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CosmoHillback00:06
CosmoHilljust been chasing my hamster around00:06
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* lbt sees the meego-community list is agreeing some groundbreaking stuff....00:12
leinirlbt: can't paint bike sheds without a few colours to choose between ;)00:13
lbt:)00:14
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slainetyping an email to follow up on openness and transparency01:40
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Cosmo[PB]think of the worst word you can01:40
Cosmo[PB]but the words "Netgear is" infront of it01:40
lcuk"Netgear Norton Antivirus"01:41
Cosmo[PB]that's two words but I'll give you that01:41
slaineNetgear Bollocectomy01:41
lcukjust "Norton" works,  but i was trying to clarify01:41
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slaineI liked norton back in the DOS days01:42
Cosmo[PB]was it bigger than the OS?01:42
lcukyes01:42
lcuk(1st q)01:42
lcukit then got worse than the viruses it was protecting against01:42
slaineWell, I was thinking more of the utilities01:43
Cosmo[PB]norton disk doctor?01:43
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slaineyeah, and speed disk01:43
Cosmo[PB]I remember them :)01:43
Cosmo[PB]I uninstalled norton at a lan party01:43
slainemade my dev box ( a Pentium 50Mhz ) run like a charm01:44
slaine90, sorry01:44
Cosmo[PB]like I'd tell the difference01:44
slaineactually, no, that box was a 486DX 50Mhz01:44
slainemy PC at home was the Pentium 9001:45
Cosmo[PB]I've used Windows 3.1 on a 66Mhz laptop01:45
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Cosmo[PB]wb DawnFoster01:45
slainethat was the uber machine of choice when 3.1 came out01:45
Cosmo[PB]slaine: this was in 2006...01:45
slainethis was 1995 :)01:45
Cosmo[PB]if you opened the laptop wrong the keyboard went up with the screen01:46
DawnFosterhey CosmoHill01:46
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slaineCosmo[PB]: lol, sounds like my old Vaio01:47
Cosmo[PB]i don't know why we still had laptops with windows 3.1 on01:48
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Cosmo[PB]the floor isn't the best place for my DSLR01:52
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aadsterns identify santa572june01:52
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Cosmo[PB]cyas02:17
aadsterlol gys im on my sisters ipod kind of irionc how its not banned on macosx olo02:17
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Glahey all, I've built a product that allows for real-time, brandable, communities to be created on the web and I was curious if you guys would like to take a look at what we have to offer.  We've been working with a lot of communities on IRC and Freenode to get their feedback.02:51
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* Openfree is away: I'm busy03:30
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Termanahey hey05:35
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Stskeepshttp://farm5.static.flickr.com/4006/4517519202_e1038a2e51.jpg11:18
Stskeeps^ FREE HUGS!11:18
Stskeeps(yes, this is scaringily enough, meego related)11:18
fralslol11:18
RST38hStskeeps: Mmmm....suggestive.11:18
lcukStskeeps, lol11:20
lbtah, it doesn't say "embarass us"11:20
lbtI'll take the one on the left11:21
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lcukso the new meego UX form factor is a 30" eink card and willingness to hug!11:23
Stskeepsi'd take a good hug over a good UX.11:23
leinirYay free hugs! :)11:24
leinirBest campaign ever :)11:24
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Gibbameego netbook preview seems to hang on kernel bring up in vmware, anybody had any luck with virtualising it?  Was attempting to have a peek (read being too lazy to boot it off a USB key).11:43
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lcukStskeeps, can you find out if the hug group are going on a world tour lol :D11:44
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JaffaMorning, all12:04
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Stskeepsmorning jaffa12:06
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Stskeepswelcome home?12:06
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slainefucking thread hijackers12:06
JaffaStskeeps: meh. 8GB USB stick might mean playing with Mer 0.17 soon12:07
Stskeepsslaine: ah, yeah, that one bothered me a bit12:07
