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| merlin1991 | pong MohammadAG | 03:07 |
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| merlin1991 | I guess today afternoon? | 03:07 |
| MohammadAG | I'll try, but not sure | 03:07 |
| merlin1991 | well I can now | 03:08 |
| merlin1991 | anway what did you want? | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ^^ | 03:09 |
| MohammadAG | meeting every friday? | 03:09 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 03:10 |
| merlin1991 | that ping was 28 mins too late for meeting time ;) | 03:10 |
| merlin1991 | but when do you want to go over new stuff? | 03:10 |
| MohammadAG | 5 hours ago :p | 03:10 |
| merlin1991 | when in a timeframe of now to infinity? :D | 03:11 |
| MohammadAG | negative infinity | 03:11 |
| merlin1991 | grrr | 03:12 |
| merlin1991 | but srly, when do you have time? | 03:12 |
| MohammadAG | not sure really :P | 03:14 |
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| fw190 | yesterday we didn't have a meeting | 13:49 |
| fw190 | merlin1991pong MohammadAG03:07nmerlin1991I guess today afternoon?03:07nMohammadAGI'll try, but not sure03:07nmerlin1991well I can now03:08nmerlin1991anway what did you want?03:09nmerlin1991MohammadAG: ^^03:09nMohammadAGmeeting every friday?03:09nmerlin1991:D03:10nmerlin1991that ping was 28 mins too late for meeting time ;)03:10nmerlin1991but when do you want to go over new stuff?03:10nMohammadAG5 hours | 13:49 |
| fw190 | and this little conversations shows in wat state we are | 13:50 |
| fw190 | even if there are devs who want to contribute they cant | 13:50 |
| fw190 | beacause of such attitude | 13:50 |
| fw190 | sorry for beeing a bit harsch and for the spelling mistakes | 13:51 |
| MohammadAG | there wasn't anyone around for the meeting | 13:51 |
| fw190 | this is how I feel about it | 13:51 |
| fw190 | we are waisting momentum and steem with this delays | 13:51 |
| fw190 | there wasnt anyone arround becouse for several weeks there was the same situation | 13:52 |
| fw190 | thats why Doc lost his interest in this | 13:52 |
| fw190 | that is how I see it | 13:52 |
| fw190 | without you nothing can be done and you simoly arent there | 13:53 |
| fw190 | yesterdsy doesnt count :) | 13:53 |
| fw190 | don't take it personal | 13:54 |
| fw190 | I do understand that you have uni or other stuff | 13:54 |
| fw190 | but this is a stopper for cssu | 13:54 |
| fw190 | and the devs commiting to it | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | not really, stable is handled by merlin, the git repo has three admins | 13:54 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not on IRC, but I always reply to merlin1991's emails | 13:55 |
| fw190 | but the finall deccision is to you | 13:55 |
| fw190 | and you push the updates | 13:55 |
| MohammadAG | when someone asks me to, or when there's a meeting | 13:55 |
| fw190 | ok now I have my uni :) as sais dont take it personal. I just see a problem in the process | 13:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I wholeheartedly agree with fw190 | 15:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | CSSU has sparse human resources, and the few interested in contributing are facing hurdles that make them turn away. It's not exactly helping to rationalize these hurdles by the sparse nature of human resources. Au contraire the less contributors a project has, the more vivid and inviting the communication process has to be | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw >><MohammadAG> there wasn't anyone around for the meeting<< is incorrect. At least I had a look at the chan, thought "meh, same as it ever was" and switched to other more promising tasks | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I bet there were others who did exactly the same | 15:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | in the end there are 45 users in this chan right now (ok, minus a few bots and dup UAs) | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | none of them real users in here has joined the chan to fill his screen with some decorative tabs in the IRC UA chanlist | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | they are all listening and pondering if they can contribute | 15:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | the usual result of this pondering recently is "Scotty beam me up, there's no intelligent life down here" | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | so I suggest those who initiated that Friday eve appointment do their damn job and start a meeting here, by giving a welcome to everybody listening (aka "here", aka joining the meeting) and updating everybody what'S minutes of this particular meeting, starting with reporting what you have done the last week to push forward CSSU | 15:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | this will attract some interest and alertness and will show random lurkers that it's maybe worth staying here and eventually start contributing | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | what we got right now is all the opposite, in each and every respect | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | but