IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Monday, 2012-04-09

merlin1991ffs, forgot to test keymap when I was @ ke-recv 3.19-1400:00
* merlin1991 downgrades again00:01
merlin1991(we have a bug claiming that keymaps don't work and I have to make sure broken ke-recv is the cause of that)00:01
DocScrutinizerwtf is ℡00:12
DocScrutinizeraka echo -e '\xe2\x84\xa1'00:12
merlin1991no idea :D00:13
DocScrutinizer~xyawn00:13
infobotsomebody said xyawn was coffee00:13
merlin1991missing sym keymap also is an issue with ke-recv, though no idea HOW this is related00:14
merlin19913 bugs closed as duplicate :)00:14
DocScrutinizersame with the confirmed portrait while kbd slide out00:14
DocScrutinizernfc how it's related to ke-recv and missing MyDocs00:15
merlin1991yeah00:15
merlin1991well maybe some other deamon depeneds on ke-recv and thus does not launch?00:15
DocScrutinizerI guess there must be more to this ke-recv bug than just MyDocs missing00:15
merlin1991anyway, did you update to 3.1?00:15
DocScrutinizerNAH! you're kidding00:16
merlin19913.1 is stable :D00:16
DocScrutinizerBWAHAHAHA00:16
merlin1991all bugs reported with 3.0 are fixed with 3.1 :D00:16
DocScrutinizertell me in a week00:16
merlin1991so you'll wait a week and then decied enough guinea pigs have tried before you? :D00:17
DocScrutinizersure00:25
DocScrutinizerafter all that's my supposed_to_work daily phone00:28
merlin1991hehe00:28
merlin1991my supposed_to_work phone is a n9 :$00:29
DocScrutinizer*burp*00:39
merlin1991hey it works great as a phone, I still carry a n900 for other tasks though00:40
DocScrutinizerwhy can't 3.1 preinst remove the friggin symlink?00:44
DocScrutinizerand why has this symlink to get removed manually anyway, while dpkg/whatever should overwrite it?00:44
DocScrutinizeror is it that ke-recv update doesn't even ship that file?00:45
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merlin1991it ships it01:09
merlin1991I'm currently investigating as to WHY it doesn't overwrite the symlink01:09
merlin1991thoug we could add a simple if symlink rm to the ke-recv preinst01:10
gregoamerlin1991: there's nothing to investigate, that's dpkg's behaviour by design. - and I agree that the preinst should test for the version and the symlink and remove it01:15
merlin1991gregoa: so dpkg ignores symlinks by design?01:15
merlin1991even if they were part of the previous version of the package01:15
gregoamerlin1991: no, it doesn't replace a symlink with a file or dir01:15
DocScrutinizer(<merlin1991> thoug we could add a simple if symlink rm to the ke-recv preinst) exactly what I said before :-)01:17
merlin1991true :)01:17
DocScrutinizergregoa: thanks for shedding some light on this01:18
DocScrutinizerthough it feels terribly odd behaviour for an installer01:19
merlin1991hm just came across a bunch of bugreports regarding dpkg and symlinks, seems the handling of symlinks in dpkg is weird in genreal01:19
merlin1991s/genreal/general/01:19
infobotmerlin1991 meant: hm just came across a bunch of bugreports regarding dpkg and symlinks, seems the handling of symlinks in dpkg is weird in general01:19
merlin1991hm busybox syntax for checking symlinks01:20
merlin1991I really should bookmark some bash man since I keep forgeting the syntax01:21
gregoayup, there probably were good reasons, but it leads to some headscratching01:22
gregoamerlin1991: grep \\-L /var/lib/dpkg/info/*inst on any debian/ubuntu machines should give you some examples :)01:25
gregoamerlin1991: http://paste.debian.net/162575/ <- vlc.preinst01:27
merlin1991thanks01:28
gregoanp01:29
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, conffile01:49
MohammadAGmerlin1991, it's in debian/conffiles01:49
DocScrutinizerI wonder how that's a conffile though. How did it manage to become one?01:50
gregoaDocScrutinizer: it's in /etc01:50
DocScrutinizerOMG01:50
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, what he said01:51
DocScrutinizerindeed I'd prefer to see this shellscript in /usr/lib/ke-recv or sth01:51
MohammadAGalmost killed myself testing led-event-notifier01:51
