IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Thursday, 2013-01-10

luffreemangordon: :) you can't expect miracles ;)00:04
freemangordonluf: no, it is really fast00:05
lufI'm finishing dbus rewrite. However I'm thinking if I should use gconf + fallback dbus or dbus + fallback gconf.00:05
freemangordonluf: BTW how happened that (msg) was NULL on your device? OOM?00:05
lufYes OOM.00:06
freemangordonluf: dbus reads BT config files in /var/lib/bluetooth00:06
freemangordon(as you know)00:06
Palifreemangordon, do you using bmeM00:06
lufIt doesn't happen. I'm just using the code for the rewrite and I see missing check.00:06
Pali?00:06
freemangordonso I don;t see the point of using gconf too00:06
Paliif yes, then battery low will be at 0%00:06
Palibme sending low about 0%00:06
freemangordonPali: aah, this is misleading00:06
freemangordonbut ok, i'll know00:07
Palibattery low is sent by hald-addon-bme00:07
luffreemangordon: I think gconf is faster. so gconf + failback dbus makes sense.00:07
freemangordonluf: it should not be faster aiui00:07
lufdbus - list adapter + find device + getproperties + find name and return.00:07
lufI think gconf will be much faster :D00:08
freemangordonby 10ms?00:08
luflist adapter means list all adapters (hopefully only 1 on N900) ...00:08
freemangordonluf: I know00:08
lufI think even more. as getproperties transfer large string.00:09
freemangordonluf: also have in mind you have bot name and alias in BT dbus API00:09
luffreemangordon: host usb should add second BT device ...00:09
freemangordonwhich one is in gconf?00:09
lufWhat is bot name?00:09
freemangordon*both00:09
lufI don't care about Alias.00:10
freemangordonluf: you should use alias AIUI00:10
luffreemangordon: are you sure?00:10
lufI never saw difference :)00:11
freemangordonyep. afaik device name is what is set in /etc/bluetooth/main.conf00:11
freemangordonooh, wait00:11
lufNot it isn't ;)00:11
freemangordonyou set device alis locally00:11
freemangordon*alias00:11
lufIt's adapter name ;)00:11
freemangordonno, it is device name set by you00:11
freemangordonname is what remote has reported00:12
freemangordonalias is what you set locally00:12
lufAnd are you sure that Alias is set?00:12
lufShouldn't it be NULL/empty?00:12
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freemangordonyes, check it with dbus-send00:12
freemangordonluf: no00:12
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luffreemangordon: Ok I shouldn't but I trust you :D00:13
freemangordonluf: issue GetProperties for all devices you have setup, you'll see00:13
freemangordonluf: choose one device, goto BT applet, select that device and click edit00:14
freemangordonyou can change the name from there00:14
freemangordonwhat you change is alias ;)00:14
freemangordoncheck it afterwords with GetProperties00:15
lufBTW so you vte for not using gconf at all? Even in case it should be faster?00:15
luf*vote00:15
freemangordonyes, as it will give false results00:15
lufIf it returns empty/NULL it should use dbus ...00:16
freemangordonalso you may setup dbus-listener for device name/icon/whatever changed while in filemanager. not that this can't be done with gconf, but still00:16
lufHave you tested "false"results?00:16
freemangordonno00:17
lufI don't care about dbus-listener for changes ...00:17
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freemangordonbut we have NFC who sets those gconf keys00:17
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lufOk. I'm not happy to drop the code ...00:17
freemangordonjust #if 0 it00:17
Paliping merlin199100:18
merlin1991Pali: pong00:19
merlin1991luf, freemangordon sorry guys, I lost track of time00:19
Palican you create on gitorious cssu repo location-supl-fix?00:19
merlin1991https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/localtion-supl-fix00:21
Paliaaa bad name, I renamed it00:23
lufmerlin1991: :D00:24
Paliok, I pushed git repo00:24
lufmerlin1991: we'll try it next week?00:25
keriohm, why do we need that fix?00:25
luf*will we00:25
merlin1991I'm on a skiing trip next week, whilst I'm probably around each evening I never know when and how long :/00:25
Palikerio, because supl.nokia.com not working00:25
