| DocScrutinizer05 | sounds good | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | they finally noticed how cmt_speech works | 00:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | at least whicj interface it's using | 00:02 |
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| dreamer | lo all. just did a reinstall of my n900, after cssu and powerkernel and such I installed the 'advanced power' application and now the backlight selector has disappeared from the status menu | 00:32 |
| dreamer | anyone have an idea where it could have gone? | 00:32 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | advanced power application? sounds like you better steer clear of it | 01:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, it's just a battery indicator | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it messed up your status bar settings I guess | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tricky stuff | 01:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66251 | 01:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you simply didn't scroll down the menu? | 01:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw what's backlight-selector? | 01:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dreamer: ^^^ | 01:43 |
| psycho_oreos | I was sort of wondering about that, could it be that simple backlight applet where one can tweak backlight brightness from the drop down menu and/or set backlight to be either permanently on or not. | 01:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | thought as much | 01:43 |
| psycho_oreos | In any case I'm pretty sure installing advanced power daemon (that battery monitor thingy) would restart hildon-ui and force a whole bunch of 'applets' to not get loaded. The best idea (imo) is to restart the device so that advanced power monitor daemon would work with the rest of the other hildon 'applets'. | 01:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I wonder if it simply has gone "off-screen" into row#6 of the menu | 01:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I got it in row#1, anything else is unbearable ;-D | 01:47 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm not sure but I'm sure I have had setup advanced power daemon in the past whereby it restarts hildon-ui and a whole bunch of little 'applets' fail to load (things like even the notable cpuload-applet go missing). | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I should get rid of the tweaks profile-button | 01:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, for sure you need a reboot after messing with status-bar or status-menu config | 01:49 |
| psycho_oreos | iinm, advanced power daemon monitor should stick in row one, it replaces that standard battery monitor with a user 'press-able' button along with more information about the battery life, etc. | 01:49 |
| psycho_oreos | *nods* | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, sounds plausible | 01:49 |
| psycho_oreos | Mine is messy as hell, I have a huge drop down list but I'm not particularly fussy about it. :D To each their own. | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | psycho_oreos: yeah (about advanced power) http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884348&postcount=8 | 01:52 |
| psycho_oreos | DocScrutinizer05, I guess that's one way to simplify things. I thought the advanced power monitor daemon was made by some other guy. In any case yeah the advanced power monitor daemon is on the top left, row #1, that simple backlight applet thingy is second last on bottom right. | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not here :-) | 01:56 |
| psycho_oreos | I also suppose that program MohammadAG made was to allow one to customise the list of applets from drop down menu. | 01:56 |
| psycho_oreos | Well yeah, seeing as how it's not part of cssu package. :D | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it's on row#1 right here | 01:57 |
| psycho_oreos | Ahh yeah on the picture. | 01:57 |
| psycho_oreos | I have that installed (even though it can be buggy as hell). | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | buggy? | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | simple brightness never failed for me | 01:59 |
| psycho_oreos | I don't know, it could just be me. I have on certain (or almost every) reboots, apmd shows grey battery bar (meaning battery is either not detected or something). I've had to restart apmd via killing it and letting it redetect the battery. | 01:59 |
| psycho_oreos | Nah, the advanced power monitor daemon. | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aaah | 02:00 |
| psycho_oreos | Simple backlight applet never fails me, apart from that instance when I installed some other applets (like say apmd) made it disappear but hey, that could almost be equated to user error. :D | 02:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, that's the idiocy about the exclusive opening of the sysnode, or rather the failure to do so, or whatever | 02:01 |
