IRC log of #meego for Friday, 2010-05-07

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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:21
* lbt is downloading MeeGo.com:Trunk00:21
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lbtfrom maemo.org OBS :)00:21
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slainethey seem to have a giant iPad on the BBC News00:27
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dl9pflbt: cool00:29
lbt:)00:29
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lcukGAN900, which one - he sends lots00:35
slaineGAN900: link ?00:38
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CosmoHillI need motivation >.<00:39
lcuksomeone op up and kick CosmoHill ;)00:40
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GAN900lcuk, Sprint meeting one.00:48
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CosmoHillIf you replace the word "change" with the word "spiders", the Conservatives become very scary.02:56
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CosmoHill:)03:11
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Termanagood morning03:54
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JaffaTermana: Bollocks. Must be time to go to bed, and leave #ukvote to sort itself out04:05
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CosmoHillhttp://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/election_2010/default.stm04:06
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TermanaJaffa, :P04:10
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CosmoHillI hate my uni cover sheets04:27
CosmoHillthey've managed to make something that will only work in IE04:27
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ljpi feel your pain04:36
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CosmoHillI need to write 500 words :(04:38
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JaffaMorning, all11:40
Stskeepsmorn11:41
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slainetime for coffee and toast me thinks11:45
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dl9pf_lbt: whats the linked project on meego obs side ? where you issue happenz ?12:46
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WAHa_06x36slaine: you asked earlier if I got anywhere with that watchdog problem (and I've been forgetting to look at IRC)15:13
WAHa_06x36slaine: what I ended up doing was compiling a new kernel without NOWAYOUT set. that's not a particularly good solution, but it worked at least.15:14
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slaineWAHa_06x36: right, so still no idea what was pat'ing the dog then15:22
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WAHa_06x36slaine: right.15:34
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WAHa_06x36slaine: I got so far that I figured out it happened BEFORE udev was started, though.15:34
WAHa_06x36slaine: because I completely removed /dev/watchdog from udev, and it still started.15:34
WAHa_06x36so it probably happened in devtmpfs instead.15:35
slainenice15:35
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tekojoping slaine15:52
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slaineACK15:53
tekojowould you be interested in getting your hands dirty with the community apps infra?15:53
slainehell yes15:54
th0br0^^15:54
tekojogreat!15:54
tekojooh th0br0 was going to ask you too :)15:54
th0br0cool.15:55
th0br0sure, I'd like to help out :)15:55
tekojoth0br0 were you here all the time, I missed you in the nick list15:55
th0br0i was15:55
tekojofunny15:55
th0br0are you using quassel?15:55
th0br0yeah... quassel sometimes bugs the nick list.15:56
tekojowell anyway, I was thinking that if you two have time and interest, it would be nice to get some help on the apps thing15:56
th0br0sjure15:57
tekojothere is pretty much no hardware yet, but once we have some, help would be appreciated15:57
th0br0ok15:57
tekojolbt and X-Fade can talk details15:57
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th0br0will ask them later on then15:58
tekojothanks!15:58
tekojoWas writing the wiki page and realised I'm the least qualified person on the thing now15:58
th0br0:)15:59
lbtoh hi15:59
tekojoalmost everyone here :)15:59
X-FadeAlways ;)15:59
th0br0haha, hi.15:59
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tekojoat least the rpm part of the infra is a bit muddy to me16:01
slaineWeekend is perfect for me too16:01
tekojoso helping in the repo would be nice16:01
slaineI'll be working and be able to set aside some time to play about16:01
* lbt is writing a blog about the OBS16:01
lbtthere are some issues still16:01
slaineThough, I'm an OBS n00b, so I'll have a bit of a learning curve16:02
slaineperhaps that's a good thing16:02
th0br0what's not working yet?16:02
th0br0slaine: me too16:02
lbtbut I am *so close* to building rpmlint at home from the community OBS linked to the meego OBS16:02
slaineI use vim to make my packages :)16:02
th0br0what's missing lbt?16:02
lbtMeego OBS is using 1.8 HEAD, we're using 1.7.3 stable16:02
th0br0oh ... ^^16:03
lbtthey are a commit or 3 behind and there's a mismatch in the priconf (chroot definition)16:03
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th0br0not much we can do then i guess16:03
lbttekojo: can we get these guys onto the jump server on pmo?16:04
lbtdo they need NDAs?16:04
tekojono NDAs needede there16:05
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tekojoX-Fade knows where people can poke at things16:05
lbtisn't H going on it?16:06
tekojobut not there yet16:06
X-FadeOnly problem is that we are also testing with Maemo things on the same instance.16:06
tekojodoes it have the nokia closed binaries repo on it?16:06
X-FadeYes16:06
tekojo:/16:07
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Stskeepsnothing that isn't solvable with going to the eula page and coming back with a repo url? :P16:07
slaineTell you what, wake me up when you're ready ;P16:07
X-FadeBut we can disallow access for direct downloads.16:07
tekojojust go and click accept on the tablets-dev page?16:07
lbtslaine, th0br0 do you have N900s?16:07
slaineNo16:07
Stskeepsno need for the nokia-binaries repo16:08
th0br0no16:08
slaineI'm an arm wannabe16:08
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tekojoX-Fades solution sounds simple16:08
tekojolet's go with that16:08
lbtOK16:08
th0br0Right now, I've not gut much hardware to test on tbh.16:08
th0br0But we'll manage.16:08
lbtso they'll need ssh to the jump box and port 80 to the obs ?16:08
tekojoth0br0 that's not a problem, it's more about setting things up16:09
