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| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: cssu-devel *IS* testing-testing | 00:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | when you think so | 00:46 |
| freemangordon | it is not broken by definition, just not for ordinary users. whatever it means these days (ordinary users) | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | definition of -devel been "for packaging testing" | 00:47 |
| freemangordon | honestly, noone uploads stuff in -devel if it is not aimed for -testing | 00:47 |
| freemangordon | exactly | 00:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOT supposed to ever provide packages to users | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | yep | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only to peer devels maybe who want to fix bugs and cooperate on development | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | the point is that stuff here is not "broken by definition" | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | aah, no, not only devels | 00:48 |
| freemangordon | testers are welcome too | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | of course, since as soon as it's not, it's supposed to not be on -devel | 00:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | we by ALL MEANS need to avoid creating yet another extras-devel mess | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | see, if we were/are 10 devels, then it would have been for devels only | 00:49 |
| freemangordon | but we are not | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I promise you I will do my best to make that never ever happen | 00:50 |
| freemangordon | but yeah, I guess we talk for one and the same thing | 00:50 |
| freemangordon | just with a different wording | 00:50 |
| freemangordon | BTW I have to make a statement :) | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | though actually I stopped bothering a few months ago, I can't take care about CSSU anymore | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I guess I can't take care about maemo anymore | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too much hostility and too much other stuff on my plate | 00:52 |
| freemangordon | I will *NOT* write a single line of code or backport a patch or whatever in CSSU until I see there are active maintainers who actually give a shit to release updates | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm out | 00:53 |
| sixwheeledbeast | freemangordon: I see what you meant earlier now. | 00:56 |
| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: I am really sorry I have to make that statement, but honestly, what is the point of pushing stuff in -devel which never sees the light of the day. | 01:00 |
| sixwheeledbeast | I agree, I wouldn't like you to see to waste your time either. We all have lots to do. | 01:01 |
| FIQ | uhhuh | 01:02 |
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| freemangordon | sixwheeledbeast: it is not about if I have something todo or not. It is about that I want to see what I do reaching the lusers | 01:17 |
| okias | hmm, it would be great if maemo got living ecosystem | 01:18 |
| * freemangordon pukes | 01:18 | |
| freemangordon | ecosystem ?!? | 01:18 |
| okias | yes (I hope it's correct term) | 01:19 |
| freemangordon | sure it is, but it still makes me wanna puke | 01:20 |
| okias | I don't get it | 01:21 |
| dos1 | well, there's probably a nice ecosystem of microorganisms in puke | 01:22 |
| okias | :D | 01:22 |
| freemangordon | okias: "ecosystem" is what large corprs use as a term to describe the "vendor lock in" | 01:23 |
| freemangordon | aiui | 01:23 |
| okias | I mean it in way "living people around it, new apps, new development" | 01:23 |
| okias | not like "some kind of maintanance mode 4ever" | 01:24 |
| FIQ | lol dos1 | 01:24 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: i'm a luser, and i use -devel! | 01:37 |
| freemangordon | kerio: so you are the one | 01:41 |
| freemangordon | the luser one :) | 01:41 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Please keep the Maemo community up and running and continue to release software updates for the N900 via the CSSU. This also goes for porting Maemo/Hildon to the neo900 project! Thank you for all your hard work!<< | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first donation to my Paypal this year iirc. 10USD which I have no scruple to spend for recreational purposes now | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-) | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | many thanks to the donor! | 02:55 |
| RST38h | Doc: Switching to Android? =) | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (those of you who already search for the torch and pitchfork: I will book it against the expense for the scratchbox.org domain for this year, which i had to pay despite I asked HiFo to take over) | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: hm?? | 02:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: I'm not planing to switch to Android | 03:28 |
| FIQ | RST38h, did you ever update the xchat build on n900? | 03:31 |
| FIQ | there was this crash vulnerability from a crafted string | 03:31 |
| FIQ | in n900's version | 03:31 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05, how much was scratchbox.org? | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 11EUR iirc | 03:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: the vulnerability got fixed | 03:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | afaik | 03:34 |
| FIQ | DocScrutinizer05, but not in the n900 build | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, in N900 build | 03:34 |
| FIQ | at least not last time I checked | 03:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 03:34 |
| FIQ | which was a couple of months ago | 03:34 |
| FIQ | I don't have the bad string handy | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [CTCP] Received CTCP-VERSION reply from DocScrutinizer51: xchat 2.8.6. | 03:35 |
| FIQ | but I managed to consistently crash xchat | 03:35 |
| FIQ | back then | 03:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | mybe you didn't update? | 03:35 |
| FIQ | mine is 2.8.6... | 03:36 |
| FIQ | I can try dig my logs for it | 03:36 |
| FIQ | and look into it | 03:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dang, pastebin refuses to accept pastes | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so here it goes, sorry for spamming | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy xchat | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Installed: 2.8.6-maemo18 | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Version table: | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | *** 2.8.6-maemo18 0 | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 100 /var/lib/dpkg/status | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2.8.6-maemo15 0 | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 2.8.6-maemo14 0 | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.3/free Packages | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/clean-N900xchat-scrollback-from-rogue-string.sh 21-Jan-2012 13:31 ||| xchatFremantle Extras-devel free armelPackage importedSystem2011-12-02 14:42 UTC ( http://maemo.org/packages/view/xchat/ ) seems to be the update I recall | 03:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RST38h: you actually should know best whether or not this issue git fixed by you (I think yes) and where the fixed version supposed to be | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/git/got/ | 03:56 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: RST38h: you actually should know best whether or not this issue got fixed by you (I think yes) and where the fixed version supposed to be | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm | 03:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FIQ: maybe I'm completely mistaken | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IroN900:~# ll /opt/maemo/usr/bin/xchat | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 611408 2010-11-14 21:34 /opt/maemo/usr/bin/xchat | 03:58 |
