IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Friday, 2011-11-11

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DocScrutinizer\o/ good call00:07
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Macerfield?00:33
Maceroh. guess i did cross channels00:33
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* merlin1991 has to reflash, ... AGAIN01:27
merlin1991luckily I'm starting to be a real professional in terms of flashing :D01:29
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merlin1991that space where the n900 saves that it has flashed must look funky (provided it saves dates too)01:31
merlin1991imagine somone @ nokia checking the device, WTF 5 flashes within 6 hrs?01:31
merlin1991hm did we ever have a valid bugreport for h-d not installing the transistions.ini?01:46
merlin1991it does exactly that for me atm01:46
merlin1991and I had thought that the stable repo is finished01:53
* merlin1991 hunts bugs again01:54
arcean_merlin1991: hd doesn't overwrite the old transitions.ini?01:56
merlin1991yes01:56
merlin1991upon a first installation01:56
merlin1991on a newly flashed device01:57
arcean_IIRC it's a feature not a bug :)01:57
merlin1991and whatabout the new settings in transistions?01:57
merlin1991this way I have a stock file that is m00t01:58
arcean_merlin1991: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/commit/5adc4b248cf2eccce758d454aa42d9511210fc3c01:58
arcean_debian/hildon-desktop.conffiles01:58
arcean_(1 / 0)01:58
merlin1991arcean_: yeah, it makes totally sense for cssu-upgrades01:59
arcean_you have to remove debian/hildon-desktop.conffiles01:59
merlin1991but the initial installation of cssu should provide the new file01:59
merlin1991I guess the enabler needs a lil more code02:00
* merlin1991 hopes for a single line fix02:02
arcean_or a good script for a preinst and if transitions.ini md5 is != original one => do not replace file02:03
arcean_or something like this02:03
merlin1991nah that would be just the same as conffile does02:03
merlin1991either I add transistions.ini.ex as a pkg file02:03
merlin1991so users have the options, or I find a way in the enabler to work around this02:04
merlin1991btw thanks arcean_ for pointing out that commit, I had totallly forgotten that one02:05
arcean_merlin1991: you're welcome02:07
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arcean_anyway I'm heading the bed02:07
arcean_bbl02:07
merlin1991gn :)02:08
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I'm starting to see your point with those silly popups installers do on the device02:17
DocScrutinizersill ypopups?02:28
DocScrutinizeraaah yes02:28
DocScrutinizerpopups should be a HAM-only thing02:28
DocScrutinizernot get invoked by apt-get install02:29
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I dunno if you could kill them by $> DISPLAY=null apt-get install popupapp02:30
merlin1991I bet apt just stays in an dead loop then since you can't even hit ok then :D02:31
DocScrutinizera requester with OK button is really bad.02:31
DocScrutinizerbut usually I think those popups are invoked by dbus-send02:32
DocScrutinizerso DISPLAY wouldn't help either, but also an OK button wouldn't change the dbus-send call's retiurn code02:32
DocScrutinizerif there's some cmdline tool that opens a blocking (aka sync) requester and waits for user hitting OK | CANCEL, then I'd expect it to fail when $DISPLAY is moot, and thus return error02:33
DocScrutinizeryou *could* trick that as well, by aliasing therequesterbinary to /bin/true in /mydir/bin, then do $> PATH=/mydir/bin:$PATH apt-get install popupapp02:35
DocScrutinizerunless of course the requesterbinary gets invoked by FQN in the install scripts02:36
DocScrutinizerin which case only hard measures lile renaming the original requesterbinary and the placing a symlink to /bin/true could help you out02:37
DocScrutinizeror - better - replace the requesterbinary by a wrapper that first checks for some conditions like $NOPOPUP existing and "true", or apt-get running, or whatever you think is appropriate to deal with the issue. Then call or not call the true requesterbinary02:39
DocScrutinizerprobably best check if HAM is running02:40
DocScrutinizerif not, no requester02:40
DocScrutinizerat least no X requester02:41
DocScrutinizerrather a simple echo "hit enter bla bla bla" >&2; read <202:42
DocScrutinizerBS, of course a simple "read answer"02:43
* merlin1991 reflashes and checks fix for transistions.ini02:44
merlin1991fixing bugs related to community-ssu-enabler is tedious work02:45
DocScrutinizerread -i "do you really know what you're doing?" -p "Y/n" answer; if [ x$answer == xy -o x$answer == xY ]; then return; else return 555;02:46
DocScrutinizer-i is BS02:53
DocScrutinizerI gather busybox has no select either02:53
DocScrutinizerselect reply in yes no; do if [ $reply == yes ]...02:54
merlin1991heh installing this version of cssu stable hopefully for the last time02:58
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: oh yes, tedious work02:58
DocScrutinizeryou use backupmenu restore?02:58
merlin1991nope02:58
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DocScrutinizerI'd prefer restoring a clean rootfs from backup rathe than reflashing02:59
DocScrutinizerthe only problem: I never used BM restore, so *if* it fails I'm fsckd03:00
DocScrutinizerwhich makes me a bit reluctant at helping with testing03:00
DocScrutinizerdang I oughta have tested BM restore before I installed all this stuff to my daily phone03:01
