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| luf | pulseaudio: I'm unable to find git. The meego one skip the latest version used in fremantle. So I suppose to upload pulseaudio sources from fremantle as initial commit to the cssu. | 00:25 |
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| luf | bluez: I see only bluez.git. But it differs from the released tar.gz a little bit: http://pastebin.com/D0zcESKU I know something is due to auto tools but not all. | 00:33 |
| luf | Can you please suggest how can I initialize cssu git for pulseaudio and bluez? | 00:34 |
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| luf | No hints for initializing cssu pulseaudio and bluez git? | 11:11 |
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| Pali | luf, see https://gitorious.org/maemo-bluetooth | 12:18 |
| Pali | maybe there is also maemo version (if it has maemo prefix) | 12:18 |
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| luf | There is no latest maemo release. It ends with maemo32 (+-) and there is meamo49 (+-) on the device. | 12:20 |
| luf | I saw this git. | 12:20 |
| Pali | hm, there is 4.60-maemo | 12:22 |
| Pali | tag | 12:22 |
| Pali | luf, do you want fremante git bluez tree? | 12:28 |
| Pali | I can create it from packages from repository.maemo.org | 12:29 |
| luf | pali: I dont understand ... | 12:29 |
| Pali | $ git import-dscs | 12:29 |
| luf | If you find fremantle bluez git feel free to initialize bluez cssu with it. | 12:29 |
| Pali | ^^^ this will create git repository from dsc packages | 12:30 |
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| kerio | luf: srsly tho, gimme an updated package | 14:43 |
| kerio | i want it | 14:44 |
| kerio | sometimes bluetoothd gets confused and i have to restart it to make my headphones work again | 14:44 |
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| Pali | here is my script git-import-dscs which can import more dsc (debian source) packages into git: http://pastebin.com/xGQnp1Dn | 15:12 |
| Pali | git has its own "git import-dscs" but this script is better (it creating linear history) | 15:13 |
| Pali | usage is easy, create new directory, go here and run ./git-import-dscs <file1.dsc> <file2.dsc> ... | 15:14 |
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| luf | Pali: copy all sources (tar.gz+diff.gz or what is in dsc) and dsc files into one directory? Am I right. I hope I'll have time for it today in the evening or next week. | 15:49 |
| Pali | luf, copy all files (tar, diff, dsc) into other directory | 15:50 |
| Pali | and create new directory (where will be git tree) | 15:50 |
| luf | kerio: I'm short on time today :( Let's uninstall 4.99 package and install 4.60 back in case of such troubles. You have to use some force option for uninstall using dpkg. | 15:50 |
| Pali | script does not work if you download files into directory where will be git tree | 15:51 |
| luf | Pali: thanks again for the instructions. | 15:51 |
| Pali | ok | 15:51 |
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| luf | Can I get git tree from meego and apply the git-import-dscs over it? | 15:51 |
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| Pali | maybe it work or maybe not | 15:53 |
| Pali | but meego tree has new version of bluez | 15:53 |
| Pali | so it is useless (to import some old version on top of new) | 15:53 |
| luf | Pali: git reset --hard <last shared commit> and then over it of course. | 15:54 |
| Pali | yes, then you will have only one commit :-) | 15:55 |
| Pali | only one shared commit from meego is with maemo :-( | 15:55 |
| kerio | luf: nah, i'll just wait :) | 15:55 |
| luf | Pali: No. There is whole history till the last shared commit. | 15:55 |
| luf | + whatever over it. | 15:56 |
| luf | I'll try. I have to go to do something here :( | 15:56 |
| Pali | luf, whole shared history is only one commit :-( | 15:56 |
| luf | ***** paper work. | 15:56 |
| Pali | there is some bugs in my script | 16:05 |
| Pali | I will try to fix it | 16:05 |
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| Pali | here is new version of shell script git-import-dscs: http://pastebin.com/bZ7wvRm3 | 18:03 |
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| luf | kerio: bluez binary uploaded - you know where ;) | 18:16 |
