IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Sunday, 2011-11-20

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Macerso is cssu on the official maemo.org repo yet? :)00:05
Maceror is it still a testing stable?00:05
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DocScrutinizer51the stable is probably not yet on official repo00:51
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DocScrutinizerhmm, so we got a strategy to cope with the mess Tmaemo1 is causing?01:59
DocScrutinizerASAP01:59
DocScrutinizeror rather, we got a proper analysis of the mess it is causing?01:59
DocScrutinizerto start with02:00
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ^^^02:00
DocScrutinizerare we facing a "meh, we'll sort this with next release" class of a problem, or a showstopper?02:02
gregoawhich mess?02:03
DocScrutinizer[2011-11-19 19:53:40] <sam23m> i cant update latest cssu testing it says packages missing maemosec-certman-applet and libmaemo-certman-applet002:03
DocScrutinizer[2011-11-19 19:13:21] <arcean> oh crap, hildon-desktop and -home are not updated in 1Tmaemo102:04
DocScrutinizer[2011-11-19 18:02:04] <MohammadAG> X-Fade, fix Packages, it's missing the new applets02:04
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gregoamhm. I didn't encounter this (certman) problem when upgrading. maybe because I already had them from nokia02:05
DocScrutinizeryup, sounds plausible02:05
gregoa"apt-cache policy maemosec-certman-applet" seems to confirm it (only nokia repo as possible source)02:06
* DocScrutinizer ponders to finally accept the offered CSSU update in HAM, then watch it fall apart and pick up the pieces02:07
DocScrutinizerstepping back to lok at it, it can't have too much impact on usability, apart form settings-certs applet02:08
DocScrutinizerooh well02:09
DocScrutinizertime for a reboot with BM-backup02:09
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DocScrutinizergregoa:02:55
DocScrutinizerIroN900:~# apt-cache policy maemosec-certman-applet02:55
DocScrutinizermaemosec-certman-applet:02:55
DocScrutinizer  Installed: 0.1.4+0m502:55
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DocScrutinizer        500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages02:55
DocScrutinizerupdate Tmaemo1 went smoothly though, and I'm rather sure I didn't update to PR1.3.1 previously02:56
DocScrutinizerso I gather my version should be older than yours?02:56
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uros1unable to update CSSU this morning, update manager says "connect to your PC, but I only have Linux on PC without Nokia PC suite.10:42
uros1Is there any workaround10:42
ekzetry updating from xterm using apt-get upgrade10:45
uros1okay tnx mate10:45
ekzealso check installation faq - http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ10:46
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uros1what you think apt-get update/apt-get upgrade10:48
uros1or apt-get dist-upgrade?10:48
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ekzeupdate just updates your package list cache, upgrade will install the latest version of your out-of-date packages10:50
ekzedist-upgrade would do the same, but may install additional packages10:51
uros1i know, using linux over 5 years10:51
uros1od desktop10:51
uros1*on10:51
ekzeyou can just do upgrade and then you'd get a proper error message10:52
uros1okay fire up apt-get upgrade, just now10:52
ekzethat one about nokia pc suite is usually not right, but that seems to be the only error message hildon application manager knows ^^10:52
uros1:)10:53
uros1done. reboot now10:58
ekze^^10:58
uros1so far so good11:00
uros1first battery widget says 0% battery11:01
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merlin1991does anyone ever read the http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Installation_FAQ12:08
merlin1991especially Q: I can't update, as I get the message: TO UPDATE YOUR DEVICE TO THIS VERSION OF THE OPERATING SYSTEM YOU MUST USE NOKIA PC SUITE ON YOUR PC. CONNECT THE DEVICE TO YOUR PC VIA A USB CABLE AND LAUNCH THE APPLICATION.12:08
merlin1991A: RTFM. Specifically, see the banner at the top of this page(!): the message is misleading. In the majority of the cases, it is either needed to free up some disk space or fix some conflicts with other packages. Before taking any action, check the "Problems" tab in the dialog for more details.12:08
