| merlin1991 | ffs, forgot to test keymap when I was @ ke-recv 3.19-14 | 00:00 |
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| * merlin1991 downgrades again | 00:01 | |
| merlin1991 | (we have a bug claiming that keymaps don't work and I have to make sure broken ke-recv is the cause of that) | 00:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | wtf is ℡ | 00:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka echo -e '\xe2\x84\xa1' | 00:12 |
| merlin1991 | no idea :D | 00:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ~xyawn | 00:13 |
| infobot | somebody said xyawn was coffee | 00:13 |
| merlin1991 | missing sym keymap also is an issue with ke-recv, though no idea HOW this is related | 00:14 |
| merlin1991 | 3 bugs closed as duplicate :) | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | same with the confirmed portrait while kbd slide out | 00:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | nfc how it's related to ke-recv and missing MyDocs | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | yeah | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | well maybe some other deamon depeneds on ke-recv and thus does not launch? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess there must be more to this ke-recv bug than just MyDocs missing | 00:15 |
| merlin1991 | anyway, did you update to 3.1? | 00:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | NAH! you're kidding | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | 3.1 is stable :D | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHAHA | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | all bugs reported with 3.0 are fixed with 3.1 :D | 00:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | tell me in a week | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | so you'll wait a week and then decied enough guinea pigs have tried before you? :D | 00:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 00:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all that's my supposed_to_work daily phone | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | my supposed_to_work phone is a n9 :$ | 00:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | *burp* | 00:39 |
| merlin1991 | hey it works great as a phone, I still carry a n900 for other tasks though | 00:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | why can't 3.1 preinst remove the friggin symlink? | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and why has this symlink to get removed manually anyway, while dpkg/whatever should overwrite it? | 00:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | or is it that ke-recv update doesn't even ship that file? | 00:45 |
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| merlin1991 | it ships it | 01:09 |
| merlin1991 | I'm currently investigating as to WHY it doesn't overwrite the symlink | 01:09 |
| merlin1991 | thoug we could add a simple if symlink rm to the ke-recv preinst | 01:10 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: there's nothing to investigate, that's dpkg's behaviour by design. - and I agree that the preinst should test for the version and the symlink and remove it | 01:15 |
| merlin1991 | gregoa: so dpkg ignores symlinks by design? | 01:15 |
| merlin1991 | even if they were part of the previous version of the package | 01:15 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: no, it doesn't replace a symlink with a file or dir | 01:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | (<merlin1991> thoug we could add a simple if symlink rm to the ke-recv preinst) exactly what I said before :-) | 01:17 |
| merlin1991 | true :) | 01:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | gregoa: thanks for shedding some light on this | 01:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it feels terribly odd behaviour for an installer | 01:19 |
| merlin1991 | hm just came across a bunch of bugreports regarding dpkg and symlinks, seems the handling of symlinks in dpkg is weird in genreal | 01:19 |
| merlin1991 | s/genreal/general/ | 01:19 |
| infobot | merlin1991 meant: hm just came across a bunch of bugreports regarding dpkg and symlinks, seems the handling of symlinks in dpkg is weird in general | 01:19 |
| merlin1991 | hm busybox syntax for checking symlinks | 01:20 |
| merlin1991 | I really should bookmark some bash man since I keep forgeting the syntax | 01:21 |
| gregoa | yup, there probably were good reasons, but it leads to some headscratching | 01:22 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: grep \\-L /var/lib/dpkg/info/*inst on any debian/ubuntu machines should give you some examples :) | 01:25 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: http://paste.debian.net/162575/ <- vlc.preinst | 01:27 |
| merlin1991 | thanks | 01:28 |
| gregoa | np | 01:29 |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, conffile | 01:49 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, it's in debian/conffiles | 01:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I wonder how that's a conffile though. How did it manage to become one? | 01:50 |
| gregoa | DocScrutinizer: it's in /etc | 01:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | OMG | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, what he said | 01:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed I'd prefer to see this shellscript in /usr/lib/ke-recv or sth | 01:51 |
