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tremnite all, sweet dreams00:20
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PostmanPechkhi) how are you?)00:22
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jedixso is there an rsync site for the devel branch yet?00:33
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CosmoHillth0br0: you about?00:52
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CosmoHillTime for bed. Cyas!02:14
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Termanagood morning02:22
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M0DCM_DaveWill Meego be compatible with Poulsbo devices?02:25
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hcl2what's the delay on putting up the UX code onto gitorious?02:44
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tripzerowe need a "car mode" ofono plugin04:39
tripzerothat sends an auto-response when you are in car-mode (ie, "don't talk to me I'm driving")04:40
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TSCHAKeeetripzero: does ofono do anything useful at present?04:59
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tripzeroTSCHAKeee, i believe so05:01
TermanaTSCHAKeee, sends sms'es and makes calls? :P05:01
TSCHAKeeedoes it?05:01
Termanayes05:01
tripzerobut i admit i've only seen it work with phonesim05:01
TSCHAKeee:/05:01
tripzerobut yes, it makes phone calls and sends/recv sms05:01
TSCHAKeeeok05:02
TSCHAKeeeshit. I am completely broke now05:03
TSCHAKeeetook three months05:03
TSCHAKeeeand i've got bills due05:03
TSCHAKeee*facepalm*05:03
tripzeropaying too much for pr0n?05:03
TSCHAKeeenot funny.05:04
TSCHAKeeelast contract ended in march05:04
TSCHAKeeeattached to 7 agencies05:04
TSCHAKeeecalling them twice a week05:04
TSCHAKeeenothing.05:04
tripzerooh, that does suck05:04
tripzerosorry about that05:04
TSCHAKeeeif i could build a fucking time machine05:04
TSCHAKeeeand tell myself to NOT go into that side line of web work05:05
TSCHAKeeei would05:05
TSCHAKeeeit has been a fucking plague on my whole damn resume05:05
TermanaI have a flux capacitor, would you like to borrow it?05:05
TSCHAKeeeyes please.05:05
tripzeroi also have weapons grade plutonium05:05
tripzeroto power it05:05
Termanatripzero, heh :P05:06
TermanaBut anyway, in all seriousness, I'm sorry to hear about all this TSCHAKeee.05:06
TSCHAKeeei just05:06
TSCHAKeeeneed a job05:06
TSCHAKeeeanything :(05:07
tripzeroi don't have much use for it these days anyway... countries now insist on making their own.  thanks iran05:07
TermanaTSCHAKeee, If something on your resume is letting you down, why not just not include it on there?05:07
TSCHAKeeebecause the last decade05:08
TSCHAKeeehas been dominated by it on my resume05:08
TSCHAKeeei'm a polymath.. have done a WHOLE bunch of different things05:08
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TSCHAKeeebut professionally, I look like a web guy05:08
TSCHAKeeenevermind I started designing my own computers when I was 7 (first one was a little Z80 machine)05:09
TSCHAKeeeor that i've spent time as a professional musician and recording engineer05:09
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TermanaAh. Well, wiping a whole decade off your resume probably wouldn't be the best idea in finding a job.05:09
TSCHAKeee(or a whole host of other things that I did just because...well.. it was fun)05:10
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TermanaTSCHAKeee, why not become an iPhone programmer. Isn't that the new "hot" programming job that is franticly looking for people? :P05:11
TSCHAKeeei have been trying but people have been looking for "experience"05:11
TSCHAKeeenevermind05:11
TSCHAKeeethat I do have Cocoa, and NeXTSTEP on my list05:11
TSCHAKeeeand that I had been dealing with both since 199005:11
TSCHAKeeebut no, i haven't spent 5 years developing iPhone apps05:11
TSCHAKeee(oh yes, people are putting that on their resumes)05:12
TermanaWhy not try going into a junior programming job? (ones that accept people with no field experience, normally the ones taken by people fresh out of college/uni)05:12
TSCHAKeee(nobody knows that Cocoa came from OpenStep, which came from NeXTSTEP, all of which share the same damn toolkit, same damn language.)05:12
TSCHAKeeeI am trying for anything05:13
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TermanaNokias hiring i heard :P05:15
TermanaFinland and Australia though (AFAIK) :P05:15
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Guest88263is there any document about how to setup the OBS for the meego? tks09:05
pupnikwhat's OBS?09:06
tekojoGuest88263: not that I know of09:08
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Guest88263OBS is short for openSUSE Build Service09:08
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pupnikThe pipeline will consist of: a community build system (OBS), a community repository, application09:13