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: can you add that to the topic in some way?12:09
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merlin1991also uros1 if you want to install a cssu update manually it's best to call apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr12:10
gregoaDocScrutinizer: exactly the same here (maemosec-certman-applet version)12:13
merlin1991gregoa: do  you have the nokia ssu repo enabled?12:13
merlin1991because if that's enabled one should get it from there, but we can't rely on that so we have to have it in our repo too12:14
gregoamerlin1991: yup (x2)12:15
merlin1991MohammadAG: PINGPING12:21
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: pongpong13:27
merlin1991hey DocScrutinizer13:27
merlin1991i do need mag though13:27
merlin1991it looks like he didn't push a single package source to gitorious of -T1713:29
DocScrutinizeranyway you got temporary +o to add to the topic whatever you want. I'd add you to access list but to do this I'd need to get some more privileges on that list myself13:29
merlin1991thanks13:29
DocScrutinizerwatch your IRC server welcome info msgs for max topic length though13:31
merlin1991hm gotta find that one13:31
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merlin1991yeah I found it too13:32
merlin199139013:32
DocScrutinizerwatch your topic ;-P13:34
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merlin1991oops13:41
merlin1991damn it13:41
merlin1991I even checked the lenght, but didn't realize I copy pasted too much :D13:41
merlin1991thanks for fixing13:41
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: ( it looks like he didn't push a single package source to gitorious of -T17) errr :-/13:50
merlin1991well most source is there13:50
merlin1991but the changes to the packaging files is missing13:51
merlin1991and according to arcean even some code commits of h-d13:51
DocScrutinizeryeah, the "about" tab in HAM is rather unspecific either13:51
merlin1991what does it say?13:52
DocScrutinizeryou'd think the X-CHANGES (or whatever it was) tag is known and generally used meanwhile13:52
merlin1991nah13:52
merlin1991I know it13:52
merlin1991and I'm going to use it13:52
merlin1991but within the extras repository maybe 5% of the packages use it13:53
* DocScrutinizer sips his coffee to save his life13:54
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* DocScrutinizer wonders idly what's status of that one http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=49904 (profiles)15:09
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DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: ping19:53
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eichihttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog there is no changelog for latest version?20:40
merlin1991no there isn't21:03
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: Pong21:03
eichimerlin1991: yeah, I know. But thats not good ;)21:03
MohammadAGWhat h-d commits, I didn't change the source21:03
merlin1991MohammadAG: PUSH SOURCES FFS21:04
MohammadAGBesides mp-fremantle-community-pr what else is missing?21:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: can we get those friggin pkgs on CSSU-T repo in a usable form?21:05
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: that's up to X-Fade21:05
merlin1991who is currently mia21:05
DocScrutinizerMohammadAG: seems for now they are pulled from Nokia repo, and install fails if that isn't available21:05
merlin1991since friday21:05
DocScrutinizermhm21:05
DocScrutinizerk21:05
merlin1991and we can't do a thing21:05
DocScrutinizerthat's normal for weekends21:06
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: I already told him21:06
DocScrutinizerthanks21:06
MohammadAGapt's do is borked21:06
merlin1991MohammadAG: dunno there might be others, I'll know that when I've done the changelog21:08
arceanMohammadAG: take a look at https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/commits/master21:11
arceanmerlin1991: especially a commit from 25th of september21:11
MohammadAGarcean: What about it21:12
merlin1991arcean: that one was in the last testing already afaik21:12
MohammadAGWe changed dsmetool's behavior and that was in 16.821:12
MohammadAGSo I don't see what's missing21:12