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| psycho_oreos | The apmd? I haven't dug far in (and with limited knowledge I'm restricted to "certain level") I thought it was just an issue with python or something. Though I've made an ugly hack to fix apmd, via a small bash script along with queen beecon widget. | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I never looked into apmd, but I guess it's the usual problem with bme and stuff exclusively opening some sysnode, and so other apps can't access it | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could of course also be related to python | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or you even got KP and that battery kernel module | 02:06 |
| psycho_oreos | *nods* plausible with sysnode stuff but I have to admit, it's really beyond my depth. I simply resorted to quick (and usually dirty) hacks and be done with it. | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's known to conflict with bme | 02:06 |
| psycho_oreos | Hmm I do have KP but not Pali's BME replacement. | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lsmod|grep bq27 | 02:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess | 02:07 |
| psycho_oreos | I can imagine if I were to have Pali's BME replacement along with apmd, it would no doubt make a huge mess. ;) figuratively speaking. | 02:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | dunno what apmd uses to acquire battery data | 02:08 |
| psycho_oreos | Hmm crap, and my main N900 is still getting it's battery charged. *sigh* I'll just make do with the other N900 on much older kp and potentially apmd. | 02:08 |
| psycho_oreos | I just ran that command on my other N900 and they have returned nothing. I'm guessing bq27 would no doubt be the BME replacement. | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wait, it's only the bq27xxx.ko module that does harm when bme starting after it | 02:10 |
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| psycho_oreos | Also thinking about it, bq27xx.ko module was probably available/included into kp50. My spare N900s are running on kp47. | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no, it's not exactly bme replacement, it's a deprecated and basically buggy kernel module that apps like apmd use to read out the bq27200 chip | 02:11 |
| psycho_oreos | Ahh. hmm. | 02:11 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | it's usually blacklisted since it makes bme fail when bme starts after that module got loaded -> reboot | 02:12 |
| psycho_oreos | Correction (on my part), I have kp49 not kp47 on spares. I've couldn't find bq27xx.ko but instead found bq27x00_battery.ko | 02:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | power monitor apps should never use that bq27-battery sysnode, they should either use hal or direct access to bq27200 via i2c, like bq27k-detail.sh does | 02:15 |
| psycho_oreos | I'm guessing that's probably where apmd fails, because it probably makes use of sysnode. I've dug into the python script awhile back, though yeah that's ages ago when I did that. | 02:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably apmd is broken in that it's using the bq27x00_battery/* sysnodes | 02:16 |
| psycho_oreos | Though wouldn't that be likely cause if say bq27x00_battery.ko is still loaded? I mean in my case bq27x00_battery.ko isn't loaded though it's available. | 02:21 |
| psycho_oreos | I just had a quick peek at some of the apmd python stuff, I couldn't quite make sense from out of it. | 02:22 |
| psycho_oreos | It doesn't appear to be apmd is making use of bq27x00.ko but I could also be wrong on that part. | 02:22 |
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| dreamer | DocScrutinizer05: er, the selector with 5 modes in the status menu. I used the 'advanced battery' indicator before and never gave issues | 08:37 |
| dreamer | I can't scroll down, there's just an empty spot where the backlight-applet used to be | 08:37 |
| dreamer | the advanced battery thing doesn't use any more space than before (if anything it uses the space more efficiently) | 08:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | does it look like the one in this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884348&postcount=8 (right, above "flashlight")? | 08:39 |
| dreamer | yes | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this is simple brightness applet | 08:41 |
| dreamer | or am I confused and is that a separate app? | 08:41 |
| dreamer | iirc it was there before I installed the power thingy | 08:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, most probably, when you installed "simple brightness applet" | 08:42 |
| dreamer | I thought it was a default applet | 08:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | dpkg -l| grep simple-brightness-applet | 08:43 |
| dreamer | but I guess I wasn't paying attention. I hadn't reinstalled in a looooohng tim | 08:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ii simple-brightness-applet 1.4-1 Simple brightness statusarea applet | 08:43 |
| dreamer | nope, don't have it. my bad | 08:44 |