PaliI will push that package to cssu-devel for testing00:26
keriowhat does that do?00:26
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Palikerio, if server is set to supl.nokia.com it will ask if you want to change it to supl.google.com00:27
keriowhen? on install?00:27
Paliand because location-proxy daemon changing it back to supl.nokia.com that package will ask it every reboot (if is changed again)00:27
Palion startup00:27
Palibut there is also button do not ask me that again00:28
* kerio doesn't get that00:28
PaliI think that location-proxy resetting supl server when SIM card is removed/inserted00:28
Palipackage pushed to cssu-devel00:30
Paliplease test it: sudo apt-get install location-supl-fix00:30
DocScrutinizer51Pali: (changed SIM) makes sense00:32
Palito reset it back to supl.nokia.com??00:32
kerioDocScrutinizer51: not really00:32
Palinonsense00:33
kerioalso, is location-proxy closed?00:33
Paliwhy on the earth should some daemon without any user interation change some settings to non working server???00:33
Palikerio, yes00:33
DocScrutinizer51Pali: please start pkg via .desktop autostart, on long defer (low pro, high number)00:34
DocScrutinizer51Pali: we don't want to delay boot by such check00:34
DocScrutinizer51grrrrrr00:34
DocScrutinizer51~ping00:34
infobot~pong00:34
PaliDocScrutinizer51, isnt desktop autostart mean to autospawn always when not running?00:35
DocScrutinizer51~ping00:35
infobot~pong00:35
DocScrutinizer51ooh00:35
DocScrutinizer51been online00:35
DocScrutinizer51yes00:35
PaliDocScrutinizer51, it is started when strating hildon-desktop00:35
DocScrutinizer51Pali: I'll think about it some more00:37
gregoaon my n900, nothing has ever changed the supl server back to nokia's after I set it once to google's00:37
kerioindeed00:37
DocScrutinizer51same here00:37
PaliI'm using 2 sim cards from different contries... maybe this can be problem...00:38
DocScrutinizer51yes00:38
gregoaand for the one-time fix: can't this happen in the -mp package instead of a separate one?00:38
gregoaok, I've only ever used one SIM card00:38
Paligregoa, mp is metapackage so no00:39
kerioit's a package like any other00:39
Paliits metapackage00:39
gregoaand metapackages can#t have postinst scripts in cssu?00:39
Palidoes not contains any files00:39
kerioit's... a package00:39
gregoawell, that can be changed :)00:39
keriowe can make it contain files if we want00:39
Palibut then it is not metapackage...00:40
DocScrutinizer51own package "fix-shit" is fine00:40
DocScrutinizer51it however should be a "normal app" that gets also started once on install time00:40
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PaliDocScrutinizer51, cannot be started on install time00:41
DocScrutinizer51umm00:41
Palibecause cssu metapackage automatically reboot device00:41
kerioPali: postinst scripts are still ran00:41
DocScrutinizer51ahh, then we set up n alarmd event00:41
keriono we don't00:41
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PaliDocScrutinizer51, any ETA for autobuilder??00:46
Paliwhat happened?00:46
DocScrutinizer51Pali: sorry nope00:47
Paliaaaaaaaa00:47
DocScrutinizer51ask X-Fade00:47
DocScrutinizer51try new IP00:47
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DocScrutinizer51Pali: I hope to send a mail about "migration: current status and plans for the near future" shortly00:56
Paliok00:57
DocScrutinizer51Pali: atm ball is in Nemein half of playground00:57
DocScrutinizer51now for friggin sscd00:58
DocScrutinizer51so... afk bbiab01:00
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DocScrutinizer51ok, this time not even boot puts 2G back to operational01:23
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DocScrutinizer51:-(01:23
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DocScrutinizer51I blame O201:32
DocScrutinizer513G getting better by the month while 2G seems to suffer proportionally01:34
DocScrutinizer514 years ago I hardly got a 2G connection in this pub (had no 3G back when). 3 years ago 2G improved a lot and 3G was as poor as 2G been before. Since ~1.5 years 2G is getting worse and now back to inferior than 4 years ago, while 3G now is fine01:38
DocScrutinizer51~o201:40