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pupnikclients for MeeGo devices, the web backend for the clients and the backend that manages the repo09:14
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tekojopupinik, yes that is the idea09:18
pupnikGuest88263: here's some related discussion http://comments.gmane.org/gmane.comp.handhelds.meego.devel/135209:18
pupnikwell i'm quoting you :D09:18
Guest88263thk09:20
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pinchartlhi11:00
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maclaverhi11:35
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maclaverThiago, do you know if Qt Creator has any constraints on the documentation format for help files etc.?11:36
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thiagomaclaver: qch containing HTML only11:39
lcukthiago, where should i file bugs in the qt nokia sdk beta?11:40
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thiagolcuk: bugreports.qt.nokia.com, component Nokia Qt SDK Installer11:40
lcukok ta :)11:40
maclaverlcuk, what problems are you having with it?11:41
lcukmaclaver, wasnt a problem per say, but on the installer EULA, theres a couple of callout links to list the OSS licenses and the UELA specifics themselves - whilst installing i clicked them to read and got a blank editor - thereby allowing me to accept the EULA in all its terms without ever reading or being knowedgable about the advanced portions thereof11:42
maclaverOops, good thing it's a beta.11:42
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lcukyeah :) and whilst there are terms and conditions to it, at present i have a fully installed and accepted only a bare minimum EULA11:43
lcukwhich obviously isnt the desired effect11:43
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lcukmind you maclaver i guess im probably one of the first to try and read them ;)11:44
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maclaverTrue (working for Nokia I do not really have to).11:45
lcuksure you do11:45
lcukeveryone has rules :)11:45
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lcukand working for a company should make you even more observent of them :P11:45
maclaver:( Ok, I will make a point of reading them (when they are available).11:49
maclaverNot that I like reading the legalese....11:50
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lcukmaclaver, nobody does11:50
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lcuklegalese should be put to music11:51
lcukif the lawyers can sing it, it can be included11:51
maclaver(Maybe not, a bunch of tone-deaf lawyers singing the Microsoft EULA could be a traumatic experience).11:52
lcukmy point exactly11:54
lcukrewrite them until they are tuneful and memorable :D11:54
markattoI don't think that lawyers much care for our ears11:57
markattothey would be unlikely to change their stuff11:57
markattoI love how they always define things at the beginning11:58
markatto"yes" is defined to mean no.11:58
lcukthiago, maclaver http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTSDK-24 :)12:01
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Stskeepsmorning12:08
Corsachey Sts12:09
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slaineSo13:40
slainehow's everyone doing13:40
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slainenice a quiet I see13:43
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Stskeepsyeah, returning from denmark atm13:49
Stskeeps4 hours to go13:49
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slaineStskeeps: was it a good break ?13:54
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TheBootroohello ! any date for the meego 1.0 for N900 release ?15:46
Stskeepssometime in may i guess15:48
TheBootroo"Also, we are planning to enable dual booting of Maemo 5 and MeeGo for the upcoming release. So that will be offered as 3rd way to setup MeeGo to N900, including the existing “native” MeeGo only on N900 and chroot based MeeGo on Maemo 5 setups. Taking the dual boot mode into use likely includes upgrade to Maemo5 kernel as well, but that should not be big issue in the process of enabling that."15:48
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TheBootroois this meaning we need Maemo5 1.2 to dual boot meego ?15:48
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Stskeepsnah15:49
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Stskeepskexec kernels exist for pr1.1.115:50
TheBootroosource : http://www.nokian900applications.com/dual-boot-with-meego-and-maemo-5-in-nokia-n900/15:50
TheBootrooyes but it requires manual compilation of kernel + patches + flashing to work in 1.1.1 ?15:50
Stskeepsyes, i know15:50
Stskeepshopefully not15:50
TheBootroodoes it work with Titan's kenrel ?15:51
TheBootroo*kernel15:51