X-FadeRealistically speaking it is still some time away from being useful as test.16:09
th0br0yep.16:09
slaineI can wait16:09
slainesounds like you're not ready for us just yet16:09
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X-FadeAnd it is also not running on final hardware.16:09
lbtyou think X-Fade? we can start meego work... and get some feedback on SDK issues and the like16:10
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X-Fadelbt: I think it is a bit optimisitic, but that might be just me ;)16:11
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lbttake the meego attitude "it's ready!.... here's a shell"16:11
slaine:)16:11
tekojoslaine I was just initially asking, but as everyone was here, it's worth seeing when things can be looked at16:11
slainedefo16:12
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slaineand no better way of finding out how broken it is than letting strangers bang on it16:12
lbt*nod*16:12
lcukyou are making OBS sound like a lady of the night16:13
slaineI'd tap it16:13
* lbt has read the source...16:13
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lcukheh16:13
slainelcuk, Do you like rugby ?16:13
lcukdriven through it, nothing especially appealed16:14
lbt<groan>16:14
slaineYeah, stuck there waiting for a train once. I meant the sport though16:14
th0br0It's a town?16:14
th0br0o.O16:14
slaineth0br0: that's an insult to the name town16:15
lcuknot especially tho when i do see it think its better than football16:15
lcukthen just turn around and carry on hacking16:15
th0br0ok16:15
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tekojolbt and X-Fade can you make sure slaine and th0br0 can start looking at things once there is something to work on?16:21
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X-Fadetekojo: Sure16:22
slaineyay16:22
tekojothanks :)16:22
th0br0cool. :)16:23
lbtOK, so my plan is...16:24
lbtget OBS to build stuff against MeeGo.com both on the service and locally16:24
lbtsetup some structures and processes to do that for a local copy of each MeeGo 'release'16:25
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lbtthen get you guys to help reproduce and document this16:25
lbtand work through any issues and ideas16:25
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timeless_mbplbt: hey16:32
timeless_mbpcan you get me a meego rootstrap that works on linux from 2006? :)16:32
thiagolinux from 2006?16:33
timeless_mbpELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped16:33
thiagothat's Linux from 2010 for me16:33
thiago/bin/ls: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.9, stripped16:33
timeless_mbpELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, dynamically linked (uses shared libs), for GNU/Linux 2.6.25, stripped16:33
timeless_mbpthe meego i was given requires 2.6.2516:34
* thiago thinks that "GNU" part is wrong16:34
thiagothat version is the kernel version16:34
timeless_mbp?16:34
thiagojust mumbling about the use of "GNU/Linux" incorrectly16:35
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* timeless_mbp ponders16:35
timeless_mbpyes, it's wrong16:35
timeless_mbpLinux here is just kernel space16:35
timeless_mbpgnu is userspace16:35
smokuone sed to far...16:35
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pupnik_nice to see you smoku16:36
* timeless_mbp is confused16:36
pupnik_hows emulators going?16:36
* timeless_mbp thought this didn't work16:36
timeless_mbp /bin/bash: /home/timeless/sb2/meego/lib/libc.so.6: version `GLIBC_2.11' not found (required by /bin/bash)16:37
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timeless_mbpthiago: that's the other half16:37
timeless_mbplooks like i can settle for a linux from 200816:37
timeless_mbpbut building one for oct 2009 does me no good16:37
thiagothat seems wrong16:38
thiagothe libc inside the rootstrap isn't new enough?16:38
timeless_mbpthe libc in the scratchbox is too new?16:38
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timeless_mbpmy favorite line is this:16:39
timeless_mbpFATAL: kernel too old16:39
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timeless_mbp /bin/bash: relocation error: /bin/bash: symbol strlen, version GLIBC_2.0 not defined in file libc.so.6 with link time reference16:51
timeless_mbpdo you prefer that?16:52
smokupupnik_, crawling... there's a lot of rearning to walk yet ;-)16:52
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timeless_mbpall i want is a nice simple meego which runs on my linux machine which wasn't born yesterday16:54
Stskeepswhen was it born? :P16:54
timeless_mbpi know people think all linux boxes should be reborn every day, sometimes two or three times a day16:54
timeless_mbpbut...16:54
* thiago wonders how many ABI-incompatible strlen there can be16:54
timeless_mbpCentOS release 5.4 (Final)16:54
thiagofor one single arch, that is16:54
timeless_mbphttp://www.google.com/search?client=safari&rls=en&q=symbol+strlen,+version+GLIBC_2.0+not+defined+in+file+libc.so.6+with+link+time+reference&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-816:56
timeless_mbpgoogle says plenty of people hit this stupid error message16:56
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timeless_mbphttp://foldingforum.org/viewtopic.php?f=44&t=12939 is my favorite post on this subject16:58
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Stskeepsi wonder who'll be the first to run meego on 77017:00
Stskeeps:P17:00
lcukStskeeps, meego will run on a cig lighter first17:00
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Stskeepswell, it is armv5..17:01
* lcuk is only pulling leg17:02
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lbtStskeeps: where are we on Fremantle on OBS?17:17
Stskeepslbt: temporarily stalled while i've been focused on other things17:18
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lbtFeeling bored this weekend?17:18
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Stskeepsnot sure yet17:19
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X-FadeHehe ;)17:19
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lbtOK - let me know17:19
X-FadePlanning to be bored, nice.17:19
slaineneed some chocolate or something, and more coffee17:19
lcukalways need more coffee17:19
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Stskeepslbt: but ask me in the morning and my thoughts should be more clearer :)17:22
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lbtI shall wait for them to be "more clearer"17:22
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w00t_"outlook hazy"17:22
lbtw00t_: introspection at work...17:23