DocScrutinizer51~botnack01:41
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ShadowJKsame trend here01:42
ShadowJKonly get 5-10kbyte/s on 2g now01:42
ShadowJKused to be solid 25-30 everywhere01:42
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DocScrutinizer51fsck01:47
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DocScrutinizer51~ping01:48
infobot~pong01:48
DocScrutinizer51"sent 4MB, rcv 22MB" for last month02:07
DocScrutinizer51the 500MB "flatrate" seems absolutely sufficient for me02:08
DocScrutinizer51particularly when 2G doesn't work anymore02:09
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DocScrutinizer51~seen raster02:12
infobotraster <~raster@enlightenment/developer/raster> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 291d 20h 24m 27s ago, saying: 'open is just a bonus'.02:12
lufI should not write new code ... I haven't seen so many mistakes for years :D02:18
DocScrutinizer51hm? shy to kill all those bugs?02:22
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lufI hate my inet provider :(02:38
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lufI have two provider fortunately :)02:47
lufDocScrutinizer51: it's very time consuming to fix all the mistakes. However I hope I'm done.02:47
luffreemangordon: I pushed bluez dbus for icon and name into libhildonfm git. Please review and test. It's working for me now.02:47
luffreemangordon: I see the problem with pictures in syslog ... It tries to create thumbnails for pictures and it fails (of course).02:47
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lufIf somone else wants test bluez (obexFTP) support for filemanager I uploaded new libhildonfm package to http://merlin1991.at/~luf/osso-gnomevfs-extra/02:59
lufIt seems stable enough as freemangordon is using it on his primary N900 :)02:59
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lufluf: I mark it with beta state03:04
lufTTL03:04
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freemangordonluf: this https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libhildonfm/blobs/9fc59e4e274237b2595dbc2dcde38a999ae37d47/hildon-fm/hildon-file-system-obex.c#line369 will result in a endless loop if condition becomes true09:19
freemangordonI am not sure continue in do-while will evaluate while() expression09:20
freemangordonmight be wrong though09:20
kerioaiui continue is a goto to just before the end of the block09:25
freemangordoncould be09:25
freemangordonI use do-while once in 5 years, so not exactly shure :D09:26
freemangordonI would've used for() loop09:26
freemangordonkerio: yep, you are right, continue reevaluates the expression, so it is ok09:28
freemangordonluf: scratch ^^^, it is ok09:28
freemangordonaah, "goto", congrats luf :)09:30
freemangordonok, commit looks fine09:30
freemangordonluf: installed, so far so good :)09:45
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luffreemangordon: are you trying how is my heart strong?10:45
luf:D10:45
merlin1991a little bit of almost heart attacks never hurt anybody ;)10:48
lufmerlin1991: :D10:54
lufmerlin1991: please change room description as meeting date is in past ...10:55
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lufmerlin1991: how can I see list of bugs you want to discuss on meeting?11:02
merlin1991just follow the link the topic, start with 1264811:02
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freemangordonluf: why is that with your heart? :)11:37
freemangordonluf: BTW I think there is one more think that should be done in obexftp11:38
freemangordonif BT is turned off, turn it on in the same way as when you share a file over BT with BT off. Just a proposal though it will make user exparience consistent11:39
freemangordonbesides that so far everything is fine11:40
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* amiconn wonders how to compile an application for N900 so that it uses thumb code11:57
freemangordonamiconn: http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU-thumb_toolchain_setup_%28gcc4.7.2-linaro%2911:57
merlin1991amiconn: but don't tell anybody ;)11:58
freemangordon:D11:58
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amiconnI probably need to repair my scratchbox environment first12:00