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ShadowJKthread hijackers, top posters, people who don't snip, threading breakers..12:15
leinirzealots who insist on breaking conventions set down in top-posted threads and force bottom-posting at any cost...12:16
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leinirThat sort of thing12:16
slainepeople who kill kittens12:17
leinirThat too12:17
TermanaI think 99% of tmo has been summed up in three sentences12:17
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TermanaSome of the junk people have been posting there. Some idiot was posting either acting drunk or so drunk he couldn't help himself but be a douche12:19
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lcukTermana, but random drunks cause amusement!12:19
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Termanamaybe sometimes. But that doesn't explain the n900 porn threads12:20
lcuktheres more?12:21
TermanaTheres a couple laying about I believe :\12:21
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lcukas a community grows it emcompasses a wider scope of society and to some people porn is one of those things12:22
lcukjust like the car threads and dismantling hardware threads12:22
suihkulokkinot enough moderation..12:22
TermanaRight, no one said they can't discuss these things. But I think theres a line between discussing and talking junk12:22
lcukindeed12:22
lcuklight hearted banter around most subjects is amusing12:23
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lcukthe balanace is always shifting though12:23
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* lcuk must learn to type one day soon12:24
lcukbalance12:24
Termanaheh didn't even see it till you mentioned it - you shouldn't of said anything :P12:25
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Termanahave said*12:25
lcuk:D12:26
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slainerage building12:59
Termanaslaine: Whats wrong pussy cat?13:00
TermanaWOAH WOAH WOAH13:00
slainemore thread hijacking AFTER my original plee to stop13:00
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slainetownxelliot1glad you enjoyed that you tube vid13:00
slainetownxelliot1: glad you enjoyed that you tube vid13:01
slaineoops13:01
townxelliot1slaine: yes, it was v. funny13:01
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Termanaslaine: You mean on the mailing list (the full openness thread)?13:02
lcukslaine, that always happens13:02
slaineI know13:02
Corsacslaine: sorry for hijacking, but doesn't the concept of subthread helps?13:02
lcukthe streisand effect :D13:02
slaineit's such an important topic though13:02
Corsacslaine: and please don't CC:, I'm subscribed13:02
GibbaJaffa: looks like you've had quite a journey, back safe and sound in the office/at home now?13:03
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slaineI'd appreciate it you some of you would chime in to keep the thread on topic13:03
StskeepsCorsac: stupid reply-to rules13:03
slaineyou all bitch and moan about it here enough ;)13:03
JaffaGibba!13:03
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JaffaGibba: Long time no speak!13:04
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GibbaJaffa: hello mate!  Indeedy.13:04
JaffaGibba: Yeah, just popping out. Wifey and kidlets want to go looking at rabbits. Not for pies, unfortunately.13:04
JaffaBBL13:04
CorsacStskeeps: hmhm, there's no reply to in the mail, afaics. Here thunderbird “reply” replies to the list (as well as the reply-to-list feature)13:04
GibbaAlrighty, catch you later.  I'm hanging out in here at the mo after my joggler order13:04
CorsacStskeeps: but I guess what slaine used was a “reply all”13:04
slaineYes I did13:05
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slaineI'm not going to apologies for that if etiquette was already out the window13:05
CorsacI wasn't asking for an apology, I was just saying that next time you don't need to CC: me :)13:06
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Corsac(now that you know that I'd prefer not have them, that's all)13:06
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hefferwelcome back you hundreds of people13:06
slainesure, I'll make an effort not to do reply all13:07
slaineto used to it from internal emails13:07