Stskeepsmore like not enough sleep due to a $@% car alarm17:23
Stskeeps:P17:23
jedixfrementle needs a password too right now, right?17:24
timeless_mbp?17:25
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th0br0right, I'll be back in ~3 h ttyl17:28
jedixthe obs server17:28
Myrttimoin peeps17:28
lbtmoin17:28
Stskeepsjedix: atm it's more like a experiment, not really a production site17:29
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jedixnod, most things are17:30
jedixby the sound of things anyways :)17:31
jedixat least my build setup is an experiment as well17:31
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smokutimeless, couldn't you just recompile the problematic binary for your glibc?17:32
* jedix is still trying to get crosscompile working in obs17:32
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timeless_mbpsmoku: you mean the entirely meego platform?17:33
timeless_mbpyeah, that sounds like fun17:33
timeless_mbpi think that's precisely why i asked someone else to build meego for me in the first place17:33
jedixhaha17:34
jedixcan't you just clone the obs if you have access?17:34
timeless_mbpi don't have access17:34
jedixme either!17:34
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timeless_mbpand i don't think it's any more likely to work than the rootfs i got that didn't work17:34
jedixI'm trying to clone the binaries and setup an obs server to build17:35
timeless_mbpi could just build xz, since that's all i think i need today17:35
timeless_mbpbut it's more fun to complain about meego-sb2 in general than xz17:35
jedixsb2? xz?17:35
timeless_mbpgoogle?17:36
jedixhehe17:36
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jedixscratchbox 2?17:36
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jedixit's annoying because setting up cross compile expects you to have access to an obs that has support for the arch/distro17:43
jedixif that was the case.. I'd just use that17:44
lbtdoes it?17:44
jedixwell, the docs do17:44
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jedixthey seem to assume building debian17:45
timeless_mbpobs is 'opensuse-build-system'17:46
timeless_mbpyou should be able to find setup instructions from opensuse :)17:47
timeless_mbpthe debian instructions is because some people drank the nokia coolaid17:47
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timeless_mbpand thus have debian systems and need extra help17:47
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jedixhttp://en.opensuse.org/Build_Service/Concepts/CrossDevelopment uses debian setup for the example17:47
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jedixit says to grab the prjconf from the debian:etch builds17:47
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jedixwhich doesn't work for me :/17:48
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timeless_mbpjedix: i think that's for targeting debian17:49
timeless_mbpwhich is obviously harder to do on an opensuse box17:49
timeless_mbpand thus more interesting of a demo17:49
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timeless_mbphttp://wiki.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_Installation_CentOS17:51
timeless_mbpmight be interesting17:51
smokutimeless, you can build meego image in meego chroot17:51
smokutim_jenssen, http://wiki.meego.com/Image_Creation#Running_mic-chroot17:52
timeless_mbpsmoku: thanks17:52
timeless_mbpdid you notice that i don't have a working meego chroot?17:52
smokudamn autocomplete :/17:52
* timeless_mbp kills smoku for offering a catch-2217:52
smokucouldn't you just download a working one?17:53
timeless_mbpi've downloaded two17:53
timeless_mbpneither worked17:53
timeless_mbpdo you think this is fun?17:54
smokuI'm sorry I tried to help. I will shut up now.17:54
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jedixtimeless_mbp: where'd you get your chroot imates?17:59
jediximages even17:59
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slainemy brain has turned to mush18:03
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Stskeepsit's friday, it's normal18:03
Stskeeps:P18:03
lcukdid cosmohill manage to finish his assignment18:03
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* lbt yawns18:04
lbtpounds at sqlalchemy18:04
* CosmoHill sticks an orange in lbt's mouth18:04
slaineStill writing that repot CosmoHill18:04
CosmoHillall done and handed in :D18:04
slaineyay18:05
lcuk<lcuk> did cosmohill manage to finish his assignment18:05
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CosmoHill:D18:05
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timeless_mbpjedix: one from meego.com and one from Stskeeps18:06
timeless_mbpafaik his image is still online, and i grabbed the url from public irc logs18:07
jedixthe meego.com is devel?18:07
CosmoHill8 page report, 55 pages of code :o18:07
slaineCosmoHill: well done18:10
CosmoHill:)18:10
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TSCHAKeeehave you ever...passed out...because you were home alone...depressed about your ex-girlfriend....so you...put on some brazillian midget porn...and proceeded to masturbate...but you....used a little too much lube...and you slipped...and twisted yourself up in your sex swing....and got the harness wrapped around your neck at the exact moment you were about to drop a load....so you choked yourself? .... eh, neither have I.18:13
Termanaheh, wrong channel? :P18:13
TermanaIf not, I'm not sure we wanted to hear that.18:14
TSCHAKeeeoh, damn. I thought this was #psychiatry18:14
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DawnFosterok, people.18:15
CosmoHillhey DawnFoster18:15
DawnFosterSee, I *am* paying attention :)18:15
CosmoHillI've desided not to read what TSCHAKeee said18:16
CosmoHilldecided *18:16
DawnFosterhey CosmoHill - sounds like you finished one heck of an assignment18:16
CosmoHill:)18:16
CosmoHill3 more to go :(18:16
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mandarameego 1.0 should be released at end of May?18:22
lbtTSCHAKeee: that's not midget porn... it's just that the Joggler only has a 5" screen...18:22
TSCHAKeee;)18:23
lbtstop being miserable : http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=105529266158916&ref=mf18:23
lbtgo and apply... but note that you just lost DawnFoster as a character reference  (although I think you gained w00t_)18:24
th0br0to write C++ or in Qt tool kit.18:24
th0br0fix?18:24
lbtth0br0: it's a code18:24
lbtembedded message18:24
CosmoHillhey th0br018:24
DawnFoster:)18:25
* lcuk shudders at facepalm required to apply18:25
w00t_lbt: that hurts18:25
th0br0huh?18:25
w00t_:P18:25
lbtTSCHAKeee: you still looking for work?18:26