freemangordonI guess so12:00
merlin1991also never attempt to build microb-engine12:00
freemangordonmerlin1991: why?12:00
merlin1991you need some dark magic for that :D12:00
* amiconn would really prefer a proper cross-compilation environment over this scratchbox crap12:00
merlin1991amiconn: move the stuff into sb2 ;)12:00
freemangordonmerlin1991: what's wrong with black magic?12:00
merlin1991merlin is a white not blackhat ;)12:01
freemangordonaah, I see12:01
merlin1991freemangordon: I didn't get the chance to try the image yet12:01
merlin1991if it works I'll have find out why and kill whomever is reponsible12:01
freemangordonok12:01
merlin1991hm I wonder if it will work when I boot it up in qemu-kvm12:02
freemangordonmerlin1991: just make sure to not install ubuntu upgrades, I have the feeling they break quemu12:02
freemangordon*quemu12:02
freemangordonthe fuck12:02
* freemangordon needs moar coffee12:02
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freemangordonchem|st: what's with the new -stable?12:23
chem|stfreemangordon: sry some serious private issues came across, will try for tonight, no promisses, I am still wasted12:25
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luffreemangordon: please elaborate more on BT on off issue you see. I don't catch the idea.13:29
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lufOhoh nobody maintain libxml2 since released so it contains memleaks also :(14:15
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lufOr better say: nobody maintains bugs fixed in upstream (as some CVEs were fixed).14:17
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freemangordonPali: even seen that https://tango.0pointer.de/pipermail/pulseaudio-discuss/2010-November/008226.html ?14:58
freemangordonluf: if try you share a file over BT with BT off, BT is auto switched to on14:59
luffreemangordon: So you think to BT auto switch to ON when start filemanager? I don't think it's good idea ...15:00
freemangordonno, only if one presses Bluetooth in FM15:01
luffreemangordon: come on ... wi discussed it yesterday ... there is directory preload ...15:02
luf*we15:02
freemangordonexactly15:02
freemangordonbut it happens only if you choose bluetooth, i.e. enter it15:02
freemangordonit does not happen on FM startup15:02
lufSo it's not possible to see Bluetooth without enabled BT.15:03
freemangordonaiui15:03
lufIt does.15:03
freemangordonluf: are you 100% sure?15:03
lufYes I'm. Let's enable syslog + download/install my compiled version of osso-gnomevfs-extra and you'll see.15:04
freemangordonanyway, is it possible to turn BT on when you try to browse a device and BT if off by that time?15:04
freemangordons/if/is15:04
lufEven because the Bluetooth is only shown if you have some supported device paired ;)15:04
freemangordonluf: you got me wrong15:04
luffreemangordon: come on. Stop.15:05
lufIt's working as you want.15:05
freemangordonI am not saying to turn BT on when bluetooth is entered, but only when an actual attempt to browse a device is made15:05
lufNo I'm wrong. MMNT.15:05
freemangordonPali: also look here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=719015:06
povbotBug 7190: music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web15:06
freemangordonPali: esp comment 4715:08
luffreemangordon: I understand ...15:10
* ShadowJK wishes media player buffered input file 5-10 secs ahead15:12
freemangordonluf: do you?15:12
freemangordongood15:13
merlin1991ShadowJK: blame mafw15:13
ShadowJKindeed15:13
ShadowJKsqlite is quite capable of monopolizing IO for 5-10 seconds :)15:14
freemangordonShadowJK: any clue if we can fix that? after all swlite is in CSSU15:14
freemangordon*sqlite15:14
merlin1991hm I don't know of any sqlite in cssu15:15
freemangordonhmm, my bad :)15:16
freemangordoni included it in -thumb, that is why I tought it is in -testing too ;)15:16
ShadowJKFor harmattan they were going to run it in "journal only" mode, or something like that. Basically it's the IO write access pattern issue on flash15:17
ShadowJKMaybe worth seeing what features upstream sqlite has these days15:17