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TermanaGmail won't let you automatically reply just to the mailing list :P Reply just replies to the person, reply all replies to the person and the mailing list. I guess you can just remove the To: and just have it CC:'ed to the mailing list?13:07
Termana(general question)13:07
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Termanano one know? :P13:18
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deepaam trying to create rootfs image using mic214:02
deepawith this options14:02
deepasudo mic-image-creator --config=arm-n900.ks --format=fs --cache=mycache14:03
deepait is giving ImportError: No module named pykickstart.parser14:03
deepaany idea what is the problem?14:03
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Stskeepsinstall a fedora VM14:04
Stskeepsor install a package containing pykickstart14:04
deepaam working in ubuntu14:07
Stskeepsyes, but mic2 needs some dependancies that are not yet in that distribution.14:07
Stskeepsas far as i know14:07
Stskeepsget a fedora vm, it helps things a lot :P14:07
deepapkg name is pykickstart is it14:07
deepa?14:07
Stskeepsit seems like this package doesn't exist in ubuntu14:09
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lbtStskeeps: gah, I'm close to getting "osc build <image>" running ... but I'm off on another task now.14:10
Stskeepslbt: looking forward to it14:10
Stskeeps:P14:10
lbtis anyone working on imaging?14:10
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lbtie we could collaborate?14:11
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Stskeepslbt: there's one downside of osc build <image>, need to have a obs to do it against14:12
lbtah, true...14:12
Stskeepswhile mic2 would only need a rpm repo14:12
* lbt mutters darkly14:12
lbtgoes back to django14:12
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timeless_mbpfwiw, i'm starting to setup a git clone mxr for some maemo6 stuff14:15
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timeless_mbpit's temporarily @ mxr.moego.org/maemo6/14:15
timeless_mbpthe indexing won't start until i convert it, i think14:15
timeless_mbpif someone reminds me what i did to setup my moblin repo index, i can set up a new one for the meego 'day 1' repo14:16
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lbtwhat's wrong with gitorious?14:21
lbtwhich is where all the rest of meego lives14:22
Stskeepsit's a cross-ref14:22
Stskeepsnot a repo :P14:22
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lcukany python people here able to share tips on speeding up python, general or specific observations and brainstorming desired :) : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=5073714:49
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deepastskeeps: i am not able to find the package fastinit in repo...getting the error as "Error: failed to create image : Failed to find package 'fastinit' : No package(s) available to install"15:26
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deepawhat could be the reason?15:26
Stskeepsdeepa: what is your command line?15:26
deepasudo mic-image-creator --config=arm-n900.ks --format=fs --cache=mycache15:27
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deepaand that package is specified in arm-n900.ks15:27
Stskeepsok, you're missing -a armv5tel15:28
Stskeepsto point to the ARM version15:28
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slaineI assume -a tells mic which architecture to source for ?15:29
Stskeepsyes15:29
Stskeepsthere's this stupid /ia32/ /arm/ seperation15:29
Stskeepsso it was trying to source ia32 packages from the /arm repo15:30
deepastskeeps: sudo mic-image-creator --config=arm-n900.ks --format=fs --cache=mycache -a armv5tel15:30
Stskeepsright15:30
deepais this sufficient15:30
Stskeepsyes15:30
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EfraimAlgum brasileiro?15:33
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Efraimhi15:36
Efraimi need help15:36
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Stskeepsso, since someone hacked android on to the iphone, who's making the first meego port?15:59
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TomaszDStskeeps, http://instantcrickets.com/16:06
lcukStskeeps, hasnt the primary reason for not trying to do iphone been screen resolution?16:07
lcuk"oh its too low, maemo/mer wont go to that happily"16:07
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TermanaI think people have missed out on the fact that there ALREADY was Linux on iPhone a year before this. Its only because its now got the Android tag that its exciting16:08