DawnFosterAlso, there are some other cool MeeGo jobs posted in the LinkedIn group (Linux devs, Qt, Linux UI eng, etc.): http://bit.ly/dnTr1318:26
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th0br0just what is the eu equivalent of a technical diploma?18:26
th0br0BSoC?18:26
th0br0eeh18:26
th0br0BoS18:26
lbtdepends how old you are18:26
slaineDawnFoster: what LinkedIn group is that ?18:26
lbthand-drawn certificate from the monks...18:26
th0br0;)18:27
DawnFosterit's a MeeGo linked in group - not sure who created it18:27
th0br0ya nvm. it's still some time until i quit school anyway... i'm not even sure whether I want to join the it industry afterwards18:27
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CosmoHillI'd like one of these18:28
CosmoHillhttp://black-flag.co.uk/files/two-audis.jpg18:28
lbtth0br0: <shock> .... "not IT!"18:30
lbtmeh...18:30
th0br0;)18:31
lbthttp://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/Tuscan/20061007-160737-PS_Lg.jpg18:32
lbtget a cat...18:32
CosmoHillcan i have both?18:32
TSCHAKeeeok, I applied18:32
lbtCosmoHill: http://www.dgreaves.com/bins/Cars/06-DB7-or-XKR_Lg.jpg  sure...18:32
lbtIT sucks....18:33
TSCHAKeeeof course, i am self taught, so.. am wondering if they'll ever look at it :P18:33
lbtTSCHAKeee: demonstrate competence18:33
th0br0TSCHAKeee: what's your cv?18:34
TSCHAKeeemy cv is mostly lots of experience, little education.18:34
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TSCHAKeeebut i am an odd case, i was programming 6502 assembler when I was 4.18:35
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th0br0:D18:36
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* CosmoHill was 11 when he got a PC18:36
th0br0when i was that age i was only toying around with dos and win 3.1 ;)18:36
TSCHAKeeewow18:36
TSCHAKeeethanks for making me feel old18:36
TSCHAKeee;)18:36
* lcuk might get round to updating linkedin profile with recent activities18:37
th0br0:P18:37
TSCHAKeeeand it's MS-DOS :P18:37
CosmoHilli was about 5 when we got our first PC18:37
CosmoHilli wasn't allowed to touch it18:37
TSCHAKeeeany of you brits in here remember the RiscPC? ;)18:37
TSCHAKeee(or the BBC computer?) ;)18:37
CosmoHillAcorn?18:37
TSCHAKeeeyup18:37
CosmoHilli think i was 618:38
th0br0True, TSCHAKeee.18:38
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* TSCHAKeee has a few acorn in my collection18:38
TSCHAKeeeincluding an Electron18:38
DawnFosterMy first computer was an an Atari 400xl :)18:38
TSCHAKeeeDawnFoster: 600XL?18:38
CosmoHillmy first computer was a time machine18:38
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TSCHAKeeeDawnFoster: I know that architecture very well.. it was what I learned 6502 assembler on.18:38
DawnFosterI had a 400xl and then an 800xl18:39
lcukTSCHAKeee, dawn laughs at your assembler knowledge, i bet she would enter binary manually whilst sipping an icecream :p18:39
TSCHAKeeemy atari 8-bits... Atari 400, Atari 800, Atari 800XL, Atari 1200XL, and my little jewel, an actual Atari 1450XLD18:39
lcuk( i almost said an alcoholic drink but i dont think that started so early :P)18:40
DawnFosterlcuk: I wish!18:40
TSCHAKeeea few of us were actually able to pull 4,096 colours out of the ANTIC by doing a combo of DLI tricks and page flipping between three color separated images.18:40
DawnFosterI was more of a sys admin than a programmer, but I did some assembly in college18:40
TSCHAKeee:)18:41
* CosmoHill hands DawnFoster a hard drive and a magnetic needle and watches her program18:41
lcukhard level!18:41
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slaineI worked with a guy that programmed via switches and blinking lights18:41
TSCHAKeeethe atari 8-bit had so many neat hidden features...18:41
DawnFosterLet's just say that I'm better suited to community manager than programmer ;)18:41
TSCHAKeeeslaine: i have a few of those machines in my collection as well :)18:41
slaineI was playing with evil kenevil toys when I was 418:42
TSCHAKeeeslaine: my highlights include an Altair 8800, and a 680.. a PDP 11/45, a DG Nova...18:42
lcuki recall entering mandelbrot assembler/hex into my spectrum18:42
lcukand watching it spend 24hours to render a single frame18:42
TSCHAKeee(of the ones that are switchy/blinkylights)18:42
lcuki was awestruck18:42
TSCHAKeee:)18:43
TSCHAKeeethe Speccy18:43
TSCHAKeeea triumph of inexpensive design18:43
lcuknow on my 810/900s i can do it in realtime18:43
TSCHAKeeegot computers into so many hands in the UK18:43
lcukyeah was a win18:43
lcukJPP18:43
slaineMy first computer was a C64, the floppy drive cost so much, that by the time I'd saved enough for it, we sold the C64, used the floppy drive money and I bought an Amiga A50018:43
TSCHAKeeeI was a long time C64 and Amiga user as well18:43
smokuTSCHAKeee, wasn't that blinking like hell? i remember even 2 images interlace modes were flickering on C64 if you weren't carefull which colors you mixed18:44
lcukbeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeep beep  beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee bediddldklidldidildlidliddildidlddidl18:44
TSCHAKeeemy last Amiga was a 4000.18:44
CosmoHillI started programming in 200518:44
TSCHAKeeesmoku: oh yes.18:44
slaineNice18:44
slaineI was playing with my a500 a few months back. Still works great18:44
TSCHAKeeeI got to meet Jay Miner before he died18:44
smokuTSCHAKeee, so 4096 is purely theoretical :D18:44
TSCHAKeeegave him a hug18:44
TSCHAKeeefor designing such an amazing set of chips18:45
lcuksmoku, 4096 was feasible18:45
TSCHAKeee(I did the same to Joe DeCuir many years later)18:45
lcukham worked well18:45
TSCHAKeeeHAM worked REALLY well18:45
pippin... also the standard VGA could be tricked into true color modes using page flipping tricks and switching around of the pallette ...18:45
TSCHAKeeepippin: yup, unchaining18:45
lcukslaine, the amiga remains one of the marvels of engineering18:45
lcukthe components work so well together18:46
TSCHAKeeepippin: many of us tore through Abrash's book detailing on those subjects...18:46
smokulcuk, you can't really consider blinking black/white as 33% gray :)18:46
slaineMy RAD setup disk for Workbench 1.3 disk still worked too. Rebooted into a full gui in 2 seconds18:46
TSCHAKeeelcuk: completely agreed. I used mine for professional work all the way into 2000.18:46
TSCHAKeeethe Atari ST also had great bootup times too18:46
pippinTSCHAKeee: I didnt read abrash, but back in the day my favourite trick was to do 256x256 in 256 color mode, a putpixel can have its y in ah and x in al then, no other offset math needed :)18:46
