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| freemangordon | Pali: seems your "protocol version" PA patch breaks something, this is what I get in syslog with it: | 08:47 |
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| freemangordon | Jan 10 22:26:32 Nokia-N900 pulseaudio[815]: client-ext.c: client-ext.c: Can't obtain command line | 08:47 |
| freemangordon | Jan 10 22:26:55 Nokia-N900 pulseaudio[815]: ratelimit.c: 2 events suppressed | 08:47 |
| Pali | freemangordon, note that I added support for syslog too | 08:48 |
| Pali | so in last version all syslog messages was discarted | 08:48 |
| freemangordon | luf: I added one more patch on top of yours (the one from ubuntu bugtracker) | 08:48 |
| Pali | can you add syslog patch to pulseaudio and try it with old version? | 08:48 |
| freemangordon | Pali: that might have been on puropse | 08:49 |
| freemangordon | *purpose | 08:49 |
| freemangordon | Pali: can't do it now, I'm in the office, don;t want to risk a bootloop my primary | 08:49 |
| Pali | ok | 08:50 |
| freemangordon | Pali: where did you enable that? which patch? | 08:52 |
| Pali | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/pulseaudio/commit/c90f16a20f8ada12d346d94a8cb847d0037715ed | 08:53 |
| Pali | onky last line | 08:53 |
| freemangordon | ok | 08:53 |
| Pali | --log-target=syslog | 08:53 |
| freemangordon | aah, I see, it should be that then | 08:53 |
| freemangordon | will test when possible | 08:54 |
| Pali | ok | 08:54 |
| freemangordon | Pali: BTW how battery applet calculates the remaining charge and bars? | 08:58 |
| Pali | when using BME or replacement, it send all data | 08:59 |
| freemangordon | as according to it now I hav 68% charge/974 mA/6 bars | 08:59 |
| freemangordon | I've disconnected from the charger 1.5 hours ago :D | 08:59 |
| Pali | do you use BME? | 09:00 |
| freemangordon | yes | 09:00 |
| Pali | so ask BME devs :D | 09:00 |
| Pali | it only show what BME send... | 09:00 |
| Pali | but you *should* see two times | 09:00 |
| freemangordon | I see | 09:00 |
| Pali | first is active and second is idle | 09:00 |
| freemangordon | 4 hours/4 days | 09:01 |
| Pali | in BME readme file is written that active time is about 2 hours... | 09:01 |
| Pali | idle time in BME readme file is missing... | 09:01 |
| freemangordon | which device is that? :D | 09:01 |
| freemangordon | 2 hours of active time | 09:01 |
| Pali | rx-51 | 09:01 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 09:01 |
| Pali | but on bme replacement I'm using two bq27 registers for time: MLTTE for idle | 09:02 |
| Pali | and some for active | 09:02 |
| Pali | (that which give average value) | 09:02 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I know that replacement is fine | 09:02 |
| Pali | and it reporting very similar times | 09:02 |
| Pali | 4-5 hours / 3-5 days | 09:03 |
| freemangordon | but wonder if it is a wise idea to put this in CSSU (now). | 09:03 |
| freemangordon | it will cause lots of fuss | 09:04 |
| freemangordon | Pali: BTW have in ming I have 1410 mAh battery | 09:04 |
| freemangordon | (or was it 1430) | 09:04 |
| kerio | freemangordon: i want that battery :( | 09:04 |
| freemangordon | kerio: kust buy one, all new BL5Js are 1403 | 09:05 |
| freemangordon | *1430 | 09:05 |
| freemangordon | I took that from an Asha | 09:05 |
| kerio | i'm waiting for a weird chinese battery to arrive, vi claims that it's 1600 | 09:05 |
| kerio | as in, he did multiple calibrations and it ended up there | 09:05 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I know | 09:05 |
| freemangordon | Pali: I have the feeling your applet shows one bar lower than stock, for the same data | 09:07 |
| Pali | do you trust chinese battery?? | 09:07 |
| Pali | I do not want to see exploding my phone... | 09:08 |
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| freemangordon | also stock applet shows red bar on batery low warning, yours way before that | 09:08 |
| Pali | freemangordon, bars are reported from BME | 09:08 |
| Pali | only % is calculated to rx51_battery if loded | 09:08 |
| Pali | *loaded | 09:09 |
| Pali | so this is maybe problem... | 09:09 |