meh, I'm probably flogging a dead orse | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | horse* | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | quite literally | 15:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | after all it's been me who implicitly decalred CSSU dead if no maintainer stand-ins/proxies/substitutes were to stand up and help with keeping it alive when MohammadAG et al are "not available, temporarily or permanent" | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | so while everyone's ranting, can we have a meeting now? | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | an ad-hoc meeting is no meeting, but exactly that: an ad-hoc convo, usually between two or max 3 persons as it's extremely unlikely that more than 3 will meet anywhere any time by incidence | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | I did a meeting 3 hours ago. Attendees: me, nobody else (like always) I'll not publish meeting minutes as there was little discussion on the meeting | 15:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-D | 15:32 |
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| fw190 | doc is right | 15:40 |
| fw190 | MAG you are the head of cssu and as a heda you have to lead the project | 15:40 |
| fw190 | only this way we can move | 15:41 |
| fw190 | and we have to move | 15:41 |
| fw190 | as there is no other option | 15:41 |
| fw190 | i do see that we are loosing maemo | 15:42 |
| fw190 | and that I do nohave any alternative | 15:42 |
| fw190 | .ets try to get as much as possible from it | 15:43 |
| fw190 | i'm not a dev and cant help with development so all this may be seen bad but this is what I can do | 15:44 |
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| fw190 | I thnk that sometimes i Can spot problems and highlite them | 15:44 |
| fw190 | I hope that we will come up with a sollution for this problem | 15:45 |
| fw190 | because there is a problem | 15:45 |
| fw190 | :) | 15:45 |
| fw190 | have to go back for my classes cultural anropology... :( | 15:46 |
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| DocScrutinizer | re stand-in/substitute maintainers: there's been this guy who's been interested and dropped by here, asking what are the duties of maintainer and how to do all that. He got discouraged to follow up by nobody helping in describing the process that is needed to maintain the repo - rather MohammadAG came with a "my Qt based tool to do that is almost finished", which maybe would've been a helpful answer to keep the guy on board when the | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | tool actually got available within a few hours or at least days incl a proper manpage or howto/whatever | 16:42 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, it was available a few days after that | 16:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | you sent this guy (sorry I had to check chanlogs to find out about his nick) an email or other form of notification, offering to explain to him how to use it and thus maybe actually take the duty to stand in for you as maintainer? | 16:45 |
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| MohammadAG | I never asked for someone to stand in for me | 16:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's the problem | 16:46 |
| MohammadAG | not really, I never saw a reason to do that | 16:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | others do | 16:48 |
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| merlin1991 | X-Fade: ping | 17:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | factoids: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80392 "[Announce] CSSU stable release": 13.000 views. http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=80525 "[Announce] CSSU Testing thread": 11.000 views. Extrapolating all this to give me an idea about how many users out there heard about CSSU and how many actually use it, it becomes obvious that several thousand users rely on maemo (CSSU) devels, and those few hundered maemo (potential CSSU) | 17:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | devels rely on the 2 or 3 persons maintaining the repo. I think this puts your responsibility in some correct light and gives quite a reason why you actually ought to ask for a stand-in for times when you simply can't join e.g. on a Friday "meeting". Wasting 30min of the time of everybody involved rapidly adds up to a mere material damage in the ballpark of man years. Good reason to have a stand-in when you miss a meeting, or are not | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | available for a week due to very reasonable other obligations with higher priority | 17:48 |
| andre__ | +1 | 17:49 |
| Raimu | It's true about us lurkers. And ~12k views is pretty convincing an amount of use. | 18:00 |
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| fw190 | +1 DOC | 18:09 |
| fw190 | MAG I do not get it how is it possible that you do not see the need for someone to stand up instead of you | 18:10 |
| fw190 | I see it like this: you were the head of the cssu but you lost the atcaction to N900 but still you don't want to leave it and we have a circle | 18:11 |