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MohammadAGdebian/rules could be fixed I suppose01:52
DocScrutinizerSEE????!! the reason it's considered dangerous and forbidden by aegis! X-P01:52
MohammadAGto ignore the file01:52
int_ualooks like I've found a bug in camera-ui in T3.1, anyone here who can try reproduce it?01:55
merlin1991plenty, shoot01:55
DocScrutinizerscratch my note about moving init.d/ke-recv, it's a perfect initfile01:55
DocScrutinizeranother note goes to debian/rules WTF they think are the files in etc/init.d/01:56
DocScrutinizerCONFIG files??01:57
int_ua1. Record small video (2-3 seconds in my case) 2. Push play button in the preview. 3. Close Media Player an return to camera-ui. 4. Press delete button.01:58
merlin1991int_ua: what's the bug now?01:58
merlin1991sry :D01:58
int_uaafter this camera-ui stays black until I touch the screen01:58
DocScrutinizersure you want to keep a copy of old file under /etc/init.d/foobar.dpkold, or even install the new file under /etc/init.d/foobar.dpknew, but only when user changed the old file01:59
merlin1991int_ua: can not reproduce02:00
merlin1991when I close the media player and select the camera-ui in the taskswitcher it takes a split second and then I see the livefeed again02:00
int_uamerlin1991: did you deleted this video in the camera-ui?02:00
int_uas/did/have/02:01
infobotint_ua meant: merlin1991: have you deleted this video in the camera-ui?02:01
merlin1991arf02:01
* merlin1991 headdesk02:01
merlin1991bloody word wrap02:01
merlin1991trying again :902:01
DocScrutinizerI think I can confirm02:02
DocScrutinizerseem to remember same thing02:02
merlin1991hm seems to be related to the settings for preview02:03
merlin1991I don't even get that chance to delte it because camera-ui is already back to the life feed not showing me the preview page anymore02:03
DocScrutinizerwell, that's what it is supposed to do02:03
merlin1991I've adjusted the preview settings for don't time out02:04
merlin1991no I'll see what happens02:04
MohammadAGsigh, if only somebody could implement stacked process windows in hildon-desktop02:04
merlin1991int_ua: yes you're right02:04
DocScrutinizermeh02:04
merlin1991I'll forward this to nicolai02:04
MohammadAGif the mediaplayer opens from within camera-ui only for a preview, then pressing the back button should bring you back to camera-ui02:04
int_uaok, thanks :) Now I can sleep :)02:04
MohammadAGHarmattan and Android work that way02:05
MohammadAGlol02:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: obviously02:05
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, pressing back makes the mediaplayer visible with an X button02:05
MohammadAGit should be a <- button that brings you back to camera-ui02:05
DocScrutinizera major PITA and UI designer brainfuck when they missed such stacking thing in fremantle02:05
MohammadAGoh and WP7 does it too02:06
merlin1991int_ua: it's actually also valid if you take a photo02:06
MohammadAGit can be implemented02:06
MohammadAGstacking is there02:06
merlin1991back out of camera-ui somehow02:06
merlin1991come back and delte it02:06
DocScrutinizer:nod:02:06
DocScrutinizerI'fe encountered it with photo02:06
DocScrutinizerI've02:07
merlin1991I'll give nicolai a proper report an suppose the fix will be in next testing02:07
merlin1991and I'll do that after I've slept or it will be like me last lines here on irc, which would not yield in him unterstanding what I'm writing xD02:08
merlin1991s/him understanding/him not understanding/02:08
DocScrutinizeractually I've seen occasional segfaults of cam as well (though can't recall on what action). That's why I'm not that happy with nicocam in CSSU02:08
merlin1991segfaults --> DUMPS PLEASE :D02:09
DocScrutinizerprovide one-click dumphandler install02:09
DocScrutinizer;-P02:09
DocScrutinizeror wait, maybe I already got it?02:10
merlin1991gimme a few mins, I'm sure I can get together an .install file02:10
merlin1991though have fun with ham then ,)02:10
DocScrutinizernah, a cmdline to c&p is just fine02:10
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache policy sp-rich-core02:12
