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| okias | Hey guys, are you interested in kdbus for n900? | 12:38 |
| okias | it work pretty well on desktop (even in development phase), so I'd expect, it could work good on N900 :) | 12:38 |
| okias | and save some memory, performance etc. etc. | 12:39 |
| M4rtinK | okias: well, as we are stuck with a 2.6.28 Kernel due to binary drivers | 12:40 |
| M4rtinK | okias: not likely we can make use of this any time soon | 12:40 |
| okias | M4rtinK: well, support for N900 closing to almost complete with 3.14 | 12:40 |
| okias | (haha 3.14.. well, it's damn long development time) | 12:41 |
| M4rtinK | and IIRC, it is not even merged yet with Lennart & co doing some final tweaks | 12:41 |
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| M4rtinK | also not sure how it is integrated with the userspace DBUS daemon part yet | 12:42 |
| M4rtinK | but yeah, I think KDBUS could be great for mobile devices | 12:42 |
| okias | M4rtinK: I know, I keep patches for actual kernel "0 | 12:42 |
| okias | * :) | 12:42 |
| M4rtinK | both the performance | 12:42 |
| M4rtinK | and being able to send boatloads of stuff over it | 12:43 |
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| okias | /keep/creating/ | 12:43 |
| okias | second thing - multipath tcp support for n900 could be nice (also good with 3.12+) | 12:44 |
| okias | and last thing (related to kdbus too)... switch to systemd | 12:44 |
| okias | anyway, debian will move for it probably too | 12:45 |
| ymartin59 | Hello. I am installing scratchbox manually on Debian (http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation) and am stuck on step "nokia-binaries nokia-apps". Where can I get these packages for FREMANTLE_X86 ? | 12:45 |
| M4rtinK | still, IMHO quite a lot of work | 12:45 |
| M4rtinK | if you don't want to break all the current stuff | 12:46 |
| okias | yes, that's right | 12:46 |
| okias | of course... I waiting for moment, when N900 will be usable (phone+wifi) with upstream kernel (3.14 + few patches) and then I can help with that | 12:46 |
| M4rtinK | ymartin59: maybe here ? http://skeiron.org/tablets-dev/ | 12:47 |
| okias | switch to systemd is pretty straightforward on desktops, so let's hope it'll be for n900 too | 12:47 |
| ymartin59 | M4rtinK: Thanks. Isn't there any APT community repository for them ? | 12:54 |
| M4rtinK | still, you would need to convert all the upstart init stuff to unit files | 12:54 |
| M4rtinK | not really straightforward | 12:55 |
| M4rtinK | ymartin59: IIRC, they should be mirrored somewhere | 12:56 |
| M4rtinK | ymartin59: not really sure where exactly though | 12:56 |
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| okias | M4rtinK: in my example 43 init services | 12:58 |
| okias | that's not too bad | 12:58 |
| okias | lol I opened on and I see... grep /etc/passwd... :D | 12:59 |
| M4rtinK | okias: sure, but what about all third party apps shipping init files | 12:59 |
| M4rtinK | okias: but yeah, probably somehow doable | 13:00 |
| okias | well, maintained third party used also in desktop has systemd init files | 13:00 |
| M4rtinK | ymartin59: see http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Installing_Maemo_5_SDK_using_Text-based_Installer | 13:00 |
| M4rtinK | 12.2) | 13:00 |
| okias | unmaintained... well, it's not that hard ;) in fact, almost all .service files has 3-10 lines | 13:00 |
| M4rtinK | ymartin59: there is a link to the SDK repo mirror | 13:01 |
| M4rtinK | ymartin59: also looks like the GUI SDK installer is broken | 13:01 |
| M4rtinK | ymartin59: but the text based on reportedly works | 13:01 |
| ymartin59 | M4rtinK: I am following http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#On_x86_and_x86_64_Debian-based_systems to know what happens... I am not fond on sh script for such installations. And "debian-etch" is out-of-date. hathor release is for debian-squeeze. | 13:03 |
| ymartin59 | M4rtinK: OK Found note with APT repository in "Text-based_Installer". | 13:08 |
| ymartin59 | For information, I am planning to port some applications to CSSU Thumb2. First will be KeepassX (1 and 2) | 13:12 |
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| luf | ymartin59: I don't know if you read logs but let's try to kontakt me about keepassx v2. | 17:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I really wonder who's going to switch a whole system from upstart to systemd just for the shits&whistles, considering there are quite a number of app packages in maemo-extras that come with their own initscripts | 21:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you better find another wind's name than particularly fremantle to name such lil fancy project | 21:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and we're for sure not talking about >>maintained third party used also in desktop has systemd init files<< here | 21:44 |
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| okias | DocScrutinizer05: anyway, most scripts can be written with few lines in .service | 23:06 |
| okias | DocScrutinizer05: there shouldn't be extra magic around it | 23:07 |
| okias | I was pretty paranoid about systemd too, until I switched (gentoo, default openrc) | 23:07 |
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