IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Wednesday, 2012-08-08

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kerioD: nobody cares about bugs in CSSU!00:23
kerioD: D: D:00:23
kerioDocScrutinizer05: ping00:24
kerio~seen pali00:24
infobotpali <~pali@unaffiliated/pali> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo-ssu, 4d 14h 9m 38s ago, saying: 'jonwil has some more info about format'.00:25
kerio:s00:25
kerio4 days without pali00:25
DocScrutinizer05kerio: I'm on the run00:25
keriowhy, what did you do?00:25
DocScrutinizer05have to play snailmail dude00:32
DocScrutinizer05kerio: maybe *you* messed up your sudoers.d ?00:33
kerioDocScrutinizer05: nope00:33
keriothe problem is that /usr/libexec/apt-worker in /etc/sudoers.d/hildon-application-manager.sudoers doesn't work if apt-worker is a symlink00:34
kerioi think00:34
kerioyeah, it's because of that00:34
keriosudo resolves the symlink and then fails00:34
kerioor, in my case, asks a password00:34
DocScrutinizer05well, probably links needs to satisfy some security preconditions to be allowed as target in sudoers00:35
keriofix: /etc/sudoers.d/community-ssu-enabler.sudoers with "ALL = NOPASSWD: /usr/libexec/apt-worker-cssu.sh" in it00:35
DocScrutinizer05otherwise each fritz could redirect the symlink to whatever he likes00:35
keriono, it's just that sudo checks the target of the symlink instead of the symlink00:36
DocScrutinizer05sounds kinda sane as well00:36
DocScrutinizer05I guess CSSU QA has still a looong way to perfection ;-P00:37
DocScrutinizer05cya00:37
DocScrutinizer05ping merlin1991 about it00:37
keriomerlin1991: ping00:38
keriodone00:38
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merlin1991kerio: err why the fuck do you need sudo on the enabler when you have already the symlink?01:03
merlin1991that should be post running the enabler01:03
merlin1991also "resolved wontfix" since the symlink is going away with the next update of the enabler01:04
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DocScrutinizer05yo merlin199101:43
merlin1991yo Doc01:45
DocScrutinizer05so much for being on vacation01:45
DocScrutinizer05ffs01:45
DocScrutinizer05today my boss phoned me and then complained in a mail that he couldn't reach me01:46
merlin1991lol01:47
DocScrutinizer05then they sent me new employment contract per *email* and asked me to sign it immediately01:48
DocScrutinizer05or rather, sign as soon as I feel I want my money for last month01:48
DocScrutinizer05so much for being on vacation, said it before01:49
merlin1991wtf?01:49
merlin1991they can force you a new contract, but you should have your money for last month01:49
merlin1991what kind of weird employment do you have?01:49
DocScrutinizer05*i* know01:49
DocScrutinizer05slavery01:50
DocScrutinizer05modern IT slavery aka consulting01:50
DocScrutinizer05volkstuemlich "Zeitarbeit", vornehm "Arbeitnehmenrueberlassung"01:51
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DocScrutinizer05a quite usual unusual event affecting whole company creates some sound rationale why we'd need new contracts01:53
DocScrutinizer05thenew contract looks like the old one, except some addr change01:54
DocScrutinizer05and start of contract 1.9.2013 :-S01:55
DocScrutinizer05err 201201:55
DocScrutinizer05in 3 weeks01:55
DocScrutinizer05but I'm already an employee for that company since 9 months01:56
DocScrutinizer05real fun in holiday01:56
DocScrutinizer05tomorrow I prolly need to find an atorney01:57
DocScrutinizer05+t01:57
DocScrutinizer05a friend told me usual way is to sign a "Aenderungskuendigung" and new contract same time, even maybe same paper01:58
merlin1991well in order to have a valid Änderungskündigung they need some really pressing matters01:59
DocScrutinizer05moving Nuernberg -> Zuerich prolly is such a valid reason01:59
DocScrutinizer05even while I have a side letter acknowledging the contract is a follow-up to a previously existing one, it's a printout of a pdf only, while they expect me to sign on paper, so the new contract in their hands is worth more than the side letter in mine02:04
DocScrutinizer05"Mr DocS works for us since 1.9.2012, here is the contract signed by him"  "but, but, I got your written acknowledgement of this being a contract change for addr update of a contract existing since 9 months longer, on this... this... printout of my lasterprinter"02:08
DocScrutinizer05the kind of holiday I deeply adore02:10
merlin1991yep, sounds like my dream holiday02:10
