| DocScrutinizer51 | lol | 00:01 |
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| DocScrutinizer51 | Caesar got murdered in a rather unhealthy way | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | along that line? | 00:01 |
| kerio | 70% of doctors agree, dying is unhealthy | 00:02 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | online ordering too. Got paper spam | 00:25 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/m/maemo-launcher/maemo-launcher_0.35-7+0m5.tar.gz README et al | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >>Integrating the maemo-launcher painlessly | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ========================================= | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | These are the detailed changes needed to add support for the new maemo-launcher. [...] | 01:18 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: should we actually encourage the use of maemo-launcher? | 01:57 |
| kerio | it only works properly for gtk programs, anyway | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | why not? | 01:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh?` | 01:57 |
| kerio | because it's ugly | 01:57 |
| kerio | hmm, actually i think it can also load qt programs | 01:57 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: there's already a system in place to load libraries and run binaries | 01:58 |
| kerio | it's the kernel | 01:58 |
| kerio | and ld.so or whatever | 01:58 |
| kerio | also, isn't maemo-launcher the one that overrides $DISPLAY? | 01:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | >> The only current useful booster module is for gtk, with an option to link against the hildon library to speedup symbol resolving. This module preinitializes components like pango and cairo.<< | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err yeah, environment passing might be a tricky resp borked aspect | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ((>> The only current useful booster module is for gtk,)) thought I've read about 3 booster modules suported, somewhere and some time during last hour | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: >>TODO list * Pass environment from maemo-invoker to the launcher? << | 02:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: so you're absolutely right about $DISPLAY not taking effect when passed to launcherized apps | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since the *.launch binary executes in maemo-launcher environment, while environment passed to maemo-invoker goes unnoticed | 02:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there might however be a way: pass proper $DISPLAY to maemo-launcher 'daemon', which will make *all* laucherized apps open on the new X server display | 02:16 |
| merlin1991 | only that this bitch starts early and runs forever | 02:16 |
| merlin1991 | so you'd have to restart it | 02:16 |
| merlin1991 | hm what is ususally the tool to read / write the rtc on linux? | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yup, or start a second insatnce, and divert the socket on a per-case basis | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hwclock? | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even on maemo | 02:19 |
| merlin1991 | ah it's even in /sbin, time to find out why my clock is off by ages after each reboot | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | take care about etc/adjfile! | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | usually you want to invoke hwclock --noadjfile, but that doesn't exist on friggin bb-hwclock | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so I dunno if bb always or never uses /etc/adjtime | 02:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (or whatever the friggin name) | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | omfg | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | hwclock -w --> hwclock: RTC_SET_TIME: Permission denied | 02:23 |
| merlin1991 | and yeah fsckd harm | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HARM fun? | 02:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on HARM you'll have much fun accessing RTC | 02:25 |
| merlin1991 | yeah, I've compiled openrdate to have a single ntp client to set the time when I feel like, but it doesn't set the RTC properly so I loose the setting after each reboot | 02:25 |
| merlin1991 | now I'll have to find out *how* the control panel ui does it and see how I hack that support in | 02:26 |
| merlin1991 | and ofc oauth --> twitter depends on the fact, that the system time is almost right | 02:27 |
| arcean | branoc | 02:28 |
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| merlin1991 | "branoc" ? | 02:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: I guess some friggin binary has proper tokens or whatever the name, on this abomination claiming to be a linux | 02:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so it has "allowed to access RTC dev file" in its list, and "you" don't | 02:31 |
| merlin1991 | well I am past aegis so I'll get that token aswell :) | 02:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure thing then | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just run under devel-su or develsh or the fsck knows | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and hwclock should work | 02:32 |
