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| freemangordon | Gear_: backup/restore should do the job for you | 01:54 |
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| Gear_ | what's backup/restore | 12:01 |
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| Gear_ | or where is the software to do backup/restore | 12:24 |
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| Gear_ | hi I need to flash a device back to resh cssu | 16:28 |
| Gear_ | fresh | 16:28 |
| Gear_ | some of the links on the "perfect setup" page don't go anywhere | 16:28 |
| Gear_ | I'm wondering where to get the n900 flasher from | 16:29 |
| Gear_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup#Introduction | 16:29 |
| Gear_ | this, most of the links are broken now | 16:29 |
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| Gear_ | I need a fresh device with all the described fakes and hacks so flash and other shit works | 16:33 |
| Gear_ | can someone provide me with some links please? the instructions are good, the links for the images to flash aren't there | 16:34 |
| silviof | ~nokiabinaries | 16:41 |
| infobot | i heard nokiabinaries is at http://repository.maemo.org/dists/maemo5.0/4bc37c7c77ebe90177c050b805a8dc79/nokia-binaries/ | 16:41 |
| silviof | ~pr131 | 16:41 |
| infobot | i heard combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ ) | 16:41 |
| silviof | some more links needed? | 16:42 |
| silviof | ~flasher | 16:42 |
| infobot | [flasher] at http://www.jedge.com/n810/flasher/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz (also .exe!), or http://www.chakra-project.org/ccr/packages.php?ID=5027 or generally http://www.google.com/search?q=maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2.tar.gz. HARMattan(N9): https://aur.archlinux.org/packages/fl/flasher-harmattan/flasher-harmattan.tar.gz, or -- list of filenames/md5sums: http://pastebin.com/sYKdNJSH, or http://galif.eu/nokia/ | 16:42 |
| Gear_ | I am using windows to do this | 16:43 |
| silviof | Sorry - windows is out of my sight | 16:44 |
| Gear_ | I can only really do this from windows | 16:44 |
| Gear_ | I have a puppy linux 7" netbook that's got a raspi cobbled to it, and I REALLY can't do it from that | 16:45 |
| silviof | why not? | 16:45 |
| * silviof doesnt know puppylinux | 16:45 | |
| Gear_ | because it's too dedicated to it's own crap, and the... puppylinux is like 120mb | 16:46 |
| Gear_ | I just can't | 16:46 |
| * silviof doesnt know windows too | 16:46 | |
| Gear_ | use that little thing | 16:46 |
| Gear_ | to do any of this | 16:46 |
| silviof | okay - and if you use a virtualbox or livecd? | 16:46 |
| Gear_ | no I can't use those either, this thing is too underpowered | 16:46 |
| Gear_ | I'm on a netbook right now and I have to flash a couple of devices | 16:47 |
| silviof | ah - the puppy runs on a raspery? | 16:47 |
| Gear_ | the puppy runs on an original first ever netbook but that thing is doing it's own shit | 16:47 |
| Gear_ | I shouldn't have mentioned it because it's not an option | 16:47 |
| silviof | and theway with virtualbox or livecd on you windown? | 16:48 |
| Gear_ | this netbook I'm currently on isn't powerful enough for virtualbox | 16:48 |
| Gear_ | the last time I did this it was doable with windows compatible software | 16:48 |
| Gear_ | I'm on XP on this piece of crap but I have to get a couple of phones flashed and totally working | 16:48 |
| Gear_ | using that "perfect setup" instructions | 16:49 |
| silviof | hmm you only need the flasher and I read something with exe in ~flasher | 16:49 |
| Gear_ | http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_The_Perfect_Setup#Introduction | 16:49 |
| Gear_ | I need two phones with this | 16:49 |
| Gear_ | I only need the flasher? which image do I use | 16:50 |
| Gear_ | is there n900 specific software I can use | 16:51 |
| Gear_ | that flasher is for an n810 | 16:51 |
| silviof | Thats okay | 16:51 |
| silviof | it does well | 16:51 |
| * silviof has only testet it for linux | 16:52 | |
| silviof | look at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware it describe the images | 16:52 |
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| Gear_ | I want stable cssu and kernel power | 16:53 |
| Gear_ | http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php | 16:54 |
| Gear_ | doesn't exist | 16:54 |
| silviof | than, flash pr131, after that install stable cssu and than woop to kernel power | 16:54 |
| Gear_ | flash it with what? | 16:54 |
| Gear_ | and where do I find pr131 | 16:55 |
| silviof | ~pr131 | 16:55 |
| infobot | well, combined is the rootfs fiasco image of maemo. For N900 latest (PR1.3.1) see http://nds2.fds-fire.nokia.com/fdp/interface/FiRe/2011/9/--FID--A0A22MVWFVFAM/--LID--FiRe1317015685654/RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin (or http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/fiasco+co/ ) | 16:55 |