| kerio | you keep saying that, and i keep having no clue | 18:17 |
| luf | kerio: The same place as the last time. | 18:18 |
| luf | Just version is changed. | 18:18 |
| luf | But I'm not sure you'll be lucky with audio. | 18:18 |
| kerio | hm | 18:18 |
| luf | http://merlin1991.at/~luf/bluez/ | 18:18 |
| luf | I have to catch the train .... | 18:19 |
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| kerio | D: what's the difference between maemo2 and maemo1 | 18:20 |
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| luf | kerio: aprox. 150 patches. | 21:26 |
| kerio | neat | 21:26 |
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| luf | I'll upload sources also ... | 21:27 |
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| Pali | luf, https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/bluez | 21:29 |
| luf | Pali: thanks | 21:31 |
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| luf | Pali: can I import the 4.99 the same way? Does it remove all files which aren't in the new release? | 21:33 |
| Pali | luf, it should | 21:33 |
| luf | Ok, awsome. | 21:34 |
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| kerio | luf: how do i PAN-GN | 21:46 |
| luf | kerio: You need to upgrade memory :D | 21:47 |
| luf | I only know how to activate NAP ;) and it needs bridge kernel module. | 21:48 |
| luf | kerio: take a look into logs of this channel (I think yesterday). We talked about it with you and freemangordon. | 21:48 |
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| kerio | luf: apparently you don't really need bridging if you're only doing point-to-point connections | 21:59 |
| kerio | it's needed if you end up with more than one connection, because pand creates a bnep<x> network interface for each connection | 22:00 |
| kerio | and it gets messy, unless you can bind the interfaces together | 22:00 |
| luf | kerio: I understand _but_ I'm not bluez developer. | 22:00 |
| kerio | luf: where's pand? | 22:00 |
| luf | kerio: again in -test I think. | 22:00 |
| luf | Let's explore. Please keep me now to do my job. pan isn't on the top of my TODO right now. | 22:01 |
| kerio | awesome :) | 22:01 |
| luf | BTW pand shouldn't be needed. It was even removed in upstream if I remember it right. The same as dund | 22:02 |
| kerio | meh | 22:02 |
| kerio | how is it supposed to work then? :s | 22:02 |
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| luf | kerio: :D nap doesn't need it. I don't understand how to register another type. It needs more time to understand and test. | 22:04 |
| luf | kerio: please, step by step ... or I give it up. | 22:05 |
| kerio | gaah, os x is so stupid | 22:09 |
| kerio | it can only act as a master | 22:09 |
| luf | kerio: what version of bluez it has? :D | 22:10 |
| kerio | oh you ;) | 22:10 |
| luf | kerio: share the bluez version on OS X ;) | 22:11 |
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| kerio | huh... | 22:16 |
| kerio | i got it | 22:16 |
| kerio | i connected :D | 22:17 |
| kerio | hrmpf, apparently you're not supposed to use pand on bluez4 | 22:22 |
| luf | kerio: what? Can you be more descriptive? | 22:31 |
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| kerio | luf: in theory bluez 4 should be able to be configured to serve as everything you'll ever need | 22:32 |
| kerio | pand and dund are deprecated | 22:32 |
| luf | Yes. It's right. | 22:32 |
| luf | Can you describe steps how you get connected? | 22:34 |
| kerio | luf: enable bluetooth PAN on laptop, pand --search | 22:35 |
| kerio | with bnep modprobed | 22:35 |
| kerio | i can't do a reverse connection though | 22:35 |
| kerio | which is silly | 22:35 |
| luf | So you're connected using pand from N900. Right? | 22:36 |
| kerio | yes | 22:36 |
| kerio | but apparently that's deprecated | 22:36 |
| luf | And what is supported way? | 22:38 |
| kerio | configuring /etc/bluetooth/network.conf in the correct way | 22:38 |
| kerio | but apparently bluez has no documentation whatsoever anywhere | 22:38 |
| luf | kerio: I know there is nearly no docs :( | 22:39 |
| kerio | luf: to that you also have to add the fact that i have no idea of what os x expects | 22:40 |