| dreamer | I seriously thought it was there by default and it disappeared on me :P | 08:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | apt-get install simple-brightness-applet | 08:44 |
| dreamer | yes it's done :) | 08:45 |
| dreamer | thnx | 08:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yw | 08:45 |
| dreamer | I really needed a reflash too. my n900 is so much snappier now | 08:45 |
| dreamer | too bad I lost a whole lot of contacts. backup didn't work because of 'stale nfs' bullcrap that didn't resolve after fsck :/ | 08:46 |
| dreamer | but I have an older backup so not everything is lost | 08:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | restoring a lot of conversations will make it slow again | 08:47 |
| dreamer | ok, how is that? | 08:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ls -l /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db | 08:48 |
| dreamer | I don't have it | 08:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sqlite eating all your ram when conversations database too large | 08:48 |
| dreamer | like I said: I reflashed | 08:49 |
| dreamer | and backup didn't work | 08:49 |
| dreamer | damn, good to know | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | slows down everything | 08:49 |
| dreamer | then I'm pretty sure that 3 yrs of use caused that to happen | 08:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you must have a /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db | 08:49 |
| dreamer | well sure, but it's tiny now | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise conversations will blow chunks | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >1MB considered too large | 08:50 |
| dreamer | check | 08:50 |
| dreamer | I'll see what happens when I restore my old one | 08:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | use mc to browse the tarball of backup, it's relatively easy to locate, you'll know in advance how large it been | 08:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you can delete that file any time, and it will get re-created empty | 08:52 |
| dreamer | ok | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | delete, reboot hard | 08:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | to get rif of all call history and conversations | 08:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rid* | 08:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | 1 week ago a user had a 6MB db, suffered corruption of db, no more conversations showing | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no new SMS | 08:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also you might want to augment a new el-v1.db with a few stored procedures to add call duration. See: | 08:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~jrtools | 08:57 |
| infobot | jrtools is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools | 08:57 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | http://maemo.cloud-7.de/maemo5/patches_n_tools/eventsdb_calllog_triggers.sh | 08:58 |
| dreamer | damn, that backup is nearly a year old .. better than nothing | 09:04 |
| dreamer | will have lost maybe half a dozen contacts and changed details | 09:05 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 does a backup | 09:05 | |
| dreamer | hehe | 09:06 |
| dreamer | yeah at least 'once every season' would be good to do | 09:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the damn osso-backup isn't script-able via cmdline :-/ | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so no "cron" either | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no automatic backups | 09:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | insane | 09:11 |
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| FatPhil | ~last Pali | 13:00 |
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| jonwil | ~seen Pali | 13:04 |
| infobot | pali <~Pali@Maemo/community/contributor/Pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 13h 51m 46s ago, saying: 'so because of nokia...'. | 13:04 |
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| jonwil | timing... :P | 13:05 |
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| FatPhil | perfect timing indeed! | 13:10 |
| jonwil | Might dig into N900 GPS later, see if I can work out the dbus interfaces being used | 13:17 |
| Pali | jonwil: there is already plugin for gpsd | 13:18 |
| Pali | which using n900 modem via AF_PHONET | 13:18 |
| Pali | maybe you can look into this source code for RE GSP | 13:19 |
| Pali | search for file gps2.c (there should be link from maemo wiki) | 13:19 |
| jonwil | I have the info I need to reverse engineer things mostly | 13:19 |
| jonwil | I dont much need to care about what N900 does, just what the dbus interfaces are | 13:19 |
| jonwil | since someone will eventually be writing something compatible for Neo900 | 13:19 |
| Pali | ok, I just note that info how to get data from gps already exists... | 13:19 |
| jonwil | ok :) | 13:20 |