StskeepsB[B[Byes15:51
TheBootroook15:51
TheBootroothats cool15:51
TheBootroowill the preview meego release be upgraded on the air to the 1.0 release ?15:52
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Stskeepshard expectations there :)15:52
slaineTheBootroo: probably better to fresh install15:52
TheBootroook15:53
slainecurrent image is for testing infrastructure and drivers15:53
TheBootrooso RPM is really far behind APT ?15:53
slaineNo15:53
TheBootroocause maemo CAN be updated OTA ....15:53
StskeepsTheBootroo: they're not comparable15:53
TheBootroothats what i said15:53
Stskeepsrpm is comparable with dpkg15:53
Stskeepsand yum/zypper with apt15:53
TheBootrooand what tool is used in meego ?  yum, apt-rpm ?15:54
slaineyum15:54
TheBootroo:-'15:54
TheBootroo:-(15:54
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suihkulokkimmh.. I thought it was going to be zypper?15:54
Stskeepsslaine: not sure which one actually is supposed to be used15:54
TheBootrooi would prefer apt-rpm15:55
Stskeepszypper makes more sense15:55
slaineyou can upgrade over the air if you wish, but there's a high chance that a lot of pre/post processing that gets covered by the kickstart scripts will be missing15:55
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slainenever used zypper15:55
slaineMoblin used yum, so I'm basing it on that15:55
TheBootrooat least, does yum have a smaller cache disk consumption ? cause maemo extra + devel + testing  =  60 MB cache file !!15:56
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slainewon't be the same repo15:56
suihkulokkiiirc maemo extras repos cache is so big since it's poorly organized15:57
TheBootrooand will DuiHome be compilable on Meego 1.0 ? cause i tried to compile it on my Ubuntu but it failed ...;15:58
suihkulokkiie. the old versions stick in the package database indefinetly15:58
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slaineTheBootroo: You'll find out this and much more, when meego 1.0 is actually released15:59
slainewe're still in the dark to a lot of the basics16:00
TheBootrooi can't wait  :-|16:00
TheBootrooi'm a big Nokia/Qt/Maemo/Meego/Linux/N900 fan !!!16:01
* thiago OTA-upgraded his N900 last week16:01
thiagoI had to figure out that I needed to free up some disk space though16:01
slainemy enthusiasm has waned somewhat with the info/public-progress drought. Though I'm sure I'll get excited once it's out.16:01
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Stskeepsi'm sure theres material for a couple of blog posts about this process and lessons learned when things are better16:05
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* Stskeeps can see a lot of things done right but is a bit bugged when things could be a lot better without big effort :16:08
Stskeeps:)16:08
TheBootroowhy is there nothing in the Handheld UX part of the meego gitorious repos ?16:09
TheBootroowill the 1.0 release have no UX ?16:09
thiagoit will16:09
thiagobut not for handheld, I think16:09
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Stskeepsso for now, i hope the best on the tendancies i see16:09
TheBootroohave one ? ok but not the moblin netbook one i hope ?16:10
* TheBootroo doesnt see files in Netbook UX nor16:10
Stskeepsthiago: no ux for handset? ..16:10
Stskeepsare they trying to kill this project?16:11
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TheBootrooqt messaging and qcontact are working in meego ?16:19
pinchartldoes anyone know if the May Meego release for the N900 is supposed to include support for the camera ?16:20
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Stskeepspinchartl: what kind of support would you like?16:20
pinchartlStskeeps: the ability to use the camera from userspace applications16:20
Stskeepspinchartl: ie, v4lv2?16:20
TheBootrooit would be a fully integrated release, according to this : http://www.nokian900applications.com/dual-boot-with-meego-and-maemo-5-in-nokia-n900/16:20
pinchartlStskeeps: yes, with auto white balance, auto exposure, ...16:21
pinchartlTheBootroo: I've read that, but the camera isn't mentioned. it could be included in the "..." thoguh16:21
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pinchartls/thoguh/though/16:21
infobotpinchartl meant: TheBootroo: I've read that, but the camera isn't mentioned. it could be included in the "..." though16:21
pinchartlnice bot :-)16:21
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TheBootrooyes really nice bot  O.o16:23
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pinchartlwould be better if he could answer my question ;-)16:24
TheBootroo:D16:25
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TheBootroomine too16:25
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pinchartlis anyone here part of one of the adaptation teams working on the meego on n900 project ?16:26