| merlin1991 | devel-su is not enough | 02:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | opensh or errr, meh ... I hate HARM | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aegis bullshit steals 80% of devel's productive time, to invent workarounds and shit that create more vulnerabilities than ever been in "everything is root"-openmoko SHR distro | 02:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly they fucked linux so terribly with aegis in HARM, it hurts to just think about it | 02:39 |
| merlin1991 | okay I need timed:TimeControl | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | isn't there something like the golden lemon or the slimy brown morel award for Linux ass-rapers? | 02:41 |
| merlin1991 | wtf is timed | 02:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | another nokia invention, I guess | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably HARM's flavour of alarmd plus some additional cruft | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I guess system-clock might not work all that flawless on a device with zeroclock, so instead of fixing some kernel functions, maybe they invented timed | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on SHR/FSO I investigated an incredibly stupid scheme used in time management to survive suspend: on suspend it calculated the time difference between systemclock and rtc, and adjusted systemclock to rtc+offset on resume *GHUALP* | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | even worse, it somehow messes up stuff terribly in that process, adding an ever increasing offset of several tens of seconds on each suspend/resume cycle | 02:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and of course, as icing on top, it didn't refrain from ultimate stupidity and stored system time to rtc on shutdown | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (btw an extremely popular stupidity done on, I guess, 90% of desktop linus distros as well, by default) | 02:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | linux* | 02:57 |
| merlin1991 | hwclock should only be set to system clock after system clock has been synced with a proper timesource in my book | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just that usually desktop linux even includes adjtime file into the madness, so punishment on RTC for supposed systemic error increases each boot, until your system comes up with time set to 20.1.1613 one time, and to 4.7.2755 next time | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: EXACTLY | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I publicly blamed Suse devels and dunno whom else for fucking up that stuff | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still you usually see etc7init.d/hwclock which does hwclock --systohc on shutdown, and of course recalculates systemic error based on RTC running on a totally off time it got set to during last boot when last systemic error correction kicked in, while systemclock got adjusted meanwhile to correct time | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I usually "fixed" that mess by neutering etc/adjtime, replacing hwclock by a wrapper adding --noadjfile to each call to hwclock, and a wrapper to date that invoked date and hwclock --systohc when date got invoked to set time | 03:07 |
| merlin1991 | hm even with the timed:TimeControl permission I can't access the rtc | 03:08 |
| merlin1991 | I guess I'll have to use the timed api, fu nokia | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meanwhile: https://gitorious.org/opensuse/aaa_base/blobs/336db0a714e4ff0d866ddc76cb911b8ca87a2c79/files/etc/init.d/boot.clock#line207 | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | while mine looks like: http://pastebin.ca/2204004 | 03:16 |
| merlin1991 | oh ffs there QmTime api is bullcrap, there is a method to set both system and rtc time, but no method to sync the rtc with the system time | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha, hahahaha, haha | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so x=gettime(); QmTime.settime(x) | 03:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | introduce scew a few ms each single time you run that | 03:20 |
| merlin1991 | yeah I'm just wondering if I should patch the QmTime::setTime call into openrdate, (which currently has no qt dependency whatsoever) or should write an own binary which does what you wrote | 03:20 |
| merlin1991 | hm own binary is faster, nfc how to get qt support into something built by autotools | 03:24 |
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| merlin1991 | http://paste.debian.net/189754/ | 03:37 |
| merlin1991 | hm could get rid of line #2 | 03:37 |
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| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: as i said, maemo-launcher is crap | 10:47 |
| kerio | *maemo-invoker? | 10:47 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: why crap? | 12:14 |
| kerio | freemangordon: because if i'm launching a program i expect it to be launched where i am, with my environment, under my terminal and in my process group | 12:15 |