| fw190 | I think that there are many people who count on you | 18:11 |
| fw190 | this is some kinde of resposebility | 18:12 |
| fw190 | there are devs who want to contibute and users who await their contribution | 18:12 |
| fw190 | and here is your place | 18:13 |
| fw190 | as the head you are responsble for chaneling the devs effort to give it to the users | 18:13 |
| fw190 | when we have delays of weeks it doesnt help the devs and end users like me | 18:14 |
| fw190 | no one wants you to leave but someone who could push things if you have your private life is a must from my poin of view | 18:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | +1 for the last one | 18:15 |
| RST38h | fw190, whom are you talking to? | 18:15 |
| fw190 | for the cssu to survive | 18:16 |
| fw190 | I' takjing to no one | 18:16 |
| fw190 | I' just trying to share my thoughts | 18:16 |
| RST38h | Then why are you talking at all? | 18:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: because there's a severe issue with CSSU motivation and organisational structures | 18:17 |
| fw190 | plus I don't know how to talk to someone- i don't know IRC as i dont use it | 18:17 |
| fw190 | DOC thanks for answering | 18:17 |
| fw190 | that is my point | 18:17 |
| fw190 | we have a problem and we have to solve it | 18:17 |
| fw190 | not talkin wont help | 18:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | at least that's what a lot of people conceive about CSSU at large | 18:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | devels that find their merge requests bit rotting for months, lurkers/participants dropping by here on Friday eve to find there's no meeting despite it's been advertised all week long | 18:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | rollout of new releases postponed / procrastinated by months | 18:20 |
| fw190 | +1 | 18:20 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: ping | 18:20 |
| Pali | merlin1991 pong | 18:20 |
| merlin1991 | I'm searching for the osso-pdf-viewer sources (the original ones9 | 18:21 |
| Pali | osso-pdf-viewer is only in maemo SDK - no git repo | 18:22 |
| Pali | and also imported into CSSU git | 18:22 |
| merlin1991 | can't find it in the maemo sdk either | 18:22 |
| merlin1991 | my scratchbox claims no such package | 18:23 |
| Pali | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-pdf-viewer and http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/o/osso-pdf-viewer/ | 18:23 |
| Pali | this is fremantle version | 18:23 |
| Pali | (also there is source code of old diablo,...) | 18:24 |
| merlin1991 | yea I know, any idea why my scratchbox doesn't find that one? | 18:24 |
| merlin1991 | oh ffs, it does find the source | 18:25 |
| * merlin1991 shouldn't depend on apt-cache search too much | 18:25 | |
| Pali | AFAIK osso-pdf-viewer is in NON-free section :D | 18:25 |
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| merlin1991 | hm now it's time to find the translations source | 18:27 |
| Pali | I do not know where are l10n packages... | 18:28 |
| merlin1991 | has to be somewhere | 18:28 |
| merlin1991 | at least I remember you said the copying of the l10n package said it has same copyright as the osso-pdf-viewer pacakge | 18:28 |
| Pali | yes | 18:29 |
| Pali | it deb packages are in SDK or nokia-binaries repo | 18:30 |
| Pali | or on downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 18:30 |
| Pali | I got from Nokia Maemo5 DVD with source code, but all l10n packages are missing on that DVD... | 18:32 |
| Pali | I checked my local backup of all Maemo packages and osso-pdf-viewer-l10n-* is only on downloads.maemo.nokia.com | 18:33 |
| Pali | so no sources :-( | 18:34 |
| merlin1991 | yea, no sources | 18:35 |
| merlin1991 | but copyright claims we should have them having a pdf-viewer that is gpl | 18:35 |
| Pali | yes | 18:35 |
| Pali | ask nokia :D | 18:35 |
| merlin1991 | what was the proper request for gpl sources ? | 18:35 |
| Pali | write to sourcecode.request@nokia.com | 18:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask for source of all i18n! | 18:39 |
| merlin1991 | isn't it i10n ;) | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | yeah | 18:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | L18N, I10N ? | 18:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah, L10N, I18N | 18:41 |
| Pali | or you can write to: Source Code Requests, Nokia Corporation, P.O. Box 407, FI-00045 Nokia Group, Finland | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | localization, internationalization | 18:41 |
| DocScrutinizer | i*n, l*n :-P | 18:42 |
| merlin1991 | whatever :P | 18:42 |
| Pali | and refuse sending Maemo 5 DVD with source code - it does not include l10n packages... | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: btw much appreciating all your work | 18:42 |
| merlin1991 | I'll got with a email for now | 18:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: yours as well | 18:42 |
| Pali | I wrote a lot of mails, but only what I got is that certman applet :-) | 18:43 |
| Pali | all other is closed | 18:43 |
