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dl9pf_no  b.o.o does no external links00:51
lbt:)00:52
dl9pf_all local deployed00:52
lbtpolicy?00:52
dl9pf_too00:52
lbtor just the way it is until now?00:52
dl9pf_i think both00:52
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dl9pfbut in HEAD download on demand is back again00:55
lbtI saw that...00:55
lbtbtw, have you worked on the events much?00:55
dl9pfbut thats for released trees00:55
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dl9pfnot much00:56
lbtI was looking into them vs Hermes00:57
lbttrying to get more detail from the /lastevents00:57
dl9pfthats good, the current messages are too brief sometimes00:58
lbtyeah, we want more for automation purposes too - running test suites etc00:59
lbthmm. one problem in that area is trying to get a tree/list of all the pkgs built as part of a single trigger event00:59
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dl9pfno idea atm01:04
dl9pfosc st01:04
lbtnp, it's the weekend now... Joggler hacking01:04
dl9pflol - wrong window01:04
dl9pf:)01:05
lbtheh, mer has been invaded!01:05
lbtthe Joggler's going to be a decent meego device01:05
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dl9pfonly available in UK, right ?01:06
lbtyeah, but I've sent 2 to poland, 5 to germany, 2 to US01:07
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dl9pfhm - thats an idea  ;)01:07
lbtO2 won't sell me anymore but we can find someone to buy one for you if you like01:08
lbtIt's about £20 to ship it01:08
dl9pfthats 40% of the device ... hehe01:09
TSCHAKeeelbt: are there proper graphics chip drivers?01:09
lbtTSCHAKeee: there's work being done on the IEGD ones01:10
zsto ship it where?01:10
lbtzs: germany01:10
TSCHAKeeelbt: what state are they in?01:10
* thiago_home needs to get some MeeGo devices01:11
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thiago_homeand send the expense to Nokia01:11
TSCHAKeeethere are meego devices?01:11
TSCHAKeee:)01:11
lbtTSCHAKeee: not 100% sure... Stskeeps knows01:11
arjanTSCHAKeee: we haven't released yet ;)01:12
arjanthere's moblin devices, and there's maemo devices01:12
thiago_homeTSCHAKeee: I think I can run MeeGo on most laptops and netbooks, so I should be able to claim anything as MeeGo device01:12
TSCHAKeeearjan: BAD ARJAN! RELEASE SOME STUFF! :P :)01:12
TSCHAKeeekidding01:12
* thiago_home already has all 3 maemo devices01:12
TSCHAKeeeI came across a very early meego transitional build for my netbook that i am running01:12
thiago_homeor more. I have my N800 too.01:13
zsso when MeeGo will be released?01:13
DawnFosterthe terminal window looks stunning on many different devices :)01:13
lbtarjan: as far as you know will the joggler hardware be 'supported' (even if not officially)01:13
zsthiago_home: there are 4 devices ;)01:13
arjanlbt: I have no idea; unless someone is really working on it ... it won't01:13
* TSCHAKeee has all the Maemo devices as well01:13
arjanI've not seen anyone work on joggler01:13
thiago_homezs: there are more. You just don't know about them :-)01:13
TSCHAKeeeisn't the joggler just GMA500 ?01:13
thiago_homezs: between cancelled and upcoming products.01:13
lbtTSCHAKeee: not "just"01:13
lbtsee the -dev ml01:13
zsthiago_home: 770, n800, n810, n900 :P01:14
thiago_homezs: N900++ and one more.01:14
zsn900++?01:14
thiago_homefor example, did you notice that there's a letter missing between Diablo and Fremantle?01:14
lbtheck, we know the Joggler runs ubuntu really nicely... I'm sure Meego can step up ;)01:14
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thiago_homeand another letter missing between Fremantle and Harmattan?01:14
DawnFosterzs: On release dates: MeeGo 1.0 in May. MeeGo 1.1 in October. 6 month cadence from there on01:14
Mekthe one between fremantle and harmattan was already used earlier as gregale...01:14
DawnFosterMore details on releases in the minutes from this TSG meeting http://trac.tspre.org/meetbot/meego-meeting/2010/meego-meeting.2010-03-24-19.58.html01:15
lbtthiago_home: N810 WiMax?01:15
thiago_homeright, Gregale01:15
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zsDawnFoster: thanks01:15
thiago_homebut the E is missing01:15
thiago_homeI heard it was Elephanta01:15
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lbtarjan: the kernel.spec file...01:16
thiago_homeanyway, there are some cancelled devices too (devices that were prototyped, but never released)01:16
lbthow do I get it to build a kernel with my config?01:17
arjanlbt: make your own config-foo that has your changes on top of the inheritance tree01:17
lbtyep, seeing that01:18
arjando you want a whole new config?01:18
arjanor just one or two changes01:18
arjanthe later is much easier01:18
lbtmeh, I have a config01:18
lbtso I'd have to do a diff...01:18
arjansee configdiff.pl01:18
lbt'k01:18
TSCHAKeeei wonder if a pre-fremantel mer will run this smartQ01:19
TSCHAKeee(yes, I am _THAT_ chafed with SmartDevice's ubuntu)01:19
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microlithhmm03:05
microlithyay scrollback03:05
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TSCHAKeeesilly question, is it possible to get Qt to render everything into an OpenGL ES context?03:37
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LuciusMarehello11:04
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pupnikcan i get something like a beagleboard with omap4430 or equivalent11:10