ShadowJKbtw, I've seen significant emmc load (swap being on uSD) when using fennec too (cssu thumb), been meaning to compile myself a little LD_PRELOAD magic to disable fsync() and fdatasync() for fennec :)15:18
ShadowJK(as I don't particulary care if I have to nuke .mozilla/fennec daily after corruption)15:19
luffreemangordon: I want just to make you happy :p15:19
ShadowJKfsync() on ext2/ext3 is about as costly as a full sync.. think they improved that a bit in ext415:20
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freemangordonluf: oh, so you make all the development to make me happy? I feel honoured :D15:22
luffreemangordon: however I'm affraid I have to check it in all get_dev because there is no specific call when going into Bluetooth.15:23
freemangordonShadowJK: afaik fremantle uses journal only mode too(at least for conversations)15:24
freemangordonand journal is in /var/lib15:24
luffreemangordon: is there any other reason as nobody else don't want it :)15:24
freemangordonluf: hehe15:24
freemangordonluf: why do you think that, I am sure merlin1991 posponed yesterday's meeting to give you time to finish obexftp :P15:25
luffreemangordon: Ahhh true I forget. He is so kind that he'll go skiing to give me extra one week bonus :D15:30
freemangordonluf: see ;)15:30
* merlin1991 feels trolled, big time15:31
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lufIt seems my devN900 booted correctly with libxml2-2.8.0 from wheezy :D16:31
lufThere are fixed several CVEs and some mem leaks ...16:34
lufAnd the libxml2.so.2.8.0 is just about 20kB bigger.16:37
luffreemangordon: I know that autogen for libxml2 2.8.0 is failing but it's using pregenerated configure which works :) I'll take a look on this issue also ...16:50
freemangordonluf: you want to upgrade libxml2 too? I mean now, not in 2 months?16:53
luffreemangordon: :D16:53
freemangordonluf: memleaks? sounds nice16:53
freemangordonbtw, fremantle is on 2.6.32, are those ABI compatible?16:54
lufYes. I saw at least two or three (I just took a fast overview) in 50 commits from 2.6.32 release and I checked it's not fixed in maemo package.16:55
freemangordonhmm, so 2.6.x -> 2.8.x does not break the abi?16:56
freemangordonnice16:56
luffreemangordon: It just seems so now. Not 100% sure but the device boot. I don't know what should I test also ...16:56
lufI know hildon-* at least hardly depends on libxml.16:57
freemangordonluf: for start you can compare exports from the old and the new16:58
freemangordonluf: so there are ~50 commits between 2.6.32 an 2.8.0?16:59
freemangordonthen we can just review them16:59
freemangordonhave a link?16:59
luffreemangordon: There is arounf 500 :D16:59
freemangordonhmm, ^^^ you wrote 50 :P17:00
luffreemangordon: I went just throught 50 to take decision (to try wheezy 2.8.0 on N900) ;)17:00
freemangordonaah, ok17:00
freemangordonanyway, where did you look at those commits?17:00
luflibxml2 git17:06
lufhttp://git.gnome.org/browse/libxml2/17:06
freemangordonthanks17:06
lufhttp://git.gnome.org/browse/libxml2/log/?ofs=50017:07
lufhttp://git.gnome.org/browse/libxml2/commit/?id=074f37e7ebd5e76ceb584a89745a9e84df5b3be217:08
freemangordonluf: http://git.gnome.org/browse/libxml2/diff/?id=LIBXML2.7.017:09
freemangordonI think we can go through all this version diffs and assess17:09
Palimerlin1991, freemangordon, see: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/alarmd/merge_requests/117:11
lufYeah you still have some reserve as you sleep 4 hours per day :D17:11
Paliis somebody against rewriting git history for alarmd?17:11
Palimy git repo has all public versions17:12
luffreemangordon: I see just addition there.17:12
freemangordonPali: it is up to merlin199117:12
freemangordonluf: ok17:12
merlin1991how many commits did we apply?17:12
freemangordonluf: could you do diff -Urn 2.6.32 2.8.0 and upload the .diff file somewhere17:13
freemangordonwe can look at code changes there and decide whether the ABI is broken or not17:14
luffreemangordon: Yes merlin1991 is going to skiing so he can print it and read whole week :D17:15
Palimerlin1991: see https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/alarmd/commits/thumb-testing and https://gitorious.org/~pali/community-ssu/pali-alarmd/commits/thumb-testing17:15