DocScrutinizersp-rich-core:02:12
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 1.34+0m502:12
merlin1991you need the fremantle tools repo and sp-rich-core02:12
merlin1991dumps should be in /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/02:12
int_uaor on the uSD ;)02:13
merlin1991yeah or anywhere on /media/mmc*/core-dumps/02:13
int_uaBTW, I've sent some dumps with this GUI that notifies02:14
int_uaare they anyhow useful?02:14
DocScrutinizerno coredump of camera02:14
DocScrutinizerbut: /home/user/MyDocs/core-dumps/reboot-32wd_to-1102-0-0.rcore.lzo  X-P02:14
int_uaI mean Settings - Crash Reporter02:14
int_uaDocScrutinizer: I've got this every third reboot02:15
merlin1991int_ua: I'm not really sure I understand what you tried to say02:15
int_uaapproximately every third02:15
int_uamerlin1991: I've enabled Settings - Crash Reporter - Upload crash reports02:17
int_uaand everything else there02:17
merlin1991nfc where those go02:17
merlin1991defenitely not to us :D02:17
int_uaand now I have a notification on every new report02:18
MohammadAGprobably /dev/null on some server02:18
int_ua...02:18
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# cat /var/lib/dsme/rich-cores/reboot-32wd_to02:18
DocScrutinizer402:18
int_uawait, there was a server name somewhere02:18
DocScrutinizerXP02:19
DocScrutinizerLOL02:19
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: nope, server null.dev02:20
DocScrutinizerit's a virtual server of the internet02:20
int_ua=D02:20
DocScrutinizerthe .dev TLD is very little known publicly, but mad useful ;-)02:21
DocScrutinizerthey invented it when that guy snatched away the dont-answer.com domain02:24
int_uathis http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/crash-reporter obviously needs more info02:25
int_uaBut I've seen the server name somewhere. IIRC it had 5 letters. Maybe starting with N02:25
gregoan-o-k-i-a?02:27
int_uaXD02:27
MohammadAGnil.us02:28
int_uagot it!02:29
int_uaReceiving server: https://stage.maemo.org/nitro/02:29
int_uaMohammadAG: Why nil.us? :) I didn't get it, was it a joke too? :)02:30
MohammadAGyeah02:31
MohammadAGnitro?02:31
merlin1991int_ua: I think sanity went over board around /dev/null02:31
int_uayeah, what is it? who controls it?02:32
DocScrutinizernitro beats it hands down02:32
MohammadAGOT: http://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/2012/2/24/d3c3a992-cfe1-4e58-b7cc-2c5e34334c57.jpg02:32
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merlin1991hm how can I tell chanserv to set the topic :D02:35
DocScrutinizerhttp://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages/1227619139/ <-nitro02:36
int_uathere is a nice young lady ready to nil you at nil.us :D02:36
DocScrutinizer>>Copyright (C) 2007-2008 Nokia Corporation.<<02:36
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: /msg chanserv help02:36
DocScrutinizerthough it's kinda deprecated02:37
merlin1991ah it knows a topic command02:37
MohammadAGYeah, /CS topic #maemo-ssu sth02:38
DocScrutinizerdepecated for a number of reasons02:38
MohammadAGNote that it replaces, rather than appending02:38
DocScrutinizera) you dunno who has set the topic02:38
int_uacat: /home/user/nitro.conf: No such file or directory02:38
DocScrutinizerb) max topic length02:38
MohammadAGa is the reason I use it really02:38
MohammadAGFor such a channel, setting such a topic doesn't really matter02:39
DocScrutinizerbtw WTF?!  http://maemo.org/development/documentation/man_pages02:39
merlin1991sneaky bastard :D02:39
MohammadAGUnless it's a meeting or sth02:39
DocScrutinizerMEH02:40
DocScrutinizermy topic history showing "changed by: chanserv" >:-(02:40
int_uacat: /usr/share/nitro-settings/nitro.conf: No such file or directory02:41
MohammadAGWhich is the only point of using it02:41
DocScrutinizerBS02:41
int_uacat /usr/share/crash-reporter-settings/crash-reporter.conf02:42
int_uaso we can (?) easily (?) change the server address for some server, available to CSSU developers02:43
DocScrutinizerwhy not, if you know the format of that protocol02:44
MohammadAGIt's open source afaik02:44