| Pali | ...they wrote to me | 18:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, simply asking for disclosure usually is prone to fail. You frequently need to convince the bosses why Nokia is obliged to throw manpower at it | 18:44 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: this case is different | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | and you usually could count on devels being on your side | 18:45 |
| merlin1991 | it's not a reqeust for license change but actually asking for gpl compliance :D | 18:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's fine then - should work if you explain it in clear words, so devels can escalate it to "the bosses" to get permission to assign working hours to the task | 18:46 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: can I use your name in the email as source that the l10n source is not on the source dvd? | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | for the bosses there's only business reasons to decide for or against sth | 18:47 |
| Pali | merlin1991, ok you can write that sources are missing on my DVD | 18:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E. "are we obliged to do that? Or will it give a ROI in either sales or corporate image?" | 18:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | you got prety good cards for all things that Nokia is obliged to do according to GPL, as - I think - even the bosses understood GPL by now (not the spirit but the mere regulations). You'll have a much harder time to convince them there might be some sort of ROI in disclosing nokia closed stuff | 18:51 |
| RST38h | Doc: "if I allow that, will my bosses whip my ass and then fire me?" | 18:54 |
| RST38h | "Will legal department people come looking for the source of intellectual property leak?" | 18:55 |
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| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: your idea of "the bosses" is incorrect. Those are responsible for a whole project like e.g. maemo, and they have no legal department people controlling them, they control the legal department of their project. And it's actually the manpower the legal department has to assign to a disclosing task that makes the bosses reluctant to advice their team (incl legal) to do some opensourcing, as long as there's not either a clear | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | obligation which could have negative impact on cost for civil lawsuits and on company reputation if not fulfilled, or they need to see some benefit in doing this task that clearly shows up in next year's sales numbers | 19:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | devels won't disclose anything on their own, though usually they would like to. Tjhey however happily escalate a request from outside to the bosses, if and only if that request sounds like it complies with the general guidelines in ^^^ | 19:02 |
| merlin1991 | looks good: http://paste.debian.net/149484/ ? | 19:06 |
| merlin1991 | as in making clear that Nokia is obliged to do according to GPL ? | 19:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: add on bottom "I kindly request you to either publish or send to me the sources in question" | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | all the rest is perfect | 19:09 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: what DocScrutinizer said; and I'd also add that the request is not because of some abstract GPL compliance campaign but because the sources are needed for $whatever-in-cssu | 19:10 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: maybe something like "While we tried to do $foo in CSSU we noticed that the sources are not available ..." as an intro | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: yeah, and maybe s/violation/not in compliance with/ | 19:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | though the whole sentence is correct, it sounds a bit harsh | 19:13 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | we are kind, aren't we? :-D | 19:14 |
| merlin1991 | ofc we are | 19:14 |
| Pali | merlin1991, you can also write that osso-pdf-viewer is GPL and that l10n packages must be under gpl too (derivated work) | 19:15 |
| merlin1991 | k mail is sent, now the waiting begins | 19:15 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: I'm not sure how a translation is derivated work, though I'm not a lawyer | 19:15 |
| Pali | ok | 19:16 |
| Pali | at least osso-pdf-viewer using that strings | 19:16 |
| Pali | strings are part of program, so strings should be gpl compatible... | 19:16 |
| merlin1991 | yeah that angle should work, osso-pdf-viewer depends on the langague strings --> gpl | 19:16 |
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| Pali | merlin1991, can you import my patched version of osso-calculator-engine into gitorious cssu? | 19:18 |
| merlin1991 | that was the next thing I wanted todo :)= | 19:18 |