| kerio | not "somewhere else" | 12:15 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: can you add labels to community-thumb and community-devel? | 13:23 |
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| kerio | merlin1991: also, do you pay for bandwidth on merlin1991.at? | 13:28 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: well, if that's crap, then it's not alone | 15:22 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: crap is a question of defining your requirements | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably for the requirements defined for it, the maemo-launcher is not all that bad | 15:31 |
| kerio | are we even sure it speeds up the startup of programs? | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yes | 15:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and not only that, afaik it even reduces memory footprint | 15:33 |
| kerio | but... shared objects are already shared! | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eh? | 15:33 |
| kerio | there aren't multiple copies of gtk in memory | 15:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: who would share them for you? | 15:33 |
| kerio | are there? | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are (usually dynamically, but still) linked libraries | 15:34 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I don't think any .so is really shared in memory | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they are shared on storage | 15:35 |
| kerio | hm | 15:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I might be wrong, but then I have to be terribly wrong | 15:36 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui in the end it's a file handle (on some very very low level) that opens the *.so and reads (parts of) it into memory for the process to run the code | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | maemo-launcher shares that filehandle | 15:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, it probably even shares the pointer table that points to shared mamory where the .so got loaded | 15:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | that's the whole point of "early binding" resp "preloading" the libs | 15:39 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders how the maemo-launcher incarnation/instance after the fork() will get rid of the program text of the launched binary. Must do some free(), or dlclose(), tricky | 15:42 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway the "add --exec parameter, for launching normal binaries" (in maemo-launcher ToDo list) sounds like something worth evaluating | 15:44 |
| kerio | wtf is run-standalone.sh? | 15:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a script setting up some $env you need for "normal" processes to run cleanly | 15:46 |
| kerio | i see | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | e.g session-bus | 15:46 |
| kerio | i might be repeating myself, but fremantle is a fucking mess | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you could think of it like a ueber-"su user" | 15:47 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather "su - user --command='sudo gainroot'" | 15:50 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: no I only pay the monthly fee for the server, though if the bandwidth usage in 1 month goes over 100GB I have to tell them that I'm really not running p2p stuff on the box :D | 15:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 15:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 15:58 |
| kerio | k | 15:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: lol, welcome next my door with your server ;-D | 16:00 |
| kerio | please add a label to the repo so i can properly pin cssu-θ without pinning cssu-d | 16:00 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: somehow your sentence does not compute | 16:00 |
| kerio | merlin1991: your servers are probably geographically close or something like that | 16:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 6: hos-tr2.ex3k1.rz10.hetzner.de | 16:00 |
| kerio | oh, hoppily close | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | probably is less than 3000m away from me | 16:01 |
| kerio | oh, it's in germany? | 16:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | could try to find out where's hetzner's rz10 | 16:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway you also could parse this statement according to | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 6: hos-tr2.ex3k12.rz12.hetzner.de 112.210ms | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 7: gagarin.andromedalabs.de 114.293ms | 16:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 8: lagrange.cloud-7.de 116.337ms reached | 16:03 |
| merlin1991 | hm I gotta check if hetzner has a better server option these days | 16:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or like >> time ssh docscr@maemo.cloud-7.de wget merlin1991.at/some_few_GB_file --> real: 0m0.500s << | 16:06 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | i'm pondering a move to server4you | 16:07 |
| kerio | host everything on S3 | 16:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | central services (aka andromeda-labs) is too expensive | 16:08 |
