| merlin1991 | freemangordon: imported | 00:00 |
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| jonwil | I will be testing connui-statusbar-internet soon :) | 00:03 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: it is cssu-devel, I made a couple of more fixes | 00:03 |
| jonwil | yes I saw your fixes | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: thanks | 00:04 |
| jonwil | good that its in cssu-devel now | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | I installed it on my device, so far so goos | 00:04 |
| freemangordon | *good | 00:04 |
| jonwil | great | 00:04 |
| * merlin1991 needs to write a systemd generator for all the apt repos on his server | 00:05 | |
| jonwil | btw I found http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/bme-replacement/ and am using that version of hald-addon-bme-dev for building MCE | 00:05 |
| jonwil | figuring its the most recent one that exists unless Pali has one more recent that isn't released | 00:05 |
| Pali | jonwil: what you need? | 00:06 |
| jonwil | Would be good if you could put your bme replacement repos on github somewhere | 00:06 |
| jonwil | just so we have copies | 00:06 |
| jonwil | of the latest code | 00:06 |
| jonwil | merlin1991 was going to put it at https://github.com/maemo-foss but decided not to since he wasn't sure his tree was the latest code | 00:09 |
| Pali | jonwil: https://github.com/pali/hald-addon-bme | 00:10 |
| Pali | or maybe put it into community-ssu repo? | 00:10 |
| Pali | s/repo/group/ | 00:10 |
| jonwil | whatever works for you | 00:10 |
| jonwil | Its just good to have a copy of the repo available | 00:11 |
| Pali | freemangordon, merlin1991: what do you think? put all rx51-bme-replacement git repos to community-ssu github group? | 00:11 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: mind to announce connui-inet on cssu-devel thread? too late here and too tired to do it | 00:12 |
| jonwil | got a link to the thread? | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | Pali: unless it becomes a part of cssu, I don;t see a reason to put it there | 00:12 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84292&page=47&highlight=cssu-devel | 00:13 |
| Pali | freemangordon: at least -dev files from bme replacment are needed for compiling mce | 00:13 |
| freemangordon | hmm, ok then | 00:13 |
| Pali | but maybe it does not make sense to push repos into community-ssu | 00:14 |
| Pali | how to create project group on github? | 00:14 |
| jonwil | posted in the thread | 00:15 |
| freemangordon | Pali: if there is a package in cssu (there is), then it makes sense to me to push the repo there | 00:16 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: BTW there *is* wifi signal strength meter, but you need to open statusbar menu :) | 00:18 |
| jonwil | didn't know that... | 00:18 |
| jonwil | If a package under community-ssu has a dependency on another package then that package should also be in community-ssu | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | :nod: | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | unless it is in the SDK repo | 00:19 |
| jonwil | yes | 00:19 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: would you put sppex in cssu-testing? please... | 00:23 |
| freemangordon | *speex | 00:24 |
| jonwil | amyhow it looks like the hald-addon-bme at https://github.com/pali/hald-addon-bme and the one at http://maemo.merlin1991.at/cssu/bme-replacement/ are the same so I do in fact have the latest hald-addon-bme-dev package available :) | 00:27 |
| Pali | jonwil: bme-replacment packages should be last version in repo | 00:27 |
| jonwil | great | 00:27 |
| freemangordon | Pali: anyway, lets move it to cssu repo on github | 00:29 |
| Pali | ok | 00:30 |
| jonwil | I wonder if there is a way to compare the package versions of packages in cssu-devel and those on github and see which packages are on github but not cssu-devel (or are newer versions on github) | 00:34 |
| jonwil | we should definatly put hald-addon-bme-dev into cssu-devel so that someone doing apt-get source mce gets the right bits | 00:35 |