lcukwith scalable ui now being designed into all apps in the os it becomes something feasible16:08
lcuklinux != windowing platform16:08
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lcuksure, seeing a console boot somewhere makes people w00p occasionally (meego ;))16:09
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lcukbut seeing the real fluid os running ontop would say linux was there16:09
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Jartzastop flooding :)16:56
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postmanPechkinhi17:06
Stskeepswello17:06
postmanPechkinhow do you do?17:07
Stskeepsgood, glad work day is over17:08
postmanPechkinme too)17:08
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Jartzaahh, day off :)17:08
Jartzawoke up 2 hours ago :)17:08
postmanPechkinJartza: where are you from?17:09
postmanPechkinusa?17:09
Jartzafinland17:09
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postmanPechkinso, you woke up in the middle of the day))17:10
kebaxend of the working ady17:10
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kebaxsa/ady/day)17:11
JartzapostmanPechkin: yeah, 3pm17:11
postmanPechkini'm from Moscow)17:11
postmanPechkinJartza: you free man)17:13
Jartzayeah, freelancer :)17:13
rmrfchikyou bring us a note about boy, postman?17:14
Jartza:)17:14
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slaineExcellent, some insight into what's going on17:22
* w00t_ clicks17:25
w00t_that's good17:26
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* postmanPechkin slaps rmrfchik around a bit with a large trout17:35
postmanPechkinrmrfchick: äà17:36
postmanPechkinà ÷òî?17:36
postmanPechkiníó ìíå ïðîñòî íå÷åãî äåëàòü((17:36
Jartzaok17:36
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postmanPechkinsorry, i've a question.18:01
Termanaask away postman pat18:01
Termanaerr... postmanPechkin18:01
Termana:P18:01
TermanaKA-CHING18:01
postmanPechkini installed Ubuntu and then Qt on it,18:02
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postmanPechkinbut Qt don't built examples, or other "hello word" stuff..18:03
till-did you install the -dev packages?18:04
postmanPechkinthe erroe: -I../../../QT/qt/include -I. -o main.o main.cpp18:04
postmanPechkinmake: g++:18:04
postmanPechkinCommand not found18:04
postmanPechkinmake: Leaving directory18:04
postmanPechkintill-: no(18:04
TermanapostmanPechkin: You don't have g++ in your path18:04
postmanPechkinwhere should i get it ?18:04
Termanaor you don't have it installed at all18:04
till-apt-get install build-essential18:04
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till-and qt4-dev-tools18:05
till-or so18:05
postmanPechkini just installed Qt creator.18:05
till-should be a dependency18:06
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TermanapostmanPechkin: I would try the command till- gave you - sudo apt-get install build-essential18:09
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slaineHmmm, more revelations about meego appearing in the press18:09
slainehttp://arstechnica.com/open-source/news/2010/04/meego-mobile-linux-will-also-do-laptops-and-desktops.ars?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=rss&comments=1#comments-bar18:09
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Stskeepsdesktops.. really? are we going to throw all optimizations towards well, non-3ghz systems away? :P18:11
* Stskeeps ponders idly18:12
postmanPechkinok18:12
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Stskeepsi could have understood "meego will run your kitchen sink" literally, but not metaphorically18:13
Stskeeps:P18:13
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lcukStskeeps, my kitchen sink has a perfectly viable OS at the moment, but my cig lighter is lacking :D18:15
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postmanPechkinbut where can i get a packages?18:46
Stskeepsrepo.meego.com?18:47
postmanPechkinno, for Qt?18:47
lbtemail seems to get stuck for 30mins in the meego.com mailer18:47
lbtpostmanPechkin: eg http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/devel/trunk/repo/ia32/os/i586/qt-4.6.1-12.1.i586.rpm18:48
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slaineok, commute time18:54
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CosmoHillanyone here on mibbit?\19:16
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AnonymousfrHi everyone19:17