| MohammadAG | almost killed myself testing led-event-notifier | 01:51 |
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| MohammadAG | debian/rules could be fixed I suppose | 01:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | SEE????!! the reason it's considered dangerous and forbidden by aegis! X-P | 01:52 |
| MohammadAG | to ignore the file | 01:52 |
| int_ua | looks like I've found a bug in camera-ui in T3.1, anyone here who can try reproduce it? | 01:55 |
| merlin1991 | plenty, shoot | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | scratch my note about moving init.d/ke-recv, it's a perfect initfile | 01:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | another note goes to debian/rules WTF they think are the files in etc/init.d/ | 01:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | CONFIG files?? | 01:57 |
| int_ua | 1. Record small video (2-3 seconds in my case) 2. Push play button in the preview. 3. Close Media Player an return to camera-ui. 4. Press delete button. | 01:58 |
| merlin1991 | int_ua: what's the bug now? | 01:58 |
| merlin1991 | sry :D | 01:58 |
| int_ua | after this camera-ui stays black until I touch the screen | 01:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure you want to keep a copy of old file under /etc/init.d/foobar.dpkold, or even install the new file under /etc/init.d/foobar.dpknew, but only when user changed the old file | 01:59 |
| merlin1991 | int_ua: can not reproduce | 02:00 |
| merlin1991 | when I close the media player and select the camera-ui in the taskswitcher it takes a split second and then I see the livefeed again | 02:00 |
| int_ua | merlin1991: did you deleted this video in the camera-ui? | 02:00 |
| int_ua | s/did/have/ | 02:01 |
| infobot | int_ua meant: merlin1991: have you deleted this video in the camera-ui? | 02:01 |
| merlin1991 | arf | 02:01 |
| * merlin1991 headdesk | 02:01 | |
| merlin1991 | bloody word wrap | 02:01 |
| merlin1991 | trying again :9 | 02:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I think I can confirm | 02:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | seem to remember same thing | 02:02 |
| merlin1991 | hm seems to be related to the settings for preview | 02:03 |
| merlin1991 | I don't even get that chance to delte it because camera-ui is already back to the life feed not showing me the preview page anymore | 02:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, that's what it is supposed to do | 02:03 |
| merlin1991 | I've adjusted the preview settings for don't time out | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | no I'll see what happens | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | sigh, if only somebody could implement stacked process windows in hildon-desktop | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | int_ua: yes you're right | 02:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh | 02:04 |
| merlin1991 | I'll forward this to nicolai | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | if the mediaplayer opens from within camera-ui only for a preview, then pressing the back button should bring you back to camera-ui | 02:04 |
| int_ua | ok, thanks :) Now I can sleep :) | 02:04 |
| MohammadAG | Harmattan and Android work that way | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: obviously | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, pressing back makes the mediaplayer visible with an X button | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | it should be a <- button that brings you back to camera-ui | 02:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | a major PITA and UI designer brainfuck when they missed such stacking thing in fremantle | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | oh and WP7 does it too | 02:06 |
| merlin1991 | int_ua: it's actually also valid if you take a photo | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | it can be implemented | 02:06 |
| MohammadAG | stacking is there | 02:06 |
| merlin1991 | back out of camera-ui somehow | 02:06 |
| merlin1991 | come back and delte it | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'fe encountered it with photo | 02:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | I've | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | I'll give nicolai a proper report an suppose the fix will be in next testing | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | and I'll do that after I've slept or it will be like me last lines here on irc, which would not yield in him unterstanding what I'm writing xD | 02:08 |
| merlin1991 | s/him understanding/him not understanding/ | 02:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I've seen occasional segfaults of cam as well (though can't recall on what action). That's why I'm not that happy with nicocam in CSSU | 02:08 |
| merlin1991 | segfaults --> DUMPS PLEASE :D | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | provide one-click dumphandler install | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 02:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | or wait, maybe I already got it? | 02:10 |
| merlin1991 | gimme a few mins, I'm sure I can get together an .install file | 02:10 |