* DocScrutinizer05 just found a tinyurl on wiki/mer/awareness and sighs02:28
DocScrutinizer05what friggin reason could you have to use tinyurl in a wikipage link that's a <a href> anyway02:29
DocScrutinizer05and who the stinking hell is paying me for all that stuff?02:30
DocScrutinizer05probably the payment is the mere posession of those 4 awesome devices02:31
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lufFinally I rewrite PBAP call history using async calls. This doesn't need patching some core parts of obexd :) I'll test some IrMC patch and then I'll try to port the meego messages support :)03:41
DocScrutinizer05great03:41
DocScrutinizer05even though I don't seem me buying a car where I could use it :-)03:42
DocScrutinizer05http://www.totobay.com/original-uem-ic-for-nokia-x3-x6-7230-n900-e72-4376047_p25848.html  WTF?03:42
lufDocScrutinizer05: Just a question - this obexd enhancing is welcome in cssu? Or it's also againist minimalistic bug fixing?03:46
DocScrutinizer05enhancements limited to one subsystem are low risk and easy to debug. So no major issues with obex AIUI03:47
DocScrutinizer05what would be worst case? obex not working anymore? Any luser can tell03:48
lufOk. I see. Thanks.03:48
DocScrutinizer05as long as it doesn't collide with anything else we got03:49
DocScrutinizer05s/collide/conflict/03:49
infobotDocScrutinizer05 meant: as long as it doesn't conflict with anything else we got03:49
DocScrutinizer05luf: this is a userland lib, no?03:49
DocScrutinizer05or daemon03:50
lufIt's userland daemon.03:50
DocScrutinizer05low risk, since I gather it's not entangled with rest of system03:50
lufIt support more protocols for bluetooth (ftp, pbap, ...)03:50
DocScrutinizer05we updated ke-recv and whatnot else. As long as impact is immediately detectable and easy to assign to the particular patch, we simply can roll back03:51
lufAlso obexd is used for PC suite mode (sync with win etc).03:52
DocScrutinizer05patches to things like foundation libs, core middleware like dbus, or even kernel itself are impossible to "debug" resp analyze by lusers. Not even devels have an easy time to understand the symptoms of e.g dbus dropping 1 of 50 msgs03:53
DocScrutinizer05luf: if you think risk management, elaborate on fields of impact your patch possibly has (and why, and why not on others), you already sold your stuff03:55
lufOk. I'm glad that my work on obexd is welcome in cssu.03:56
lufIt's always hard to say + and -. I fixed some bugs and add some features but I have no clue how many bugs I add :)03:56
DocScrutinizer05if you even can deliver a expert howto-debug, like "monitor fubar-xy process for constant mem usage, any new memleak will show there. check power consumption during usecase X (should be somewhat higher due to BT/IR-LED) and watch power during obex-off in settings (mustn't differ to system without this patch)...  etc" you're the king03:58
lufI'm going to sleep. I have to wake up in 4 hours ...03:59
lufAnd for sure I'm the latest slave :D03:59
DocScrutinizer05:-D03:59
DocScrutinizer05have a nice rest03:59
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keriomerlin1991: because it doesn't fucking work on the symlink?09:54
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marmistrzHi16:26
marmistrzI compiled newer sqlite3 for Maemo16:26
marmistrzI'd like to get it included in CSSU16:26
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marmistrzWhat should I do to have it included in CSSU?16:28
marmistrzOn tmo I announced it here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=8558716:29
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keriomarmistrz: does it provide benefits?16:32
marmistrzIt seems to be a bit faster, e.g. with conversations, but not all users notice that. It's required for libaccounts-glib from Harmattan16:33
kerioask freemangordon to thumb-compile it16:35
kerioso at least it's included with cssu-thumb16:35
keriowhich seems more and more the "experimental" branch, i suppose16:35
marmistrzIt's been tested by a couple of users and no problems were reported16:36
keriooh god, don't say that out loud here16:38
kerioD:16:38
tadzik(:16:38
marmistrzwhy?16:42
keriobecause of the one who scrutinizes16:45
Lava_CroftThere's a somewhat immature and overly emotional guy in this channel who might go ape-poopoo over saying such things16:45
marmistrzwho?16:46
tadzikI think there may be a reason why the name didn't come up yet16:47
* Lava_Croft chuckles16:47