| freemangordon | Pali: The value is reported by bme, yes, but it is the applet that is using it | 09:09 |
| freemangordon | aiui your applet shows red bar on battery.charge_level.current = 1 aiui | 09:10 |
| freemangordon | I guess stock does that on battery.charge_level.current = 0 | 09:10 |
| freemangordon | same for max, you (IMO correctly) show 6 bars on 68 persent load, but stock shows 7 bars(not verified though) | 09:11 |
| freemangordon | s/load/charge | 09:11 |
| freemangordon | luf: another patch should be done on top of "yours" in PA | 09:12 |
| freemangordon | luf: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/924416 | 09:12 |
| luf | freemangordon: I saw you already added ... | 09:12 |
| freemangordon | I did that and installed on my test device, seems like working | 09:13 |
| freemangordon | luf: where did you saw that? I didn;t push anything | 09:13 |
| freemangordon | (iirc) | 09:13 |
| luf | freemangordonluf: I added one more patch on top of yours (the one from ubuntu bugtracker) | 09:14 |
| freemangordon | aah, ok :) | 09:14 |
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| freemangordon | luf: I was not sure you've read it | 09:15 |
| freemangordon | however, do you want me to upload the debs? | 09:15 |
| luf | So may I push my changes into git? | 09:15 |
| freemangordon | luf: no | 09:15 |
| luf | So please give me the patch. I'll manage it. | 09:15 |
| freemangordon | the one on ubuntu does not apply cleanly on top of Nokia's | 09:15 |
| freemangordon | so i got flist.c from upstream | 09:16 |
| freemangordon | ok | 09:16 |
| luf | Please just upload the flist.c. | 09:16 |
| freemangordon | luf: BTW everything here is commited, just not pushed, what if I push in a new branc (devel or next or flist) | 09:17 |
| freemangordon | or just push in master | 09:17 |
| kerio | freemangordon: Pali's applet is... special | 09:17 |
| freemangordon | luf: I mean, why waste time, I everything is in place (the patch, changelog, everything) | 09:17 |
| luf | freemangordon: I did the patch (againist building trees) between libxml2 2.6 and 2.8 (around 200.000 lines so aprox 100.000 of changes). Do you still want it? | 09:18 |
| freemangordon | yep, upload it please, I'll try to find time to try t verify what has changed | 09:19 |
| luf | freemangordon: Ok. So let's manage it. Feel free to create new branch/git for merge request. | 09:19 |
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| freemangordon | luf: i'll push to master, ok? | 09:19 |
| freemangordon | (i forgot to branch before doing changes :( ) | 09:20 |
| rantom | Morning. | 09:20 |
| luf | Ok. I hope you splitted the config change for AudioSink from the rest :) | 09:21 |
| luf | rantom: Morning. | 09:21 |
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| freemangordon | luf: I just cloned master on gitorious and added 0206...patch | 09:22 |
| rantom | A bit curious. I updated to the latest stable release and there was a mention in tmo that modest, tinymail and maemo-security-certs were updated | 09:22 |
| freemangordon | luf: I didn;t use your source tarball (besides getting debian/changelog from it) | 09:22 |
| freemangordon | ok, going to push, you'll see, if something is not ok, we can always revert | 09:23 |
| rantom | However there's no closer report on what part they were updated. For example maemo-security-certs, if I'm not mistaken, was supposed to remove the TURKTRUST-certificate, but it is still listed under Settings | 09:23 |
| kerio | rantom: nope | 09:23 |
| kerio | rantom: CSSU has followed what mozilla and m$ have done | 09:23 |
| kerio | explicitly blacklist the two mistakenly-released intermediate CAs | 09:24 |
| luf | freemangordon: Ok. | 09:25 |
| rantom | So to summarize: there's three certificates for that company which two of them were faulty? | 09:25 |
| freemangordon | luf: pushed | 09:30 |
| freemangordon | rantom: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/maemo-security-certman/commit/0be038825a98dae2d80fd411a02cb4c86ed1b36a | 09:33 |
| rantom | freemangordon: Thanks, I just found that too :) | 09:33 |
| rantom | Makes sense. I just thought that it would be removed from the Settings but I was wrong, thanks | 09:34 |