Stskeepspinchartl: not sure, but the idea is full hw support over time i guess16:26
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pupnikty for the link TheBootroo16:27
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TheBootroour welcome ;-)16:29
TheBootrooi hardly foudn orginal version cause french google translation is really bad, and i really prefer english one even if i'm french ;-)16:29
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TheBootroowill meego be a good gaming platform, with Qt3D support and OpenGL acceleration ?16:35
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TheBootrooi mean, are we goign to get many beautiful full 3D games like 'Asphalt' or 'GTA' on iPhone ?16:38
TheBootroos/goign/going16:39
PolarFoxTheBootroo: You really haven't seen Maemo 3D stuff? ;)16:39
PolarFoxI don't think that Meego is going to be a downgrade from Maemo..16:39
TheBootrooyes i saw but excepted Bounce and TuxRacer, there are no 3D games16:39
TheBootrooand no 'Need for speed' or 'Asphalt' ....16:40
TermanaTheBootroo, EA Games and Gameloft have said they support MeeGo16:40
TheBootroosource ?16:40
slainelinux foundation16:40
PolarFoxTheBootroo: How do you define 3D game then, if Bounce Evolution isn't one.. :)16:40
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X-FadeTheBootroo: With PR1.2 on Maemo, OVI finally seem to have fixed their payment issue and more games will be available.16:40
TermanaTheBootroo, eh, hold on a tic if you really need a link16:40
X-FadeLooking forward to the 3d rollercoaster one.16:41
PolarFoxTheBootroo: http://linux-foundation.org/weblogs/press/2010/04/12/public-support-for-the-meego-project/16:41
TheBootroobounce is almost the only real 3D game for maemo5 ...16:41
TermanaPolarFox, thanks for finding the link, so I didn't have to :P16:41
TermanaTheBootroo, PolarFox's link ^^16:41
slaineI was just about to paste it, damn he's fast16:42
TheBootroothx 4 the link16:42
PolarFoxYeah, because there has been a shortage in payment system for maemo5.. They don't make those games for free you know ;)16:42
PolarFoxslaine: I have a black belt in Google search.16:42
PolarFoxslaine: and 3 monitors to work with..16:42
slaineWow, you can actually google for information like that ?16:42
slaineWho know16:43
slaine;)16:43
slaines/know/knew16:43
TheBootroolmgtfy.com  :D lol16:43
PolarFoxslaine: People usually expect links in irc, no one likes to googling. Except me16:43
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slaineirc is a direct search of peoples brains.16:44
slainemost of them are off line though :P16:44
jusliukkthere is still the optical link which introduces latency16:44
PolarFoxTheBootroo: Oh, I can run Quake3 engine on my N900. How is that for a 3D game for you? :)16:45
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TheBootrooyes16:45
TheBootroobut what i mean is that there is too few 3D games16:45
pupniktuxracer is 3d16:45
TheBootroono not at all, but too few16:46
TheBootroo;-)16:46
PolarFoxTheBootroo: But you asked if MeeGo is going to be a good platform for games.. :)16:46
TheBootroopupnik: tuwracer is good but too few maps,16:46
pupnikthat is kind of a meaningless statement16:47
pupnik"too few"16:47
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slaineMost meego hardware won't be an ideal 3d platform anyways16:47
TheBootroo5 maybe 6 maps is 'few' for me ;-)16:47
slainemy 945GME isn't exactly a screamer with 3D performance16:47
slaineit's good enough for compositing effects on a desktop though16:47
slaine(actually, I think it plays tuxracer just fine, but why would I want to play that on a netbook)16:48
TheBootrooslaine: i'm mainly speaking about Meego For N90016:48
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pupnikalso a 3" screen doesn't work with many game types, imo.  the fps games are particularly unsatisfying.16:48
slaineTheBootroo: well, meego will run on a myriad devices, so your questions is even more diluted then.16:48
TermanaAnd then theres a new problem with MeeGo that I've seen no one talk about16:48
slaineTermana: which is ?16:49
TheBootroo?16:49
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TermanaAFAIK, Intel is going to have their little App Store type thing for x86, and Nokia will have the Ovi Store, but will other ARM based manufactures get the Ovi Store to? Otherwise, watch out you may be in for App Store fragmentation16:49
slaineHe can't talk about it16:49
StskeepsTermana: their headache16:50
slaineTermana: the whole point of their design of the app store is that it's fragmented16:50
TermanaStskeeps, Their headache will become end user problems16:50
slainehowever, it's my understanding that Intel will provide support for setting up a vendor app store (hosted ???)16:51
TheBootroomine too16:51
slaineTermana: thats the price of freedom to a certain degree16:51