DocScrutinizerand you know the privacy measures needed02:44
* merlin1991 feels like setting up a reciver on his sirver02:44
merlin1991sirver, lol02:44
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I guess, kill ip, extract dump, strip personal data, stash away?02:45
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: which one? ftp? http? foobar?02:45
int_uaI can be the first to send you my reproducible dbus-scripts crash reports :)02:45
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: whatever that crash-reporter talks02:45
DocScrutinizeryeah! and what is it ?02:46
merlin1991time to find out :)02:46
DocScrutinizer:shrug:02:46
int_uaDocScrutinizer: I think it's sending these .lzo archives02:46
* MohammadAG echos that it might be open source02:46
DocScrutinizerdoesn't matter. HOW does  it send them? per mail? per ftp-upload?02:47
int_uabut there is a description field also02:47
MohammadAGprobably HTTP POST, but check the source02:47
DocScrutinizerand esp what you're going to do with all those pretty coredumps without any proper context and error description?02:47
DocScrutinizermost of them for pkg acme-foo02:48
DocScrutinizerand siblings02:48
int_uasend them to the maintainer email directly XD02:49
DocScrutinizerI really guess we have better targets for spare manpower in CSSU :-D02:49
MohammadAGWould rather rewrite a similar darmon that checks if the crash reports are part of cssu02:49
merlin1991well MohammadAG we can simply compare against a list serverside and dump anthing non cssu02:49
int_uaMohammadAG: +102:49
DocScrutinizerfriggin fancywork02:50
MohammadAGNot really, it's just an inotify app02:50
DocScrutinizerto gather useless coredumps02:50
MohammadAGMonitors a list of folders for new core dumps02:50
DocScrutinizerand that help exactly how, and on what?02:51
merlin1991waste my time02:51
merlin1991distract me from work and school02:51
merlin1991sounds like a great deal02:51
DocScrutinizerI fail to see who's interested in the result of all that work (btw probably the reason why the original nitro evidently is orphaned)02:51
int_uaWell, in ideal world it would help reveal some problems more easily for both user and developer (there is a description field, where good user can describe all the details)02:52
DocScrutinizerbefore investing significant amount of work into it, I'd by all means talk to those who've seen the original getting implemented and fail02:53
int_uaDocScrutinizer: Is it orphaned?02:53
DocScrutinizerevidently02:53
DocScrutinizeror why do you think we didn't hear of any automatic coredumps sent and forwarded to us?02:53
DocScrutinizersee (C) of manpage02:54
int_uawell, the idea to talk to original authors is a very good one02:54
ShadowJKiirc at one point someone said you could get them if you asked02:55
DocScrutinizeran app ported from maemo2 to 3 to 4 to 5, just like e.g. USB-host app. Useless and obsolete02:55
int_uabut at the moment I have to leave. See you all tomorrow :)02:56
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DocScrutinizerShadowJK: that's ago how long?02:56
ShadowJK"Note that one can also have a "private" crash uploading server.02:56
ShadowJKJust provide a suitable (trivial) settings package for crash02:56
ShadowJKreporter which tells where to upload the cores"02:56
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ShadowJK(Eero Tamminen on maemo-developers, 2010.10.13, "Re: Crash Reporting")02:57
DocScrutinizerwow, only err 2.5 years ago02:57
DocScrutinizerI'd have thought must be at least 402:57
DocScrutinizeroops, 1.5 years?02:58
DocScrutinizertime for a break now, definitely02:58
ShadowJK"The crash information wouldn't usually be that useful for the 3rd party developers because their packages create rarely debug package needed for getting backtraces (Maemo infra doesn't create those automatically as it's Debian derived."02:59
DocScrutinizerlet's see if the 28th attempt for a break and getting dinner will pan out02:59
merlin1991wtf02:59
merlin1991I thought you came back with your chilli cheese :D02:59
DocScrutinizerhah, I've not left home since 5 days03:00