TSCHAKeeefrom black to GEM in 2 seconds18:47
TSCHAKeeepippin: :)18:47
lcukVGA xmode was a game changer too18:47
slaineI cut my chops on the C64 and A500 and then got a PC when I got my first job18:47
lcuk320*200 planar 256 color uber quick18:47
TSCHAKeeemy primary machines were my Amiga, my TT030, and my NeXTStation in the mid 90s... at the time, my PC was a toy.18:47
slainefirst computer I felt that comfort zone from the Amiga was my first Mac18:48
TSCHAKeeethe mac felt like a dumb blonde to me18:48
TSCHAKeeepretty, but compared to the amiga, lacking in substance.18:48
TSCHAKeeefelt  that way for many years18:48
slaineI didn't get a Mac 'til 10.318:48
TSCHAKeeebut I remember people I knew18:48
slaineand that was full unix with a nice gui as far as I was concerned at the time18:49
TSCHAKeeeliterally bewildered18:49
TSCHAKeeethat my Amiga was MULTITASKING18:49
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lcukamigabasic manual :)18:49
TSCHAKeeeyeek18:49
TSCHAKeeeleave it to microsoft18:49
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lcuki had that in bathroom for years18:49
slainehehe, those where the days18:49
TSCHAKeeeto make one of the weirdest basic implementations EVER18:49
lcukbut it worked18:49
TSCHAKeeeand boy howdy18:49
TSCHAKeeeSLOOOOW18:49
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TSCHAKeee:)18:49
slaineI learned how to program from that book and from listings in magazines18:50
TSCHAKeeeno wonder AMOS took off18:50
TSCHAKeee:)18:50
lcukTSCHAKeee, if you think thats slow, things have gone downhill since18:50
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TSCHAKeeelcuk: yeah... i know18:50
TSCHAKeeelcuk: most desktops now...feel about as fast....as workbench on my A50018:50
slainewe sound like a bunch of oldtimers18:50
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lcukarexx - another wonder that python is only just scratching the surface with18:50
TSCHAKeeeand my a500 still felt faster18:50
slaineWait.....18:50
TSCHAKeeelcuk: agreed... REXX was an amazing language... and it was an interesting choice to port it18:50
lcukcygnused pwns all for speed/flexibility18:51
TSCHAKeeeand boy howdy did EVERYTHING18:51
TSCHAKeeetake advantage of AREXX18:51
slainenever had the 2.x roms so never got to play with AREXX18:51
TSCHAKeeearexx and directoryopus18:51
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TSCHAKeeecould freaking move mountains18:51
TSCHAKeeebut if you guys want to see fast18:52
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TSCHAKeeeand i mean holy shit fast18:52
lcukportrait dopus clone would be good on n90018:52
TSCHAKeeewhoa whoa whoa fast18:52
TSCHAKeeego boot AROS sometime18:52
lcukand having 2 n900s next to each other would be really cool18:52
TSCHAKeeeor AmigaOS 418:52
TSCHAKeeefrom black to desktop in 5 seconds.18:52
CosmoHillbtw you guys might get to see my report / assignment later18:53
CosmoHilldepends if my lecturer will allow me to share it18:54
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CosmoHilland also after i get my grades18:54
TSCHAKeeecool18:54
TSCHAKeeewhy wouldn't he tho? you wrote it18:54
smokuTSCHAKeee, Amiga Workbench felto so fast, because Intuition was a separate process responsible for handling the whole UI and had the highest priority. No other system followed that design. Apple is doing something similiar in iPhone, but not quite this well. :)18:54
CosmoHilli think it's university property18:54
lcukCosmoHill, sure thing, your epic has been great to hear :)18:54
CosmoHillbut I'm not sure18:54
TSCHAKeeeand it's not like, in real genius, he's going to take the laser and run off with it to some sekrit military project, right? :P :)18:54
lcukask them if its possible, host it on their servers and give props to the tutors18:55
TSCHAKeeesmoku: indeed. I am very familiar with the underlying system design..18:55
VDVsxlinux hackers looking for a job take a look: http://www.facebook.com/event.php?eid=105529266158916 ;)18:55
CosmoHillhmm18:56
CosmoHillNokia X6 for £25 a month18:56
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lcuki think luke got himself an x618:56
CosmoHillLuke/18:56
lcuknot sure18:56
lcukluke == my eldest18:56
CosmoHillcool18:56
VDVsxwhy not an N900 ? :D18:57
CosmoHillhe's not 21 is he?18:57
lcukbecause i cant afford to buy him one - i already spent money getting tracy one18:57
TSCHAKeeehehehehhe18:58
TSCHAKeeekids...wanting...an N900?18:58
TSCHAKeee*scratch-head*18:58
lcukyeah18:58
TSCHAKeeeyou'd think...they'd want an iPhone or something18:58
TSCHAKeee*runs*18:58
TSCHAKeee:)18:58
lcukhttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g3pvdFpA1II18:58
lcukbut iphone doesnt do this :p18:58
CosmoHillthe iphone looks nice18:58
TSCHAKeeeyeah, but again18:58
TSCHAKeeeapple18:59
TSCHAKeeedumb blonde18:59
TSCHAKeeepretty on outside18:59
CosmoHillbut it still doesn't do what EVERY OTHER PHONE ON THE MARKET can do18:59
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TSCHAKeeenot much but hot air past the chest18:59
TSCHAKeee:P18:59
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CosmoHillTSCHAKeee: sex bot18:59
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CosmoHillpretty on the outside, eletrical shock hazard on the inside18:59
TSCHAKeeeCosmoHill: my last girlfriend was a brazillian. hell yes.19:00
TSCHAKeeebut i always get the smart psychotic ones19:00
CosmoHillBrazillian or Made in Brazil?19:00
TSCHAKeee:(19:00
lcukare brazilians known for their electricity?19:00
TSCHAKeeeCosmoHill: both.19:00
lcuki somehow think of lawnmowers and parties19:00
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CosmoHilllcuk: the library study room door handles are19:00
CosmoHillthose things are painful19:01
* TSCHAKeee still licking his wounds.19:01
* CosmoHill pets TSCHAKeee 19:01
Votanonly thing i know about brazil is they got some hot chics daynign half naked in the streets  :>19:01
lcukVotan, hence lawnmowers and parties19:01
TSCHAKeeei loved her.. .but she realized she didn't love me19:01
TSCHAKeeeand that... she was going to have to change me... into what she wanted.19:02
lcukyou mean you would have to become a man?19:03
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Termanalcuk, your in love with the knight rider lighting aren't you? :P19:03
TSCHAKeeelcuk: the man, she wanted.19:03
lcukTermana, i just like doing cool stuff19:03
TSCHAKeeewhich really isn't fair19:04
TSCHAKeeebut19:04
TSCHAKeeewhat can I do19:04
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lcukseeing something cool using only 6 leds is sometimes better than seeing what a top of the range high spec big pc can do with uber graphics cards and billions of polygons19:04