| kerio | and provide multiple mirrors across the world | 16:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: https://www.server4you.de/ | 16:11 |
| ThreeM | ovh.net | 16:12 |
| merlin1991 | holy shit | 16:12 |
| ThreeM | better known as: Bittorrent spreading rz | 16:13 |
| merlin1991 | one time payment of 150€ for the server | 16:13 |
| merlin1991 | (server4you) | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | huh? | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | wtf are you looking for? | 16:14 |
| merlin1991 | the dedicated servers on server4you all have: Einrichtungsgebühr€ 149,00 oder € 10,00/Monat | 16:14 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oh shit! | 16:14 |
| ThreeM | look over ovh.net. there are cheap. or if shared hosting is enoght, ueberspace.de | 16:17 |
| merlin1991 | hm I could get the same specs but 24gb ram instead of 8 for the same price and no one time payment on hetzner | 16:17 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | duh? | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | merlin1991: which offer? | 16:20 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: the new ex 5 dedicated server from hetzner is pretty much the same thing I have (same cpu same hdd space, ...) but it has 3 times the ram | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aah | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I thought same offer like server4you | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hetzner is stingy with their storage | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 750GB raid-1 c'mon | 16:25 |
| merlin1991 | ex4 has 3tb raid1 | 16:26 |
| merlin1991 | but only 16gb ram :D | 16:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | for a server costing 60€/month I'd expect at very least 2TB | 16:26 |
| merlin1991 | hm I wonder how hard it is with hetzner to move to a new server | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I probably could help there, I know a (now ex-)hetzer-service dude | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but basically it shouldn't be hard at all | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | they should even do the migration for you, basically you don't notice anything except sudden change in hw specs | 16:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui | 16:28 |
| merlin1991 | hm then they'd have to resize my partitions though | 16:29 |
| merlin1991 | since it would pounce from 750gb to 3 tb :D | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sure | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or rather, you have to do that | 16:30 |
| merlin1991 | yeah they probably just dd the image over and tell you to claim the additional space if you feel like | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | try to catch user sid on #maemo or #openmoko | 16:30 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or generally on freenode | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ask him if he's Imi from Hetzner and knows Joerg | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm not sure he registered as sid | 16:32 |
| merlin1991 | hm when did I add the thumb repo to my server, since the 9th of july my daily traffic jumped to about 4 gb from basically nothing | 16:34 |
| freemangordon | hehe | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | lol | 16:35 |
| merlin1991 | hm the thumb folder is from 11th of may | 16:36 |
| merlin1991 | let's find the tmo post | 16:36 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 mumbles about 50€ and "steep still" | 16:36 | |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: what version to put on dosfstools | 16:36 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: keep the version, we have the same cruft in -testing and there we're not going to go mental unless we want to add an epoch | 16:37 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:37 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly wonders if he should feel responsible for inclusion of dosfstools | 16:37 | |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: and what is the problem with dosfstools? | 16:37 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | I hope nothing | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | just feel in a mood to "sum up my life" | 16:38 |
| kerio | merlin1991: what? | 16:38 |
| kerio | we have to fix the version, dammit | 16:38 |
| freemangordon | you hope? ubuntu upstream version, sitting in testing for half an year or so and you *hope*? | 16:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ok, I'm not even thinking anything. Better? | 16:39 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: relax, the version of dosfstools even does what it should reagarding to original plan, because there is only 1 - | 16:39 |
| freemangordon | much better :) | 16:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | oiaeunzeqoibc oieqnuc1poe | 16:39 |
| kerio | freemangordon: remember to use +, anywy | 16:39 |
| kerio | anyway | 16:39 |
| merlin1991 | what a coincidence, post from freemangordon about thumb is from the 11th of july | 16:40 |