DocScrutinizerfriggin flu paralysing me03:01
DocScrutinizerI really wonder how they implemented the privacy part (clean out sensitive data from the coredump)03:07
DocScrutinizerI'd rather not see a coredump of modest getting uploaded to $RANDOM without me closely scrutinizing it beforehand03:08
DocScrutinizerneither of $IRC-UA, nor notes app, nor probably *anything*03:09
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: scrutinizing everything :D03:10
DocScrutinizernah, py definition only docs03:10
DocScrutinizerby*03:10
* DocScrutinizer wonders if this crashreporter already qualifies for tag "malware"03:11
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: user willingly installs it :D03:12
DocScrutinizerhmm yeah03:12
DocScrutinizeras soon as we ship it with CSSU though... ;-P03:12
merlin1991imo if I set this up I'm not gonna ship it with cssu03:13
ShadowJKThere's no cleaning, and this is the reason they don't give out the crashdumps, apparently.03:13
DocScrutinizerBWAHAHA03:13
merlin1991but tell people who bugreport that if they want they can install it and point it to the "cssu" server03:13
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: thought as much03:13
merlin1991making clear that it possibly violates their privacy03:14
DocScrutinizergood luck with that03:14
merlin1991shipping by default is a big nono03:14
merlin1991well some people might think of it as usefull03:14
DocScrutinizerso much was obvious :-)03:14
ShadowJKDocScrutinizer, that's why it gives you this huge disclaimer every crashdump you upload03:14
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merlin1991though I guess technically I would need to register a company and an whatever it was called id here in austria to be able to collect user data03:15
* merlin1991 sometimes hates the laws03:15
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DocScrutinizerI consider the whole thing a rather huge timesink for nothing03:16
ShadowJKcrashdumps are nice for debugging03:17
merlin1991though I guess in general it's probably easier to just have people mail specific crashdumps03:17
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DocScrutinizerthose users who care will as well attach a coredump to a proper ticket. The others won't even bother to install this crashreporter03:17
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: exactly my thought03:18
DocScrutinizerShadowJK: thanks for digging up all the history :-)03:20
* DocScrutinizer is just amused about the fact https://stage.maemo.org/nitro/ still is up, and has a nice auth front03:22
DocScrutinizereven stage.maemo.org sounds ancient03:22
merlin1991probably spinning in circles not able to even write logs to the hdd03:23
merlin1991because everything is filled :)03:23
DocScrutinizeryep XP03:23
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int_uaany news about crash-reporter?10:01
freemangordonPali, we have a major problem with ke-recv, hildonfm goes nuts if easydebian chroot is started :(10:20
Palifreemangordon, that is bad...10:21
Palireason?10:21
freemangordonNFC, let me try to upload a screenshot, to see what I mean10:21
freemangordonPali, http://tinypic.com/r/r7ivf9/510:35
freemangordonand  /usr/lib/gvfs/gvfs-hal-volume-monitor uses 100%CPU10:36
Palifreemangordon, give me output of mount10:36
Paliand also of /etc/mtab and /proc/mount10:36
freemangordonhttp://pastebin.com/5mZD7GwW10:37
freemangordon"/etc/mtab" http://pastebin.com/PPEJm8gT10:38
Paliok, problem is that you (or easy debian) mounted a lot of directories10:39
freemangordon"/proc/mounts" http://pastebin.com/rAxj6uV010:39
freemangordonPali, those are not mounted, they are binded10:39
Palibut appears in mount output (or mtab)10:39
freemangordonbingo10:39
Paliand hal/gvfs/whatever parse output from that10:40
freemangordonisn't it ke-recv who is to blame?10:40
Palike-recv only mount mmc10:40
Paliand usb hdd10:40
Paliand only listen to hal events10:40
freemangordonbut i've never had this before updating ke-recv10:40
Palisee to syslog10:40
freemangordoni am using easy debian for quite long, never had such problem10:40