| merlin1991 | though have fun with ham then ,) | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, a cmdline to c&p is just fine | 02:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy sp-rich-core | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | sp-rich-core: | 02:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | Installed: 1.34+0m5 | 02:12 |
| merlin1991 | you need the fremantle tools repo and sp-rich-core | 02:12 |
| merlin1991 | dumps should be in /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/ | 02:12 |
| int_ua | or on the uSD ;) | 02:13 |
| merlin1991 | yeah or anywhere on /media/mmc*/core-dumps/ | 02:13 |
| int_ua | BTW, I've sent some dumps with this GUI that notifies | 02:14 |
| int_ua | are they anyhow useful? | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | no coredump of camera | 02:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | but: /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/reboot-32wd_to-1102-0-0.rcore.lzo X-P | 02:14 |
| int_ua | I mean Settings - Crash Reporter | 02:14 |
| int_ua | DocScrutinizer: I've got this every third reboot | 02:15 |
| merlin1991 | int_ua: I'm not really sure I understand what you tried to say | 02:15 |
| int_ua | approximately every third | 02:15 |
| int_ua | merlin1991: I've enabled Settings - Crash Reporter - Upload crash reports | 02:17 |
| int_ua | and everything else there | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | nfc where those go | 02:17 |
| merlin1991 | defenitely not to us :D | 02:17 |
| int_ua | and now I have a notification on every new report | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | probably /dev/null on some server | 02:18 |
| int_ua | ... | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# cat /var/lib/dsme/rich-cores/reboot-32wd_to | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4 | 02:18 |
| int_ua | wait, there was a server name somewhere | 02:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | XP | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | LOL | 02:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: nope, server null.dev | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's a virtual server of the internet | 02:20 |
| int_ua | =D | 02:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | the .dev TLD is very little known publicly, but mad useful ;-) | 02:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | they invented it when that guy snatched away the dont-answer.com domain | 02:24 |
| int_ua | this http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/crash-reporter obviously needs more info | 02:25 |
| int_ua | But I've seen the server name somewhere. IIRC it had 5 letters. Maybe starting with N | 02:25 |
| gregoa | n-o-k-i-a? | 02:27 |
| int_ua | XD | 02:27 |
| MohammadAG | nil.us | 02:28 |
| int_ua | got it! | 02:29 |
| int_ua | Receiving server: https://stage.maemo.org/nitro/ | 02:29 |
| int_ua | MohammadAG: Why nil.us? :) I didn't get it, was it a joke too? :) | 02:30 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 02:31 |
| MohammadAG | nitro? | 02:31 |
| merlin1991 | int_ua: I think sanity went over board around /dev/null | 02:31 |
| int_ua | yeah, what is it? who controls it? | 02:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | nitro beats it hands down | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | OT: http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2012/2/24/d3c3a992-cfe1-4e58-b7cc-2c5e34334c57.jpg | 02:32 |
| *** ChanServ changes topic to "Maemo Community Seamless Software Update "CSSU" channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Channel logs: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-ssu-irclog/ | Sources: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/ | Latest version (testing): 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo3.1; (stable): 21.2011.38-1Smaemo3" | 02:33 | |
| merlin1991 | hm how can I tell chanserv to set the topic :D | 02:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/1227619139/ <-nitro | 02:36 |
| int_ua | there is a nice young lady ready to nil you at nil.us :D | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | >>Copyright (C) 2007-2008 Nokia Corporation.<< | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: /msg chanserv help | 02:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | though it's kinda deprecated | 02:37 |
| merlin1991 | ah it knows a topic command | 02:37 |
| MohammadAG | Yeah, /CS topic #maemo-ssu sth | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | depecated for a number of reasons | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | Note that it replaces, rather than appending | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | a) you dunno who has set the topic | 02:38 |
| int_ua | cat: /home/user/nitro.conf: No such file or directory | 02:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | b) max topic length | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | a is the reason I use it really | 02:38 |
| MohammadAG | For such a channel, setting such a topic doesn't really matter | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw WTF?! http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages | 02:39 |
| merlin1991 | sneaky bastard :D | 02:39 |