| Pali | ok :-) | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, I hope into testing for now | 19:19 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: don't worry, stable is very debian style in order of updating / incorporating packages | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'd not like to learn VANILLA flasher process is using osso-calculator-engine to calculate size of partitions on eMMC and the whole eMMC flashing fails due to some syntax change glitch in there | 19:20 |
| merlin1991 | also he's talking about gitorious and not the deb repos | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, I realized that | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, git as in "not in any particular branch yet" | 19:21 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 19:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, fine with me | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | actually I think this osso-calculator-engine could use proper bracket handling | 19:24 |
| merlin1991 | arf | 19:26 |
| * merlin1991 hates git | 19:26 | |
| merlin1991 | or rather git on windows | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | the concept/architecture is weird enough, to build a osso wrapper around it rather than simply interfacing it via direct STDIn/STDOUT piping of a system() call | 19:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | err, what's been the cmdline name of this osso calc again? | 19:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | for unknown reasons it doesn't shot up on my t900 | 19:30 |
| merlin1991 | osso_calculator | 19:31 |
| Pali | osso_calculator_engine | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | , _ | 19:31 |
| merlin1991 | and that ofc :D | 19:31 |
| merlin1991 | anybody care to explain osso wrapper to me? | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | hah | 19:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: I actually got nfc what this osso_calculator_engine does for osso, except not answering to help, -h, --help, on cli | 19:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | and opening a stdin when invoked without parameters, which can't get closed by ^C, ^D, or "exit" | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | and also doesn't reply to "help" | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | nor to anything else | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-o | 19:37 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/osso-calculator-engine | 19:37 |
| merlin1991 | I pushed the current state of your repo too | 19:37 |
| Pali | you can pass args osso_calculator_engine --dp -- <string> | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: quite obviously it's based on calctool | 19:38 |
| Pali | merlin1991, ok | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | I guess the osso "wrapper" will allow to talk to that process via dbus or similar reason | 19:39 |
| merlin1991 | yay, plasma desktop crashed again | 19:39 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# osso_calculator_engine --dp -- help | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | "dp" is undefined | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | Error in commands | 19:40 |
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| Pali | osso_calculator_engine -dp -- "1+1" | 19:41 |
| Pali | this is using both original and my osso_calculator | 19:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, it still doesn't yield any proper help | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | except for -? which at least gives a ultraterse messybox alike usage info | 19:47 |
| merlin1991 | I bet it's still better than the average messybox help | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-P | 19:48 |
| merlin1991 | is it like Usage: osso_calculator_engine [OPTIONS] command | 19:48 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 19:48 |
| merlin1991 | that would be straight messybox style :P | 19:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# osso_calculator_engine | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | C-style arbitrary precision calculator (version 2.11.10) | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Calc is open software. For license details type: help copyright | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Type "exit" to exit, or "help" for help.] | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | . | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | t900:~# osso_calculator_engine -? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Illegal option -? | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | usage: osso_calculator_engine [-a] [-c] [-C] [-d] [-e] [-h] [-i] [-m mode] | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | [-D calc_debug[:resource_debug[:user_debug]]] | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | [-O] [-p] [-q] [-u] [-v] [--] [calc_cmd ...] | 19:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | . | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | . | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Type "exit" to exit, or "help" for help.] | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | help | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^C | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Abort level 1] | 19:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | exit | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | 4 + 3 | 19:51 |