lcuk"oh look a rainbow effect underwater"19:05
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lcukbesides Termana using those lights would be cool to "heat up " the screen19:06
lcukand make bubbles come out at the bottom and float up19:06
lcukpress a key light comes on bubbles appear19:06
TSCHAKeeei look at these ARM based computers19:06
TSCHAKeeeand realize, computers are fun again19:06
TSCHAKeeebecause we have a chance to make something better19:07
TSCHAKeeeand get away from the god awful desktop paradigm19:07
lcukTSCHAKeee, the desktop paradigm has always been escapbable19:08
lcukive been coding for years without thinking about it19:08
epictetusi just hope Microsoft doesn't take the hint from Apple/ipad and make it so with Windows 8, you can only buy applications directly from microsoft, and microsoft takes a 30% cut off the top of the world software market19:08
TSCHAKeeeso have I, but my focus is precisely on alternate user interfaces19:09
TSCHAKeeeI've been a primary user of Squeak for over a decade19:09
TSCHAKeeetrying to get other people to use it? hah19:09
TSCHAKeeetried..been there..done that...19:09
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GAN900TSCHAKeee, I love the combination of both, personally.19:09
TSCHAKeeeGAN900: my focus right now, is to try and create a user experience for an entire hous19:10
CosmoHillhey GAN90019:10
lcukGAN900, i dont think anybody wants to remove desktops - they work so damned well as is.  but theres more to life19:10
TSCHAKeeeGAN900: to see if it is feasibly possible, and try to figure out what it would work like...19:10
CosmoHillis it a good idea to learn dvorak when you have a workload/19:10
CosmoHillinstead of just in your spare time?19:10
TSCHAKeeeCosmoHill: up to you. I can't use dvorak because I am left handed19:10
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lcukits never a good idea to learn dvorak19:10
* CosmoHill blinks19:10
lcukTSCHAKeee, left handed variations are around19:10
TSCHAKeee(ironically, the very thing Sholes keyboard layout was designed to do, make it slow to type, by pushing the most used keys as far apart as possible, also makes it left handed, and thus, insanely fast for me)19:11
lcukanything is fast given enough practice19:11
TSCHAKeeeI use a chord keyset on my main workstation19:12
lcukit was so the hammers o nthe typewriter didnt intefere - not for speed19:12
TSCHAKeeei got one after I saw Doug Engelbart's demo...19:12
TSCHAKeeeand loved it ever since.19:12
TSCHAKeeelcuk: correct.19:12
lbtwhat's the meego N8x0 status?19:13
CosmoHillI think I'll stick with qwerty atm19:13
slaineepictetus: and what exactly do you think nokia and intel are going to do with their appup/ovi stores, give it all away for free ?19:13
TSCHAKeeeeverybody wants an app store19:13
TSCHAKeee:P :)19:13
TSCHAKeeei'm just concerned, about 50 billion forks of meego19:13
TSCHAKeeeall slightly incompatible19:14
TSCHAKeeebecause the vendors up top wanna make a quick buck19:14
TSCHAKeeeintel meego?19:14
TSCHAKeeenokia meego?19:14
TSCHAKeeeopenpeak meego?19:14
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TSCHAKeeemeego meego?19:14
TSCHAKeee:P19:14
lbtwatch out for my blog on this later TSCHAKeee19:14
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lbtassuming DawnFoster aggregated me :)19:14
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TSCHAKeeeas for the ovi store19:16
DawnFosterlbt: ping me when you have your first post in that feed :) Then I'll add you to the aggregator19:16
TSCHAKeeea bit light on the shelves, isn't it? ;)19:16
lbtDawnFoster: ta.. :)19:16
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CosmoHillunlike my other assignments, my programming one is all over the place :(19:16
TSCHAKeeenow if I could just systematically beat open source programmers on the head about their stupid #(@$#@($ naming of software...19:17
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TSCHAKeeeman, i am #@($(@# VIBRATING19:20
TSCHAKeeeI WANT TO SEE UX CODE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!19:20
* Stskeeps passes TSCHAKeee a good pint19:20
TSCHAKeeethank you19:20
TSCHAKeeesorry, too much coffee.19:20
lbtTSCHAKeee: have you got that Joggler doing anything interesting yet?19:21
lcukwhy in open source are we waiting to see what other people do?19:21
lbtlcuk: indeed19:21
* lbt just built a package against the community OBS :)19:22
TSCHAKeeelcuk: i've been building stuff in clutter, but I want to see some of the patterns and architecture present in the UX code19:22
lbtclutter... nooooo19:22
VDVsxehhe19:22
lbtgtk.... <sob>19:22
* lbt goes to lie down19:22
TSCHAKeeelcuk: my goal is to create a Home UX19:22
lbtIN Qt DAMNIT19:22
lbtI didn't ship that thing thousands of miles for you to run Gtk on it!!!19:23
lbtget a grip man19:23
TSCHAKeee:P19:23
TSCHAKeeeright now19:24
TSCHAKeeei am trying to figure out19:24
TSCHAKeeehow to blur the stage19:24
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TSCHAKeeeso that EVERYTHING behind the stage appears blurred19:24
JartzaI don't have so religious feelings towards either gtk or qt :)19:24
TSCHAKeee(composited window)19:24
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TSCHAKeeehas anyone done this?19:24
lcukyeah maemo does in the gtk clutter compositor19:24
TSCHAKeeethis is critical to the UI look that I want to be able to pull off...19:24
TSCHAKeeebecause Orbiter wraps other applications19:25
TSCHAKeeelike Xine19:25
TSCHAKeeeand mame19:25
TSCHAKeeeetc...19:25
* lcuk goes back to 6 little leds and simpler more effective less battery draining fun19:25
TSCHAKeeethese are just normal X windows19:25
JartzaI've always believed that the tool you know how to use, is the correct one for the task :)19:25
lbtperl19:25
TSCHAKeeeand they need to be blurred etc when the orbiter UI is in front19:25
Jartzabe it either gtk or qt19:25
* lcuk believes you prototype the effect you want in a specific case then make it for a the general19:26
Jartzalbt: well if you only knew perl and nothing else, yes.19:26
TSCHAKeeeoh snap19:26
lcukTSCHAKeee, you have an n900?19:26
TSCHAKeeehahahahahaha19:26
TSCHAKeeelcuk: yes19:26
JartzaI only have n80019:27
Jartza:)19:27
TSCHAKeeethe various source components of maemo seem to have disappeared temporarily during the shift to meego19:27
lcukdownload hyperui if you can and have a look :) its nice and fast - its a none working example but the principles look simple and logical19:27
lbtJartza: perl is never the correct answer; but it's usually the best answer19:27