Palike-recv write anything to syslog10:41
freemangordonthere's nothing in syslog10:41
Paliso then problem in gvfs/hildonfm10:41
freemangordonhmm10:42
Palinow when ke-recv/hildofm recognize /media/mmc1p2 problem can appear10:42
freemangordonbut i had my ext3 partition on sdcard mounted with a script before ke-recv automount10:42
freemangordonI meant before ke-recv was able to auto-mount it10:43
Paligood idea will be to find how osso-fm/hildon-fm/gvfs get list of mounts in osso-file-manager10:43
Paliand do not add to list "bind" mounts10:43
freemangordonBTW is seems the same problem as with screwed partition names10:43
freemangordonit is again osso-gnome-vfs2 AIUI10:44
int_uafreemangordon: I cannot reproduce it with T3.110:51
int_uahave you launched something in debbie chroot?10:51
int_ua(I have debian image in a file in MyDocs)10:53
freemangordonwell, the difference is that my easy debian is on second partition on sd card10:53
freemangordonand it is not loopback device, bua a directory10:53
freemangordon*but10:53
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juzn900Hi, I am new to freenode, so forgive me if I make any errors, can anyone assist me with the ke-recv issue?12:01
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freemangordonjuzn900, look in cssu-testing thread on TMO, everything you need is there12:33
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juzn900Freemangordon, I had tried merlin1991's instructions but to no avail. I have tried a few of the other suggestions as well, but no luck.12:40
juzn900i will have a reread of it all and see if I can find what I have missed. Thanks for your reply. And all your hardwork for that matter.12:42
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DocScrutinizerfreemangordon: dont send away juzn900 - merlin1991 explicitly asked for users to report to *him* *here* when the recent instructions don't work13:35
DocScrutinizerjuzn900: please wait for merlin199113:35
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: he invested quite some time and effort to make sure his advice works for everybody, so we wanna learn why it doesn't for you13:36
DocScrutinizerjuzn900: ^^^^13:36
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juzn900DocScrutinizer, thanks for your replies, I am in the process of trying to work it out. I will report if/when I work out what I have been doing wrong. Many thanks.13:41
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Sicelowin 914:09
DocScrutinizernah, God forbid14:10
DocScrutinizerwin8 is terrible enough14:10
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DocScrutinizerIf there is a God, he will create a new hell for all M$ staff and send them all to there, to code a better system than iOS, and to do that they got laptops without touchscreen, without trackpad and mouse, and the OS is win814:15
RaimuThat's certainly the God we all fear and loathe14:16
merlin1991juzn900: ping14:17
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: we had a user yesterday already, in some cases dpkg doesn't write the file EVEN if there is no /etc/init.d/ke-recv14:21
merlin1991dpkg --purge --force-all ke-recv14:21
merlin1991apt-get install ke-recv14:21
merlin1991fixes that corner case14:21
DocScrutinizeras expected14:22
DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1189902&postcount=55414:22
merlin1991though I've done some serious headscratching as to why dpkg would not add a file where none is existing14:22
DocScrutinizerI never wrapped my head around dpkg/apt database and info therein14:23
merlin1991I've spent quite some time reading the docs on apt and dpkg, but still have nfc :D14:24
DocScrutinizerrpm for example notices when you edit the conf files, and creates either .rpmnew or .rpmsafe, depending on errr dunnowhat14:24
merlin1991oh hi14:25
Lava_Croftwp7 is pretty nice14:25
merlin1991http://www.davidpashley.com/blog/2008/02/0514:25
Lava_Croftif not lagging behind with features14:25
Lava_Croftalso, naming the M$ is of a "im a 6 year old and i break boundaries" nature14:26
Lava_Croftsad14:26