| freemangordon | which one? | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=84829 | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | the very first in the thread :D | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still no story why 4GB/d need download | 16:40 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer05: yeah, it's kinda odd | 16:41 |
| merlin1991 | maybe I should enable the http logs again | 16:41 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yep | 16:41 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: it's june | 16:41 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: shit you're right | 16:41 |
| * merlin1991 headdesks | 16:41 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | somebody drawing daily mirrors? | 16:42 |
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| merlin1991 | unlikely, the complete thumb repo only has 1.4 gb | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | with brute force wget? | 16:42 |
| merlin1991 | thumb + devel would be 2.5 gb | 16:42 |
| merlin1991 | logfiles it is | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :nod: | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | never disable any logfiles ;-) | 16:43 |
| merlin1991 | what I don't know about doesn't scare me ;) | 16:44 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly checks maemo.cloud-7 munin | 16:44 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | what are the implications of available entropy ditch? | 16:47 |
| merlin1991 | hm I think I'll let the logs run for a few days and see if I can extract any stats about # of -thumb users | 16:48 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: well, that will make sense once new update is out | 16:49 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: it works now too | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | works? | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | what works? | 16:49 |
| merlin1991 | everythime somebody apt-get updates I have a hit on the Release and Packages.gz file | 16:49 |
| merlin1991 | creating stats | 16:49 |
| freemangordon | aah, you mean HAM's scheduled checks | 16:50 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | also for those funny usrs that are clueless about which repos to enable? | 16:50 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:50 |
| merlin1991 | they do run in the background if you have connectivity | 16:50 |
| merlin1991 | and only a few people have disabled them :) | 16:50 |
| * kerio raises his hand | 16:50 | |
| merlin1991 | kerio: I know :) | 16:50 |
| kerio | D: are you stalking me | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | It seems some have enabled/added repos they really shouldn't, though | 16:51 |
| merlin1991 | nah, you raised your hand when me and Pali talked about the integer overflow related to that time calculation | 16:51 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | quite understandable, given not even me has a complete picture about all the repos around maemo | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | well ofc counting the amount the new mp gets downloaded is a better metric | 16:52 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: when do you think you'll have the new version out? | 16:52 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: will try to be ready today or tomorrow | 16:54 |
| merlin1991 | okay | 16:54 |
| freemangordon | i hope you are available, i'll need your help | 16:54 |
| freemangordon | to cleanup the old versions | 16:54 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 just notices he's obviously wasting a significant part of his life on PC, while RL goes by unnoticed out there | 16:55 | |
| merlin1991 | I'll be around today though not at home after 6CET so expect higher response times :), tomorrow I'll be avaiable for sure | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | seems the "sum up life" background task just finished and the result been alarming | 16:56 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: don't say "wasting" :( | 16:56 |
| freemangordon | well, i'll aim tomorrow then | 16:56 |
| kerio | say "rightfully dedicating" | 16:56 |
| merlin1991 | today is fine aswell, it's just when you say "clean the repo now" I might take up to 30 mins :D | 16:56 |
| freemangordon | ok | 16:56 |
| kerio | merlin1991: when you say clean the repo, you mean... | 16:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnavck | 16:57 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~botsnack | 16:57 |
| infobot | thanks, DocScrutinizer05 | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: remove the old versions so we have no collisions | 16:57 |
| kerio | ok, so remove every package with "-thumb" in the version? | 16:57 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 16:58 |
| kerio | hm, do you have to rebuild packages to fix the version names? | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: you may want to remove alarmd stuff | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | I mean now | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | kerio: guess | 16:58 |
| kerio | no? | 16:58 |
| freemangordon | and the winner is... | 16:59 |
| freemangordon | no,no, not kerio | 16:59 |
| kerio | :( | 16:59 |
| kerio | i never win | 16:59 |