| MohammadAG | Unless it's a meeting or sth | 02:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | MEH | 02:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | my topic history showing "changed by: chanserv" >:-( | 02:40 |
| int_ua | cat: /usr/share/nitro-settings/nitro.conf: No such file or directory | 02:41 |
| MohammadAG | Which is the only point of using it | 02:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | BS | 02:41 |
| int_ua | cat /usr/share/crash-reporter-settings/crash-reporter.conf | 02:42 |
| int_ua | so we can (?) easily (?) change the server address for some server, available to CSSU developers | 02:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | why not, if you know the format of that protocol | 02:44 |
| MohammadAG | It's open source afaik | 02:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you know the privacy measures needed | 02:44 |
| * merlin1991 feels like setting up a reciver on his sirver | 02:44 | |
| merlin1991 | sirver, lol | 02:44 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I guess, kill ip, extract dump, strip personal data, stash away? | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: which one? ftp? http? foobar? | 02:45 |
| int_ua | I can be the first to send you my reproducible dbus-scripts crash reports :) | 02:45 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: whatever that crash-reporter talks | 02:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah! and what is it ? | 02:46 |
| merlin1991 | time to find out :) | 02:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 02:46 |
| int_ua | DocScrutinizer: I think it's sending these .lzo archives | 02:46 |
| * MohammadAG echos that it might be open source | 02:46 | |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter. HOW does it send them? per mail? per ftp-upload? | 02:47 |
| int_ua | but there is a description field also | 02:47 |
| MohammadAG | probably HTTP POST, but check the source | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | and esp what you're going to do with all those pretty coredumps without any proper context and error description? | 02:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | most of them for pkg acme-foo | 02:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | and siblings | 02:48 |
| int_ua | send them to the maintainer email directly XD | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | I really guess we have better targets for spare manpower in CSSU :-D | 02:49 |
| MohammadAG | Would rather rewrite a similar darmon that checks if the crash reports are part of cssu | 02:49 |
| merlin1991 | well MohammadAG we can simply compare against a list serverside and dump anthing non cssu | 02:49 |
| int_ua | MohammadAG: +1 | 02:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin fancywork | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | Not really, it's just an inotify app | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | to gather useless coredumps | 02:50 |
| MohammadAG | Monitors a list of folders for new core dumps | 02:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that help exactly how, and on what? | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | waste my time | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | distract me from work and school | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | sounds like a great deal | 02:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | I fail to see who's interested in the result of all that work (btw probably the reason why the original nitro evidently is orphaned) | 02:51 |
| int_ua | Well, in ideal world it would help reveal some problems more easily for both user and developer (there is a description field, where good user can describe all the details) | 02:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | before investing significant amount of work into it, I'd by all means talk to those who've seen the original getting implemented and fail | 02:53 |
| int_ua | DocScrutinizer: Is it orphaned? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | evidently | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | or why do you think we didn't hear of any automatic coredumps sent and forwarded to us? | 02:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | see (C) of manpage | 02:54 |
| int_ua | well, the idea to talk to original authors is a very good one | 02:54 |
| ShadowJK | iirc at one point someone said you could get them if you asked | 02:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | an app ported from maemo2 to 3 to 4 to 5, just like e.g. USB-host app. Useless and obsolete | 02:55 |
| int_ua | but at the moment I have to leave. See you all tomorrow :) | 02:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: that's ago how long? | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | "Note that one can also have a "private" crash uploading server. | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | Just provide a suitable (trivial) settings package for crash | 02:56 |
| ShadowJK | reporter which tells where to upload the cores" | 02:56 |