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marmistrzMany people tested it, i.e. me (used N900 with my build of sqlite3 for 3 weeks), Raimu, Acurus_, sifo, SeT and no one report problems. I don't get the reason.16:50
Lava_CroftTechnically speaking, having 5 people test it is hardly a solid testcase16:51
Lava_CroftI think people tried to save you from a certain guy raging on you:)16:51
marmistrzwho was to rage on me?16:52
Lava_CroftI dont know!16:52
tadzik:)16:52
Lava_Croft(I do but i wont tell!)16:52
marmistrz;)16:52
kerioQbpFpehgvavmre (in rot13)16:52
tadzikmarmistrz: my understanding is that cssu is more about improving stability than about bringing shiny new stuff that "yeah, was tested"16:52
Lava_Crofthaha16:52
Lava_Crofttadzik: thats why someone suggested cssu-thumb16:53
tadzikand if you do not agree than you may bring firestorm upon thyself ;)16:53
tadzikLava_Croft: right16:53
Lava_Croftand i think there's a cssu-devel too?16:53
marmistrzit's what I just wanted to suggest :)16:53
tadzikI thought cssu-devel is a step before csuu-testing16:53
tadzikwhich in turn is a step before cssu-stable16:53
Lava_CroftMaking cssu-devel a fitting place to start testing it:)16:53
tadzikbut I may be wrong; I've been already proved wrong here once or twice :)16:53
marmistrzLava_Croft: (about rot13 text) - :)16:55
Lava_CroftI didnt post it! :)16:56
kerio(:16:56
tadzikI was sort of expecting marmistrz to say "oh, <decoded text>!"16:57
Lava_Crofthah16:57
keriotadzik: i was *hoping* for that16:57
tadzik:>16:57
marmistrz;)16:57
Lava_CroftToo bad he is too smart!16:57
tadzikwhere's this reaction gif...16:57
Lava_Croft(for you)16:57
Lava_CroftWe need a special for this person16:57
marmistrz;)16:57
Lava_CroftSo you can just link that in the future16:57
tadzikhttp://i.imgur.com/I6GSf.gif this one ;)16:57
marmistrz;)16:58
Raimu-XI was under the impression a newer sqlite3, since you can't just put it into extras because it replaces an important package.16:58
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kerioRaimu-X: it's definetely cssu material if they decide to put it in16:58
keriotadzik: that was exactly my reaction16:59
RaimuI mean, it's not necessary to include it into the metapackage.16:59
kerioRaimu: it would still upgrade it16:59
keriocssu is supposed to be fire-and-forget, especially for non-techie users16:59
kerio...although i suppose that HAM won't upgrade it...17:00
tadzik...not in the first 40 minutes at least...17:00
jon_ywhy'd a non-technical user use an N900? :)17:00
Raimu\o/17:00
jon_yiphone ipad galaxynote...17:00
Lava_CroftI know a ton of technical people that use Apple stuff! :P17:01
jon_ywell, thats not the point17:01
Lava_CroftIm not technical, I love my n900 :P17:02
jon_yyou had to consciously choose an old bulky phone over the stylish new phone17:02
Lava_CroftMatter of usability17:02
jon_ydem new phones so thin17:02
Lava_CroftI need weight and size to my phones:)17:03
jon_yso thin it promotes bad dieting :)17:03
Lava_CroftOr else i just break em17:03
tadzik+117:03
Lava_CroftGalaxy Nexus was horrible with that17:03
tadzikmaybe not break, but I'll be afraid all the time17:03
keriojon_y: CSSU is for long term support17:03
Lava_CroftI broke the backcover the first time i pulled it off17:03
tadziklike with a Kindle. Constant fear17:03
keriothere's quality analysis!17:03
jon_ykerio: I was very much joking about not catering to non-tech users17:03
Lava_CroftD O H :)17:03
kerioand that's why community-ssu-enabler has a really nasty bug that prevents HAM from working outright if you don't have passwordless sudo enabled for everything17:04
kerio-.-17:04
jon_ywhat could go wrong with sqlite upgrade anyway?17:06
tadzikALL THE THINGS :)17:07
keriofreemangordon: upgrade pls17:08
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freemangordonmarmistrz: ping merlin1991 for sqlite3, he is one of the maintainers of CSSU and usualy is available18:08
freemangordonmerlin1991: ping18:08
merlin1991freemangordon: pong18:08
freemangordon<marmistrz> I compiled newer sqlite3 for Maemo18:09
freemangordon<marmistrz> I'd like to get it included in CSSU18:09
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marmistrzI already contacted merlin199118:09
marmistrzand he said he's quite busy right now18:09
freemangordonmarmistrz: ok :)18:09
merlin1991yep :)18:09
freemangordonmarmistrz: well, you have to wait then :P18:09
merlin1991I'll look into tomorrow, when I'm done ruining my arms by doing construction work :D18:10