thiago_homeask TI11:12
thiago_homenot us11:12
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pupniki hope such things will be available for joe public soon11:18
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thiago_homeagain, if you want to buy hardware, contact the hardware vendor11:26
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lbtI'm looking at customising the kernel .spec file to use my own config and could do with some support (being a deb-head!)11:48
lbtarjan: I got cut off last night during our chat - sorry.11:48
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lbtso I've got my desired config and configdiff.pl11:49
lbtI see Source10[1234567]: lines for various config variations11:50
lbtI want to just build my kernel though - not all the variants...11:50
thiago_homeit's 2 am in Portland now11:51
kunguzdoes anyone use IEGD driver with Moblin?11:52
lbtthiago_home: yeah it's a bit like that isn't it11:53
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koupsaakunguz,, http://moblin.org/projects/2.1-ivi-project-releases12:07
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kunguzkoupsaa: I got this problem with that version. It opens with a black screen. After I compile IEGD, I think somehow it is now using the primary screen. I couldn't figure out how to set xorg.conf12:11
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koupsaakunguz sorry i have to go .12:19
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cyberkonsulthello, I messed up the bootble img (I spend time configuring a lot of stuff incl. chat firefox and whatnot)...and ..12:19
cyberkonsultand to make thing fit, I linked the /usr/lib to another partition on the usb-memory, which..12:20
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cyberkonsultmeh.. now the libblkid isn''t availible until after the mount of the said partition....12:21
cyberkonsultlibblkid.so ...12:21
cyberkonsulthow do pub that lib on the root partition again?? I'm not that familiar with dm_snapshot tech...12:22
cyberkonsultshort question, how do I mount the dm_snapshot.img , change the contents and save the img again ??12:24
cyberkonsultchanging the extfs.img does nothing, since the fs that is read is the dm_snapshot ??12:25
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pupnikcould meego run on Samsung Moment?12:39
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lbtany reason the kernel config-generic is based on a 2.6.28 kernel for a 2.6.32.2 build?13:41
Stskeepsx86 or arm?13:42
lbtx8613:44
lbtjust working through the kernel.spec stuff and the various configs13:44
lbtconfig-arm-generic is derived from it too13:45
Stskeepswell, maybe it started as a 2.6.28 config13:46
lbtit did .... but it doesn't have the 2.6.32 oldconfig updates13:46
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lbtso running config-generic through make oldconfig and picking the right (?) values gives a 1.6k line diff13:51
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BorosMnakHi14:11
BorosMnakany one here? i want to ask for help14:11
BorosMnaki have downloaded meego for intel atom, but the file is .usbimg14:12
BorosMnakwhat can i do to install it on my netbook ?14:12
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glinpusdd it to a bootable device such as an sd card or usb key14:18
glinpusbut from what I understand, the "install" doesn't do anything yet14:19
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cotigaohi14:40
cotigaoi am just a starter in maemo/meego14:41
cotigaowhat would be the appropriate way to start?14:41
cotigaothough meego or maemo?14:41
cotigao*through14:42
RST38hYou want maemo or meego?14:42
cotigaoRST38h, isnt it the same now?14:42
RST38hIf you want Maemo, it will be maemo.org, get SDK there, get a real device, etc14:42
RST38hNo, not the same right now14:42
RST38hIf you want MeeGo, get Moblin Developer Edition or whatever the netbook version is called14:43
cotigaoRST38h, i see...  thanks14:43
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TurboVomithi15:24
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TurboVomitcan we try meego?15:24
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TurboVomithow can we use the usbimg ?15:25
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pupnikhave a n900?15:25
TurboVomitno15:26
TurboVomiti'd like to :)15:26
TurboVomitbut i tried moblin, and i really like it15:26
TurboVomiteven with no codec :-$15:27
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Rudranchin chin16:51
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lbtarjan: ping17:17
* thiago_home looks at the clock17:18
thiago_home7:18 in Portland17:18
lbthe may have insomnia...17:18
lbtand the kernel packaging is so ..... revolting17:18
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lbtI so hate wasting time figuring things out because other people don't bother documenting their code17:20
lbtthe biggest walls in opensource are the barriers to entry17:21
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anaZwhat is not documented ?17:37
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jenspHey there, I wanted to compile the meego fork of qemu, however, when compiling the gles-libs I noticed an error in the Makefile.17:40
jenspIn dgles2/Makefile on line 4 a file is included which doesn't exist17:40
jenspso make always failes. Does anyone know where I can get the file?17:40