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| jonwil | guess there is no way to check that short of manually reading the changelogs of all the CSSU git repos... | 00:40 |
| merlin1991 | jonwil: pali has a script for that ... | 00:47 |
| Pali | yes I have a script | 00:47 |
| jonwil | Can I see this script? :O) | 00:48 |
| jonwil | :) | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-systemui-modechange/blob/master/osso-systemui-modechange.c#L6 :) | 00:48 |
| jonwil | yeah I copied stuff from osso-systemui-somethingelse | 00:49 |
| jonwil | as a base | 00:49 |
| Pali | jonwil: https://github.com/community-ssu/cssu-state | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | no problem, but put your name there :) | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: also in https://github.com/community-ssu/osso-systemui-modechange/blob/master/debian/copyright | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | I'll put it in cssu-devel once you fix those | 00:50 |
| jonwil | Fixed both instances | 00:52 |
| jonwil | The date in "copyright" is probably wrong though but so what :) | 00:52 |
| jonwil | wait missed one | 00:52 |
| jonwil | ok, there | 00:52 |
| jonwil | fixed the instances of your name in that package :) | 00:53 |
| freemangordon | :) | 00:53 |
| jonwil | the latest versions of osso-syhstemui-dev, osso-systemui-alarm, osso-systemui-tklock and osso-systemui-powerkeymenu should also go into cssu-devel | 00:55 |
| jonwil | oh and the latest version of libconnui-dev needs to be there too for connui-internet | 00:55 |
| jonwil | heck, just run the script from pali to see what's missing :) | 00:57 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: to put speex into -testing I need to rebuild a .changes file | 00:58 |
| merlin1991 | probably find the time todo that on the weekend | 00:58 |
| jonwil | pali: How do I run cssu-state? What do I pass as parameters? | 01:00 |
| jonwil | I ran it and it did some stuff but printed no output | 01:01 |
| Pali | jonwil: no args --> show state for: "git" "devel" "testing" "git-stable" "stable" version | 01:01 |
| Pali | non empty first arg --> show state for: "git" "devel" "testing" "git-thumb" "thumb" version | 01:02 |
| Pali | and you ned to wait cca 5 minutes | 01:02 |
| jonwil | it stopped doing stuff after a few seconds | 01:02 |
| Pali | because it download lot of files from github, compare it | 01:02 |
| jonwil | so its possible one of the commands inside didn't do what it should | 01:02 |
| Pali | it call wget in sequents | 01:03 |
| Pali | and also you need to have dpkg | 01:03 |
| Pali | for dpkg --compare-versions call | 01:03 |
| jonwil | I have dpkg | 01:03 |
| jonwil | I am running it inside scratchbox in my dev vm | 01:04 |
| Pali | it does not work? | 01:04 |
| Pali | any error message? | 01:04 |
| jonwil | oh ok, I see the problem. wget https is broken in this particular install for some stupid certificate related reason | 01:04 |
| jonwil | Going to add the command to say "I dont care about the certs, just connect anyway" | 01:04 |
| merlin1991 | well I'm pretty sure the certs inside sb are way out of touch with todays reality | 01:05 |
| jonwil | even the certs in this dev vm would be horridly out of date | 01:05 |
| jonwil | ok, now its working | 01:08 |
| Pali | jonwil: will wget --no-check-certificate work? | 01:10 |
| jonwil | yes that is working | 01:10 |
| jonwil | I edited the .sh file to add that | 01:11 |
| jonwil | its now doing a lot more work than it did before | 01:11 |
| jonwil | so I assume its working | 01:11 |
| Pali | ok, then I'm going to push this change | 01:11 |
| Pali | just wait for finishing and let me know | 01:11 |
| jonwil | ok, do that :) | 01:11 |
| jonwil | ok | 01:11 |
| jonwil | ok, it worked, now to run it again and redirect the output to a file for easier reading :) | 01:17 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: ok | 01:19 |
| jonwil | looks like hald-addon-bme is still missing from cssu :) | 01:28 |
| jonwil | cssu repos | 01:28 |