ZeikkoGet rid of the OS fragmention and introduce store fragmentation16:51
Termanaslaine, I don't think you understand what I mean by fragmentation. I mean the Ovi Store will only have a certain app in it, another manufactures app store will only have some certain app in it, no one will be able to access each others app stores that have certain apps in them16:52
slaineYes, that's what I understood16:52
TheBootroojust add repos no ?16:52
slaineI'm sure Nokia wouldn't want LG phones having access to the Ovi store16:52
TheBootroothey will all be supported and compliants no ?16:52
TermanaTheBootroo, not if the app store is not setup like a traditional repo - which it wouldn't be.16:53
TermanaAFAIK - the current Ovi Store has you just download a .deb file16:53
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TheBootrooand will meego have traditionnal repos or just fuckin stores ?16:53
slaineboth16:53
TigerTael;I16:53
TermanaTheBootroo, I'm sure there will be traditional repos, but then we have this added layer of app stores16:54
Stskeepsslaine: still think there might be a benefit of licensing out your app store16:54
bfreeand then there is also the question of where the drm will fit in :-/16:54
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TermanaWith Android, theres the Android Marketplace and everything else is pretty insignificant - but with MeeGo it may become that every app store is significant, and you don't get access to every app developed for the platform16:55
slaineStskeeps: yes, which is what I think Intel are intending on doing16:55
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slaineI can picture vendor specific app stores being quite significant.16:56
Stskeepswell, as long as they dont block other app stores on their devices16:56
slainei.e. when I buy my Dell Mini 10 with meego installed and it has access to the Dell App Store16:56
Termanaslaine, Lets be real here - Intel (quite frankly) does things for Intel. Which is fine, thats how a business is suppose to be run. Intel will only probably do a store for x8616:56
slaineNod, but there's a whole bunch of OEM's in that space that can and will sell MeeGo preloaded on devices16:57
slainea hell of a lot more than in the arm space16:57
Termanaslaine, So you think its good that Dell have its own app store and people just develop for that app store, and then other manufactures and end users are unable to use those apps?16:57
slaineI never said it was good or bad16:57
StskeepsTermana: typically they would develop towards platform, not app store16:58
slaineI said that's likely who things will end up, with Vendor app stores being significant16:58
slaineAnd the chances are that they'll just be a thin wrapper around the intel app store16:58
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TermanaStskeeps, right, of course you develop for the platform, but whats the chance that developers are going to want to submit their apps to EVERY store that might be made. Vendor X, Y, Z and 10 other manufacture stores accounted for16:59
jacquesdupontdhi guys16:59
Termanajacquesdupontd, hello16:59
StskeepsTermana: increase income, sounds nice16:59
PolarFoxI'll bet that if Intel let's things fragment that much.. there will be services that will let developer do just that... for a fee ;)17:00
Stskeepssame sw, publish many17:00
jacquesdupontdsorry to disturb you but i'm sadly searching a good shop to find a multi touch capacitive screen for the tablet i'm building17:00
jacquesdupontdand it seems there's no17:00
TermanaStskeeps, even if that is the case - doesn't it seem like a waste of time. Shouldn't a centralised app store (maybe ran by the Linux Foundation?) be made?17:01
jacquesdupontdi'm only website proposing me directly tablet already made but i'm making my own17:01
TheBootroocapacitive is the wrong way, sensitive is better : you can use a pen if you want, finger(s) if you want and far more precise ....17:01
jacquesdupontdsensitive then17:01
jacquesdupontdi was going to check what's the best but first i have to find a shop showing some hehe :)17:01
Termanajacquesdupontd, if your looking for a 7 inch touchscreen, maybe look at what people were doing with turning the EEE PCs screen into touchscreens?17:02
jacquesdupontdnope i already have that17:02
jacquesdupontdthat's only panel kit17:02
StskeepsTermana: i like many app stores over one dictatorial app store. let users decide17:02
Stskeeps / consumers17:02
jacquesdupontdthat transform your screen to touch screen then17:02
Stskeeps(ie, meegopornapps.com will be a major app store)17:02
jacquesdupontdi already got one, that's a cool product but really far from being as good as a professional device like the one i wanna build17:03
jacquesdupontdand it's not multitouchable17:03
