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| alden | ah k.. i ought to subscribe | 00:02 |
| anaZ | post of the day | 00:05 |
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| alden | cant find it in the archives | 00:08 |
| alden | keywords? | 00:08 |
| anaZ | http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2010-April/001384.html | 00:09 |
| alden | rofl | 00:11 |
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| _Sky_ | CosmoHill: I'm just recompiling the meego kernel with i586 support, i took the config from the kernel-devel package and just changed the cpu architecture | 00:53 |
| CosmoHill | so it will support more now? | 00:53 |
| _Sky_ | i hope so, should be like the ubuntu image but now the correct version, so you should be able to load modules and maybe the mouse will work | 00:54 |
| * alden crosses fingers | 00:55 | |
| _Sky_ | i'll try to make a syslinux image like mrec | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | i think the main problem was the the kernel in the initrd and the kernel on meego were different | 00:55 |
| CosmoHill | btw happy easter everyone | 00:55 |
| _Sky_ | yeah, i also think so | 00:55 |
| _Sky_ | happy easter ;) | 00:56 |
| * alden thinks the only reason the easter bunny hides his eggs is because he screwed the chicken. | 00:56 | |
| alden | happy easter :) | 00:56 |
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| _Sky_ | make[1]: *** No rule to make target `/lib/firmware/mrvl/sd8688.bin', needed by `firmware/mrvl/sd8688.bin.gen.o'. Stop. | 01:00 |
| _Sky_ | ^^ i'll take that out for now, the i586 image should be mainly for vm's so most people won't miss this module | 01:01 |
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| trem | nite all, sweet dreams | 02:42 |
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| cyberkonsult | uh.. back in the old times, using xfwm4 .. crayzy.. | 03:14 |
| cyberkonsult | That took some fiddeling to get xchat and firefox working.. mixed repos (meego and F12).. | 03:16 |
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| _Sky_ | chromium is working fine by the way :) | 03:17 |
| DeuX | what's the best hardware (netbook based) to test meego and doing app development for meego ?) | 03:18 |
| cyberkonsult | getting Segmentation fault here as soon as a touch yum.... | 03:21 |
| cyberkonsult | DeuX: I have no idea... prob some late atom | 03:22 |
| cyberkonsult | atom based netbook. | 03:22 |
| cyberkonsult | I have acer aspire 1410 which is a celeron...but it kinda works anyway... | 03:23 |
| cyberkonsult | I read somewhere that it has to have ssse3 ... (cat /proc/cpuinfo) | 03:24 |
| koupsaa | cyberkonsult, http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment | 03:25 |
| cyberkonsult | This is a pretty fast netbook... | 03:25 |
| cyberkonsult | but for some reason, the mouse (touchpad) is hysterical... | 03:26 |
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| cyberkonsult | oops, closed an exterm, which was the root from xchat... | 03:29 |
| cyberkonsult | koupsaa: Thanks... good stuff! | 03:31 |
| cyberkonsult | scroll on touchpad not working... | 03:32 |
| _Sky_ | I just compiled a i586 kernel for meego :D it seems to works, also the mouse input from /dev/input/mice is there now | 03:32 |
| koupsaa | _Sky_, you have an X ? | 03:33 |
| cyberkonsult | my pointer seems to have its own life, when left alone, if I take control of it, it behaves... | 03:33 |
| _Sky_ | koupsaa: i guess you need the xorg-x11-fb-drv or something like that, you can install it with yum | 03:34 |
| cyberkonsult | Next project for me is to get a keyboardlayot (fi/sv) | 03:36 |
| cyberkonsult | and there went firefox .. poof* | 03:37 |
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| CosmoHill | night night | 03:54 |
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| postmanPechkin | good buy | 03:57 |
| postmanPechkin | *goodbye | 03:58 |
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| th0br0 | ohai | 14:22 |
| rmrfchik | hai | 14:23 |
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| koupsaa | bonzai | 14:33 |
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| th0br0 | Banza~i | 14:41 |
| rmrfchik | codename of next meego release? | 14:43 |
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| koupsaa | mogwai | 14:44 |
| th0br0 | Gizmo? | 14:44 |
| koupsaa | take care of water! or gremlins ! | 14:44 |
| th0br0 | :D | 14:44 |
| koupsaa | :) | 14:44 |
| th0br0 | They're cute tho | 14:45 |
| koupsaa | we see the historical reference :) | 14:45 |
| th0br0 | :) | 14:45 |
| javispedro | if you feed meego after midnight, it will grow a xterm | 14:45 |
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| koupsaa | mouahhahahahaha javis | 14:45 |