| rantom | (As happened with DigiNotar, IIRC) | 09:34 |
| rantom | Oh and one more thing, that I'm not quite sure is it new or not (I've been jumping between Stable and Testing a bit so I might just be confused) | 09:36 |
| rantom | Was camera-ui removed from Stable? | 09:36 |
| kerio | rantom: nicocam was never added to stable | 09:37 |
| rantom | Oh, ok | 09:37 |
| luf | freemangordon: cssu-devel/ | 09:39 |
| luf | *? | 09:39 |
| rantom | Yep. Just double-checked and the nicocam was not shown in my other Stable N900 | 09:39 |
| rantom | Thanks for all the replies, cleared a lot for me | 09:39 |
| luf | freemangordon: you ahve to be crazy to read 6,5MB diff with +-150k rows | 09:40 |
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| luf | freemangordon: http://merlin1991.at/~luf/libxml2/source/libxml2_2.6_to_2.8.diff | 09:45 |
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| freemangordon | luf: do you have idea what amount of commits i've passed through while backporting DSP driver? ;) | 10:04 |
| freemangordon | luf: anyway cssu-devel sounds ok to me. just test it before uploading. | 10:05 |
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| luf | freemangordon: no idea. | 11:35 |
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| luf | freemangordon: BTW I see: dpkg-genchanges: warning: unknown information field `Breaks' | 11:36 |
| luf | Package: libpulse0; Breaks: pavucontrol (<< 0.9.8) | 11:37 |
| freemangordon | luf: yeah, saw it | 11:38 |
| freemangordon | but this is legacy from stock, so... | 11:38 |
| luf | freemangordon: why there is a name? | 11:40 |
| luf | I think it's useless in our version ... | 11:40 |
| luf | I want to drop the name ... | 11:42 |
| freemangordon | luf: what name? | 11:50 |
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| luf | struct pa_flist { char *name; | 11:51 |
| luf | It's just for storing unknown ... malloc + free in our version. | 11:51 |
| luf | pa_flist *pa_flist_new(unsigned size) { return pa_flist_new_with_name(size, "unknown"); } | 11:51 |
| luf | Do you agree with removing? I'll do it. | 11:52 |
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| luf | freemangordon: ^^^ ? | 12:06 |
| freemangordon | luf: so pa_flist_new_with_name is only used inside flist.c? | 12:20 |
| freemangordon | if that is the case, I'm pretty much ok | 12:20 |
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| freemangordon | luf: yeah, it seems it is used only for log/debug http://www.mail-archive.com/pulseaudio-discuss@mail.0pointer.de/msg08002.html | 12:23 |
| freemangordon | luf: remove it, we don't need to debug :D | 12:24 |
| ivgalvez | freemangordon are you removing any of those cpu-offender proprietary filters from pulseaudio? | 12:29 |
| freemangordon | ivgalvez: no | 12:29 |
| freemangordon | we can't | 12:29 |
| freemangordon | the speakers protection is burried somewhere there afaik | 12:30 |
| ivgalvez | from my memories I think there was some low-pass filter implemented in kernel space that could substitute the one in PA | 12:30 |
| freemangordon | ivgalvez: yep, there is | 12:30 |
| freemangordon | but afaik it is not widly tested. | 12:30 |
| merlin1991 | and we don't ship a kernel with it | 12:30 |
| freemangordon | ivgalvez: the other piece there is no way for us to remove is echo cancelation ;) | 12:31 |
| ivgalvez | that's worse | 12:31 |
| ivgalvez | merlin1991 I've always supported a kernel in Fremantle's CSSU as it's in Diablo's CSSU | 12:32 |
| ivgalvez | but anyway | 12:32 |
| merlin1991 | ivgalvez: but it's kernel first then pa fix ;) | 12:32 |
| merlin1991 | not the other way around | 12:32 |
| ivgalvez | yep | 12:32 |
| freemangordon | :D | 12:32 |
| ivgalvez | this afternoon in Council meeting, most of the discussion will be around infra | 12:33 |
| ivgalvez | if you are interested in participate | 12:33 |
| MrPingu_TUD | ivgalvez: Which channel? | 12:34 |
| ivgalvez | #maemo-meeting | 12:34 |
| * merlin1991 finally found the setting for not spinning down harddrives on batter (xfce), it's been driving him crazy when the whole system comes to a grinding halt waiting for the harddisk to get back to spee | 12:34 | |
