| DocScrutinizer05 | WAKE UP DREAMERS!!! | 00:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | NOMINATE YOURSELVES FOR COUNCIL/BOARD ELECTIONS! | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 3h left to do so | 00:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (I heard) | 00:05 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo in its current form will just cease to exist 2012-12-31 if we don't find enough candadates for building up new organisational entities | 00:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (since I know Nokia, I'd bet it will cease to exist 2012-12-20) | 00:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and probably will expose quite some annoying special behaviour weeks or even months before that | 00:08 |
| Skry | what would the duties be? | 00:09 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | serve community with all that can't be done in a distributed chaotic FOSS project, like organize events, care about infra admin and finance, whatnot else | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | report on that, communicate, communicate, communicate, communicate, communicate, | 00:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take all the shit that derailed community mambers with no clue about what council can/not do will pourr over you | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | members | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and by "events" I mean really all kinds of events, from IRC meeetings to elections to foundation of new entities to anual congress | 00:23 |
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| * ShadowJK doesnt read tmo anymore, only vaguely reads mailing lists, and is apparently missing a vital one, and has missed almost everything about foundation and stuff | 00:33 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | short story: server rental etc needs a legal entity | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also ADMIN-C does | 00:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aka, maemo.org domain, which now is owned by Nokia but hopefully will change soon | 00:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | taking donations needs legal entity too, it seems | 00:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thus: board/foundation | 00:36 |
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| Skry | sure made it sound like a lot of fun | 00:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | nobody who thinks council is any fun should be allowed to do the job | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | last one who did got kicked by his co-councilors | 00:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since he thought now he's king of the world | 00:47 |
| Woody14619 | Shhh!!! Quiet! I hear if you say his name 3 times he'll appear. Or at least read what you've said. | 00:50 |
| Woody14619 | .oO(Last thing we need is him running again....) | 00:51 |
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| Sicelo | LOL | 14:18 |
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| DocScrutinizer06 | Sicelo: indeed | 16:45 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: btw, what's the status of hardfp in cssu-thumb? | 21:38 |
| freemangordon | no hardfp | 21:38 |
| kerio | :c | 21:39 |
| kerio | what would it take to add hardfp? | 21:39 |
| freemangordon | a new kernel, libc and full recompilation :D | 21:39 |
| kerio | cool | 21:40 |
| kerio | do it | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | yeah, I was about to start | 21:40 |
| kerio | really? :o | 21:40 |
| freemangordon | no | 21:40 |
| kerio | aww :c | 21:41 |
| kerio | freemangordon: would binary stuff work as it is? | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | and new kernel does not mean some KP with patches | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | ;) | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | though kernel might not be needed | 21:41 |
| freemangordon | only glibc recompiled for hardfp and all userland recompiled with hardfp | 21:42 |
| kerio | is it a different architecture altogether? | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | abi is different | 21:42 |
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| kerio | so... yes? | 21:42 |
| freemangordon | yes | 21:43 |
| kerio | cool | 21:43 |
| kerio | hypothetically, how would you run nokia binaries? | 21:43 |
| kerio | qemu? | 21:43 |
| freemangordon | on the device :D | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | aah, you mean hardfp | 21:44 |
| kerio | i said how, not where | 21:44 |
| kerio | yeah | 21:44 |
| freemangordon | chroot on the device | 21:44 |
| kerio | oh, so it's somewhat compatible | 21:45 |
| kerio | i see | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | as it is not really a different architecture | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | difference between softfp and hardfp is calling convention | 21:45 |
| freemangordon | softfp uses integer regs to pass floating point parameters | 21:46 |
| freemangordon | hardfp uses FPU regs | 21:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | difference is glibc aiui | 21:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so make all your hardfp stuff link against a new freaky glibc instead of the original one and you're probably fine | 21:49 |
| freemangordon | well, AFAIK you can't simply do that, as all other stuff (libs) should be hardfp too | 21:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I.E. statically linked to glibc-hardfp would already solve all problems ;-) [except the problem with size this will need] | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm yeah | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | good point | 21:51 |
| freemangordon | it is not only glibc, but everything linked against it :D | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure, that's what I said | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | statically linked *to* glibc-hardfp | 21:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but that would cause other libs use glibc-hardfp too, while those other libs maybe are still assuming standard glibc | 21:52 |
| freemangordon | no, you need to link statically to all libs your cool application uses. and they should be hardfp as well | 21:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes, exactly what I just said | 21:53 |
| freemangordon | ok | 21:53 |
| kerio | by the way, is XIP feasible? | 21:53 |
| kerio | hell, is it even doable, considering ubifs does compression? | 21:53 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | what's XIP? | 21:56 |
| kerio | execute-in-place | 21:57 |
| freemangordon | sounds cool. and what it does? | 21:57 |
| kerio | http://elinux.org/Kernel_XIP - "In general, time savings of about .5 seconds have been observed." | 21:59 |
| kerio | ZOMG | 21:59 |
| kerio | A FULL HALF SECOND | 21:59 |
| kerio | anyway, you need uncompressed stuff | 22:00 |
| kerio | freemangordon: run stuff directly from a storage device | 22:01 |
| kerio | without copying it in ram first | 22:01 |
| freemangordon | yeah, i read it | 22:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: it means CPU runs program text off storage directly, rather than load it to RAM and execute from there | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | big difference between NAND and NOR flash for booting | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | NOR can do XIP, NAND can't, afaik | 22:44 |
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| fw190 | DocScrutinizer05: ping | 23:10 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: why is that? | 23:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | fw190: pong | 23:39 |
| fw190 | howdy | 23:39 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | kerio: somesth about addressing | 23:39 |
| fw190 | I'm trying to give LXDE a shot | 23:40 |
| fw190 | but don't know hwich one to choose from http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=LXDE&baseproject=openSUSE%3A12.2&exclude_debug=true | 23:40 |
| fw190 | any suggestions | 23:41 |
| fw190 | I did zypper install lxde-common | 23:43 |
| fw190 | but when I pick it up wle boot nothing happens | 23:43 |
| fw190 | blinks a fewa times and I get back to the password area | 23:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | fw190: yes, I suggest you open yast, click on "insatll/remove software", enter lxde to search, and install lxdm or something like that | 23:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh, you need to check "description" | 23:45 |
| fw190 | there are a few meta packages | 23:46 |
| fw190 | and a bunch of other ones | 23:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, under "pkg-groups", "windows managers, others" also no LXDE, but a lot of other wm | 23:49 |
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| fw190 | this is strange | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry I have no idea who's packaging this LXDE and what's supposed to be in that metapackage | 23:50 |
| fw190 | there is gnome, xgce kde but no lxde | 23:50 |
| fw190 | ah | 23:50 |
| fw190 | ok | 23:50 |
| fw190 | will try to pester google for it | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'd have thought if you install LXDM (display manager) it will pull in all other needed stuff as dependency | 23:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lxsession, lxde-common, dunno | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just install them all in yast | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and see what that gives you | 23:54 |
| fw190 | ok | 23:54 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | just don't forget to check upper four checkboxes under searchstring entry | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | btw lxde-patterns-opensuse pulled in quite a number of other stuff | 23:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | patterns-opensuse-lxde actaully | 23:58 |
| merlin1991 | bah where did my mea fw image go | 23:59 |
| merlin1991 | ~lart my backup scheme | 23:59 |
| * infobot pushes the wall down onto my backup scheme whilst whistling innocently | 23:59 | |
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