| merlin1991 | srly DocScrutinizer you do know there is such a thing as pastebin | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | ^D doesn't help either | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | sorry, this friggin osso_calculator_engine hijacked my console, no way to pastebin anything | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | ;-P | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | es evil as pnatd :-/ | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | worse, as it doesn't even do anything | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm tempted to call this a bug | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin useless POS | 19:56 |
| Pali | this is Nokia feature - not working app :D | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | indeed | 19:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | so for cssu we should fix it | 19:59 |
| Pali | I think nokia disabled/commented code which read from stdin... | 19:59 |
| Pali | reduce size of binary :D | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | obviously not, they just commented out the parser for that input | 19:59 |
| merlin1991 | Pali: did X-Fade get anywhere with the powerkernel extras-testing issue? | 20:00 |
| DocScrutinizer | which results in the process opening a read from stdin and never exiting from it | 20:01 |
| Pali | I'm trying contact X-Fade for one month - but without success | 20:01 |
| Pali | he tried to do somthing with kernel-power package but it is still not fixed | 20:01 |
| merlin1991 | btw should pk49 work with uboot? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm considering to replace osso_calculator_engine by original calctool and just creating a hardlink for the name | 20:02 |
| Pali | merlin1991, with which version of uboot? | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | binary size is no argument since this crap shall live on opt anyway | 20:02 |
| Pali | I think kernel-power should work with u-boot | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | every kernel should work with uboot, if both fit into the kernel partition of NAND | 20:03 |
| Pali | DocScrutinizer, if you know where is problem, you could try to fix that problem | 20:03 |
| Pali | hour ago I sent u-boot rx51 patches to u-boot mainling list | 20:04 |
| Pali | (rebased on top of u-boot master) | 20:04 |
| Pali | it has still one problem: battery draining after u-boot is booted (and also when kernel/maemo too) | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh, what? | 20:05 |
| Pali | maybe other uboot people can fix that | 20:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | so you say uboot is draining battery with powerkernel? | 20:06 |
| Pali | this is only problem of u-boot master - not old versions | 20:06 |
| Pali | with ANY kernels | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | dang | 20:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | a showstopper | 20:06 |
| Pali | but first step is to see u-boot in upstream | 20:07 |
| Pali | next will be fixing bugs | 20:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | please make sure this crap doesn't eventually propagate back in to our main branch from "upstream" | 20:07 |
| Pali | nobody is builing new u-boot versions - all using one precompiled version | 20:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | upstreaming buggy versions is a bad idea | 20:08 |
| Pali | u-boot interface is changing very quicky and I have to big problem to rebasing patches on top of u-boot master | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | Pali: and actually that last statement of yours is utterly incorrect | 20:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | there are quite a number of people who build uboot frequently, and none of them is using the prebuilt maemo version | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | as they are working on completely unrelated distros | 20:10 |
| Pali | and what version? | 20:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | with their own kernel etc | 20:10 |
| Pali | only that maemo u-boot patches is working... | 20:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, upstreaming buggy versions is a bad idea | 20:11 |
| Pali | I know, but I do not rebasing patches again | 20:11 |
| Pali | we can stop and use old u-boot version with our unmaintainable patches... | 20:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | I really don't understand. Why go those patches upstream now? | 20:15 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, you said you sent them to ML. well maybe they get rejected there, as you maybe mentioned they are buggy | 20:16 |
| Pali | yes | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | so somebody else might pick up on them and try to get them into shape for upstream | 20:17 |
| Pali | I sent patches for commenting them | 20:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | if they are aware there's some open issue with them | 20:18 |
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