| FIQ | 2010... | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, but then... I think the fix actually been in a lib | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and that lib prolly dynamically linked | 03:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I even seem to remember I been somehow involved into that, back when | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might be a ticket I created on that, with suggested patch etc | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | can't recall details | 04:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | too fresh for my alzheimer, I only recall stuff from last millenium | 04:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | Libpango1.0 sounds strangely familiar | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-01-21.log.html#t2012-01-21T01:30:03 | 04:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-01-21.log.html#t2012-01-21T11:03:27 | 04:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | FSCK! https://code.google.com/p/xchat-wdk/issues/detail?id=132#c15 404! | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-01-21.log.html#t2012-01-21T12:25:55 | 04:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-01-21.log.html#t2012-01-21T14:38:04 | 04:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2012-01-21.log.html#t2012-01-21T16:05:05 | 04:25 |
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| merlin1991 | freemangordon: I'm going to get into the stuff this week! | 04:28 |
| merlin1991 | so far I've got my beloved n900 with -testing on it back alive, now I'm going to have a look at the various gitorous repos (and -devel) and will compare what is out there | 04:30 |
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| jonwil | hi | 04:34 |
| merlin1991 | hey jonwil | 04:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | relevant: http://en.qi-hardware.com/irclogs/qi-hardware_2012-01-21.log.html#t13:06 | 04:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hey jonwil!! long time no see! | 04:39 |
| jonwil | been thinking about openssl and all the bugs that have shown up lately, see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=93296&page=2 | 04:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmmmm http://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2012/02/01/9 | 04:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: yeah, somebody should look into that | 04:49 |
| jonwil | I suspect the number of cases where we have closed packages that would be broken as a result of upgrading to 0.9.8za is much smaller than it looks | 04:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 04:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the guys fixing openssl are not boneheads per se :-) | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if they can find a way to keep ABI compatible, they for sure will do | 04:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for any ABI break, you MUST use a new .so-name | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~2119 | 04:54 |
| infobot | The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED", "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119. | 04:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's how dll stuff is supposed to get handled on unix | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | update up a lib never breaks stuff | 04:55 |
| jonwil | but it isn't always done that way unfortunately | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, there are idiots out there. EVEN among lib developers ;-) | 04:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lickily odds are none of them among openssl maintainers | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luckily even | 04:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | openssl is highly mission critical, nobody would accept maintainers with no clue messing up stuff for everybody using *nix on this planet | 04:57 |
| jonwil | the number of closed packages using openssl isn't as big as I thought it would be | 04:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the fix would be more devastating than the vulnerability it been caused by | 04:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I mean, *every* *nix system using openssl lib in mission critical programs. A bug/mishap resulting in a libssl update breaking stuff would be the mega-disaster for all IT running in this solar system | 05:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | instant collapse of complete internet | 05:01 |
| jonwil | I do wonder if anyone got any further with figuring out how to replace the essential closed-source packages for the Neo900/FPTF stuff | 05:02 |
| jonwil | i.e. the ones that need to be replaced | 05:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, I just a few hours ago tried to talk freemangordon into finally starting to try and build a freEmantle from FOSS and see what's missing to make a working system, then push all this into a git repo so others can checkout and see what to do | 05:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-06-09 Mon 01:05:11] <DocScrutinizer05> I thougth since freemangordon already has a working kernel 3.1x for N900, it woukd be naturally if _he_ would try http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1420525#post1420525 and then check in all that stuff into any conevnient repo under maybe "cssu-n900" or "neo900-n900" or "freemantle-rx51" or whatever | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-06-09 Mon 01:06:56] <DocScrutinizer05> Note Please: the thing doesn't even need to produce anything that works by whatever metrics, it just needs to provide the infra others can base on to carry on | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | [2014-06-09 Mon 01:09:52] <DocScrutinizer05> when somebody approaches me ans asks me "I want to help on freemantle! what shoukd I do?" (this happened several times already!) then I need to be able to answer something like "git checkout freemantle-n900 and see what's missing" - it doesn't help to tell that gal/guy "/join #maemo-ssu and ask freemangordon please!" | 05:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: ^^^ from #neo900 , you're welcome to /join ! ;-) | 05:07 |
| jonwil | http://wiki.maemo.org/Porting/Closed_Packages contains a list of the packages that still need to be replaced (rather than being able to be used as-is) | 05:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | jonwil: thanks! :-) updated http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1372710#post1372710 | 05:13 |
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| jonwil | btw has there been any further hardware decisions made (i.e. exactly which hardware neo900 will use)? | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err, we constantly do such decisions, and sometimes revert them later on | 05:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | most recent thing we seem to have agreed upon: TiWi5 module (WLAN, BT, FM) | 05:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this "decision" started at http://projects.goldelico.com/p/neo900/issues/546/#ic1610 and yesterday we had a "looks good" chat | 05:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that's actually a question ideally asked in #neo900 ;-) | 05:20 |
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