| javispedro | a _evil_ xterm | 14:45 |
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| rmrfchik | heh, dir listing instead of page on maemo weekly news: http://www.mwkn.net/2010/14/ | 14:54 |
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| th0br0 | ^^ rmrfchik | 14:57 |
| rmrfchik | this link is in RSS feed! i'm a haxor! ;) | 14:58 |
| rmrfchik | i'm not! | 14:58 |
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| _Sky_ | good afternoon :) | 15:03 |
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| th0br0 | good afternoon _Sky_ | 15:14 |
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| ypahnu | hi all, there's so many | 15:52 |
| w00t_ | yup | 15:52 |
| seiflotfy | hey :) | 15:52 |
| ypahnu | will meego be able to play flash ? | 15:52 |
| ypahnu | I would like to know more about videostream, any of you are in this area? | 15:53 |
| ypahnu | what's ConnectTV ? | 15:54 |
| w00t_ | I imagine there will be flash support via one of the open source implementations, I don't know if that's already done | 15:54 |
| ypahnu | i'm intaling the IDE, let me try do something ;) | 15:56 |
| koupsaa | IDE ? | 15:57 |
| ypahnu | Qt creator | 15:59 |
| koupsaa | ok | 15:59 |
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| ypahnu | basic layout.. looks nice ;) | 16:02 |
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| koupsaa | on arm? atom? virtualized? live usb? | 16:02 |
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| ypahnu | i am testing a few examples.. very nice | 16:26 |
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| rmrfchik | ok, i have chicken interpreter running on n900. | 16:31 |
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| jeremiah | Mmmmm, chicken. | 16:38 |
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| jeremiah | So those who are looking for pykickstart for their MIC2 installations on debian, I've submitted an RFP for pykickstart. | 16:40 |
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| rmrfchik | jeremiah: chicken is scheme | 16:48 |
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| ypahnu | videostream solutions? any tips? | 16:55 |
| hurewitz | What is the best dev environment for MeeGo to rebuild the product sources? | 16:58 |
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| ypahnu | if it's c++ I would say visual studio express ( but I really don't know ) | 16:59 |
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| ypahnu | I will try to do a movie player, since I didn't find one in examples | 17:00 |
| jeremiah | A scheme to create more chickens! | 17:01 |
| jeremiah | ypahnu: There will be dozens of movie players created. | 17:01 |
| jeremiah | Look at gstreamer or pulseaudio | 17:02 |
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| koupsaa | hurewitz, http://wiki.meego.com/Developing_in_a_Meego_Environment | 17:03 |
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| hurewitz | koupsaa, so it seems like testing has been done with Fedora 12. Sounds good to me. Time to download. | 17:04 |
| ypahnu | koupsaa, I saw that. I found it on quarkplayer and Rationales, I am wondering what to do with all this. | 17:04 |
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| ypahnu | I am wondering how would meego be working on a car system !? | 17:06 |
| ypahnu | would it be possible to install/use on my oldy 486 laptop? | 17:07 |
| VDVsx | lol | 17:07 |
| VDVsx | you know car systems are very powerful nowadays :) | 17:08 |
| lbt | ypahnu: Meego has IVI involved... | 17:08 |
| ypahnu | well the only one that impress me it's JVC | 17:08 |
| ypahnu | has IVI involved ? what's that? | 17:09 |
| lbt | 17:09 | |
| lbt | I'm seriously interested in using a Joggler in a car | 17:09 |
| koupsaa | for now meego is only a term for developpping. euh if your 486 is an atom lol. in vm or vbox maybe. and if you want to develop an app use qt. | 17:09 |
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| ypahnu | ohh offcourse.. any other framework that's not atom , won't work | 17:11 |
| koupsaa | arm works | 17:11 |
| ypahnu | so I guess my oldy Nokia 6600 won't be able to use meego ? | 17:11 |
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| ypahnu | all next generation Nokias will have with meego ? | 17:12 |
| ypahnu | or it's like Android that not many phone have it ? | 17:13 |
| ypahnu | Android target it's so small that's not profitable develop apps for it | 17:14 |
| ypahnu | meego will not be like that, right? | 17:14 |
| javispedro | well, sorry to deceive you: symbian will remain for a while | 17:15 |
| javispedro | the good news is that Qt should provide a common development framework. | 17:15 |
| koupsaa | maybe it will be like taht. now i think is to early to really now. | 17:16 |