freemangordondoing what?18:10
freemangordonaren't you a SW developer :P18:10
merlin1991yeah but I do have a semi ready flat that needs more electrical wireing, warm water and other stuff :D18:10
merlin1991that's my style of a vacation, working on my flat xD18:11
freemangordonhmm,a SW guy with a screwdriver18:11
freemangordon:D18:11
merlin1991and hammer, chisel, percussion drill, ...18:12
merlin1991:D18:12
lufmerlin1991: warm watter for what these days? :D18:13
merlin1991winter is always near ;)18:13
lufOk but axe is enough in winter :D18:13
merlin1991luf: well the main reason to restructure some walls is the cat5 ethernet cable that goes into the walls ;)18:15
lufSure. that sounds like must to have (not like warm water).18:16
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keriomerlin1991: :C18:43
keriowhy not cat6?18:43
keriowhy do you hate the future? :(18:43
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merlin1991because cat5 is good enough for gigabit ethernet :D18:47
kerio**the future**18:53
keriogigE has better be the present18:53
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merlin1991well around here 100mbit is the highest of feelings ;)18:55
kerioi can't feel to this!19:06
gregoano, no jonwil or pali here.19:07
gregoamerlin1991: I have a patch for the packaging of operator-name-cbs-widget: http://paste.debian.net/182796/ (the result of building the version from git myself)19:08
merlin1991why did you need the shlibs file?19:09
gregoathat's in the changelog :) - otherwise dh_shlibdeps in d/rules (or the dpkg-shlibdeps it calls) fails when it tries to find out which packages the libs are in19:10
merlin1991there's http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libconnui-dev in order to have it owrking19:10
merlin1991s/owrking/working/19:10
infobotmerlin1991 meant: there's http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/libconnui-dev in order to have it working19:10
gregoayup, I built and installed libconnui-dev before19:10
kerioso when is it going to be updated?19:10
kerioi'm awaiting my fix19:11
keriohaving a wrong operator name is annoying19:11
merlin1991kerio: gregoas patch is only about packaging itself19:11
kerioyeah but there's a fix by jonwil to the problem i had19:11
gregoakerio: with the package built from git I didn't get _any_ operator name afer a reboot, just after killall'ing hildon-home. but I haven't tried a second time since ATM it seems to work19:12
gregoakerio: if you are adventurous, I can give you the packages I built from jonwil's git version19:12
keriomeh, i could try19:13
kerioi'd like a proper update though19:13
kerio:s19:13
gregoakerio: if you like: http://info.comodo.priv.at/tmp/operator-name-cbs-widget_3.0+nmu1_armel.deb and http://info.comodo.priv.at/tmp/connui-home-cellular_3.0+nmu1_armel.deb19:14
gregoabut I'd appreciate a proper update too19:14
kerioty19:15
keriowhat's +nmu?19:15
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gregoanon-maintainer upload. debian terminology, sorry :)19:16
kerioi see19:16
keriohrmpf, it's going to be greater than -cssu, isn't it19:16
merlin1991nope19:17
gregoayes, but currently the packages have just 3.0 without any -cssu suffix19:17
merlin1991gregoa: actually 3.0-cssu > than 3.0+$WHATEVER19:17
gregoa(and then it would depend where the -cssu part is. I tend to be confused by the version scheme)19:18
kerioi see19:18
kerioneat19:18
kerio:)19:18
kerioanyway, installed19:19
kerioi have no idea how to test the fix though19:19
merlin1991hm nope 3.0-cssu is > 3.0+$x19:19
merlin1991this is idd19:19
merlin1991s/id/od/19:20
infobotmerlin1991 meant: this is odd19:20
gregoa"dpkg --compare-versions 3.0-cssu gt 3.0+WHATEVER && echo greater" doesn't ech anything19:20
gregoabecause 3.0-cssu means upstream 3.0 and deb revision -cssu, and 3.0+nmu1 means (a higher) upstream 3.0+nmu1 and no deb revision. aka native package.19:21
keriomeh, i'll just uninstall them to upgrade to upstream19:22
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gregoahm, switching from 2g to 3g -> no operator name anymore. same when switching back.22:17
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keriogregoa: yep, same for me23:37
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kerioneat23:39
kerioooh, so connui-home-cellular isn't actually needed?23:44
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kerioi don't need no stinking metapackage!23:53
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