| jonwil | but yeah for Neo900 we need a drop-in replacement for N900 GPS bits that talk to new GPS modem | 13:20 |
| jonwil | whatever that ends up being :) | 13:20 |
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| FatPhil | DEAR ALL - USE FUCKING VERSION CONTROL | 13:52 |
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| psycho_oreos | signed by: <one_angry_maemo_owner> ... ;) | 15:05 |
| MohammadAG | thy dare mention errr, moi? | 15:07 |
| psycho_oreos | ay, it was meant to be a light hearted joke. No pun intended. | 15:08 |
| MohammadAG | hahaha no worries :) | 15:10 |
| * psycho_oreos is somehow reminded of this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KMU0tzLwhbE | 15:13 | |
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| troulouliou_dev | hi by installing cssu i won't loose my application installed from ovi ? | 16:18 |
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| psycho_oreos | Unlikely. | 17:01 |
| psycho_oreos | You are welcome, however to make use of backupmenu by robbiethe1st to backup your maemo setup completely prior to using CSSU updates. | 17:05 |
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| troulouliou_dev | psycho_oreos, yes done thanks | 17:21 |
| troulouliou_dev | when installing cssu testing i have the message "to update your device to this version you must use Nokia PC suite .." | 17:28 |
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| psycho_oreos | Something went wrong, I'm pretty sure the CSSU page on the wiki should explain how to fix that. | 18:10 |
| troulouliou_dev | psycho_oreos, yeah but i m facingthe worst case scenario here after upgrade | 18:15 |
| psycho_oreos | At this rate I'm also going to suggest you to use CSSU-Stable. CSSU-Testing may not be suitable considering the progress I've seen so far. | 18:15 |
| troulouliou_dev | i have the nokia boot screen | 18:15 |
| troulouliou_dev | then shutdown | 18:15 |
| * psycho_oreos sighs and itches head. | 18:16 | |
| psycho_oreos | It could just be low battery. | 18:16 |
| troulouliou_dev | i ave access to the boot backup menu but maemo 5 refuse to start | 18:16 |
| troulouliou_dev | no full battery as suggested | 18:17 |
| psycho_oreos | Then I guess you might be missing userland tools or something, maybe a good idea is to restore from the backup. | 18:17 |
| troulouliou_dev | psycho_oreos, yeah will do ; pwnie express can't be responsible for it i guess it is just a classic pr1.3 with additional git package and desktop? | 18:18 |
| psycho_oreos | troulouliou_dev, I have no idea what you did last to make your maemo setup unbootable. It could be literally anything. | 18:19 |
| troulouliou_dev | psycho_oreos, updated to cssu testing :) | 18:19 |
| troulouliou_dev | restoring atm | 18:19 |
| psycho_oreos | Did you even read the stuff I mentioned on the wiki? | 18:20 |
| troulouliou_dev | psycho_oreos, yes most of it :) | 18:20 |
| troulouliou_dev | psycho_oreos, why do you recommend stable over testing ? testing is almost not updated anymore ? | 18:22 |
| psycho_oreos | troulouliou_dev, no it's more like I'm doubting your skills. | 18:22 |
| troulouliou_dev | psycho_oreos, ha no got solid debian background :) i just abandonned my n900 for some times :) | 18:23 |
| psycho_oreos | troulouliou_dev, I was sensing the need for one to be hasty. | 18:25 |
| psycho_oreos | A more cautious person would for instance always read and google information if in doubt rather than taking on whatever someone else said straight up. | 18:26 |
| psycho_oreos | Rather a more patient person. | 18:26 |
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| troulouliou_dev | psycho_oreos, does the initrd or equivalent in n900 support cryptsetup at boot time for full phone encryption ? | 18:30 |
| psycho_oreos | troulouliou_dev, no idea, its not even related to CSSU. Though I do believe there has been a few people who have encrypted N900 fs. | 18:31 |
| psycho_oreos | Namely they would be on the forums for that regard. | 18:31 |
| freemangordon | FatPhil: hmm? what about version control? | 18:33 |
| FatPhil | USE IT!!!! | 18:46 |
| FatPhil | :-) | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | sure, but why the caps? someone didn't use it? :) | 18:46 |
| freemangordon | FatPhil: btw, did you have a chance to look at the patches in KP? all of them I mean | 18:47 |
| FatPhil | freemangordon: more than one person... | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | oh | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | that's bad | 18:48 |
| FatPhil | I did get most of the way through them | 18:48 |
| freemangordon | great | 18:48 |
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| FatPhil | freemangordon: focussing on MCE with jonwil for a few days | 20:59 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | \o/ | 23:45 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | FYI: the Option modules have built-in echo cancellation and background noise suppression, so we probably can just forget about that proprietary Nokia audio enhancement stuff on APE | 23:50 |
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