| kerio | i only figured out that to make syncml work you had to have bluetooth DUN working so that osx can identify the phone by trial and error | 22:41 |
| luf | kerio: There is no SDP record for GN or PANU on N900 :( I know how to activate NAP but only NAP. | 22:43 |
| kerio | luf: what? | 22:43 |
| kerio | i connected by being a PANU | 22:43 |
| kerio | it creates the SDP record automatically | 22:44 |
| luf | Yes but I think you can't connect from mac os or another N900 or ... | 22:45 |
| luf | And you used the pand ... | 22:45 |
| luf | Pali: ping | 22:49 |
| kerio | luf: i'm using NAP now | 22:49 |
| Pali | luf, pong | 22:49 |
| luf | I understand that I have to be in git root (the script). | 22:50 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 wonders what your hackers are doing all the time | 22:50 | |
| luf | And *.dsc can be in another directory? | 22:50 |
| kerio | luf: to make os x not barf, i had to add "networking" in the major service class | 22:50 |
| luf | kerio: you're using NAP on N900 ? | 22:50 |
| kerio | now i moved from "error message" to "jack shit happens" | 22:50 |
| kerio | which is, arguably, better | 22:50 |
| kerio | yeah, NAP on the n900 | 22:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is there a defined goal why we're watching all BT getting redefined? | 22:51 |
| kerio | luf: how do i enable debug again? | 22:51 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: because it's fun | 22:51 |
| luf | Pali: I understand that I have to be in git root (the script). And *.dsc can be in another directory? | 22:51 |
| Pali | luf, dsc must be in other directory | 22:52 |
| kerio | my goal is to ssh to the n900 when it's not connected to my wifi network while pooping and the n900 is far away | 22:52 |
| luf | kerio: NAP on N900 needs bridge support in kernel. | 22:52 |
| kerio | 1) no it doesn't | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd prefer to see such kinda fun for fun's sake not just here in #maemo-ssu | 22:52 |
| luf | kerio: How did you init NAP? | 22:52 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ok, let's talk about cssu | 22:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It smells like ther'd be a logical link between the two topics | 22:52 |
| kerio | luf: pand -M -s -r NAP | 22:53 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: i feel safer here :3 | 22:53 |
| luf | kerio: aaahhh ok. It's not what I want to see. | 22:53 |
| kerio | also i think that eventually luf wants to push bluez 4.99 to cssu | 22:53 |
| kerio | luf: i know :s | 22:53 |
| kerio | how did *you* enable NAP? | 22:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: that's exactly what I'm afraid of | 22:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: oh you :3 | 22:54 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: why you're affraid of? | 22:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | is there a defined goal why we're watching all BT getting redefined? | 22:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: carkit support, audio sink, PAN | 22:54 |
| luf | kerio: take a look into logs. I wrote it day or to ago. | 22:54 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: non-fixed bugs in 4.60? | 22:55 |
| luf | kerio: dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=org.bluez /org/bluez/$(pidof bluetoothd)/hci0 org.bluez.NetworkServer.Register string:nap string:lan | 22:55 |
| luf | The second string is name of bridge device. | 22:56 |
| kerio | oh god dbus D: | 22:56 |
| luf | But it fails on connect as bridge doesn't exists. | 22:56 |
| * kerio doesn't grok dbus | 22:56 | |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: new bluez also support DUN and more out of the box. | 22:58 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: Why this can't go into -testing? | 22:59 |
| kerio | luf: hrmpf, i still can't get os x to connect | 22:59 |
| luf | kerio: pand --help to see how to debug? | 22:59 |
| kerio | luf: no, i'm trying your bluez.NetworkServer thing | 23:01 |
| luf | kerio: As I wrote it fails on non-existing bridge device. | 23:01 |
| kerio | yeah, but i made the bridge device | 23:02 |
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| luf | kerio: how you created bridge device on N900? | 23:02 |