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| jonwil | pali: Can you put hald-addon-bme in cssu repos? | 01:46 |
| Pali | jonwil: no, because it needs bme replacment | 01:48 |
| jonwil | I mean cssu git | 01:48 |
| Pali | hald-addon-bme is already in bme replacment repo | 01:48 |
| jonwil | I mean https://github.com/community-ssu | 01:49 |
| jonwil | not cssu .deb repos | 01:49 |
| Pali | to community-ssu on github? | 01:49 |
| jonwil | yes that | 01:49 |
| Pali | it is alreeady there | 01:49 |
| jonwil | I dont see it | 01:49 |
| Pali | or not? | 01:49 |
| Pali | hm... wait | 01:49 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: another package to be imported in cssu-devel :) | 01:51 |
| Pali | jonwil: https://github.com/community-ssu/hald-addon-bme | 01:52 |
| jonwil | great | 01:52 |
| jonwil | ok, so in going over the status output, I see 4 packages that are in cssu-testing but not cssu-devel (which seems strange), some packages not in cssu-devel that maybe should be there and some packages that are in cssu-devel but not the latest version that maybe should be updated | 01:54 |
| jonwil | but I will leave the decisions as to what should be in -devel to the maintainers of -devel :) | 01:55 |
| merlin1991 | jonwil: #1 is not so strange, think old cssu packages pre --devel times | 01:55 |
| jonwil | ok | 01:55 |
| jonwil | well the 4 packages in -testing but not -devel are evolution-data-server, libsysinfo-dev, mp-fremantle-community-pr and rtcom-eventlogger-async fyi | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | also for some packages I did bump debian/changelog when putting them into -testing for various reasons | 01:56 |
| merlin1991 | well the mp-... ofc is not in -devel :D | 01:57 |
| jonwil | yeah obviously | 01:57 |
| merlin1991 | sysinfo-dev and eventlogger-async are from pre -devel times | 01:57 |
| merlin1991 | and I think evolution-data-server got tested on tmo | 01:57 |
| jonwil | ok, makes sense | 01:57 |
| jonwil | should any of the following packages be added to cssu-devel? | 02:06 |
| jonwil | hald-addon-bme-dev,hildon-im-vkbrenderer3,hildon-input-method-plugins,hildon-status-bar-usb,libcal,libconnui-dev,libgtkadi,location-supl-fix,omap3430-dsp,osso-systemui-modechange,rtcom-accounts-plugin-jabber,sharing-service-facebook | 02:06 |
| jonwil | libconnui-dev definatly should be | 02:07 |
| jonwil | osos-systemui-modechange probably | 02:07 |
| jonwil | no idea on the others though | 02:07 |
| jonwil | wait hald-addon-bme-dev no, its in the bme repo already | 02:07 |
| jonwil | and these are the packages that are out-of-date in -devel relative to git | 02:09 |
| jonwil | clock-ui,community-ssu-enabler,connui-internet,curl,feedservice-plugin-fb-common,ke-recv,libdevlock-dev,libhildonfm,matchbox-window-manager-2,osso-systemui-alarm,osso-systemui-dev,osso-systemui-powerkeymenu,osso-systemui-tklock,profiled,status-menu-applet-profiles,tracker,vte | 02:09 |
| jonwil | I shall now let the maintainers of cssu-devel figure out which of those need to go into -devel and which dont :) | 02:10 |
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| merlin1991 | -devel has no "maintainer" it's just some devs with push access | 03:04 |
| merlin1991 | I can add you too | 03:04 |
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| jonwil | well I dont know for sure which packages should be in -devel and which shouldn't be | 03:49 |
| jonwil | so i dont want to put things in there that dont belong | 03:49 |
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| jonwil | my god openssl takes forever to compile... | 04:10 |
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| jonwil | bah, its STILL compiling :( | 04:29 |
| jonwil | most likely its all those testcases and things that take so long | 04:29 |
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| jonwil | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1486997#post1486997 | 07:59 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: the files still hang in cssu-devel incomming directory | 08:24 |
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| freemangordon | jonwil: why is eapd so big? any idea? | 09:22 |