| Gear_ | will this flash rootfs and everything | 16:55 |
| silviof | read the wiki page | 16:55 |
| Gear_ | basically resetting the device so I can follow all instructions | 16:55 |
| Gear_ | of that perfect setup | 16:55 |
| Gear_ | I am, the flasher link doesn't exist anymore | 17:00 |
| silviof | I see the flasher.exe (if you mean that binary) | 17:01 |
| Gear_ | I have the .bin | 17:01 |
| silviof | what why? | 17:02 |
| silviof | which bin? | 17:02 |
| silviof | what is the name of the bin file? | 17:03 |
| Gear_ | combined, that link you just gave | 17:13 |
| Gear_ | I'm messing with batteries and stuff | 17:14 |
| Gear_ | RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin | 17:17 |
| Gear_ | this will do the whole phone? | 17:17 |
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| Gear_ | the device I'm on has rolo | 17:32 |
| Gear_ | I mean backupmenu | 17:33 |
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| Gear_ | this is retarded | 17:52 |
| Gear_ | it's not working. I just want to flash the crap out of it | 17:52 |
| Gear_ | pr1.31 | 17:52 |
| Gear_ | erase EVERYTHING | 17:52 |
| Gear_ | maemo flasher isn't doing it | 17:52 |
| Gear_ | the old nokia software updater is updating something | 18:02 |
| Gear_ | but it looks like par1.38.1 | 18:02 |
| Gear_ | pr | 18:02 |
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| Gear_ | can the "perfect setup" be done without a sim card in the phone | 18:38 |
| Gear_ | help please? | 18:40 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Gear_: This is a lot of "noise" for the ssu channel. | 18:41 |
| Gear_ | I realise | 18:42 |
| Gear_ | I can't speak in the maemo channel | 18:42 |
| Gear_ | can you please undo that | 18:42 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Yes, perfect setup wiki page instructions can be done without sim with wifi | 18:42 |
| Gear_ | thanks I'll try to follow all of that | 18:42 |
| Gear_ | will the nokia pc suite backup all my personal settings? I don't know any other way of doing a fresh install and keeping my messages phone logs calendar and the important stuff | 18:43 |
| sixwheeledbeast | follow steps 1 to 5. you will need a uSD card for swap on sd | 18:43 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | please take it to #maemo, it's pretty OT in this channel | 18:43 |
| Gear_ | please unban me so that I can? | 18:43 |
| Gear_ | did you check your messages with your other nick, I apologised and asked for this | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | you made it on my ignore list | 18:47 |
| Gear_ | ok then I apologise and will keep on topic, please unban me | 18:47 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Also note disclaimer on the top of said wiki page. I have never used pc suite. Most of what you want can be backed up with maemo's stock backup application | 18:47 |
| Gear_ | I'll do that too, thanks | 18:47 |
| Gear_ | wait "most" ? | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I won't. You accused me of rogue things based on nothing. | 18:48 |
| Gear_ | you won't accept my apology? | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | your damage done to my integrity is permanent, so will be ban | 18:49 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | and ignore | 18:49 |
| Gear_ | how can a stranger possibly damage your "integrity" | 18:50 |
| Gear_ | ok, I have to ask questions here then. | 18:50 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | go ahead, ban for OT pending | 18:50 |
| Gear_ | unban me from the other channel so that I can stay on topic please | 18:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if you use the backup app you will see what it backs up, selectable via checkboxes. | 18:51 |
| * sixwheeledbeast is afk | 18:51 | |
| Gear_ | should I purge all unnecessary apps before installing cssu | 18:55 |
| Gear_ | it goes against the order of the "perfect setup" instructions and I have to do this first phone right, I have 3 more to do | 18:56 |
| Gear_ | docscrutinizer: it was a private message | 19:08 |
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| Gear_ | you were the only one who publically posted it | 19:09 |
| Gear_ | so you "damaged" your own "integrity" | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | which doesn't help your case | 19:09 |
| Gear_ | ok tell me what would | 19:10 |
| Gear_ | I've apologised twice | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | I've banned you twice | 19:10 |
| Gear_ | are you mature enough to accept two apologies | 19:10 |
| Gear_ | how about three, I also promised to stay on topic | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | sorry | 19:11 |
| Gear_ | I'm not interested in anything but the software | 19:11 |