| ivgalvez | every Friday at 19:00 UTC | 12:34 |
| merlin1991 | I'm ususally out, and read the backlog afterwards :D | 12:35 |
| MrPingu_TUD | I will have to, too ;p | 12:35 |
| MrPingu_TUD | I'm out, back to home again! | 12:37 |
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| freemangordon | ivgalvez: 19 UTC is a bit late for me, but I'll try to participate at least for a while | 12:38 |
| ivgalvez | I hope I could connect without problems, I might be on the move with my sloppy connection, but there's a lot to discuss | 12:44 |
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| luf | freemangordon: we need debug but it's used only in flist.c with "unknown" value. Removed :) | 12:54 |
| Pali | ivgalvez, I have question for meeting: what happened with community OBS? | 12:56 |
| luf | Pali: what is OBS? :) | 12:57 |
| Pali | opensuse build system | 12:57 |
| Pali | meego and mer have it | 12:57 |
| Pali | we have autobuilder... | 12:57 |
| merlin1991 | come on, don't diss our beloved autobuilder | 12:58 |
| Pali | also harmattan use it for community repos... | 12:58 |
| ivgalvez | Pali: I'm not up to date about OBS status | 12:59 |
| ivgalvez | Woody was more on it | 13:00 |
| Pali | so this is question for meeting :-) somebody maybe know... | 13:00 |
| ivgalvez | yes, noted | 13:00 |
| ivgalvez | hopefully we would be able to start a proper Harmattan community repo once we manage the repositories | 13:00 |
| ivgalvez | or we might need to call it Maemo 6 repo, as the Harmattan trademark seems more unlikely to be trasnferred to the foundation | 13:01 |
| luf | It seems patched PA is working ... | 13:07 |
| luf | New version uploaded to the http://merlin1991.at/~luf/pulseaudio/ | 13:07 |
| luf | Latest sources are on gitorious. | 13:08 |
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| luf | I uploaded patched PA into cssu-devel with notification on TMO. | 13:53 |
| freemangordon | luf: great, will test as soon as I have time | 14:06 |
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| luf | Does anybody remember the wiki page how to enable bluetooth (I think it's the page with dbus commands). I'm going to find it. | 14:28 |
| arcean | http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Bluetooth | 14:30 |
| luf | arcean: thanks. | 14:31 |
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| freemangordon | Pali: honestly, you should add 1 here https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/status-area-applet-battery.c#line384 | 16:47 |
| freemangordon | (to the reported value) | 16:47 |
| Pali | look here: https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-status-area-applet-battery/blobs/master/status-area-applet-battery.c#line425 | 16:48 |
| Pali | your change will be irrelevant | 16:48 |
| freemangordon | ooh, you use percentage | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | but thats bogus | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | we all know those values are incorrect | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | Pali: when on BME, at least keep the current behaviour for bars | 16:50 |
| Pali | ok, I will change it | 16:50 |
| Pali | now preparing n900 patches for 3.8 :-) | 16:50 |
| freemangordon | Pali: according to applet I have 2 bars remaining. Usually by that time of day I have at least 4 ;) | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | (with similar usage) | 16:51 |
| freemangordon | Pali: great | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | which devices? | 16:52 |
| luf | freemangordon: I have a patch for osso-gnomevfs-extra you requested ;) | 17:45 |
| freemangordon | luf: great, now I am happy :D | 17:54 |
| luf | freemangordon: so few and you're happy. Good :D | 18:02 |
| freemangordon | luf: whell, i am not an avid men :P | 18:04 |
| luf | freemangordon: do you agree with putting libhildonfm and osso-gnomevfs-extra into cssu-devel? | 18:28 |
| luf | freemangordon: I pushed the the osso-gnomevfs-extra patch to gitorious. | 18:30 |
| freemangordon | luf: yes, put them in -devel | 18:47 |
| freemangordon | i'll add thumb suport to -extra package | 18:47 |
