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| merlin1991 | fsckd dovecot config syntax changed | 00:18 |
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| merlin1991 | okay fixed friggin dovecot, now to reboot :D | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~wiki dovecot | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 01:02 |
| infobot | At http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dovecot (URL), Wikipedia explains: "{{wiktionary|dovecot}} 'Dovecot' may refer to: * Dovecot, Merseyside, an area of the City of Liverpool * Dovecot (software), an IMAP and POP software package * Dovecote, a building for pigeons or doves * Dovecote (disambiguation) " | 01:02 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: dovecot is an imap/pop3 server | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ;-) | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prooly nicer than cyrus | 01:04 |
| merlin1991 | still it's crazy, that setting up postfix was easier than dovecot | 01:04 |
| merlin1991 | (postfix being the smtpd bit in my setup) | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | cyrus reminds me on midgard, in a strange way | 01:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas my "sysop" decided that cyrus was the right mailserver for my box | 01:06 |
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| merlin1991 | server now reboots | 01:07 |
| * merlin1991 hopes for the best | 01:07 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the most amazing detail: I switched down mysql on my box and cyrus still delivers my mails | 01:08 |
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| merlin1991 | okay the quassel core should be finallly ready now | 01:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh, another mysql-nonsense | 01:20 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: I'm using a postgres backend :D | 01:22 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon, Pali: -devel and -thumb are reenabled | 01:23 |
| * merlin1991 just hopes he didn't forget any servicews | 01:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I see the rationela for both a mailserver and a irc bouncer to use SQL identical: ZILCH | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rationale | 01:23 |
| merlin1991 | the mailserver is using files though | 01:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not cyrus | 01:24 |
| merlin1991 | well *my* mailserver is using files | 01:24 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: nice | 01:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | waaaaait, was that quassel where the only reason to use mysql been the allegedly awesome text compression or avoiding overhead of sector/block alignment of small files or somesuch BS? | 01:29 |
| merlin1991 | quassel doesn't even support mysql | 01:33 |
| merlin1991 | and the argument is multiple attached sessions | 01:33 |
| merlin1991 | --> transactions | 01:33 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: how do you think, what are the chances to distrubute DSP codecs from harmattan via CSSU? | 14:10 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: who do you think we should ask? | 14:10 |
| freemangordon | TI? | 14:10 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: https://harmattan-bugs.nokia.com/show_bug.cgi?id=171 | 14:21 |
| povbot | Bug 171: browser removes trailing slash from urls | 14:21 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: please send a mail to TI (whatever it means) asking them to allow us to redistribute harmattan codecs on n900 | 14:21 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | hah, a true MCC request | 15:37 |
| Pali | merlin1991: when will be CSSU-T in repos? | 16:29 |
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| merlin1991 | Sc0rpius: quassel can run on sqlite, but the performance degrades after about 2 months | 18:56 |
| Sc0rpius | I guess. Sqlite files always grow and grow even if there is no data in them | 18:56 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: did you see the backscroll? | 20:30 |
| merlin1991 | yea, don't know who to contact, but I can bring it up in the next council meeting | 20:38 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: yep, I think it is time to include this in CSSU. If you approve ofc :P | 20:49 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: all the n950 codecs? | 21:05 |
| Pali | also patched fmtxd is on gitorious with prepared debian packaging | 21:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | patched fmtxd might turn user's device into something illegal. Not every user might appreciate this | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | only a theoretical consideration, but still | 22:55 |
| kerio | making it configurable could be neat | 22:55 |
| kerio | but it's not easily doable | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's as easy as all other optional alternative packages | 22:56 |
| kerio | no, i meant the binary | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooops, it's not optional, just plain alternative | 22:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | change the package names to fmtxd-cssu and fmtxd-original, make both of them "provide fmtxd", make mp-community-pr depend on fmtxd property instead of fmtxd package | 22:59 |
| kerio | HAM will take one at random | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my uneducated idea of how to handle it | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's why we specified that this needs a patched HAM, long ago | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas, this seems the inverse chicken-egg problem: nobody touches HAM and nobody ever provided a single POC alternative package | 23:01 |
| kerio | apt-get | 23:02 |
| kerio | >:D | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and every time I mention it, somebody comes up with "but why don't we simply.... <insert ruled out non-alternatives here, like additional repos and younameit>" | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, we mentioned that apt-get *can* already handle it, when we publicly discussed it here in this very channel, a year ago | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I think we also accepted worldclock as a first nice candidate for a POC implementation of a alternative package | 23:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas original author claimed he's unable to do the packaging, and left it to CSSU maintainers to do that | 23:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then estel kicked in and bickered and bitched about that decission until literally everybody got upset or annoyed to no end | 23:06 |
| kerio | where's estel, btw? | 23:06 |
| kerio | still banned? | 23:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you honestly wanna hear where I hope he is? | 23:07 |
| kerio | do i? | 23:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no | 23:07 |
| Pali | I think we already had discussion about fmtxd and decision was to create git repo on gitorious and include it to cssu | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | my concern still stands | 23:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | as a user (e.g. in france, or china) I wouldn't appreciate customs at airport demonstarting to me that I own a illegal device | 23:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | some authorities can be rather humorless regarding such regulations | 23:10 |
| merlin1991 | nope banlist is empty | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: NOT EMPTY, BUT STILL | 23:10 |
| merlin1991 | yeah | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oops capslock, | 23:10 |
| merlin1991 | 1 non-entry | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry | 23:10 |
| kerio | WHY ARE WE SHOUTING ALL OF A SUDDEN | 23:10 |
| kerio | DID SOMETHING HAPPEN | 23:10 |
| merlin1991 | basically empty | 23:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: YES, STH HAPPENED | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I HIT CAPSLOCK, with tab | 23:11 |