CosmoHillhi19:18
AnonymousfrI'd like to know if I can help by translating at least the meego website into french....19:19
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CosmoHillthat would be helpful19:21
CosmoHillDawnFoster: poke19:21
Anonymousfrhow could I do that?19:21
DawnFosterhey cosmohill19:21
CosmoHillDawnFoster: i think you're the person that Anonymousfr would need to talk to about translating the meego website into french19:22
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DawnFosteranonymousfr: all of the localisation conversations are happening in this mailing list http://lists.meego.com/listinfo/meego-il10n19:22
DawnFosterright now, we're more focused on translating the product19:22
DawnFosterI don't think we've decided whether to translate the web pages, but the right place to ask is the mailing list19:23
DawnFosterthanks, CosmoHill :)19:23
* CosmoHill just likes to help :)19:23
Anonymousfrok I could do that too....19:23
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CosmoHillI don't know if anyone is interested but RHEL 6 Beta is out19:27
CosmoHilland free!19:27
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* CosmoHill keeps getting DawnFantasy confused with DawnFoster 20:02
DawnFosterah20:03
DawnFosteroops, meant ha20:03
CosmoHilland you're both on freenode so you're in  the same group of tabs20:03
CosmoHillalso doesn't help that you both left at 17:5820:04
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CosmoHill25MB to download :o20:57
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CosmoHill100%[====================================>] 4,150,891,556  225K/s   in 5h 10m  a20:59
CosmoHillouch20:59
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Stskeepsah, glorious netjoins..21:09
Stskeeps:P21:09
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CosmoHillrawr!!!21:13
CosmoHillthe check sums don't match and it took me 5 hours to download21:13
CosmoHilland my server doesn't have xz, bollocks21:13
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timeless_mbpxz?21:14
CosmoHillit replaced lmza21:15
timeless_mbphrm, have they really decided not to have another TSG meeting for a whole year?21:15
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GAN900timeless_mbp, hey, open isn't any fun if it actually is. :P21:17
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DawnFosterthanks stskeeps :)21:18
StskeepsDawnFoster: regarding my proposal, I'm wondering if to take it on another angle - it does seem like that we're on the same page as the TSG as to how the project openness should be like. would there be a benefit developing into a wiki-style handbook that teams can pour their experiences into, use as a starting point for their public work .. and then when we engage people and have them out in the open, how we can tell them how to ...21:19
Stskeeps... stay visible21:19
timeless_mbphi DawnFoster21:19
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DawnFosterstskeeps I'm not sure. I think it's more a matter of figuring out when stuff can move into the open and less of people not knowing how.21:20
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StskeepsDawnFoster: :nod: i guess project structure comes first before we can say anything about how people work21:21
DawnFostermaybe it's different at Nokia, but most of the people at Intel are active contributors to mulitple open source projects and certainly know how to do this.21:21
DawnFosterexactly21:21
CosmoHilltimeless_mbp: what are you back porting?21:21
Stskeepswell, maemo devices are too, for that matter, except it isn't obvious until you start reading doorsigns there :)21:21
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lcukevery one21:23
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StskeepsDawnFoster: otoh, it is also a matter of providing same tools as exists on the inside - like, it's 'easy' to use the internal pastebins, or internal git hosts and so on21:23
RST38hlcuk: National Republican Convention? =E21:23
Stskeepsit's easy to slip and go back to your typical working pattern, so21:24
DawnFosterbut that's my point. On the Intel side, this isn't really typical. Most of these guys are kernel contributors or other open source projects, so they are used to this.21:24
Stskeeps:nod:21:25
DawnFosterI really think this is a transition issue, not an education issue (speaking on Intel's side)21:25