| Gear_ | please unban to prevent off topic discussion in THIS channel | 19:12 |
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| Gear_ | pretty please, with cherries on top, unban me from #maemo because that is the channel for discussion of maemo | 19:16 |
| sixwheeledbeast | "perfect setup" is instructed from a clean freshly flashed system. | 19:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | from how I read it anyway. | 19:17 |
| Gear_ | I just did that | 19:17 |
| Gear_ | lsat time cssu came up as an update | 19:17 |
| Gear_ | this time it doesn't | 19:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | cssu will never come up as an update on vanilla, you have to install the CSSU installer from wiki page first. | 19:18 |
| Gear_ | I can't get into root for some reason | 19:21 |
| Gear_ | the other phone was set up about 2 years ago and I forgot everything that was done | 19:22 |
| Gear_ | it's physically falling apart and I need to set up a few phones with the perfect setup then get omweather and some other stuff working | 19:22 |
| Gear_ | then the damaged one can be used as a tablet for testing things | 19:23 |
| Gear_ | can someone please just unban me from #maemo because doc is too paranoid about some neo900 thing that I don't even care about | 19:26 |
| thedead1440 | Gear_: he is the chan admin of #maemo along with i think teotwaki and maybe one more. continuing to spite him with things like "<Gear_> are you mature enough to accept two apologies" won't do you any favours though... | 19:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thedead1440: I just wonder if http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Coprolalia is a ban-able mental disaorder or just an annoyance we all have to live with | 19:44 |
| thedead1440 | hahaha | 19:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway one rant-ban-appologize-unban cycle doesn't establish a rule yet | 19:47 |
| thedead1440 | i think once it comes to disorders we have to live with them instead of banning them :p | 19:47 |
| thedead1440 | but what's the tolerance level; that's another thing to ponder about | 19:47 |
| Gear_ | establish more rules so less people come here | 19:48 |
| Gear_ | great | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a second ban for same issue, only 60 min after first ban got lifted, it something you hardly can fix with a second excuse and beg-your-pardon | 19:48 |
| Gear_ | rules based around your fragile ego | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | massive insults in query don't help either | 19:49 |
| Gear_ | PLEASE UNBAN, I WILL STICK TO THE TOPIC | 19:49 |
| merlin1991 | Gear_: I'd just drop it, we don't ban for #maemo stuff in here and by now you're just throwing more logs on the fire | 19:49 |
| Gear_ | WHICH IS N900 | 19:50 |
| Gear_ | I'd like to get weather and other stuff working so I can use it as my main and only phone, and also get these other 3 working for other people | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got him on /ignore, so please some other chanop take care about any needed +q in here | 19:50 |
| Gear_ | this is the ssu channel which is supposed to be for devs? | 19:50 |
| Gear_ | welcome to the land of mental problems | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry my client diesn't allow differentiated fine grained /ignore | 19:51 |
| thedead1440 | i was just going to say: "doc give him one last chance and if he is a nuisance ban him permanently" but Gear_ you seem more of a prick than i gave you credit for | 19:52 |
| Gear_ | it has been two hours and this shit is boring now | 19:52 |
| merlin1991 | well then I suggest you leave | 19:52 |
| thedead1440 | +1 | 19:52 |
| Gear_ | I would like to get these phones working | 19:53 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: +o merlin1991 | 19:53 | |
| thedead1440 | nobody is obliged to help you | 19:53 |
| thedead1440 | enjoy your ride on #n900 | 19:53 |
| *** ChanServ sets mode: -o merlin1991 | 19:53 | |
| merlin1991 | come on guys I can give op to myself when I need it | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 19:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wasn't sure if you're aware. Also a *hint* | 19:54 |
| Gear_ | hint: get psychiatric help | 19:55 |
| thedead1440 | sigh...here we go again... | 19:56 |
| Gear_ | looking at what's going on in #maemo, due to a sort of resurgence in new people just now buying an n900 shouldn't the wiki page be updated | 20:06 |
| Gear_ | it's not exactly clear instructions to get these things working from vanilla | 20:06 |
| Gear_ | which isn't going to help if you want more users to bother with these devices | 20:08 |
| merlin1991 | who says we want to? | 20:12 |
| merlin1991 | the n900 is way past eol | 20:12 |