| kerio | freemangordon: hm, isn't alarmd already up to date in your repo? | 17:00 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: actually, why? | 17:00 |
| kerio | oh, the version is +1m5 | 17:00 |
| freemangordon | changed the version | 17:00 |
| kerio | i see | 17:00 |
| freemangordon | it is now +thumb0, was -thumb0 | 17:01 |
| kerio | freemangordon: the current version in -testing is 1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0 | 17:01 |
| kerio | the current one in -thumb is 1.1.16+1m5+0cssu0-thumb0 | 17:01 |
| kerio | is the +1m5 the problem? | 17:01 |
| freemangordon | kerio: are you sure about the version in -testing | 17:03 |
| * merlin1991 checks the version in testing | 17:03 | |
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| * freemangordon too | 17:03 | |
| kerio | freemangordon: yep | 17:03 |
| kerio | but thanks for the trust :c | 17:03 |
| kerio | or lack thereof | 17:03 |
| freemangordon | alarmd (1.1.16+0m5+0cssu0) unstable; urgency=low | 17:04 |
| freemangordon | WTF? | 17:04 |
| kerio | what? | 17:05 |
| freemangordon | that is what is on gitorious | 17:05 |
| kerio | yeah, that's also what's in the repo | 17:05 |
| freemangordon | kerio: where did you get your alarmd from? | 17:06 |
| kerio | your repo! | 17:06 |
| freemangordon | aah, sorry, my fault, i thought you mean the version in -testing | 17:07 |
| kerio | the version in -testing is +0m5, the version in -thumb is +1m5 | 17:07 |
| kerio | and it's weird | 17:07 |
| freemangordon | anyway, i'll do a script with the exact version, so there should be no problem | 17:08 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: nah that's not weird | 17:09 |
| merlin1991 | that's probably "dch -i" going crazy (as usual) | 17:09 |
| merlin1991 | btw kerio thumb now has Suite: community-thumb | 17:09 |
| kerio | ^_^ | 17:10 |
| freemangordon | naah, it is my fault, i raised the version by mistake | 17:10 |
| kerio | freemangordon: anyway, the priority-based approach to version fixing is sound | 17:12 |
| kerio | merlin1991: you could clean up community-devel, btw | 17:32 |
| kerio | the stuff there matches -testing now, right? | 17:32 |
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| kerio | freemangordon: oh dammit | 18:21 |
| kerio | freemangordon: the current metapackage depends on the -thumb versions | 18:22 |
| kerio | hey, why is modest in the metapackage? :( | 18:38 |
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| freemangordon | kerio: could you do ls -al /usr/bin/controlpanel.launch | 19:01 |
| kerio | -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 48108 2012-07-06 17:25 /usr/bin/controlpanel.launch | 19:03 |
| freemangordon | the fuck, 41780 here | 19:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 48108 Apr 11 2011 | 19:06 |
| freemangordon | seems like thumb-compiled, going to check it | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | yeah, thumb saved some 300 bytes ;-D | 19:06 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ooh wait | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | 7k | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | still not enough | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | should something like 20k | 19:07 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: you asked about detail info on *.launch? | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: there's a decent README in the source.tgz | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: I think it could be thumb-compiled | 19:10 |
| freemangordon | int -testing | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | eeeew | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | thank god I didn't get it on my cssu-testing device then, obviously | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | objdump cannot read arch flags :( | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer05: you have it | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or is it like that since Apr 11 2011 ? | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:11 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ffs | 19:12 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 starts to think that thumb SiErr impact is much smaller than we worried | 19:13 | |
| freemangordon | hmm, looks ok in IDA | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | 7k is about 20%, ain't? | 19:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | ~100 - (41780 / 48108)*100 | 19:14 |
| infobot | 13.153737424129 | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | Tag_THUMB_ISA_use: Thumb-1 | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | it is ok | 19:15 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~41780 *1.1315 | 19:16 |
| infobot | 47274.07 | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | err | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ~48108/1.1315 | 19:16 |
| infobot | 42517.012814847549 | 19:16 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 headdesks | 19:16 | |
| kerio | thumb-1 is ok? | 19:17 |
| freemangordon | it stands for "no thumb" :) | 19:17 |
| kerio | aww | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | i am tempted to thumb-compile gzip, half of the HAM slowness is because of it | 19:18 |
| kerio | do it! | 19:18 |
| freemangordon | not no | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | not now | 19:19 |