* VDVsx waves at RST38h :D21:25
timeless_mbpCosmoHill: i'm dancing between maemo5 pr1.1* and maemo5 pr1.221:25
DawnFosterwe'll get the rest of those tools out21:25
Stskeepsi hope it's a transition issue too - what worried me was that people had same impressions of moblin work for instance21:25
RST38hHeya, VDVsx21:25
timeless_mbpi live in 1.2 land, but my changes apply to 1.1*, and i'd like to be able to give them to people in 1.1 land21:25
CosmoHill57.6Mb/s, not good :(21:25
DawnFosterI'm encouraging people to move conversations to the open if at all possible21:26
Stskeeps:nod:21:26
* Stskeeps does believe that TSG and you and quim are doing your best to encourage things21:26
leinirmmmm, pr1.2... :)21:26
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VDVsxpr1.2 isn't that a myth ?21:27
* VDVsx hides21:27
leinir;)21:27
StskeepsVDVsx: everyone quit after the rpm vs deb choice?21:27
Stskeeps:P21:27
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CosmoHilloh crap21:27
CosmoHillI ran out of space :(21:27
VDVsxStskeeps, fremantle still uses deb, so no reason for that, I guess :D21:28
leinirHehe, i've only got 43.8MB left on my / ;)21:28
lcukpr1.2 was delayed whilst we help VDVsx move house21:28
VDVsxlcuk, agree with that21:29
VDVsxstill have need so help21:29
lcukthose ikea flatpacks are difficult21:29
VDVsx*still need so..21:29
lcukVDVsx, house warming party :)21:29
lcukbring your own screwdriver21:29
VDVsxheheeh21:29
CosmoHilllcuk: they're cheap, not difficult21:30
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lcukCosmoHill, its flying that screwdriver 2000 miles that more difficult ;)21:31
CosmoHillhah yes21:32
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postmanPechkinhi, i used command SUDO, but qt still isn't working(21:34
CosmoHill:o21:35
thiago_homeQt has nothing to do with sudo21:35
CosmoHillsudo is bad and should be avoided21:35
CosmoHillwell it's not bad but most people i know use it instead of actually fixing the permissions21:35
thiago_homeexcept sudo gainroot :-)21:35
postmanPechkini am newbie in linux.21:36
CosmoHillokay21:36
postmanPechkinhow to set qt creator work?21:36
CosmoHillif you have to use the sudo command, think about it21:36
thiago_homepostmanPechkin: how about you tell us what you were trying to accomplish?21:36
CosmoHillto install software you'd need sudo, probably21:36
CosmoHillto run it you don't21:36
lcukpostmanPechkin, can you click run button (play icon) in ct creator doofer editor thing?21:36
lcukmost people dont need the console do they?21:36
* lcuk sodu chops CosmoHill 21:36
CosmoHillthe way I've used linux for the last few years I've used CLI21:37
* CosmoHill sudo kicks lcuk 21:37
CosmoHillor were you saying "sod you cosmo"?21:37
lcukCosmoHill, i come from windows, the play button is ingrained and should work everywhere21:38
CosmoHilldammit21:38
lcukwashing machines and irons and other electrical equipment i barely understand should have them too :D21:38
CosmoHillmy server is topping out at 57.6Mb/s over SFTP21:38
postmanPechkini installend Qt, and it works, but stuff like "hello world" don't compilled,21:38
postmanPechkin-I../../../QT/qt/include -I. -o main.o main.cpp21:39
postmanPechkinmake: g++: Command not found21:39
postmanPechkinmake: Leaving directory21:39
lcukpostmanPechkin, what does it say when you try21:39
CosmoHillhow did you install Qt?21:39
CosmoHilloh21:39
lcukwheres that from and how did you install qt21:39
CosmoHillyou don't have gcc installed21:39
CosmoHillpostmanPechkin: gcc --version21:39
thiago_homeyou need a compiler before you can compile21:39
lcukthiago_home, :D tracy is getting me lego men - she saw my twit yesterday about it and ebayed for me21:40
thiago_homethe red one?21:40
lcukyeah and yellow and blue and black and white i think :D21:40
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CosmoHillyou're getting a rainbow of lego men21:40
lcuka whole rainbow set :D im gonna have em dancing on my monitor21:41
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lcukheh CosmoHill21:41
* lcuk is reminded of the intel space men adverts :D21:42
CosmoHillpart of me wants a new server21:42
CosmoHillbut i know it will be faster than my desktop21:42
arjandesktop???21:42
* arjan hasn't had a desktop computer in.. like 8 years21:42
arjanportable + server ftw21:42
postmanPechkini downloaded it from site and (i don't know how.. started it to install with installation master)21:42