lcukit reminds me a lot of liq* code :)19:27
TSCHAKeeeok19:27
TSCHAKeeeyes, i have hyperUI19:27
lcuki just wish more of qt apps were oriented to be pluginable19:28
TSCHAKeeeof all the C++ toolkits19:28
TSCHAKeeeqt is the one i can stand the most19:28
TSCHAKeeeunfortunately, all of linuxmce is written in STL19:28
TSCHAKeee*facepalm*19:28
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TSCHAKeee*bang-skull-with-a-brick*19:28
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lcukno, most of minuxmce is written in autogenerator19:28
lcukthe core app without all that cant be that big19:29
TSCHAKeeedon't make me glass you19:29
TSCHAKeee:P19:29
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TSCHAKeeelcuk: and yes, actually take a look at some bits of the code, for example, the main orbiter class is 12,000 lines long19:30
TSCHAKeeemedia plugin's main class is similar19:30
TSCHAKeeeand i would kill them for that19:30
TSCHAKeeeif i knew where in romania to find them19:30
TSCHAKeee:P19:30
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* slaine still codes in C 95% of the time19:34
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lcukslaine, i think in c no matter what language im working on - recently thats been bash,c++,python :D19:37
slainelcuk, thats sums me up perfectly19:37
lcukim really liking python tho - but i seem to be working it a bit hard19:38
slaineI code c++ like c with classes and function overloading. Once upon a time that was perfectly acceptable. I don't think it is now.19:38
slainesnap19:38
* lcuk thinks in objects and classes - CFront style19:38
slaineI seem to want to like python more than I do though19:38
slainepeer pressure possibly.19:39
lcuki dont mind it makes excellent prototyping19:39
slaineI find I use python for certain types of scripting work that bash would be cumbersome in.19:39
lcuki just wis h the autocompiler from python to c++ would give usable results19:39
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slaineI also mocked up a few apps using it to prove a point, gstreamer based IPTV app for example19:40
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CosmoHillI know, HTML, CSS, PHP, shell (kinda), C, Java, AS3, javascript and C++19:41
lcukyeah as glue its great19:41
CosmoHillive probably missed some19:41
lcuki have just been stretching out and finding its limits19:41
lcukmade a particle system using it19:41
lcukbeyond 30 or so it makes whole countries cry19:42
lcukon desktop its reasonable, but still slower than years old vb code19:42
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CosmoHill(oh and mysql and mssql)19:43
* lbt thinks we should do more functional coding with objects19:43
slaineman, talking of old school19:43
slaineDid you see the news on Voyager 219:44
slainemuch respect to the grey beards working on solving that one19:44
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lcuklbt agreed19:45
lcuksimple logical classes with distint progression methods19:45
lcukdistinct19:45
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TSCHAKeeelbt: did I hear somebody say functional programming? ERLANG!!! :D19:56
lbtnah... more... perl .... or C++ or python19:57
lbtjust not Java-like19:57
* TSCHAKeee thinks more ppl need to look at erlang19:57
lbtcould be... but then there's an accessibility issue too19:58
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lbtI'd like to see features from that type of language integratred into things like python/perl19:58
lbtI am looking forward to perl6 actually19:58
lbtthe ability to :   use erlang;19:59
lbtis quite amazing19:59
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lcuklbt, in ##c they have a compiler bot :D20:01
lcukits multi language and they also use an online codepad which does similar20:01
lcukyou just specify little code lines and it gives you the results20:01
lbtperl6 is interesting since the use declaration defines the syntax parsing for the next code area20:02
lbtso you can use python; and then write whitespace indent controlled code20:02
lbtor use lisp;20:02
lbtand use ()(()))20:02
lcukneat20:02
lbtdamn that imbalance is annoying20:02
lbt((()(()))20:02
lbtbetter20:03
lbtmutter need emacs irc mode20:03
lbtanyhow... it's really cool stuff20:03
lcukstill missing a )20:03
lbtI know... don't point it out to me20:04
lcuk;)20:04
lbtjust call me adrian20:04
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lbtDawnFoster: ping...20:26
lbthttp://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/it-was-dawn-of-3rd-age.html20:26
DawnFosterdone!20:28
DawnFosterbonus points for using my name in the post :)20:28
DawnFosterit will take a few minutes to populate to the planet20:28
lcuki like the Dawn bit lbt lol20:29
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CosmoHillI duno about you but I can't seem to get 3D to work20:29
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TSCHAKeeelbt: are we a babylon 5 fan?20:36
TSCHAKeee:P :)20:36
* TSCHAKeee is20:36
RST38hIs lbt a royalty?20:36
RST38hOr a chief editor?20:37
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lbtTSCHAKeee: just had a 2 episodes-a-day marathon...20:58
TSCHAKeeelbt: my favourite is still the end of season 420:59
lcukxanthros says you are the one.20:59
lcukyou are the one who was, you are the one who is, you are the one who will be.21:00
TSCHAKeeeand you are the one...who gave me gas...21:00
* lcuk gets a shiver whenever he watches that scene21:00
lbtit's a great bit of writing...21:00
TSCHAKeeeyes21:00
TSCHAKeeethat one too21:00
TSCHAKeeei have a friend who is a writing buff and he swears the writing is terrible21:00
TSCHAKeeei completely disagree21:00
TSCHAKeeeit is one of the most daring experiments in television history21:00
TSCHAKeeea full length novel spread across television21:01
lbtand on re-watching it is quite clear that there were lots of stage actors21:01
lbtwho tend to dominate somewhat21:01
TSCHAKeeemichael o'hare21:01
TSCHAKeeeaka Michael o'hmygodthoseareTHEBIGGESTEYEBROWSI'VEEVERSEEN!21:01
lbtmeh... he was a weak link IMHO21:01
lcuksorry, no thats david tennant21:02
TSCHAKeeei liked that they chose Bruce Boxleitner21:02
TSCHAKeeewho... i'm rather glad....21:02
TSCHAKeeewill be back....21:02
TSCHAKeeein the new TRON.21:02
th0br0back.21:02
TSCHAKeeealthough what the hell21:02
th0br0What did you watch lbt?21:03
TSCHAKeeethey completely decolourized the tron universe!21:03
lbtAndreas Katsulas21:03
TSCHAKeeeyes, andreas21:03
lbtBab 5 th0br0 ...21:03
TSCHAKeeegreat shakespearean actor!21:03
th0br0Mh, I never watched it it seems.21:03
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TSCHAKeeeand Peter Jurasik21:03