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| ShadowJK | (Eero Tamminen on maemo-developers, 2010.10.13, "Re: Crash Reporting") | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | wow, only err 2.5 years ago | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd have thought must be at least 4 | 02:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | oops, 1.5 years? | 02:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | time for a break now, definitely | 02:58 |
| ShadowJK | "The crash information wouldn't usually be that useful for the 3rd party developers because their packages create rarely debug package needed for getting backtraces (Maemo infra doesn't create those automatically as it's Debian derived." | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | let's see if the 28th attempt for a break and getting dinner will pan out | 02:59 |
| merlin1991 | wtf | 02:59 |
| merlin1991 | I thought you came back with your chilli cheese :D | 02:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah, I've not left home since 5 days | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin flu paralysing me | 03:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I really wonder how they implemented the privacy part (clean out sensitive data from the coredump) | 03:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd rather not see a coredump of modest getting uploaded to $RANDOM without me closely scrutinizing it beforehand | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither of $IRC-UA, nor notes app, nor probably *anything* | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: scrutinizing everything :D | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, py definition only docs | 03:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | by* | 03:10 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders if this crashreporter already qualifies for tag "malware" | 03:11 | |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: user willingly installs it :D | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm yeah | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | as soon as we ship it with CSSU though... ;-P | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | imo if I set this up I'm not gonna ship it with cssu | 03:13 |
| ShadowJK | There's no cleaning, and this is the reason they don't give out the crashdumps, apparently. | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | BWAHAHA | 03:13 |
| merlin1991 | but tell people who bugreport that if they want they can install it and point it to the "cssu" server | 03:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thought as much | 03:13 |
| merlin1991 | making clear that it possibly violates their privacy | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | good luck with that | 03:14 |
| merlin1991 | shipping by default is a big nono | 03:14 |
| merlin1991 | well some people might think of it as usefull | 03:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | so much was obvious :-) | 03:14 |
| ShadowJK | DocScrutinizer, that's why it gives you this huge disclaimer every crashdump you upload | 03:14 |
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| merlin1991 | though I guess technically I would need to register a company and an whatever it was called id here in austria to be able to collect user data | 03:15 |
| * merlin1991 sometimes hates the laws | 03:15 | |
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| DocScrutinizer | I consider the whole thing a rather huge timesink for nothing | 03:16 |
| ShadowJK | crashdumps are nice for debugging | 03:17 |
| merlin1991 | though I guess in general it's probably easier to just have people mail specific crashdumps | 03:17 |
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| DocScrutinizer | those users who care will as well attach a coredump to a proper ticket. The others won't even bother to install this crashreporter | 03:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: exactly my thought | 03:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | ShadowJK: thanks for digging up all the history :-) | 03:20 |
| * DocScrutinizer is just amused about the fact https://stage.maemo.org/nitro/ still is up, and has a nice auth front | 03:22 | |
| DocScrutinizer | even stage.maemo.org sounds ancient | 03:22 |
| merlin1991 | probably spinning in circles not able to even write logs to the hdd | 03:23 |
| merlin1991 | because everything is filled :) | 03:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep XP | 03:23 |
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| int_ua | any news about crash-reporter? | 10:01 |
| freemangordon | Pali, we have a major problem with ke-recv, hildonfm goes nuts if easydebian chroot is started :( | 10:20 |
| Pali | freemangordon, that is bad... | 10:21 |
| Pali | reason? | 10:21 |
| freemangordon | NFC, let me try to upload a screenshot, to see what I mean | 10:21 |
| freemangordon | Pali, http://tinypic.com/r/r7ivf9/5 | 10:35 |
| freemangordon | and /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-hal-volume-monitor uses 100%CPU | 10:36 |
| Pali | freemangordon, give me output of mount | 10:36 |
| Pali | and also of /etc/mtab and /proc/mount | 10:36 |
| freemangordon | http://pastebin.com/5mZD7GwW | 10:37 |
| freemangordon | "/etc/mtab" http://pastebin.com/PPEJm8gT | 10:38 |