| kerio | WHY IS YOUR CAPSLOCK KEY STILL ENABLED? | 23:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good question | 23:11 |
| kerio | mine is another LCTRL | 23:12 |
| kerio | damn useful for emacs | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably because this kbd is better than the laptop kbd I had before, so I successfully ignored the problem here | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (regulations) we could continue speculations on why Nokia decided to ship no radio app with stock maemo. For a start it's good to know about taxes several countries ask for importing anything that has FM radio functionality. Several other states require each owner of a radio to pay taxes per month as well, and you may even get sued when they find you own a radio but don't pay the tax. | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, would you think every user would appreciate when CSSU would suddenly ship with mandatory FM radio app in mp-community-pr? | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ...just hypothetical, to make a point... | 23:19 |
| kerio | wait, fm radio? | 23:19 |
| kerio | we're talking about the modified fmtxd, aren't we | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and please nobody starts the "you're free to not use CSSU" argument! | 23:20 |
| Raimu | I put mute button on my capslock | 23:20 |
| Raimu | "If you feel the need to use capslock you probably need the volume turned down" | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yes, that's why I explained that I was just giving another example | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it's sufficiently related to fmtxd, but obvious enough that it's another dedicated case with similar side effects | 23:22 |
| kerio | anyway, i thought that the fmrx enabler was shipped in every geographical repo | 23:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | "maximum compatibility" not only means technical/API compatibility, it also includes legal/statutory compatibility | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: yes, but no *app* to use it | 23:24 |
| kerio | so? | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IANAL, but I suppose Nokia lawyers carefully checked what Nokia may and what it may not ship | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so? see above | 23:26 |
| kerio | "we could also ship a radio app, but we'd have to write it, and it would cost $amount $currency" "fuck that shit" | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tl;dr or what? | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | bullshit! | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's not how companies specify their product requirements | 23:27 |
| kerio | how's shipping the fmtx enabler different from shipping fmtx enabler and a crappy radio app? | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wut? | 23:27 |
| kerio | *fmrx enabler | 23:27 |
| kerio | :s | 23:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | IANAL | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | go to your lawyer and ask him, pay yourself for the answer you're asking for | 23:28 |
| kerio | we could ask rob bauer! | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | omg, no! he's patent lawyer | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he has no clue about import regulations | 23:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but my 2 cents are: Nokia never advertised any FMrx for N900, and it never shipped any N900 that could do FM radio ootb. So when it talks like a duck and walks like a duck... | 23:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | otherwise you'd have to deal with every electroncis educational building kit as if it were a FM radio | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since with sufficient work it can get turned into a FM radio | 23:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and quite obviously the TX regulations are quite different to the more monetary RX regulations | 23:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | TX is about security, first and foremost | 23:33 |
| kerio | heh, the law in italy regarding what has to pay the tv tax states "any device capable of receiving radio/tv signals" | 23:33 |
| kerio | a coat hanger fits that description, doesn't it | 23:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, does that include your video projector? your oscilloscope? | 23:34 |
| kerio | no, it was actually broader than that | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | well, in italy probably it does | 23:35 |
| kerio | any device that could be adapted to receive radio/tv signals | 23:35 |
| kerio | (computer with a tuner, for instance) | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | in italy a screwdriver is a lethal weapon | 23:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably a branch from a tree, broken off and flushed, is a lethat weapon | 23:36 |
| kerio | at some point, it becomes a wooden knife, surely | 23:36 |
| kerio | or maybe a wooden stiletto | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, just depends on local police chief | 23:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and if local police station's statistics of last 6 months were better or worse than those of neighbour village | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's italy | 23:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | almost like USA | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | where each sheriff *is* the law, in his district | 23:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, please don't gamble with legal properties of N900, in CSSU | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly, don't force illegal stuff onto users please! | 23:40 |
| kerio | btw, web browsers are illegal in kerioland | 23:40 |
| kerio | remove microb at once | 23:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | BS | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | removing microb makes N900 illegal in DocScrutinizer-land | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it always been a legal device so far, with a proper browser | 23:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, don't gamble with legal properies of N900 please! | 23:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: you just nailed microB to cssu fremantle forever, by your push | 23:43 |
| kerio | D: | 23:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | btw MCC officially supporting and promoting CSSU and not forbidding illegal fmtxd could be one of the very rage cases where users could actually *sue* MCC for something MCC did or did not | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | s/rage/rare/ | 23:47 |
| infobot | DocScrutinizer05 meant: btw MCC officially supporting and promoting CSSU and not forbidding illegal fmtxd could be one of the very rare cases where users could actually *sue* MCC for something MCC did or did not | 23:47 |
| kerio | is MCC even a legal entity one can sue? | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, you can sue the members of MCC | 23:47 |
| kerio | oic | 23:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and while for sure no user could sue another user for providing a hacked illegal fmtxd, you probably can sue MCC members for "officially" supporting and even forcing it on innocent users' devices | 23:49 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | guess whom the patent troll companies would sue when CSSU would ship the incriminated mp3-decoder libs or whatever | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably first line HiFo and not very much after that MCC/HFC | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | then the maintainers of CSSU and the sysops of maemo.org | 23:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and last not least the package maintainer | 23:57 |
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