lbtHe and Peter Jurasik21:03
TSCHAKeeeyup, each21:03
TSCHAKeeeupstaging21:03
lbtth0br0: it is good21:03
TSCHAKeeethe other21:03
TSCHAKeee;)21:03
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th0br0mh. maybe i'll get some episodes21:04
lcuklbt :) g'kar and londo were character matches beyond comprehension21:04
th0br0Although, right now I'm sorta hooked up on japanese dramas.21:04
TSCHAKeeeth0br0: you have to watch it all21:04
TSCHAKeeeyou can not21:04
TSCHAKeeewatch21:04
TSCHAKeeeindividual episodes21:04
th0br0TSCHAKeee: I was talking about the first few episodes21:04
TSCHAKeeeit will not make sense21:04
lbtlcuk: yeah. they were21:04
th0br0And deciding whether to continue afterwards21:04
lbtth0br0: there's no decision...21:04
TSCHAKeeeand the WHOLE first season21:04
TSCHAKeeeis exposition21:04
th0br0:P lbt21:05
TSCHAKeeewhich alienated people21:05
TSCHAKeeebut those that stuck around21:05
TSCHAKeeegot a great show :)21:05
lbtyeah, it was the connectivity across 5 years...21:05
slaineseason 1 was more like traditional shows of the time21:05
slainethere was a story arc, but you could watch episodes individually21:06
lbtand the "ah, that scene from 3 years ago makes sense now"21:06
slaineawesome stuff21:06
lbtth0br0: http://mer-l-in.blogspot.com/2010/05/it-was-dawn-of-3rd-age.html21:06
TSCHAKeeeahhh the centauri21:07
TSCHAKeeemasters of the really bad21:07
TSCHAKeeefake accents21:07
TSCHAKeee;)21:07
lbthair?21:07
TSCHAKeeeyes, that too21:07
TSCHAKeee;)21:07
slaineexcept the women21:07
microlithB5?21:07
TSCHAKeeebut you notice21:07
TSCHAKeeeEACH AND EVERY CENTAURI SPOKE A DIFFERENT ACCENT?21:08
lbtmicrolith: *nod*21:08
TSCHAKeee;)21:08
lbtTSCHAKeee: humanist21:08
TSCHAKeeeLord Reefer21:08
lcukTSCHAKeee, no different to the world21:08
slaineTSCHAKeee: each and everyone of us probably do too21:08
TSCHAKeee(kidding)21:08
TSCHAKeeebut the whole third season was one big barrage of ass kicking21:09
th0br0sounds nice lbt...21:09
lbtfingers crossed...21:10
* jedix checks what channel this is21:10
TSCHAKeee(worth to know... Peter Jurasik was in TRON as well)21:10
lbtreally.. cool...21:10
TSCHAKeeeyup, as Chrome21:10
lbtjedix: it's not Debian21:10
TSCHAKeeethe actuarial program that Flynn meets upon getting shoved int othe game grid.21:10
slaineyeah, he was an accounts program21:10
lcukwhen i pass, i'd like to explore space beyond the galactic rim :)21:10
jedixwhere'd that come from?21:10
TSCHAKeeelcuk: me too...21:11
TSCHAKeeeme too...21:11
TSCHAKeeejedix: HI! WELCOME TO #geekPopCulture!21:11
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TSCHAKeee:D21:11
jedixhehe21:11
th0br0but what is the roadmap for maemo?21:11
th0br0I mean, how long will maemo be still around?21:11
lbtjedix: friday nights get get a bit less ... formal21:11
TSCHAKeeeth0br0: somewhere beyond the rim...21:11
lbtth0br0: for ages21:11
TSCHAKeee*ba-dum-ching*21:12
jedixlbt: oh, it's still afternoon for me21:12
lbt:)21:12
CosmoHilllcuk:I started my assignment on the 11th of april according to the change lot :o21:12
th0br0so nokia actually plans to have maemo AND meego?21:12
TSCHAKeeejedix: you just missed it too, we were about to discuss Wil Wheaton's importance to ST:TNG!21:12
* TSCHAKeee runs!!!21:12
lcukGUARDS!21:13
th0br0CosmoHill: be glad that you don't have to do any gui.21:13
lcuksend him to the brig21:13
CosmoHillI got capped on my last assignment because I dumped the non-working GUI code :(21:13
th0br0I have to do a GUI for some application right now... but I DON'T WANT TO. GUI development & design is a pita. especially when you don't know the tools21:13
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th0br0CosmoHill: you mean the one you just completed?21:13
CosmoHillmy previous one I did in java21:13
th0br0ah ok.21:13
th0br0Besides, why does the ScriptDebugger not use any UI files :) I'd so very much like to steal their code edit widget and console widget ...21:14
CosmoHillhttp://forums.kustompcs.co.uk/showthread.php?p=472048#post47204821:14
CosmoHillnow that is a mouse mat!21:14
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th0br0CosmoHill: looks like cheap razr clones.21:15
CosmoHillthe big mouce mat graeme is holding up?21:15
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th0br0no, the lower ones.21:16
th0br0s/the lower ones/the mice below/21:16
infobotth0br0 meant: no, the mice below.21:16
th0br0the mice below below21:17
th0br0hopping on the grass the grass the grass21:17
CosmoHillhttp://www.kustompcs.co.uk/acatalog/info_3167.html21:18
* CosmoHill might get this21:18
CosmoHillbut then again I look up shiny things I want but rarely buy :(21:19
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th0br0Mh, the Centauris are cool.22:08
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lcukth0br0, the Narn Regime would disagree22:11
th0br0Well, their behaviour / pronunciation is cool.22:11
th0br0And I'm just 5 minutes into the series22:11
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th0br0Skipping my task to write up some minor ide in qt.22:11
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th0br0So who was / is some real stage actor in there?22:13
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xxdbxxHola.23:38
thiago_homehello23:39
Jartzahmm.23:39
Jartzathere seems to be a lot of open jobs in maemo/meego/qt -development23:40
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thiago_homewhere do you see that?23:42
Jartzathiago_home: because headhunters keep calling :)23:43
thiago_homeinteresting23:44
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thiago_homethat's good to know23:44
thiago_homeI haven't had a headhunter call in a while though23:44
Jartzame neither23:44
Jartzathey started calling again around a month ago23:44
Jartzait's been silent for few years23:45
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Jartzaalthough, I'm not sure how the international situation is, but at least here in Finland we seem to have quite many companies in need of maemo/meego/qt -experts23:48
thiago_homeuh... yeah23:49
thiago_homethe country where Nokia is 3% of the GDP :-)23:49
Jartzayeah :)23:49
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CosmoHillhey thiago_home23:51
thiago_homehey CosmoHill23:51
CosmoHillprogramming assignment is done :)23:51
CosmoHillso I'm taking a night off23:51
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CosmoHillthanks for you help btw :P)23:55
CosmoHill* :)23:56
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CosmoHillI need NTP on  my server :(23:59

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