| jonwil | probably inefficient (all that C++) and also its doing a lot of different WiFi security things | 09:22 |
| freemangordon | can't we replace it with wpa_supplicant? | 09:24 |
| jonwil | Its not that simple, it talks to a bunch of stuff and a bunch of stuff talks to it | 09:25 |
| jonwil | I never got far enough in reverse engineering it to find out everything it does | 09:25 |
| freemangordon | vid dbus? | 09:25 |
| freemangordon | *via | 09:25 |
| jonwil | via dbus yes but also other things like gconf keys | 09:25 |
| freemangordon | that should be relatively easy to recover and implement | 09:26 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: hmm, there is no need to reinvent the wheel https://www.google.bg/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CCcQFjAAahUKEwiDmrml0uTIAhWK8RQKHcADAPk&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cncmods.net%2Ffiles%2Fdbus%2Feap-dbus.h&usg=AFQjCNE7VHd09OZdNhBuXU-3F9TSUVcIrQ | 09:29 |
| freemangordon | I'd bet we should be able to wrap wpa_supplicant (if there is no exported API) and to reimplement eapd | 09:32 |
| jonwil | yeah the dbus stuff I figured out most of, its the gconf keys that are the problem | 09:34 |
| jonwil | eapd touches gconf keys and then other stuff needs to get the stuff that eapd put there | 09:34 |
| jonwil | oh and I created eap-dbus.h so I know all about it | 09:34 |
| jonwil | well I didn't create it but I edited it and put it up there | 09:34 |
| freemangordon | hmm? "@author Janne Ylalehto <janne.ylalehto@nokia.com>" | 09:34 |
| freemangordon | oh :) | 09:35 |
| jonwil | I forgot where it came from until I opened it and saw :) | 09:35 |
| freemangordon | ok, wpa_supplicant build in SB | 09:45 |
| freemangordon | the latest one, from git | 09:45 |
| freemangordon | ph, Pali is one of the maintainers of extras-devel wpa_supplicant :) | 09:49 |
| freemangordon | *oh | 09:49 |
| freemangordon | jonwil: ^^^ | 09:50 |
| freemangordon | I guess we're lucky then | 09:50 |
| Sicelo | eapd .. i support idea :) | 10:05 |
| Sicelo | i can be a beta tester for anything eapd/wpa_supplicant related. | 10:08 |
| freemangordon | we'll have to RE icd2 aiui | 10:10 |
| freemangordon | or not? | 10:10 |
| freemangordon | anyway, gotta run | 10:10 |
| Sicelo | i just know when using wpa_supplicant, maemo programs don't "see" the connection. you need to use "dummy network" interface. only pidgin has issues with that. all others are happy with dummy interface | 10:12 |
| bencoh | how comes pidgin isn't happy with "dummy network" ? | 10:13 |
| Sicelo | wish i knew | 10:14 |
| Sicelo | you have to disable accounts first. only then it works | 10:14 |
| Sicelo | some features of wlancond will be needed if we go wpa_supplicant, especially PSM. i'm currently doing it on interface initialization using iwconfig. wlancond changes the power saving dynamically | 10:19 |
| jonwil | in addition to osso-wlan-security (aka eapd) we will also possibly need to worry about libicd-network-eap, and libicd-network-wps | 10:37 |
| jonwil | we may also need to care about connui-conndlgs-wlan and conui-iapsettings-wlan | 10:38 |
| jonwil | ok, that's got that finished (at last) | 10:38 |
| jonwil | I have cleaned up my N900 and removed some crap I didn't need and then reinstalled self-built packages of all the stuff in community-ssu I want to run on my phone including a self-built copy of microb-engine (the building of which wasn't as painful as I thought it would be) | 10:40 |
| jonwil | plus the latest openssl 0.9.8zf | 10:40 |
| jonwil | and the latest maemosec stuff for the latest root certificate sets | 10:40 |
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| bencoh | jonwil: hmmm, last time I tried I didnt manage to build microb-engine in my sb vm :/ | 10:48 |
| bencoh | strange errors everywhere | 10:48 |
| jonwil | It build just fine | 10:49 |
| jonwil | and I can log into my bank so everything is working (including all the security stuff) | 10:49 |
| jonwil | I could be wrong but I think GPS locking is now faster too (so something I installed must have affected that) | 10:50 |