| kerio | k | 19:19 |
| kerio | merlin1991: hm, is there an easy way for you to only apt-mirror the latest versions of packages in -devel? | 19:20 |
| merlin1991 | yep, it's a single command | 19:20 |
| merlin1991 | I'm only pondering if I should though | 19:21 |
| kerio | -devel's package list is bigger than debian's | 19:21 |
| kerio | and it's ridiculous | 19:21 |
| merlin1991 | I'd need to replace the apt-mirror with reprepro and it should work | 19:21 |
| merlin1991 | apt-mirror always clones everything | 19:22 |
| kerio | oh, reprepro has a way to mirror another repo? | 19:22 |
| merlin1991 | but actually it's a nice idea, to create a reduced repo to speed up ham | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | freemangordon: (gzip) makes perfect sense | 19:22 |
| merlin1991 | kerio: yeah it has, you can even "track" another repo and still have your own stuff on top | 19:24 |
| kerio | hell, i don't get why we have to keep multiple versions on repository.maemo.org | 19:24 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 defines abiguous usage of -devel and -testing a bashable major criminal offense | 19:24 | |
| * kerio proposes cssu-testing-testing as an alternative to cssu-devel | 19:24 | |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: repos on repository.maemo.org hold a shitton of versions of the same package | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | kerio: were you talking about cssu-devel, or extras-devel? | 19:26 |
| kerio | extras-devel | 19:26 |
| kerio | which is mirrored on maemo.merlin1991.at/apt-mirror/extras-devel/ | 19:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I'm pretty much happy with *somebody* keeping an archive of older versions | 19:27 |
| kerio | merlin1991: you heard the doc | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually I asked merlin to do so, while he already did | 19:28 |
| kerio | make two mirrors! | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | shouldn't bee too hard and too space consuming, when you use hardlinks? | 19:29 |
| kerio | freemangordon: the new controlpanel is quicker! | 19:30 |
| kerio | you're a magician! | 19:30 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 idly ponders to waste 50€/month for a proper server with 3TB instead meager 50GB | 19:32 | |
| kerio | freemangordon: hold on, you're using a fancy new compiler, right? | 19:32 |
| kerio | that's why it's faster | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | vserver with 50GB storage: 16 bucks7month, c'mon | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no option for storage upgrade | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :-S | 19:33 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: well, duh | 19:33 |
| kerio | 100GB for 32b/month | 19:33 |
| kerio | on two separate servers | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hell, my N900 has more storage than my server | 19:34 |
| kerio | mine too! :D | 19:34 |
| kerio | not my home server though | 19:34 |
| kerio | on my home server i've got 1TB on a grand total of one (1) hd | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: would you delete h-d from the repo? | 19:40 |
| kerio | aw yiss | 19:45 |
| kerio | motha fuckin blurless | 19:45 |
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| freemangordon | merlin1991: hildon-home too | 20:02 |
| kerio | freemangordon: i keep updating but hildon-desktop is still not there :( | 20:03 |
| freemangordon | kerio: yes, merlin1991 has to clean the old version first | 20:04 |
| kerio | dammit! | 20:04 |
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| kerio | hm, does "User guide" work for anyone? | 21:41 |
| Sicelo | the Application, you mean? | 21:59 |
| Sicelo | meh..it's just links. | 22:00 |
| kerio | Sicelo: yeah, the icon in the hildon launcher | 22:00 |
| kerio | it redirects to swipe.nokia.com here | 22:01 |
| kerio | which is hilarious | 22:01 |
| Sicelo | yeah. maemo.nokia.com has been that since N9 | 22:03 |
| Sicelo | but wtf doesn't this icon/shortcut point to the on-device html document? | 22:04 |
| kerio | there isn't one? | 22:06 |
| kerio | there's a pdf guide iirc | 22:06 |
| Sicelo | MyDocs/.documents/User\ Guides/* | 22:08 |
| kerio | hm, that's html? | 22:08 |
| kerio | anyway, i don't have that anymore :3 | 22:08 |
| Sicelo | yup | 22:08 |
| Sicelo | 41.4MB in total, wow | 22:09 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: srry for the long wait, both removed now | 22:14 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: np, remove qt and hildon-status-menu too :) | 22:15 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: both removed | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | thanks | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | I guess it is enough for today, time for some foosball :D | 22:17 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991: the fuck? | 22:21 |
| freemangordon | Preparing to replace libqt4-translations 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6-thumb4 (using .../libqt4-translations_1%3a4.7.4~git20110505+cssu7+thumb0_armel.deb) | 22:21 |
| freemangordon | that counts as an upgrade, I am lost :( | 22:21 |
