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| badcloud | Hello all | 18:23 |
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| badcloud | is the n900 supposed to answer/end calls by opening/closing hardware keyboard? | 18:24 |
| badcloud | I'm running Thumb Testing | 18:24 |
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| badcloud | Hi DrCode, Pali | 18:40 |
| Pali | badcloud: hi | 18:41 |
| badcloud | Do you guys know of it's possible to answer/end calls by opening/closing hardware keyboard? I'm running cssu thumb testing | 18:41 |
| Pali | do not know... | 18:42 |
| Pali | IIRC no such feature was added to CSSU | 18:42 |
| badcloud | thanks Pali | 18:43 |
| badcloud | in that case it would be a nice feature to have | 18:43 |
| badcloud | albiet I'm asking ~6-7 years late :) | 18:44 |
| bencoh | call-ui is closed-source ... I wonder if there'd be a clean way to implement it | 18:48 |
| Pali | some daemon | 18:55 |
| Pali | open/close keyboard event is sent via gpio-switch /sys/ interface | 18:56 |
| Pali | and IIRC answering call can be done via dbus | 18:56 |
| Pali | ending probably too | 18:56 |
| Pali | badcloud: but try to look at talk.maemo.org or in existing Maemo applications in Extras | 18:57 |
| Pali | maybe there is already some which can do that... | 18:57 |
| bencoh | wouldn't that conflict with rtcom-call-ui? (I have actually no idea) | 18:58 |
| Pali | why conflict? | 18:58 |
| Pali | call-ui provides some DBUS api | 18:59 |
| Pali | and you can use it | 18:59 |
| bencoh | well there is a slider app to answer calls, so you might be right | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | hi! | 18:59 |
| Pali | hi! | 18:59 |
| bencoh | ha in that case yeah, I thought dbus api was exposed by the underlying framework (rtcom_ | 18:59 |
| bencoh | hey o? | 18:59 |
| bencoh | o/ | 18:59 |
| freemangordon | Pali: did you think about leaving CSSU thumb-only? | 19:00 |
| Pali | I have no opinion... | 19:01 |
| Pali | basically I do not see any problem | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | well, I need support, not opinions :) | 19:01 |
| bencoh | you wanna switch CSSU to thumb? | 19:01 |
| freemangordon | the point is - I won't do it alone | 19:01 |
| Pali | I can help | 19:02 |
| Pali | as always | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: no, I wanna keep further development on -thumb only | 19:02 |
| Pali | basically all github repos should be prepared for thumb | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I know you can, the question is will you commit to it | 19:02 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: migrating -testing to -thumb, and backport changes to stable? | 19:02 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: no, freezing -stabe and -testing at the point where they are now | 19:03 |
| bencoh | hmm | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | everything new to be in -thumb only | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: the reason behind that is the lack of manpower | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | as simple as that | 19:04 |
| bencoh | I guess you're only talking about cssu, not extras builder? | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | I have no powers ove extras builder | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | *over | 19:04 |
| bencoh | right | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | well, I *have* powers, but still :) | 19:04 |
| bencoh | and ... does everything work on cssu-thumb in the end? | 19:04 |
| freemangordon | most probably no | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | but it will be better than end where nothing works, no matter thumb or not | 19:05 |
| bencoh | true | 19:05 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: as everyday more and more stuff, esp online is not working anymore | 19:06 |
| bencoh | well I'd be happy to see -thumb hosted on maemo infra for a start, and a thumb build of -stable too | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | and who's going to to that? | 19:06 |
| bencoh | and you're right about manpower, so... | 19:06 |
| bencoh | no idea :) | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | see :) | 19:06 |
| bencoh | I'd be glad to help ... still need to grab a second device though | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | go ahead :). | 19:08 |
| freemangordon | TBH I need someone to driver the PR stuff - like TMO posting, release notes etc. Dvel stuff as well, ofc | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | *drive | 19:09 |
| bencoh | :) | 19:10 |
| bencoh | do we have an up-to-date list of open tasks? | 19:11 |
| bencoh | or something remotely close to that? | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: no idea, honestly | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | in my TODO top priority is TLS | 19:11 |
| bencoh | I know maemo has a bugtracker, but err... | 19:12 |
| bencoh | what about TLS? | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | it is olde | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | *old | 19:12 |
| bencoh | ah you mean openssl | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | no, I meant TLS | 19:12 |
| freemangordon | gnutls | 19:13 |
| bencoh | ah, that one | 19:13 |
| bencoh | which parts of maemo depend on gnutls (and not openssl or libnss)? | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | yep. libsoup uses it, gstreamer-http uses libsoup :) | 19:14 |
| bencoh | I see | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | so soon we will have no https video playback ;) | 19:14 |
| bencoh | indeed | 19:14 |
| bencoh | hm I actually thought we didn't have https support in gstreamer thus far | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | we have | 19:15 |
| bencoh | did you check gnutls ABI? | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | cutetube uses it through Qt | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: no, but do we have an option? | 19:16 |
| bencoh | yeah but ... who takes care of https? phonon through qtnetwork stuff, or gstreamer through libsoup? | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | gstreamer through libsoup | 19:16 |
| bencoh | hmmkay | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | and libsoup through gnutls | 19:16 |