| bencoh | hmm | 10:50 |
| bencoh | maybe just a missing certificate? which supl server do you use? | 10:50 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: microb-engine builds just fine in SB | 10:52 |
| bencoh | yeah, I guess it's just me | 10:53 |
| bencoh | freemangordon_: would you pastebin the output of dpkg -l in sb (fremantle_armel, not linaro/4.7) when you have some time? | 10:54 |
| jonwil | bencoh: I can do that for my copy of SB if that helps | 10:55 |
| jonwil | which is based on the Maemo dev VM from Nokia | 10:55 |
| bencoh | jonwil: that'd be great :) | 10:56 |
| bencoh | (I'm concerned about "which autoconf/automake variant is installed" and stuff like that) | 10:57 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: http://pastebin.com/ktEcEsTN | 10:57 |
| bencoh | thx | 10:57 |
| freemangordon_ | expires in an hour | 10:57 |
| bencoh | gonna curl that :) | 10:58 |
| jonwil | I will compare that pastebin to mine and see whats different (for interests sake) | 10:59 |
| jonwil | ok, looks like its not much interesting, just some packages where fg has cssu version installed and I have stock | 11:03 |
| jonwil | and some -dbg packages I have that fg doesn't have | 11:03 |
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| bencoh | mine differs a bit (autotools things) | 11:06 |
| jonwil | in any case I cant see any packages freemangordon has that I dont have and want | 11:09 |
| jonwil | I have a lot of packages installed that freemangordon doesn't have | 11:12 |
| bencoh | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: autoconf2.13 automake1.7 | 11:21 |
| bencoh | I wonder how you can build microb-engine | 11:21 |
| freemangordon_ | bencoh: just install those, what is the problem? | 11:32 |
| bencoh | no problem with installing it, it's just that it doesnt show on your dpkg -l :) | 11:34 |
| jonwil | wow, installing the cssu status-area-applet-battery was a good idea, it gives you much more useful info than the stock widget does | 11:50 |
| jonwil | I commend Pali for his work on status-area-applet-battery | 12:06 |
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| freemangordon_ | Pali: hi! what do you think about replacing eapd with wpa_supplicant? | 12:32 |
| Pali | freemangordon_: do you know how to do it? | 12:32 |
| freemangordon_ | we can reimplement eapd dbus and gconf interfaces | 12:33 |
| freemangordon_ | to call wpa_supplicant | 12:33 |
| Pali | it is not easy as you think... | 12:33 |
| Pali | wpa supplicant does not support hooks | 12:34 |
| freemangordon_ | I don;t think it is easy :) | 12:34 |
| freemangordon_ | hooks? what kind of? | 12:34 |
| Pali | so first you need to modify wpa supplicant | 12:34 |
| Pali | get back events, when wpa supplicant change state etc | 12:34 |
| freemangordon_ | could you provide an example of such a hook, so /me to understand | 12:34 |
| Pali | wpa supplicant connected to AP | 12:35 |
| Pali | EAP auth finished | 12:35 |
| freemangordon_ | how does NetworkManager do it? | 12:35 |
| Pali | EAP auth failed because of wrong password | 12:35 |
| Pali | EAP auth failed because of unsupported configuration | 12:35 |
| Pali | and more EAP reasons | 12:36 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, how nm does it? | 12:36 |
| Pali | networmanager map every error message to wrong password | 12:36 |
| Pali | and ask you enter it again | 12:36 |
| Pali | even if error is different as wrong password | 12:36 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, wpa_supplicant has dbus api, I guess it will be easy to signal over the dbus with the correct error code | 12:37 |
| freemangordon_ | if it is not already there | 12:37 |
| freemangordon_ | Pali: https://w1.fi/cgit/hostap/tree/wpa_supplicant/dbus/dbus_old.h | 12:38 |
| Pali | dbus api does not provide all information | 12:39 |
| freemangordon_ | there is also dbus_new.h :) | 12:39 |
| Pali | both | 12:39 |
| freemangordon_ | you think it will be very hard to extend it to provide whatever needed? | 12:40 |
| Pali | two years ago I planned to write my own software as replacement for network manager | 12:40 |