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| luf | freemangordon: Do I forget add the thumb support? | 19:18 |
| luf | freemangordon: Hmm I forget. I'm preparing fix. | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | luf: as you wish, though is not a problem to me to add it in the branch | 19:19 |
| luf | freemangordon: added | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | luf: thanks | 19:23 |
| luf | You're welcome. I'm sorry I forget to check :( | 19:24 |
| luf | I'm building osso-gnomevfs-extra and I'll upload it to cssu-devel with libhildonfm. | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | is there a corect dependency added? | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | *correct | 19:27 |
| luf | freemangordon: do we want also Depends: libhildonfm (>= new version) in osso-gnomevfs-extra? | 19:27 |
| freemangordon | maybe a dependency to osso-connectivity-ui-l10n should be added, not sure though | 19:27 |
| luf | freemangordon: There was (and is) no dependecy now | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | ok, leave it that way | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | we'll fix it when it is time to enter -T | 19:28 |
| luf | I want to fix it now the correct way (no changes later) :) | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | I am ok, ofc :) | 19:29 |
| luf | 1) dependency to libhildonfm - I think it should | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:29 |
| luf | 2) osso-connectivity-ui-l10n - this is a question but normal user never want to see xyz_abs_bluetooth instead of Bluetooth. So you're right FMPOV and I'll add it too. | 19:30 |
| luf | freemangordon: I'll add both. Ok, thanks. | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 | 19:31 |
| freemangordon | the correct package name | 19:31 |
| kerio | merlin1991: wtf, spinning drives? :s | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | laptop_mode=1? | 19:32 |
| kerio | freemangordon: drives that *spin* | 19:32 |
| kerio | aka not SSDs | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | ofc | 19:32 |
| freemangordon | we're old-fashioned here after all | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | still using fremantle, what SSDs? :D | 19:33 |
| kerio | the n900 only has SSDs! | 19:33 |
| luf | freemangordon: just to check: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, libhildonfm2 (>= 2.28.22+0cssu3), osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 (>= 6.11+0m5) | 19:33 |
| freemangordon | look sgood to me | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | (you should know better than me libhildonfm2 version) | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | but l10n is fine | 19:34 |
| luf | :) | 19:35 |
| luf | freemangordon: what about bluez dependency? Did you test it also on stock bluez? | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | i've tested it only on stock bluez :D | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | maybe obexgw should be added too | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | (or whatever the package name was) | 19:36 |
| luf | freemangordon: Great. I tested it only on 4.99. I'm a little bit said that you don't try 4.99 :D | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | ii libgwobex0 0.64+0m5 wrapper library for openobex | 19:37 |
| luf | dbus? | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | luf: it was installed on my -devel device, but I reflashed a couple of days ago. bootloop :D | 19:37 |
| freemangordon | luf: and iirc you've said it still has problems. ? | 19:38 |
| luf | I know ... libxml2 + zlib :D I have no problem with it. But you're right some person has troubles with win ... | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | hmm, wasn't that obexd? | 19:39 |
| freemangordon | or it is bluez too? | 19:39 |
| luf | Someone on thumb reported obexd but I see no reply from him. And don_falcone and merlin1991 (reproduce) bluez + win | 19:40 |
| luf | However both is working ok for me :( | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | hmm, i guess both of them has obexd from cssu-t ;) | 19:41 |
