questions about meego. | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | shoot :) | 22:20 |
| ivarela | Thanks ;) I'm the coordinator of Asturian translations team for MeeGo | 22:20 |
| Stskeeps | i'm going to have to look that up on wikipedia, if that's okay :P | 22:21 |
| ivarela | and I would like to know, if we need to translate in Maemo and Moblin to get a all the project translated | 22:21 |
| Stskeeps | hmm, i think that's more of a mlfoster question | 22:22 |
| ivarela | sorry... mlfoster? | 22:23 |
| ivarela | first of all... Meego can be installed in a mobile telephone yet? | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | yes, the n900 - but not much of a phone ui | 22:24 |
| Stskeeps | mlfoster / margie foster | 22:24 |
| ivarela | ahhh margie foster ;) | 22:25 |
| Stskeeps | but i think projects that should be translated would be upstream projects and then some specific meego ones i guess | 22:25 |
| ivarela | there will be an ui for a phone? | 22:27 |
| Stskeeps | handset ux is claimed to be out sometime after 1.0 | 22:28 |
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