| Pali | ok, problem is that you (or easy debian) mounted a lot of directories | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | "/proc/mounts" http://pastebin.com/rAxj6uV0 | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | Pali, those are not mounted, they are binded | 10:39 |
| Pali | but appears in mount output (or mtab) | 10:39 |
| freemangordon | bingo | 10:39 |
| Pali | and hal/gvfs/whatever parse output from that | 10:40 |
| freemangordon | isn't it ke-recv who is to blame? | 10:40 |
| Pali | ke-recv only mount mmc | 10:40 |
| Pali | and usb hdd | 10:40 |
| Pali | and only listen to hal events | 10:40 |
| freemangordon | but i've never had this before updating ke-recv | 10:40 |
| Pali | see to syslog | 10:40 |
| freemangordon | i am using easy debian for quite long, never had such problem | 10:40 |
| Pali | ke-recv write anything to syslog | 10:41 |
| freemangordon | there's nothing in syslog | 10:41 |
| Pali | so then problem in gvfs/hildonfm | 10:41 |
| freemangordon | hmm | 10:42 |
| Pali | now when ke-recv/hildofm recognize /media/mmc1p2 problem can appear | 10:42 |
| freemangordon | but i had my ext3 partition on sdcard mounted with a script before ke-recv automount | 10:42 |
| freemangordon | I meant before ke-recv was able to auto-mount it | 10:43 |
| Pali | good idea will be to find how osso-fm/hildon-fm/gvfs get list of mounts in osso-file-manager | 10:43 |
| Pali | and do not add to list "bind" mounts | 10:43 |
| freemangordon | BTW is seems the same problem as with screwed partition names | 10:43 |
| freemangordon | it is again osso-gnome-vfs2 AIUI | 10:44 |
| int_ua | freemangordon: I cannot reproduce it with T3.1 | 10:51 |
| int_ua | have you launched something in debbie chroot? | 10:51 |
| int_ua | (I have debian image in a file in MyDocs) | 10:53 |
| freemangordon | well, the difference is that my easy debian is on second partition on sd card | 10:53 |
| freemangordon | and it is not loopback device, bua a directory | 10:53 |
| freemangordon | *but | 10:53 |
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| juzn900 | Hi, I am new to freenode, so forgive me if I make any errors, can anyone assist me with the ke-recv issue? | 12:01 |
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| freemangordon | juzn900, look in cssu-testing thread on TMO, everything you need is there | 12:33 |
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| juzn900 | Freemangordon, I had tried merlin1991's instructions but to no avail. I have tried a few of the other suggestions as well, but no luck. | 12:40 |
| juzn900 | i will have a reread of it all and see if I can find what I have missed. Thanks for your reply. And all your hardwork for that matter. | 12:42 |
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| DocScrutinizer | freemangordon: dont send away juzn900 - merlin1991 explicitly asked for users to report to *him* *here* when the recent instructions don't work | 13:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | juzn900: please wait for merlin1991 | 13:35 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: he invested quite some time and effort to make sure his advice works for everybody, so we wanna learn why it doesn't for you | 13:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | juzn900: ^^^^ | 13:36 |
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| juzn900 | DocScrutinizer, thanks for your replies, I am in the process of trying to work it out. I will report if/when I work out what I have been doing wrong. Many thanks. | 13:41 |
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| Sicelo | win 9 | 14:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, God forbid | 14:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | win8 is terrible enough | 14:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | If there is a God, he will create a new hell for all M$ staff and send them all to there, to code a better system than iOS, and to do that they got laptops without touchscreen, without trackpad and mouse, and the OS is win8 | 14:15 |
| Raimu | That's certainly the God we all fear and loathe | 14:16 |
| merlin1991 | juzn900: ping | 14:17 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: we had a user yesterday already, in some cases dpkg doesn't write the file EVEN if there is no /etc/init.d/ke-recv | 14:21 |
| merlin1991 | dpkg --purge --force-all ke-recv | 14:21 |
| merlin1991 | apt-get install ke-recv | 14:21 |
| merlin1991 | fixes that corner case | 14:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | as expected | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189902&postcount=554 | 14:22 |
| merlin1991 | though I've done some serious headscratching as to why dpkg would not add a file where none is existing | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | I never wrapped my head around dpkg/apt database and info therein | 14:23 |
| merlin1991 | I've spent quite some time reading the docs on apt and dpkg, but still have nfc :D | 14:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | rpm for example notices when you edit the conf files, and creates either .rpmnew or .rpmsafe, depending on errr dunnowhat | 14:24 |
| merlin1991 | oh hi | 14:25 |
| Lava_Croft | wp7 is pretty nice | 14:25 |
| merlin1991 | http://www.davidpashley.com/blog/2008/02/05 | 14:25 |
| Lava_Croft | if not lagging behind with features | 14:25 |