freemangordonMohammadAG, what about debian/changelog?21:12
freemangordonI don't see a commit21:13
MohammadAGOf h-d?21:13
freemangordonyep21:13
MohammadAGhttps://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/commit/e2ae649810c40c769fb0f3d31c4945845b9d1a3821:13
freemangordonok, commit title is misleading21:14
arceanMohammadAG: ok21:14
MohammadAGS21:15
MohammadAGSorry about that21:15
freemangordonnp, if the code is there we could live with it :)21:15
merlin1991MohammadAG: your worst commit so far: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/commit/3ec3b0449db6594a025f887e49b58dec13abfbe321:16
DocScrutinizerwhat's with this qt-test incompatibility?21:18
merlin1991there is none21:19
merlin1991the problem is21:19
merlin1991some applications depend on it even thought there is no point doing that21:19
merlin1991cssu doesn't depend on it21:20
merlin1991but the qt-test depends on core < cssu21:20
merlin1991so you have to remove it manually so ham/apt can install the one from the cssu repo21:20
merlin1991we should simply depend on it, it would solve that issue once and for all21:20
arceanMohammadAG: are you sure, the commit from 25th is already included? IIRC CSSU-testing 16.8 was released earlier, 9th of september21:20
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1126148&postcount=230 seems my answer was correct then21:22
merlin1991yeah21:23
merlin1991S will depend on libqttest just for the sake of preventing that crap21:27
DocScrutinizerOMG21:30
DocScrutinizerwhat a junk *is* this qt-test? what for is it needed?21:31
merlin1991it is a junk as in compiles from the source package and has automated tests for qt itself21:31
merlin1991just like libc has automated testing of itself21:31
merlin1991but for some fsckd reason it was in the maemo repo21:32
merlin1991and some really fsckd people decided to DEPEND on it21:32
DocScrutinizerisn't that the class of idiocies we have a mission to kill in CSSU?21:32
merlin1991we can't go and kill maintainers of packages in extras :D21:33
DocScrutinizerhehe, though I'd really like to21:33
DocScrutinizermy approach: keep it for S, but nuke it on T - tell users they shall pester maintainers of pkgs that break on missing libqttest, and if they nevertheless want to continue to use those borked apps they need to install it manually21:36
PaliMohammadAG: can you look at my tvout plugins? (status menu, control panel, deskop widget)?21:41
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer: Python-qt4 depends on it21:46
MohammadAGThat's a meta package that developers shouldn't depend on, but khertan depends on it for some reason21:46
DocScrutinizerFUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU.....21:46
MohammadAGSo everyone who has khweeteur has it21:46
DocScrutinizernow THAT sounds like sth we need a bugfix for in CSSU21:47
MohammadAGProblem is, the depend is (= version)21:47
MohammadAGNot greater that equal but rather if and only if21:47
DocScrutinizeryep, got it21:47
MohammadAGNo, it's something achila should fix21:47
MohammadAGAchila21:47
DocScrutinizerhow hard could it be to fix at least that?21:47
MohammadAGachipa, fuck you iOS yet again21:47
merlin1991MohammadAG: but I'll depend in stable on it since updates break still when libqt4-test is installed21:48
merlin1991even if nothing depends on it21:48
merlin1991because the lib depends on core = version21:48
MohammadAGBasically the fix is21:48
merlin1991and if mp doesn't depend on it you have mp wants core, but lib wants core < mp core21:49
MohammadAGKhertan shouldn't depend on path21:49
merlin1991that too :D21:49
MohammadAGPython-qt4, but rather the modules he needs21:49
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merlin1991MohammadAG: I still see no mp commit on gitorious22:35
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* amiconn grumbles a bit about the latest cssu :\\23:43
amiconnWhy does a cssu update always disable bluetooth?23:43
MohammadAGBecause HAM sends the device into offline mode23:45
amiconnYeah, but after the update it switches back to online mode. Why can't it properly restore the previous state?23:46
amiconnIt always takes me a bit of head scratching to find out why my handsfree doesn't work23:47
* amiconn normally leaves bluetooth enabled all the time23:47
MohammadAGamiconn: Idk, looks like an mce issue23:55
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