| Pali | and I stopped it because wpa supplicant was not good to write WPA and EAP stuff correctly | 12:40 |
| freemangordon_ | well, I guess it developed for the last 2 years | 12:42 |
| bencoh | oh, by te way | 12:42 |
| bencoh | jonwil: http://abicheck.sourceforge.net/ | 12:42 |
| bencoh | might help you :) | 12:42 |
| freemangordon_ | Pali: do you have any other idea for eapd replacement? | 12:42 |
| Pali | no, reason why I did not finished my SW | 12:43 |
| Pali | wpa supplicant is probably the best solution from all existing | 12:43 |
| freemangordon_ | also, we don't want to replace icd2, but eapd :) | 12:43 |
| Pali | does not matter | 12:43 |
| Pali | icd2 is another piece of broken SW | 12:43 |
| jonwil | replacing eapd with wpa_supplicant isn't that hard if we can deal with the dbus and gconf stuff eapd does | 12:44 |
| freemangordon_ | BTW, I don;t see what is the problem with wpa_supplicant not providing enough information. Who uses that missing info and what kind it is? | 12:44 |
| freemangordon_ | also, I don;t believe wpa_supplicant does not provide enough information to distinguish the error reasonss | 12:45 |
| freemangordon_ | dbus api that is | 12:46 |
| Pali | wpa supplicant is also used for choosing and connecting to wifi networks | 12:46 |
| Pali | but this functionality is probably implemented in icd2 | 12:46 |
| Pali | also scanning for wifi networks is in wpa supplicant | 12:46 |
| Pali | so first you need to remove that code from icd2 | 12:47 |
| freemangordon_ | Pali: but I think we can just strip that functionality | 12:47 |
| Pali | and let wpa supplicant do that job | 12:47 |
| kerio | yea fuck icd2 | 12:47 |
| freemangordon_ | we miss the UI replacement | 12:47 |
| freemangordon_ | but yes, we can do that as well | 12:47 |
| Pali | in that case I would suggest to use eapd | 12:47 |
| freemangordon_ | and we'll kill 2 closed blobs at once | 12:48 |
| Pali | basically we should use full wpa supplicant | 12:48 |
| Pali | otherwise I do not see any reason to try hack it into maemo | 12:48 |
| freemangordon_ | what problems do you expect if we choose that? | 12:49 |
| Pali | roaming support | 12:50 |
| freemangordon_ | (whatever it is) | 12:50 |
| Pali | and similar stuff under WPA together with EAP | 12:50 |
| Pali | wpa supplicant should be in scanning state | 12:50 |
| Pali | when it manage wifi network fully | 12:50 |
| jonwil | The packages that should be potential targets for replacement here are: | 12:51 |
| jonwil | libicd-network-eap | 12:51 |
| jonwil | libicd-network-ipv4 (maybe, not sure what that does) | 12:51 |
| jonwil | libicd-network-wlan (maybe) | 12:51 |
| jonwil | libicd-network-wps | 12:51 |
| jonwil | osso-wlan-security | 12:51 |
| jonwil | osso-wlan (maybe, its open source though) | 12:51 |
| Pali | libicd-network-ipv6 too | 12:51 |
| jonwil | that isn't shipped on a stock install | 12:51 |
| Pali | yes, it is in diablo or fremantle extras | 12:52 |
| jonwil | As for UI we have connui-conndlgs-wlan and connui-iapsettings-wlan to deal with | 12:52 |
| jonwil | replace, clone or otherwise deal with | 12:52 |
| jonwil | icd2-network-wlan-config comes into this too (although that's a non-binary package) | 12:53 |
| Pali | now if you are opening question about killing icd2 (+all plugins)... do you want to look at my SW for managing networks? | 12:53 |
| jonwil | I am not suggesting we replace icd2, just all the wlan stuff | 12:53 |
| jonwil | Might hit some of this wlan stuff in IDA to see what its interface is | 12:54 |
| freemangordon_ | doesn't Jolla use wpa_supplicant? | 13:50 |
| Pali | probably yes, together with connman | 14:36 |
| freemangordon_ | I guess we should be able to reuse it on maemo | 14:38 |
| jonwil | FYI, replacing all of icd2 instead of just the WiFi bits will be a lot more work | 15:08 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: please import .debs in cssu-devel/incomming | 21:42 |
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| jonwil | hi | 23:12 |
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