| bencoh | souphttpsrc? | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | and for the fun to be full, newer gnutls wants newer glib2-0 :) | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | GstHttpSrc iirc | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | anyway, we can't stay on 2.24 forever | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | so, if somebody wants to help, call me :) | 19:22 |
| bencoh | I'm actually quite clueless regarding glib upgrade :/ | 19:23 |
| bencoh | I know quite a few projects need it, but ... newer releases really break ABI | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | what do you mean by saying clueless? | 19:24 |
| bencoh | I mean I dont really know what to do about it | 19:24 |
| freemangordon | yes I know ABI will be broken, but again - what are the options? | 19:24 |
| bencoh | how would we prevent closed-source core apps from breaking then? | 19:25 |
| * Sicelo would ike to help in non developer things (dunno about PR though) | 19:25 | |
| freemangordon | in short - we will have to manage to build it in SB, this is | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: well, I use "PR" when I talk about ton-devel stuff :) | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | *non-devel | 19:26 |
| bencoh | freemangordon: do you mean patching recent glib to preserve old ABI, or build new vanilla glib and ship with 2 versions? | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: we will either patch it, or do some LD_PRELOAD magic | 19:26 |
| bencoh | huhu, stop reading in my mind :D | 19:27 |
| Sicelo | then yes, ping me anytime | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: either ways we'll have to forward-port maemo-specific patches, but there are just a couple of them | 19:27 |
| bencoh | yeah I'm not too afraid about maemo-specific patches | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: the bigger problem will be with the dependencies, I wan't to try to avoid pulling half the debian (or ubuntu) packages in maemo, albeit it might become inevitable | 19:28 |
| bencoh | true | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | Sicelo: ok | 19:29 |
| bencoh | that's why I dont really wanna play with LD_PRELOAD /multiversioning | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: I did some job recently, then stopped | 19:29 |
| bencoh | tbh the real solution here would be to remove/replace closed stuff, but... | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | see https://github.com/community-ssu, gmp and nettle | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | gnutls needs those | 19:30 |
| bencoh | you know better than me that it'd take quite a looong time | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | well, but sooner we start... | 19:30 |
| freemangordon | if we don;t start it, count maemo dead in 2 years or sooner | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | well, it is already dead, but refuses to admit it :). But if it stays like that... | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | also, maybe it is not that bad idea to start pulling stuff from alive distros | 19:32 |
| bencoh | what about trying to build maemo "from scratch" as suggested by doc? | 19:34 |
| bencoh | ie start with a blob-free base, and progressively add stuff? | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | this is another task, separate from cssu | 19:35 |
| bencoh | both would meet at some point | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | in a distant future, maybe | 19:35 |
| bencoh | we cant upgrade any of the core libs without breaking everything | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | why everything? | 19:35 |
| bencoh | every blob | 19:36 |
| bencoh | well, not everything, but every glib-dependent blob | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | we can;t be sure unless we try. at least we will know what needs to be fixed | 19:36 |
| bencoh | ah, sure you could start by breaking it and try to mend it :) | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | do you see any other option? | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | glib maemo uses is how old? 7 years? | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | we need to break the eggs | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | unless I am missing somethign | 19:38 |
| bencoh | iirc you updated glib to some 5yo version | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | this is in cssu, yes | 19:39 |
| bencoh | but yeah, still freaking old | 19:39 |
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| bencoh | 'kay .... any n900 to sell in your region of the world? :) | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: you're in europe? | 19:40 |
| freemangordon | bencoh: you'd better ask on TMO | 19:42 |
| bencoh | I no longer live in europe but can still have it delivered there | 19:44 |
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| badcloud | bencoh: which slider app? | 21:47 |
| Sicelo | dunno the application, but https://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Answer_current_phone_call | 21:49 |
| Sicelo | (otoh if open keyboard to take call was to be implemented, i'd hope it would be not mandatory ... i personally don't like the idea so well. i understand it would help in borked TS situation maybe) | 21:51 |
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| badcloud | none of my installed menu apps are showing up in thumb testing, tried "killall hildon-status-menu" but nothing shows up except for "clocks, profile, connection and bt" | 22:35 |
| badcloud | any ideas? | 22:35 |
| Sicelo | reinstall them? | 22:36 |
| Sicelo | what are menu apps by the way? | 22:36 |
| badcloud | as-status,flashlight,fmtx,slide2answer,tweakr | 22:44 |
| badcloud | and the usual | 22:44 |
| Sicelo | reinstall them .. or check /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/status_area_load_applet.desktop | 22:46 |
| Sicelo | i mean .. /usr/share/applications/hildon-status-menu/ | 22:46 |
| badcloud | checked, they're all there | 22:49 |
| Sicelo | borked system :-) | 22:52 |
| Sicelo | reboot? | 22:52 |
| badcloud | I'll try | 23:04 |
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| badcloud | Sicelo: I removed maemo-statusmenu-fmtx, rebooted, reinstalled, killall hildon-status-menu, still no new menu item | 23:50 |
| badcloud | everything looks fine in /etc/hildon-desktop/status-menu.plugins | 23:52 |
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