TermanaStskeeps, But how are consumers going to be able to choose anything if they get locked into one store that MAY NOT (reread: MAY NOT) have all the apps that all the other stores have17:03
jacquesdupontdi guess apple is buying already multitouchable screen, they are not buying little screen and then put a surface to make it toucable am i right ?17:03
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TermanaIf we were to centralise the process as well as do app approval, there could even be a community team to do that17:04
slainelike I said, I'd imagine that the vendor app store is a wrapper around a global intel one17:05
jacquesdupontdbut i already got all the idea and things for my tablet to be built and i think it's gonna be interesting first for me and i think it could also be for other but i just need the screen now and i wanna have the best as possible17:05
slainetarget the intel if you're an app developer17:05
StskeepsTermana: i dont know how business models will  like17:05
TheBootroojacquesdupontd: try to buy an N900 replacement screen ...    (and are you french ?)17:06
slaineOEM's will provide apps for their own partners, dvd players for example17:06
Stskeepslook17:06
jacquesdupontdive already built my own debian modified distrib that is either using a finger touchable interface composite made and another for when you come back home that changes automaticly and receive keyboard and mouse bluetooth signal, i hope you get me17:06
jacquesdupontdyes i am17:06
TermanaStskeeps, right I don't expect you to, I'm not shooting anyone here, I'm just discussing17:06
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pupnikhttp://www.google.com/products?q=7"+touchscreen+lcd  jacquesdupontd17:07
TheBootroojacquesdupontd: why don't you speak in private mode with me in FR ?17:07
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jacquesdupontdhm if i wanna sell a product i'm not always going to buy another screen product (i thought about it) and then build the stuff, i'm sure i can directly get a screen from the constructor + my tablet is a tablet that gonna be fast evoluating open sources and bigger than an N900 like 10 to 13 inch i think17:07
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TheBootrooan ipad ?  :-(17:08
jacquesdupontdthe thing is that everybody's gonna make the same stupid thing like for the netbook revolution, it will be all same products for all to be the cheapeast but then you need , a tablet, a personnal computer, a netbook, a professional computer, i would like to reduce all that device in building a really fast nvidia ion plateform tablet that would be more expensive than the ipad but far better17:09
TheBootroook17:09
pupniklenovo x200t is a good tablet17:09
pupnikanyone here working on alsa drivers for .33 meego kernel (n900?)17:10
TheBootrooso a 7" fullHD touch screen with ion+3ghz dual core ARM would be fine17:10
TheBootrooand obvioulsy 128go of ssd ;-)17:10
TheBootrooand 2gb ram17:11
PolarFoxAnd still it wouldn't do all the stuff it needs to do.. Like have a battery life of more than 10 minutes.. :)17:11
TheBootrootrue17:11
TheBootroo:D17:11
TheBootroojacquesdupontd: will you be shipping this tablet ?17:12
jacquesdupontdwhy not17:12
jacquesdupontdsorry didn't see your private17:12
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jedixisn't there an x201t now?17:55
pupnikdelivery in like 3 weeks in germany, 1700+ euro.  core i7... mmmmm17:59
pupniki really hope we get decent meego devices that can fit in a coat pocket18:01
pupnikor a ladies' purse18:01
TheBootroo:D18:01
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TheBootroobye all18:04
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* pupnik wants something like the "Fujitsu-Siemens Lifebook P1610 Ultra-Portable Tablet PC" at 1/3 the price18:09
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pupnikOr the Lifebook U2010....18:17
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slainecan't wait to update moblin 2.1 on my netbook18:43
slainesigh18:43
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jedixhow can I sign up for a login to build.meego.com?21:16
Stskeepsonly open to team members / those who need it21:17
Stskeepsthere's a community obs in the works as well21:17
jedixwhat's the eta on that?21:17
Stskeepsmeego-dev mailing list had details21:17
jedixI've been trying to setup my own obs for the time being but it's kinda difficult to get setup21:17
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Stskeepsbut basically i think the build.meego.com 'resource' is for the people who are included in the various project teams, which makes sense21:18
Stskeepsso when you gain membership status/committer status, you gain access21:19
Stskeepsand then a community obs for playground / etc21:19
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Stskeepsor staging area for talents, depending on perspective :)21:19