freemangordonluf: hmm, I see jealousy here :D17:16
lufMaybe there but not here :D :D17:17
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Palifreemangordon, here is also rebased git history for microb-engine: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/microb-engine/merge_requests/117:25
Palimerlin1991 ^^^17:25
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* DocScrutinizer05 just noticed that ivgalvez and him pretty much killed off the yesterday meeting start17:34
DocScrutinizer05sorry17:35
freemangordonDocScrutinizer05: hmm, it wasn't you aiui ;)17:42
DocScrutinizer05well, somebody pinged merlin1991 about his favourite game of pingpong scheduled for 2000CET, actually >>[2013-01-09 20:02:08] <luf> merlin1991: Jan, 9 2013 20:00 CET ... :D17:44
DocScrutinizer05ivgalvez and me ignored that17:44
lufDocScrutinizer05: I think bigger problem was that some other guy missed it too :D17:44
DocScrutinizer05quite easily due to the noise ivan and me created here17:45
DocScrutinizer05not particularly polite17:45
lufDocScrutinizer05: no, you can see he answered with several ??? ;)17:45
DocScrutinizer05ooh, I missed that :-)17:46
DocScrutinizer05busy times ;-P17:46
luffreemangordon, pali: I'm building patched pulseaudio ...17:49
luffreemangordon: are you sure you want go through? wc -l: 216961 libxml2_2.6_to_2.8.diff (maybe it's half due to diff after buildpackage + some cleanup)18:04
lufPatched pulseaudio (pointed by freemangordon: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7190) uploaded to http://merlin1991.at/~luf/pulseaudio/18:18
povbotBug 7190: music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web18:18
lufPlease test it so I can push it to git and also upload to the cssu-devel. Thanks.18:19
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lufI'm leaving now for today. So I hope someone will be real man and will also teste osso-gnomevfs-extra + libhidlonfm, new libxml2 and also new pulseaudio :D18:28
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chem|stcssu-stable-6 released, git updated...19:20
ThreeMno changelog for testing?19:26
chem|stwiki is ro atm19:28
chem|st7.2 was a security update19:28
chem|stmaemo-sec-certs got updated19:28
chem|stlook in the tmo threads for info19:28
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freemangordonluf: hmm, you wasted your time on PA :( https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/pulseaudio/+bug/92441619:30
freemangordonchem|st: great19:31
chem|stfreemangordon: still does not feel it sry19:31
freemangordonchem|st: hmm?19:31
chem|stfreemangordon: I try to keep myself distracted but it doesn't help it much19:31
chem|stas I said there was no update because of serious personal issues...19:32
freemangordonaah, sure , np19:32
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chem|stI'm still not able to get microb-engine built...19:33
chem|stcan anyone confirm that it installs correctly pls (cssu-stable 6)19:33
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freemangordonchem|st: for microb-engine try SDK vmware image (when you have time)19:35
freemangordonI uploaded it in my home on merlin1991's server19:37
freemangordonif you have troubles to download it from Nokia19:38
Pali_do no forget to turn off thumb in sdk vmware image!!!!19:38
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freemangordonPali: :nod:19:40
freemangordonPali: though thumb-compiled microb-engine(without patches in thumb-testing) does not run at all, so chem|stwill catch it pretty easily :D19:41
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DocScrutinizer05((<chem|st> wiki is ro atm)) please see workaround20:52
DocScrutinizer05~interim-dns20:52
infobotmethinks interim-dns is "http://mwkn.net/2013/01/community.html and http://maemo.cloud-7.de/migration-project/DNS-TBD-.etc.hosts"20:52
DocScrutinizer05please update wiki there, it's ok20:52
DocScrutinizer05eventualy your edits there will "migrate" to the "real" wiki (actually we'll just point DNS records to point to those IPs - or any new ones that might become actual when the servers got installed)20:54
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