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| ilew | jonwil: ping | 10:26 |
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| jonwil | hi | 10:27 |
| ilew | Hey, I read that you need someone to talk to re CSSU-Testing? | 10:27 |
| jonwil | Yeah I want to know what we need to do to get more packages into CSSU-testing | 10:28 |
| jonwil | Those that have been tested enough to be considered "safe" | 10:28 |
| jonwil | and/or that have good reasons to go into CSSU-testing | 10:28 |
| ilew | Do you know about the testing-testing repo? It's the packages that have been in cssu-devel and then picked to be used for the release.. | 10:29 |
| jonwil | Nope, dont know that | 10:31 |
| ilew | It's about 99% ready. The only thing missing is the latest mp-fremantle-community-pr and then it's good to go for an actual CSSU-testing release. Unfortuately I don't have any permission to actually do the release. | 10:32 |
| jonwil | Got a link to testing-testing so I can see whats in it that's not in testing? | 10:36 |
| jonwil | ilwe? | 10:41 |
| jonwil | ilew? | 10:41 |
| ilew | Sorry for the slow response. I had to handtype and checked that it worked. | 10:45 |
| ilew | Everything in mp-fremantle-community-pr is what is in there though. | 10:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | seems we need to start another "shanghaiing session" to help merlin1991 out with managing the repos, eh? | 13:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the approach so far was that the repo maintainer gathers feedback on packages in here, evaluates those and decides if they are sufficient for qualifying a package as "ready for going prime time" | 13:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then same based on cssu-testing getting deployed, for cssu-stable | 13:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where stable would never adopt packages that are not fixing bugs | 13:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while in testing there sneaks in a mere improvement package every now and then | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | see e.g. camera-ui | 13:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the "problem" is we need a maintainer who understands and follows that scheme | 13:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | beta-tests pre cssu-testing are frequently based on deploying .deb. Occasionally a developer may want to test packaging in cssu-devel after the core application considered working and betatested | 14:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | .deb are frequently deployed via tmo | 14:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | resp via arbitrary web hosts linked to in tmo | 14:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((gathers feedback on packages in here, evaluates those)) often involves a lot of prodding | 14:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | evaluation could also happen in a "meeting" based on meritocracy, which is basically just an enforced feedback gathering. Final decision if feedback suffices is up to the repo maintainer | 14:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and should be conservative | 14:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a basic rule being: a package devel has no voice in evaluation | 14:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (...of their own package, that is) | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | basically packages - during evaluation - should get approved for release only when unanimously voted for by the ones who participated in evaluating the package | 14:12 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: jonwil: lets discuss ke-recv issue here | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | fptf-provate is not logged, for start | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | *private | 19:25 |
| Pali | ~seen ilew | 19:26 |
| infobot | ilew <~ilew@203.219.228.227> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 8h 39m 51s ago, saying: 'Everything in mp-fremantle-community-pr is what is in there though.'. | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | do we have anyone else but ilew that was able to reproduce the issue? | 19:26 |
| Pali | ilew had a problem with ke-recv from cssu-devel | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | yeah, i know the story, at least partially | 19:26 |
| Pali | I was not able and do not know if somebody else tried that... | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | wouldn;t git-bisect do the job? | 19:26 |
| Pali | yes, once you are able to reproduce it | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | but if ilew is able... | 19:27 |
| Pali | just build different versions of DEB packages | 19:27 |
| Pali | and try one by one | 19:27 |
| Pali | there are not too many versions, so binary search does not speed it up | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | Pali: my devel device is highly customized (to boot maemo with upstream and whatnot), so I am not sure I'll be of help here | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | we should really ask Ilew do do that, instead of wasting time to see if we are able to reproduce on first place | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | agree? | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | in the meanwhile - even if we are able to fix the issue, who is going to release that new CSSU? | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | I doubt merlin1991 will do, given he was converted | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | :p | 19:31 |
| jonwil | ilew is working on a cssu-testing-testing actually | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | ok, and once it is ok, what? | 19:32 |
| jonwil | Not sure. | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | yes, exactly. I think there is no point fixing things that are going to be never released | 19:34 |
| jonwil | that's up to ilew to figure out | 19:38 |
| jonwil | will ke-recv still exist on the N900 under maemo-leste or does its job get taken over by something from upstream? | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | ke-recv is there | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | but we're far from it being actually useful | 19:41 |
| jonwil | Ok. | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | hmm, lemme check | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: no, it is not there | 19:42 |
| freemangordon | should put it on todo list | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | however, it will be a big task, we should get rid of HAL | 19:43 |
| jonwil | I assume on N900 maemo-leste uses the bme replacement from pali and not the Nokia blob? | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | no bme or replacement | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | there is a new mce module based on upower | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | but we're still to test it | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | no reason to use bme, n900 upstream kernel has standard battery/charger interfaces | 19:46 |
| jonwil | Ok. | 19:46 |
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| jonwil | There are a few userspace packages that talk to BME via libbmeipc and hald-addon-bme (no clue if any are closed source). | 19:55 |
| jonwil | Some massaging will need to be done to make those work 100% I guess | 19:56 |
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