| Lava_Croft | also, naming the M$ is of a "im a 6 year old and i break boundaries" nature | 14:26 |
| Lava_Croft | sad | 14:26 |
| Lava_Croft | as if M$ is the only company in it for the money | 14:26 |
| Lava_Croft | and has some sort of special position beyond the usual cutthroat capalist companies | 14:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: you think it's a nice time for last 5 dinners now? ;-P | 14:29 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 14:29 |
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| DocScrutinizer | *cough* <SIC> | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin flu, and tomorrow I shall work again :-S | 14:30 |
| Lava_Croft | bash some more capitali$st companies | 14:31 |
| Lava_Croft | it might make you feel better | 14:31 |
| Lava_Croft | and look sillier | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | without OME LOUSY chocolate egg all this week | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ONE* | 14:32 |
| merlin1991 | hehe | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | :'( | 14:32 |
| merlin1991 | are you pro or contra chocolate eggs? | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | I need chocolate and coffe, and xterm | 14:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe air too | 14:33 |
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| DocScrutinizer | though I think I can survive without air but not without xterm | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for sure not without chocolate for long time | 14:34 |
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| merlin1991 | Pali: ping | 14:51 |
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| amiconn | DocScrutinizer: apt does the same (at least on "real" debian) and creates either .dpkg-old or .dpkg-new depending on whether you decide to overwrite or keep the modified file | 16:50 |
| amiconn | Aktually that's dpkg itself, not apt | 16:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | :nod: | 16:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | so why doesn't it work like that for /etc/init.d/ke-recv? | 16:53 |
| amiconn | I don't know. Maybe the mechanism only works for files which dpkg "knows" are configuration files? | 16:54 |
| amiconn | Init scripts usually arent | 16:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | but then it's even more obscure why it doesn't reinstall that file | 16:55 |
| Pali | merlin1991 pong | 17:16 |
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| merlin1991 | Pali: we have a really bad case of ke-recv failing | 18:57 |
| merlin1991 | I'll give you the details when I find the time to sort them out of my log | 18:57 |
| merlin1991 | basicly I had a user who fixed his ke-recv startup script and still didn't get his MyDocs back | 18:58 |
| Lava_Croft | :< | 18:59 |
| merlin1991 | but the pr1.3 ke-recv works for him | 19:01 |
| merlin1991 | (ke-recv 3.19-13+0m5) | 19:02 |
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| Raimu | :( | 19:03 |
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| vi__ | yo | 19:21 |
| vi__ | I think I may have found a bug | 19:21 |
| vi__ | in the last 3.1 update. | 19:21 |
| vi__ | pictures opened from the file manager now open in the web browser | 19:22 |
| vi__ | as oppose to maemo-photo | 19:23 |
| vi__ | does anyone even care? | 19:24 |
| Raimu | vi, doesn't happen for me. | 19:37 |
| Raimu | Just tested. | 19:37 |
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| Lava_Croft | same here, doesnt happen | 19:55 |
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| amiconn | DocScrutinizer: I'm not sure what the problem re ke-recv is. All I can say is that I do have /etc/init.d/ke-recv on my N900. It is dated 2009-08-28 | 21:01 |
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| Lava_Croft | judging from the date, one would say that is the one that came with the n900 ootb | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 21:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | same here | 21:03 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, ping | 21:20 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: pong | 21:20 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991, could you add osso-gnome-vfs2 in CSSU repo? | 21:21 |
| merlin1991 | you mean on gitorious? | 21:21 |
| freemangordon | yeah :D | 21:21 |
| freemangordon | I suspect this is the original | 21:22 |
| freemangordon | https://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/osso-gnome-vfs2 | 21:22 |
| freemangordon | yup, that is it | 21:22 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-gnome-vfs2 | 21:24 |
| merlin1991 | you can push anything to its master (I guess you'll want the fremantle branch from the original repo) | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | actually I was going to ask you how to deal with that, i mean master/fremantle | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | but is seems i will checkout fremantle branch and will push it in CSSU | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | agree? | 21:25 |
| merlin1991 | well if fremantle is what is in maemo5 then push fremantle from the original repo as master | 21:25 |
| freemangordon | ok | 21:26 |
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