| kerio | freemangordon: it does | 22:29 |
| kerio | version 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6, debian-release thumb4 | 22:29 |
| kerio | versus version 1:4.7.4~git20110505+cssu6+thumb1, debian release 0 | 22:29 |
| kerio | oh, hell | 22:29 |
| kerio | it's cssu7 now | 22:29 |
| kerio | that's even better | 22:29 |
| freemangordon | kerio: latest in -thumb was cssu6-thumb4 | 22:31 |
| kerio | you're replacing +cssu6 with +cssu7+thumb0 | 22:31 |
| kerio | there's not an issue if there's no "-" before "-thumb" | 22:31 |
| freemangordon | I am replacing cssu6-thumb4 with cssu7+thumb0 | 22:31 |
| kerio | yep | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | that is why am lost | 22:32 |
| kerio | there's not an issue if there's no "-" before "-thumb" | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | but there is | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | in old version | 22:32 |
| kerio | i literally meant a "-" **before** "-thumb" | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | aah, i got it | 22:32 |
| freemangordon | but but, we don't have problem then and I don't need to make scripts | 22:33 |
| kerio | freemangordon: otoh, hildon-desktop *has* that problem :) | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | kerio: besides h-d | 22:33 |
| kerio | alarmd also has that problem | 22:33 |
| freemangordon | hmm, yeah | 22:33 |
| kerio | and all the packages it's not prompting me to update, because of the stupid metapackage | 22:33 |
| kerio | (there are 5 so far) | 22:34 |
| freemangordon | anyway, I am too tired now, will continue tomorrow | 22:34 |
| * freemangordon is going to find some bar | 22:35 | |
| freemangordon | night | 22:35 |
| kerio | freemangordon: so far, alarmd, hildon-desktop, hildon-home, hildon-status-menu, libalarm2 | 22:35 |
| kerio | but really, it's no big deal, just pin community-thumb with 1001 priority and apt-get upgrade :) | 22:36 |
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| kerio | hm, wtf is turbo, in the [blur] section of transitions.ini? | 22:41 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: ^ | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hmm? | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | asking ME? | 22:43 |
| kerio | sure, you seem knowledgeable enough | 22:43 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | haha | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nfc, ask amiconn | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | arcean? | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | nah, ask MATAN! | 22:45 |
| kerio | wtf is "is_cool" in [notification] | 22:45 |
| kerio | why is that even a thing | 22:45 |
| kerio | i don't even | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry, I never had a glimpse at all that transition crap | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | prolly since I always considered transitions useless ;-P | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | or do they help me get my job done? | 22:47 |
| kerio | heh | 22:52 |
| kerio | i'm trying to remove as much eyecandy as possible | 22:52 |
| kerio | oh god, lol | 22:54 |
| kerio | DocScrutinizer05: http://i.imgur.com/EkIz8.png | 22:55 |
| kerio | i don't even know what happened here | 22:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | :shrug: | 22:56 |
| kerio | why is it red? | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | I've seen weirder effects ;-P | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | like double pictures of same icon | 22:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | looked like screen being a shakey photo of itself ;-P | 22:57 |
| * DocScrutinizer05 blames ovi.share for dicontinued service :-S | 22:58 | |
| DocScrutinizer05 | first those assholes force you on OVI ("this is an OVI device..."), then they discontinue that very service after less than 2 yyears | 22:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HELL, MORONS! what if I bought the N900 just because of your fsckning awesome ovi-share? | 23:00 |
| kerio | to be fair that's incredibly unlikely xD | 23:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | still possible | 23:00 |
| kerio | how do i extract a single file with tar? | 23:01 |
| kerio | i'm restoring my old transitions.ini | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | RTFM? | 23:01 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tar has a fine manpage | 23:02 |
| kerio | hah, just found a bug in the HAM that kills apt-worker when it exits | 23:02 |
| kerio | HAM is not the only one that uses apt-worker | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | o.O | 23:02 |
| kerio | open a picture, share, share with service, update list (or something) | 23:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | O.O | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | WUT? | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | meh, I'll miss time window for dinner again | 23:03 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | which is kinda unfortunate since I had no breakfast or lunch yet | 23:04 |
| kerio | ok, backupmenu saves the day again | 23:07 |
| kerio | nice extraction, A++ would extract again | 23:07 |
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