CosmoHillarjan: I don't use it to much now, mostly videos21:43
* thiago_home has a workstation in the office so he can connect two 22" monitors21:44
thiago_home3360x1050 ftw :-)21:44
TSCHAKee ;)21:44
GAN900thiago_home, 20" is better. ;)21:44
TSCHAKeemy next workstation will have a  graphics card with four ports21:44
* TSCHAKee wants 4 monitor action21:44
TSCHAKee:D21:44
GAN900Ridiculously overpowered desktop + N900 is the way to go.21:45
* GAN900 is currently at 4.21:45
* VDVsx has 24" :D21:45
CosmoHillmy friend has one monitor via HDMI on his laptop and another via a USB adapter21:45
* CosmoHill has a 20" Dell21:45
CosmoHillthere is something called 16:9!!!!21:46
postmanPechkinhow can i recognaze if i have a compiler? i thought in Ubuntu 9.10 compiler  is integrated...21:46
* CosmoHill is mildly annoyed having to watch TV and DVDs at 16:1021:46
TSCHAKeepostmanPechkin: apt-get install build-essential21:46
* VDVsx tried a 30" dell today, insane :D21:46
GAN900Semi-recent: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/3981783507/21:46
CosmoHillwith sudo infront21:46
CosmoHillI tried a 27" iMac21:46
GAN900VDVsx, 2x 30" is really unworkable.21:46
CosmoHillnever before have i had to move my head that much to use a computer21:46
postmanPechkinTSCHAKEee: i did it.21:46
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CosmoHillpostmanPechkin: now type "gcc --version"21:47
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GAN900I'd do a 30" with two portrait 20"s on either side, though.21:47
VDVsxGAN900, if you sit 5 m from the screens yes :D21:47
CosmoHillwe have a 37" in the living room21:47
GAN900VDVsx, hehe.21:47
postmanPechkini am on win now, i'll restart and check)21:48
arjanpostmanPechkin: onubuntu you might need to install "development base" or something like that to get enough tools to have a useful compiler21:48
CosmoHillbuild-essental is all you need21:48
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CosmoHillson of a21:50
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postmanPechkinbuild-essentian -what is it? (i should put there path to package or i just need to type build-essential)21:50
postmanPechkin?)21:50
CosmoHillpostmanPechkin: sudo apt-get install build-essential21:51
CosmoHillthis installs a group of tools need to build packages21:51
postmanPechkinof21:51
postmanPechkin*ok)21:51
till-or you may use synaptic or so21:51
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postmanPechkingcc (Ubuntu 4.4.1-4ubuntu8) 4.4.122:04
postmanPechkinafter SUDO etc22:04
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postmanPechkinuser@ubuntu:~$ sudo apt-get install build-essential22:05
postmanPechkin[sudo] password for user:22:05
postmanPechkinReading package lists... Done22:05
postmanPechkinBuilding dependency tree22:05
postmanPechkinReading state information... Done22:05
postmanPechkinE: Couldn't find package build-essential22:05
postmanPechkinuser@ubuntu:~$22:05
postmanPechkinand qt still doesn't work22:05
postmanPechkinCosmoHill?22:08
CosmoHillone mo22:08
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arjanit's essentialS22:11
arjaneg you missed the (lower case) s at the end22:12
postmanPechkinif it acn help i instaled ubuntu througth Wubi22:12
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GAN900arjan, I've seen both.22:13
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Stskeepsexcellent, i have meego codedrop running on my n81022:19
Stskeepswith the same excellent xterm ;)22:19
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* GAN900 needs MeeGo for N1.22:20
lcukn900n97 would do22:21
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CosmoHillmy lap is getting rather hot :/22:27
CosmoHillyay22:27
CosmoHillI got my file fixed with rsync :D22:28
CosmoHillinstead of having to download everything again22:28
Stskeepshttp://www.daimi.au.dk/~cvm/meegoonn810.jpg22:29
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fralsnice Stskeeps :)22:30
Jartzacool22:30
JartzaI only have N800 :)22:30
JartzaI had N900 for 3 weeks before I broke it.22:30
brikhow did you manage that?22:31
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JartzaI dropped it into the sewer :)22:32
brikO.O22:32
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Jartzadownsides of the profession22:32
brikpoor n90022:33
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postmanPechkini still don't work22:43