| luf | (I don't use -thumb) | 19:41 |
| luf | I have also obexd from cssu-t ;) | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | does not matter, you are on -T, which is the same version as in thumb :) | 19:41 |
| luf | freemangordon: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, bluez (>= 4.60), libdbus-glib-1-2, libgwobex0, libhildonfm2 (>= 2.28.22+0cssu3), osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 (>= 6.11+0m5) | 19:44 |
| luf | Any other idea? | 19:44 |
| freemangordon | no | 19:45 |
| luf | Maybe I can drop version info for osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 | 19:45 |
| freemangordon | maybe | 19:46 |
| luf | I see another one: libosso-gnomevfs2-0 | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | libhildon should depend on it | 19:49 |
| freemangordon | so no need | 19:49 |
| luf | libhildon shouldn't depend on osso-gnomevfs-extra | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | I mean that libhildonfm depends on libosso-gnomevfs2-0 | 19:50 |
| luf | libhildon doesn't need osso-gnomevfs-extra to run properly | 19:50 |
| freemangordon | so no need to add it to a package which depends on libhildinfm | 19:50 |
| luf | Aaah good. libdbus-glib-1-2 is not needed as libosso-gnomevfs2-0 depends on it. | 19:51 |
| luf | Ok. No more time with this :D Final result: Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}, bluez (>= 4.60), libgwobex0, libhildonfm2 (>= 2.28.22+0cssu3), osso-connectivity-ui-l10n-mr0 | 19:52 |
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| freemangordon | looks fine to me | 19:53 |
| Pali | ~rescueOS | 19:57 |
| infobot | rescue-os is, like, http://206.253.166.96/N900/rescueOS/ | 19:57 |
| Pali | NIN101, how to generate initfs? | 19:58 |
| Pali | I have compiled 3.8 kernel with modules and now I want to unpack your initfs and add here my modules... | 19:58 |
| Pali | how to do that? | 19:58 |
| Pali | genromfs? | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | Pali: you have to unpack and loopback mount | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | (usually) | 20:00 |
| Pali | it seems image is romfs | 20:00 |
| Pali | I mounted it only in RO mode | 20:00 |
| freemangordon | just mount it then | 20:01 |
| Pali | I will try genromfs utility for generating new romfs image | 20:01 |
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| NIN101 | Pali: it is cramfs | 20:12 |
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| kerio | Pali: your hald-addon-bme filled up my tmpfs :c | 20:16 |
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| aapo | What version of gdb you are using on N900? I'm getting "Unhandled dwarf expression opcode 0xf3" during bactrace and if I understood it means that my gdb can't handle application which is compiled with gcc-4.7+thumb -compiler. | 23:08 |
| aapo | I'm talking about gdb=6.8.50.20090417-0maemo2+0m5 | 23:09 |
| luf | Pali: ping | 23:13 |
| Pali | luf, pong | 23:13 |
| luf | Pali: I installed you battery applet (ok it show icon in sb). | 23:14 |
| luf | I removed advanced-power and advanced-power-monitor and the icon from SB disappeared (however I see info in sb menu. | 23:15 |
| luf | (both - yours and ap - battery icons disappeared) | 23:15 |
| luf | Pali: ok I see the icon again after shutdown/power on | 23:18 |
| Pali | yes, there is bug in hildon (or maybe in aplet?) | 23:18 |
| Pali | it is not possible to unload module correctly | 23:18 |
| Pali | so you need to restart hildon after updating plugins | 23:19 |
| luf | Aaah ok. I didn't know it. Thanks for explanation. | 23:19 |
| luf | freemangordon: when do you plan to give us recompiled browser againist system zlib+libpng? | 23:25 |
| kerio | Pali: how do i disable the hald-addon-bme logs? | 23:28 |
| Pali | kerio, recompile | 23:28 |
| kerio | Pali: how do i disable the hald-addon-bme logs without recompiling? | 23:30 |
| Pali | not possible | 23:31 |
| Pali | I will recompile deb package | 23:31 |
| Pali | seems that logs are not needed... | 23:31 |
| kerio | my toolchain is pestering people on IRC | 23:32 |
| kerio | :D | 23:32 |
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