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jedixI'm trying to get my obs setup to build for an omap421:20
Stskeepsarmv5/armv7 should work fine though21:21
Stskeepsi hope there'll be instructions how to set up your own meego obs eventually21:21
jedixyeah21:22
jedixme too21:22
jedixI don't really understand obs21:22
jedixspecifically how to create/use your own repo21:22
Stskeepsah, that part is easy :)21:22
jedixreally?21:22
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Stskeepsgo make an account on build.opensuse.org and play around21:22
jedixwell, I was trying to do it locally21:22
jedixI have a build vm running21:22
Stskeepsyeah, but getting a feel for it first is a good thing21:23
jedixI think I have a grasp of what it's supposed to do21:23
jedixbut all the instructions are for creating one package that pulls stuff from a pre-defined repo21:23
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jedixI want to mirror the srpms from meego and get them all to be built into a repo and then create a distro21:24
timelessstskeeps: did i mention that you build didn't work for me?21:24
timelesssomethinh about libc and the kernel being too old21:24
timelesss/nh/ng/21:25
infobottimeless meant: something about libc and the kernel being too old21:25
jedixI have my project osc checked out, and added all the source rpm's..but apparently that's wrong21:25
* timeless loves ... linux21:25
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timelessespecially gnu linux21:25
jedixas apposed to?21:25
pupnikhttp://www.crunchgear.com/2009/01/12/sony-vaio-p-doesnt-quite-fit-gets-ridiculed-by-japanese-geeks/21:26
timelessjedix: any platform that actually works21:26
RST38hexpected...21:26
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Stskeepstimeless: yes, even a ubuntu rootfs might do that :P21:27
timelessespecially with a toolchain where you can build apps and have them run  .. elsewhere21:27
Stskeepsjedix: there's a importsrcpkg thing in osc21:27
RST38hBTW...21:27
Stskeepsjedix: so you want to build it all optimized for omap4?21:27
RST38hStskeeps: Willing to help with an unusual problem?21:27
StskeepsRST38h: is it something your doctor would normally advise about?21:28
jedixStskeeps: to start, probably just for armv7a21:28
RST38hStskeeps: Almost inclined to agree...21:28
jedixor armv721:28
timelessstskeeps: my guess is i'd need someone to set up an older toolchain plus older kernel headers21:28
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RST38hStskeeps: Anyway, as you remember, the SDK dependency on the PR1.2 libs has been fixed by addig Squeeze tools to the Scratchbox21:29
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RST38hStskeeps: and the symbols database21:29
Stskeepsjedix: 1.0 will be built for armv7 as well21:29
Stskeepsjedix: so i wouldn't do the effort :P21:29
jedixStskeeps: yeah, I just want to get a proof of concept that the build works before trying optomizations21:29
RST38hStskeeps: And now the problem: there is no Squeeze tools distribution for the SB221:29
RST38hStskeeps: Is there any way I can persuade SB1 Squeeze to install on SB2?21:30
StskeepsRST38h: no idea, gave up on sb2 when it died for me :/21:30
RST38heh21:30
Stskeepsyou can possible use a real squeeze rootfs as tools21:30
RST38hI would rather use host tools21:31
RST38hBut have no idea how to do that21:31
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Stskeepsjedix: right - i would wait a bit for 1.0 (or whatever it's called) and do your experiment there21:31
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Stskeepsit would probably make your life a lot easier if there's no deadline for it21:32
Stskeeps:P21:32
jedixyeah21:32
jedixsadly I don't think I can just wait21:33
Stskeepssee if you can set up a simple obs with a remote link to a build.opensuse.org project, and go from there i guess21:33
Stskeepsor see if you can catch some of the builder guys around :)21:36
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jedixthanks for the help Stskeeps21:37
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Stskeepsor start a conversation on meego-dev as your scenario probably won't be a unique one21:37
Stskeepsgood luck :)21:38
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pupnikcu Stskeeps21:38
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TSCHAKeeehttp://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=171014&id=716957114&l=4e3c848e48 <-- frying my evil southern fried chicken :)21:42
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pupnikIf anyone here hasn't created an account at http://meego.com yet, please try now.  I am not receiving my password.23:13
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DawnFosterpupnik: if you don't get it in a few minutes, ping us and we'll look into it23:20
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