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| ypahnu | http://www.engadget.com/2010/01/07/lg-gw990-hands-on/ is this meego? it's playing youtube video? | 17:18 |
| w00t_ | "The UI at present is just a standard S-class layered on top of Moblin, giving us no cause for excitement," | 17:19 |
| w00t_ | reading the article you link to might be helpful :P | 17:19 |
| ypahnu | http://www.engadget.com/2010/02/16/lg-gw990-to-be-among-first-meego-phones/ | 17:20 |
| thiago | don't believe everything you read on engadget | 17:21 |
| w00t_ | as there isn't a complete meego system for it to use now, that would be a bit diffuclt | 17:21 |
| ypahnu | so every Moblin phone can use moogo ? | 17:21 |
| ypahnu | *meego ? | 17:21 |
| thiago | that question doesn't make sense | 17:22 |
| * w00t_ agrees | 17:22 | |
| w00t_ | anyway, there are lots of devices that will probably be able to use it | 17:22 |
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| ypahnu | I still very confuse with all this. I am not really a mobile device developer | 17:24 |
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| lbt | heh... we really need "Welcome. Meego's current status is ..." page on the wiki | 17:26 |
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| thiago | we could say that the status is green | 17:27 |
| lbt | including some FAQs | 17:27 |
| thiago | then have people ask what it means | 17:27 |
| lbt | I was going to say amber | 17:27 |
| lbt | beats <scared> | 17:27 |
| w00t_ | ypahnu: summary is this. meego is currently in a very young state, it doesn't have a GUI to play with, it isn't ready for commercial use *yet* | 17:27 |
| w00t_ | ypahnu: that particular device may, or may not end up using meego - as might many others | 17:28 |
| thiago | well, it is ready for commercial use. But you still have to do stuff on it. | 17:28 |
| thiago | there's a good foundation for anyone to build a UI. | 17:28 |
| w00t_ | thiago: right, my meaning is that a product isn't going to ship with meego on it this week | 17:28 |
| w00t_ | unless the target audience really like xterm | 17:28 |
| thiago | no | 17:28 |
| thiago | you assume that all products will use the meego default UI | 17:28 |
| javispedro | or they have some über programmer capable of creating a entire qt mobile ui :) | 17:28 |
| thiago | that isn't necessary | 17:28 |
| thiago | if someone has a UI built on Linux, they could deploy MeeGo today | 17:29 |
| thiago | they don't even have to use Qt | 17:29 |
| w00t_ | they could, yes, but as no such devices have been announced, it's safe to assume that they haven't, or they're waiting for a little more of the dust to settle | 17:29 |
| thiago | I wouldn't assume that they haven't | 17:29 |
| thiago | I could assume that they are waiting for the dust to settle | 17:30 |
| * w00t_ shrugs | 17:30 | |
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| w00t_ | I certainly wouldn't be dumping a commercial product on top of an OS that was under a month out the gate after the first code release | 17:31 |
| w00t_ | let me qualify that | 17:31 |
| w00t_ | I wouldn't be aiming to release a commercial product anywhere near a month after the first code release | 17:31 |
| thiago | you wouldn't, because you're reasonable | 17:31 |
| thiago | :-) | 17:31 |
| thiago | companies, however... | 17:31 |
| w00t_ | hopefully have reasonable people working at them | 17:31 |
| w00t_ | or people listening to those reasonable people | 17:32 |
| thiago | the problem is that reasonable people pull each in different directions | 17:32 |
| w00t_ | if they don't, they usually won't stay in business all that long - repeated bad decisions tend to stack up | 17:32 |
| thiago | plus there's some reasonable people high up who don't know what they're talking about and say "let's just do that" | 17:32 |
| ypahnu | but for the future do you beleave that nokia will release all phone with meego? with diferent releases depending on each phone? and all games / apps that we do will compatible with it? | 17:32 |
| w00t_ | ypahnu: no | 17:32 |
| thiago | ypahnu: no | 17:33 |
| thiago | Nokia will continue releasing Symbian and S40 phones | 17:33 |
| thiago | I *do not* know the volume order for sure, but I would guess that for each MeeGo phone shipped, there will be 10 Symbian ones, and 100 S40 ones | 17:33 |
| w00t_ | however, application compatibility between them should be fairly easy to achieve using Qt | 17:33 |
| thiago | not with S40 | 17:34 |
| w00t_ | true | 17:34 |
| thiago | but with Symbian, that should work | 17:34 |
| w00t_ | S40 is a different ballgame, and not one I know much about thankfully | 17:34 |
| thiago | engadget was running some numbers some months ago (when the N900 was announced) and declared that Nokia intended to ship another 200 million Symbian phones in 2 years | 17:34 |