| merlin1991 | nokia removed all available flashing tools and images, there are close to no replacementparts available and most of the ones you can get are some sort of scam offer from china | 20:12 |
| Gear_ | I just downloaded a nokia flashing tool and used it | 20:20 |
| Gear_ | and downloaded nokia pc suite which recognised the phone and I did a backup | 20:21 |
| Gear_ | the question is why would you not want more users with these | 20:21 |
| Gear_ | the last xp update was a notification of eol | 20:22 |
| Gear_ | millions will still use it | 20:23 |
| Gear_ | probably billions | 20:23 |
| Gear_ | my question is why would you want LESS n900 users | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | only because millions do, doesn't make it a good idea | 20:28 |
| Gear_ | it's a terrible idea and directly relates to why you'd actually want less open source phone users | 20:30 |
| Gear_ | shut them all out and it becomes a stupid little dying club for (some old and unstable) enthusiasts | 20:31 |
| * merlin1991 gets a little private laugh regarding old | 20:40 | |
| merlin1991 | also my point is, that the n900 is past its time, ie the neo900 or maybe a new openmoko device or anything else opensource is a great thing, just the availability of hardwarecomponents for the n900 makes it not sensible jumping on the train now | 20:41 |
| ShadowJK | Well it'd hopefully transfer to neo900 | 21:11 |
| okias | Hey guys, btw. what is lastest SDK available for n900? As I recall, there was some old un-updatedable ubuntu, is there some effort create some new "development environment" ? | 21:32 |
| silviof | okias: I have played with vagrant and sdk, but the sdk self is THE scratchbox installation for n900 development | 21:52 |
| silviof | okias: https://github.com/silvio/vagrant-n900-sdk | 21:53 |
| silviof | okias: currently i will do the same for a docker installation, but again with the same scratchbox | 21:53 |
| silviof | s/i will do/i work on/ | 21:54 |
| infobot | silviof meant: okias: currently i work on the same for a docker installation, but again with the same scratchbox | 21:54 |
| okias | hmm, I'd be really interested in seeing some script, which will prepare everything. Not to have solve small issues, then I could adapt it to Gentoo | 21:55 |
| okias | but I need "recepie" | 21:55 |
| okias | how to "simply" do it | 21:55 |
| okias | then I'll try package some new sw etc. | 21:56 |
| silviof | okias: hmm look into the link above. there is a bootstrap-script in misc folder. That is the recipe for a debian based machine. | 21:56 |
| okias | silviof: so, what will be output of that script? will be something missing, or am I ready to do work? | 21:57 |
| silviof | hmm, you know what vagrant is? | 21:57 |
| silviof | after startup and some time of wait, you have a virtual machine (ubuntu based) with a development environment | 21:58 |
| okias | no :D | 21:59 |
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| okias | in fact, I remember I installed some ubuntu image, clicked on desktop, installed some headers into some scratchbox, compiled new application, uploaded package | 22:00 |
| okias | I didn't much go deep into it | 22:00 |
| okias | silviof: so, this vagrant give me what I had on ubuntu image? | 22:03 |
| silviof | okias: yep | 22:03 |
| silviof | nothing more, but not less | 22:03 |
| okias | silviof: sounds, good :) | 22:04 |
| silviof | docker is a little bit better for that, you have not the virtual-overhead. The processes run in linux-containers (lxc). | 22:06 |
| silviof | but thats is a little bit more work to do. | 22:06 |
| okias | silviof: anyway, I could try use your script for gentoo. I finally want just one package (ebuild) instalation. All out-of-box :P | 22:21 |
| silviof | okias: cool - please share your work if you have some work done. | 22:23 |
| okias | silviof: I doing now xx things simuntaneously, so it's crazy, but I'll try add one :D | 22:24 |
| okias | silviof: anyway, we need "group together work" | 22:24 |
| silviof | yes | 22:25 |
| okias | because N900 has pretty small userbase these days | 22:25 |
| okias | and that's bad for survival | 22:25 |
| okias | and dev env is good start | 22:25 |
| silviof | Yeah let grow some hope of/for neo900 ^^ | 22:25 |
| okias | yes! | 22:26 |
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| Gear_ | [05:45]merlin1991also my point is, that the n900 is past its time, ie the neo900 or maybe a new openmoko device or anything else opensource is a great thing, just the availability of hardwarecomponents for the n900 makes it not sensible jumping on the train now | 23:15 |
| Gear_ | [06:15]ShadowJKWell it'd hopefully transfer to neo900 | 23:15 |
| Gear_ | don't want newbies playing with your toys | 23:16 |
| Gear_ | or finding the working ones before this neo900 thing never happens | 23:17 |
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