Lava_Croftas if M$ is the only company in it for the money14:26
Lava_Croftand has some sort of special position beyond the usual cutthroat capalist companies14:27
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: you think it's a nice time for last 5 dinners now? ;-P14:29
merlin1991:D14:29
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DocScrutinizer*cough* <SIC>14:30
DocScrutinizerfriggin flu, and tomorrow I shall work again :-S14:30
Lava_Croftbash some more capitali$st companies14:31
Lava_Croftit might make you feel better14:31
Lava_Croftand look sillier14:31
DocScrutinizerwithout OME LOUSY chocolate egg all this week14:31
DocScrutinizerONE*14:32
merlin1991hehe14:32
DocScrutinizer:'(14:32
merlin1991are you pro or contra chocolate eggs?14:32
DocScrutinizerI need chocolate and coffe, and xterm14:32
DocScrutinizermaybe air too14:33
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DocScrutinizerthough I think I can survive without air but not without xterm14:34
DocScrutinizerand for sure not without chocolate for long time14:34
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merlin1991Pali: ping14:51
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amiconnDocScrutinizer: apt does the same (at least on "real" debian) and creates either .dpkg-old or .dpkg-new depending on whether you decide to overwrite or keep the modified file16:50
amiconnAktually that's dpkg itself, not apt16:50
DocScrutinizer:nod:16:52
DocScrutinizerso why doesn't it work like that for /etc/init.d/ke-recv?16:53
amiconnI don't know. Maybe the mechanism only works for files which dpkg "knows" are configuration files?16:54
amiconnInit scripts usually arent16:55
DocScrutinizerbut then it's even more obscure why it doesn't reinstall that file16:55
Palimerlin1991 pong17:16
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merlin1991Pali: we have a really bad case of ke-recv failing18:57
merlin1991I'll give you the details when I find the time to sort them out of my log18:57
merlin1991basicly I had a user who fixed his ke-recv startup script and still didn't get his MyDocs back18:58
Lava_Croft:<18:59
merlin1991but the pr1.3 ke-recv works for him19:01
merlin1991(ke-recv 3.19-13+0m5)19:02
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Raimu:(19:03
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vi__yo19:21
vi__I think I may have found a bug19:21
vi__in the last 3.1 update.19:21
vi__pictures opened from the file manager now open in the web browser19:22
vi__as oppose to maemo-photo19:23
vi__does anyone even care?19:24
Raimuvi, doesn't happen for me.19:37
RaimuJust tested.19:37
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Lava_Croftsame here, doesnt happen19:55
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amiconnDocScrutinizer: I'm not sure what the problem re ke-recv is. All I can say is that I do have /etc/init.d/ke-recv on my N900. It is dated 2009-08-2821:01
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Lava_Croftjudging from the date, one would say that is the one that came with the n900 ootb21:03
DocScrutinizersure21:03
DocScrutinizersame here21:03
freemangordonmerlin1991, ping21:20
merlin1991freemangordon: pong21:20
freemangordonmerlin1991, could you add osso-gnome-vfs2 in CSSU repo?21:21
merlin1991you mean on gitorious?21:21
freemangordonyeah :D21:21
freemangordonI suspect this is the original21:22
freemangordonhttps://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/osso-gnome-vfs221:22
freemangordonyup, that is it21:22
merlin1991freemangordon:  https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-gnome-vfs221:24
merlin1991you can push anything to its master (I guess you'll want the fremantle branch from the original repo)21:25
freemangordonactually I was going to ask you how to deal with that, i mean master/fremantle21:25
freemangordonbut is seems i will checkout fremantle branch and will push it in CSSU21:25
freemangordonagree?21:25
merlin1991well if fremantle is what is in maemo5 then push fremantle from the original repo as master21:25
freemangordonok21:26
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