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jenspOh, forget it, PEBCAK :)17:46
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pupnikhttp://www.bikudo.com/buy/details/602276/htc_desire_bravo_unlocked_usd222.html  would this be a candidate for meego?  (runs android)17:55
thiago_homeif HTC wants it, sure17:57
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lbtanaZ: not much just makespec.pl, ./IVI ./MRST, merge.pl, the config-* "diff/overide" files, configdiff.pl, kernel.spec.in, the additional @@<X> preprocessor19:55
lbtand there's no README or overview. The 2.6.32 kernels are built using a 2.6.28 config baseline19:56
lbtalso the purpose of config-generic is unclear since it has hardware selections in it19:57
lbtapart from that it's crystal clear. Didn't take more than 3 hours to do a make config ;)19:57
th0br0Hello everyone; heya lbt.19:57
lbthi th0br0 ... was thinking about the lessons...19:58
lbtwe need to get a minimal virtualbox meego image ready and then go through using zypper/yum etc19:59
lbtand then go through spec files building.. We could use the kernel.spec as an anti-example ;)19:59
Stskeepslessons?19:59
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th0br0I'm looking for the page, duh20:00
th0br0https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MeeGo_Packaging_FAD currently in planning.20:00
lbtStskeeps:  the fedora guys offered to run a spec/rpm tutorial for us20:00
* Stskeeps looks20:00
lbtjust 'cos they're nice guys :)20:01
Stskeepsor feel pity ;)20:01
Stskeepssounds good though20:02
lbtat having to use rpm/spec....?20:02
Stskeepsour horrid skill at it? :P20:02
th0br0but yeah, i agree with you lbt. but right now, such an event would be a bit early i think.20:02
lbt*nod*20:03
lbtgives more prep time!20:03
suihkulokkispec files seems reasonable except for the rpm macro parts20:03
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Stskeepsmacros are a bit funky but dh_ is comparable :P20:03
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lbtI'm just glad that you know that whenever you see a % it's a macro20:04
lbtoh, wait20:04
suihkulokkiStskeeps: each of the dh_ have a well written manpage :)20:04
Stskeepstrue20:04
th0br0dh_?20:07
lbtth0br0: ah, the wonders of debhelper20:07
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th0br0ok..20:07
Terjesuihkulokki, dozens of man pages about small things do not help if somebody's trying to understand the whole.20:09
lbtth0br0: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/MeeGo_Packaging_FAD#Coverage20:13
th0br0sounds reasonable20:15
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suihkulokkiTerje: the main debhelper manpage has overview, but perhaps the best way is to set DH_VERBOSE env variable to show all actions done20:24
suihkulokkibut my point is not to start a deb-rpm fight, but rather to get some to point me to guide explainen the macro language and howto trace spec macros when things go unexpected20:29
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amjadhello so i can not install firefox 3.5.7 from meego-extra repo on my meego previewe chroot cause of system-bookmarks dependency errors21:52
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TurboVomitdid meego work on eeepc 701?23:09
TurboVomitor is it only for arm and atom?23:09
CosmoHillisn't the eeepc atom?23:10
TurboVomitthe eeepc 701 is not23:10
TurboVomitmoblin don't work on eeepc 70123:10
CosmoHilldoes it's processor have SSSE3?23:10
TSCHAKeeenope23:10
TSCHAKeeenot even close23:10
TurboVomiti don't know sorry23:10
TSCHAKeeeit's a mobile celeron23:10
TurboVomityes that's it !23:10
TSCHAKeeecranked waaaay down23:10
CosmoHillthen you would require a new kernel for meego to work23:10
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TurboVomitthat's sad23:11
TSCHAKeeewelcome to the first gen bite23:11
TurboVomiti always dreamed about moblin on eeepc70123:11
TurboVomiteeepc 701 and his 7'' screen :)23:11
TSCHAKeeewhy when you can get a new eeePC that's more powerful23:11
TSCHAKeeefor less23:11
TurboVomitmoi got a 1008HA23:12
TurboVomit1,6 Ghz woohoo23:12
TurboVomitmoblin work great on this23:12
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TurboVomit701 got limitation23:15
TurboVomitgood to see if an os can run on slow configuration23:16
TurboVomitlike puppy linux23:16
CosmoHillcos you could pet it?23:17
TurboVomitbecause it's fast as death23:17
TurboVomiteven with 100mhz processor23:17
TurboVomiteven with 64 of ram23:18
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TurboVomiti hope meego will read mp3 ahahah23:24
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TurboVomitmeego irc is not very fun23:48
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lcukTurboVomit, what would make it fun23:52
lcukparty streamers?23:52
lcukclowns?23:52
TurboVomityeah23:52
TurboVomiti like clowns23:52
* CosmoHill puts makeup on lcuk 23:52
* lcuk throws a custard pie @ CosmoHill 23:53
* CosmoHill opens his mouth and noms23:53
* lcuk giggles because it was a chilly-custard pie23:53
TurboVomitamazing23:53
lcukchilli *23:54
* lcuk cannot smell23:54
leiniromnomnom chili custard ;)23:54
lcuki see you cannot smell either23:54
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* CosmoHill much better23:56
lcukshame it was frozen23:56
lcuksorry23:56
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