| ypahnu | hum, so would be great that we could publish from qt creator to any of those devices? | 17:34 |
| thiago | so, if we get 20 million N900++, I'll be very happy | 17:35 |
| w00t_ | thiago: I think the volume of N900s even was higher than anticipated, given all the supply problems initially etc | 17:35 |
| ypahnu | I can't understand why don't every phone brand use the same OS, that would better for all, right? | 17:36 |
| w00t_ | no | 17:37 |
| thiago | ypahnu: that's what Symbian tried to do | 17:37 |
| thiago | it was (I think) the first multi-brand phone OS | 17:37 |
| w00t_ | well, I suppose from some perspectives, actually, it would be good, but I'd much rather have different brands trying different things | 17:37 |
| thiago | before Symbian, there were only custom-made kernels, made specifically for a device | 17:37 |
| w00t_ | strong competition leads to innovation | 17:37 |
| thiago | besides, can you imagine Apple using anything that would loosen their control? | 17:38 |
| CosmoHill | anyone care to answer a JS question? | 17:38 |
| ypahnu | but aren't we in a ERA that opensource leads to inovations ? | 17:38 |
| thiago | ypahnu: that sentence doesn't mean anything at all | 17:39 |
| w00t_ | ypahnu: if there is no competition, there is no need to try improve things, there is no drive to improve | 17:39 |
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| ypahnu | so any of you get payed to build meego? who pays you? | 17:43 |
| openstandards | ypahnu, symbian is open source these days any way | 17:43 |
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| openstandards | ypahnu, meego has paid devs but it also has testers and devs not getting paid | 17:44 |
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| * thiago is paid to do many things | 17:47 | |
| thiago | but not specifically MeeGo | 17:47 |
| cyberkonsult | thiago: Quich easy way to chang keyboard (in X and or consol) | 17:47 |
| cyberkonsult | Quick | 17:47 |
| thiago | setxkbmap | 17:48 |
| cyberkonsult | Thankgod... my head was in suspend.. | 17:48 |
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| w00t_ | thiago: yet you do it for the love of it anyway? :-) | 17:50 |
| th0br0 | openstandards: it may be open source but it is not open source in a manner consumable by the masses | 17:50 |
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| thiago | I'm paid to work on Qt, and since Qt is part of MeeGo, I end up working in MeeGo indirectly | 17:51 |
| * w00t_ is enjoying getting to work with Qt professionally | 17:52 | |
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| * VDVsx too :D | 17:53 | |
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| w00t_ | VDVsx: ++ :) | 17:54 |
| openstandards | now that maemo has merged, will they open up more ports of maemo? | 17:55 |
| w00t_ | openstandards: do you have specifics you're thinking of? | 17:55 |
| openstandards | like accessing and improving the calendar? | 17:56 |
| w00t_ | I don't know what will be happening with regards to Maemo, I imagine MeeGo will have open calendaring of some kind in the future though | 17:57 |
| w00t_ | whether or not vendors use it or not though... | 17:57 |
| openstandards | i hope its icalendar compatible i really hate how pants the current calendar app is | 17:58 |
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| johnel | If I replace the meego kernel with something more generic would I be able to install meego on a laptop (Pentium III 450mhz)? | 18:02 |
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| ShadowJK | I think you'd need to recompile everything | 18:05 |
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| johnel | I shall give that a go - thank you ShadowJK. | 18:09 |
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| ypahnu | johnel, that's what I need ;) | 18:10 |
| ypahnu | light OS for old PC | 18:11 |
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| koupsa | ok pidgin in ;eego | 20:19 |
| koupsa | need zwer | 20:19 |
| koupsa | zwerty now | 20:19 |
| koupsa | echo $PATH | 20:21 |
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| chadjust | hi | 23:27 |
| chadjust | how do i use this? | 23:27 |
| thiago | well, you type and press enter | 23:28 |
| thiago | when you do that, your IRC client sends the line to the IRC server | 23:28 |
| thiago | the IRC server then sends to us and we see what you typed | 23:29 |
| chadjust | all users get the msg? | 23:29 |
| lcuk | chadjust, yes, we also have loud speakers broadcasting your messages across the hilltops | 23:29 |
| ShadowJK | aa 364 present in this channel | 23:30 |
| chadjust | cool thanks | 23:31 |
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