postmanPechkinwith 's' in the end or without22:44
postmanPechkin*it .... doesn't22:44
NishanthMenonarjan, ping22:45
Glahey guys, what is meego?22:45
thiago_homewww.meego.com22:46
ZeikkoMe go Meego!22:47
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postmanPechkinWHY IT ALWAYS HAPPENED WITH ME?22:50
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postmanPechkin*happen22:51
postmanPechkinso, no one know what to do?22:51
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CosmoHillpostmanPechkin: i might be able to help you but I'm busy with a friend at the moment22:53
postmanPechkinsorry,,(22:54
CosmoHillI'm also trying to watch the political debate22:54
lcukpostmanPechkin, on ubuntu things go smoother if you use the ubuntu software centre to install stuff, where did you get your qt installation from and have you confirmed you downloaded the complete package and not just the ide for instance22:55
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postmanPechkinok) when i get unlimited truffic i will download all internet)22:57
postmanPechkinthnks to everyone)22:58
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lcukpostmanPechkin, if you right click on the internet, you should have an option to "make available offline"23:00
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adorseyls23:00
adorseyblah, wrong window...23:00
CosmoHilladorsey: command not found.23:01
postmanPechkinhuh23:01
postmanPechkin)23:01
adorseylls23:02
adorseyoh ffs23:02
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adorseyi hate how virtualbox allows seamless mouse pointer integration23:03
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adorseyand then you start typing23:03
adorseyand it's irc.23:03
postmanPechkinsorry, one more question,23:05
postmanPechkinhow i can start moblin on VB23:05
thiago_homeVB?23:05
postmanPechkinsomeone here have told me that it's very difficult23:06
postmanPechkinvirtual box23:06
thiago_homeah, ok23:06
thiago_homeI thought you mean Visual Basic23:06
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postmanPechkini am newbie, but not an IDIOT)))23:06
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lcukpostmanPechkin, i spent 10 years as a vb developer and still do same double take23:07
lcuknothing at all related to your skills23:08
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postmanPechkinok, but how can i start moblin on vb23:08
postmanPechkin?23:08
postmanPechkincan i?23:08
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postmanPechkinlcuk: but what about VB.net? is there compiler for Linux, or for moblin?23:12
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Stskeepshttp://www.visionmobile.com/blog/2010/04/is-android-evil/ is a good read so far (no, not wanting to pick on android, but i think we might have similar challenges)23:35
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thiago_homeyep23:36
thiago_homeI read that blog23:36
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GAN900Yes, yes it is evil.23:37
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thiago_homelots of mistakes not to make23:37
Stskeepshmm, would DUI run on a device that doesn't have a GL(ES) backend?23:38
Stskeepsie, the widgets set, not the whole desktop23:38
thiago_homeno23:39
thiago_homewe've been through this: MeeGo will require GL23:39
Stskeepsyes, i know that23:39
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Stskeepsi'm just curious about the actual impl of things in the so-called modern touch widget sets :P23:40
thiago_homelast I looked at DUI code, there was GL all over23:40
thiago_homeplain Qt as well as QML runs without GL23:42
Stskeepsk - thanks23:43
GAN900thiago_home, GL/GLES to be pedantic. ;)23:46
thiago_homeyeah23:46
slainepostmanPechkin: VirutalBox doesn't have the graphical capabilities to run Moblin, so it won't be able to run meego23:47
slainealso there's a kernel issue with the Day1 release23:47
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postmanPechkinoh, i see, you already explained it.23:50
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postmanPechkin))23:50
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CosmoHill:)23:53
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CosmoHillafter 5 hours I found out that my download was screwed up23:59
CosmoHillbut with the clever use of rsync I fixed it in 10 mins23:59

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