| kerio | brctl? | 23:03 |
| luf | kerio: where do you get it? And where you find kernel support for bridge on N900? | 23:04 |
| kerio | busybox-power, and kernel-power | 23:05 |
| kerio | :) | 23:05 |
| kerio | luf: am i supposed to add NAP to the sdp services manually? | 23:05 |
| luf | Pali: I can fix but I'm not sure if you upload correct version: git: 'import-dsc' is not a git command. See 'git --help'. | 23:05 |
| luf | I have it too ... and no brctl ... | 23:06 |
| Pali | luf, you need to install git import-dsc | 23:06 |
| Pali | on ubuntu it is in package git-buildpackage | 23:07 |
| Pali | luf ^^^ | 23:07 |
| luf | Pali: It asks me about import-dscs ... it's something else? | 23:07 |
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| Pali | my script is wrapper around git (addon) command import-dsc | 23:07 |
| Pali | and git has also (addon) command import-dscs which is other wrapper around it | 23:08 |
| luf | kerio: I have kernel-power 51r1 and busybox-power 1.20.2power2 | 23:08 |
| Pali | luf, install git-buildpackage and my script should work | 23:08 |
| kerio | luf: \_o_/ | 23:08 |
| luf | Pali; Ok. thanks for clarification. | 23:08 |
| kerio | maybe it was added in kp52? | 23:08 |
| kerio | Pali: did you add ethernet bridge support in kp52? | 23:09 |
| Pali | yes I enabled | 23:09 |
| kerio | luf: there you go | 23:09 |
| Pali | but I do not know if it is in some build | 23:09 |
| Pali | in git is enabled | 23:09 |
| luf | I missed release kp52 .... | 23:09 |
| kerio | Pali: well, i'm using it | 23:09 |
| Pali | ok | 23:10 |
| Pali | I also added kernel-feature-bridge | 23:10 |
| luf | Pali: my problem is that I'm on RH ... | 23:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | luf: I have no problems with fixed bugs, I'm scared by new bugs getting introduced. And I uttered a rant about meaning and purpose of cssu-testing just a few days ago. IIRC addressed to freemangordon, but basically it been meant as a general notice | 23:13 |
| Pali | luf, homepage of project is here: https://honk.sigxcpu.org/piki/projects/git-buildpackage/ | 23:14 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there could be bugs, so it's never going to be in CSSU? | 23:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | this "testing" is probation, not experiment | 23:16 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's a whole lot about risk management, in deed | 23:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a very non-sophisticated level of argumentation, I don't see a massive pach going into cssu when the only major 'improvement' it brings is depending on KP and thus not applicable on CSSU | 23:18 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: we can give it into cssu-extras once it'll be created so it'll be optional. | 23:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's low risk | 23:19 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | no objections, if you manage that | 23:19 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: carkit (together with obexd) and DUN don't depend on KP | 23:19 |
| luf | DocScrutinizer05: bluez-4.99 has no dependency on KP. | 23:19 |
| kerio | and those are two fairly major improvements | 23:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I won't deny that | 23:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but the risk seems also very high, looking at the major restructuring that even means we need to change services and whatnot | 23:20 |
| kerio | luf: i still can't get os x to connect, or even think of my n900 as a BT PAN-able device | 23:21 |
| luf | kerio: As I said. It's still not on top of my TODO. I'm sorry. | 23:21 |
| luf | Pali: I'm unable to find how to install it on RH :( | 23:26 |
| luf | Pali: maybe I find ... | 23:31 |
| luf | Pali: installed but I'm affraid there is not way in RH :( gbp.errors.GbpError: /usr/bin/dpkg not found - cannot use compare versions | 23:35 |
| luf | Pali: hmm there is dpkg for RH :) I didn't expect ... | 23:36 |
| luf | Pali: ping | 23:39 |
| luf | kerio: you can enable debug with adding -d '*' to the /etc/event.d/bluetoothd | 23:44 |
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