merlin1991:D03:01
merlin1991yeah having a backup strategy first is always a good idea :D03:02
DocScrutinizera *tested* strategy03:02
merlin1991ofc03:02
DocScrutinizerthe one most popular epic failure on that stuff -> "ooops we learnt restore never worked for acme-backup. alas we learnt when we needed it"03:03
merlin1991this cssu release is getting a slight touch03:03
DocScrutinizertouch of what?03:04
merlin1991already 3 packages that have modifications03:04
DocScrutinizerHAH03:04
* DocScrutinizer mumbles "hope you document those" and waves with the whip03:04
DocScrutinizer;-D03:04
merlin1991http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ChangelogStable03:05
DocScrutinizercoool shit03:05
merlin1991I didn't add the adjustment to the enabler to that list though03:05
merlin1991but I think I'm done now03:06
merlin1991enabler change will be documented in install notices03:06
merlin1991when we have the true repo :)03:06
* merlin1991 can finally go back to writing http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable03:06
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: you're awesome03:07
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merlin1991the cssu section in transistions.ini should really be renamed to something else but thp_tweaks03:19
merlin1991I love it how the stable features page is going to be more accurately in time than the orginal one :D03:22
* merlin1991 found yet another usuability error03:28
merlin1991whitelist is implemented in current h-d but not in the transistions.ini03:28
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: help me out 0 is false and anything else is true in c or the other way round?03:34
merlin1991(I'm currently slightly brainfucked)03:34
DocScrutinizeron THIS particular question I'm always prainfucked, but if you got checks like if filehandle then print OK I'd say 0 is false03:39
mr_jrtI believe true is strictly speaking -1 (i.e. 0xFFFFFFFF on 32bits, but essentially it's !false, with false being 0)03:50
merlin1991HEH LOL03:50
merlin1991we've got proper whitelisting but it's nowhere documented03:51
* merlin1991 writes some docs03:51
merlin1991damn I'd need MohammadAG04:03
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/commit/8790c5410105d2ed02287c6a7693ef91288489f304:14
DocScrutinizerLOL04:18
* DocScrutinizer feels happy others actually care about his rant04:19
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merlin1991I've found a bug wich I'm going to fix and mg for the next testing :)04:26
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable04:32
merlin1991I think I've done everything besides a bit of testing on devices to get this stable cssu out into the wild .)04:32
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: you're a beast04:32
DocScrutinizerI think we did the right thing to tell you that you have to volunteer for S-maintainer ;-D04:33
merlin1991hehe04:34
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: section "gconf settings" - please make clear what's the default04:35
merlin1991I thought it's kinda obvious that all those settings are not the defaults :D04:36
DocScrutinizeron second thought it's kinda deducable04:36
DocScrutinizer"CSSU Stable comes with default settings to act like stock PR1.3 - to enable additional functions via gconf you can do:..."04:37
DocScrutinizerbtw the generic MHD settings (as mentioned in ~jrtools) are missing04:39
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merlin1991I went for: The cssu stable branch comes with default settings that are considered stable, you can enable various features by tweaking the following settings:04:43
merlin1991generic mhd is linked too04:47
DocScrutinizercool04:47
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Maceri have a question. these other phones out there that show batter percentage while charging.. is it done via some sort of special hardware or is it simply the same way maemo on the n900 does it except in reverse09:01
MacerIE.. it simply keeps a database reflecting where the battery should be at a certain point09:01
Macerand remembers those points to determine where it should be at given x amount of time charging09:02
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DocScrutinizerwho says N900 does it this way?10:08
DocScrutinizerbq27200 implements a Coulomb counter that correctly integrates current over time, aka "counts electrons"10:09
DocScrutinizerwhat bme does otoh is largely unknown10:09
DocScrutinizerwe know bme talks to bq27200, but we don't know if bme is actually using the Coulomb values delivered by that chip10:10
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DocScrutinizerwhat we also know is that bme does *not* keep any large database, esp not in rootfs - though bme actually *does* some datawriting to CAL10:12
DocScrutinizerfor such a table you assumed a set of 10 integers might be sufficient10:14
DocScrutinizerto learn more about LiIon charging and the problems in estimating relative available capacity during charging process you may want to read about LiIon CC/CV charging scheme10:16
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Siceloso, ready to test 'Stable'. where do i get it?13:58
* Sicelo makes backup using BackupMenu in the meantime14:09
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: pind ^^^^14:10
DocScrutinizerping even14:10
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merlin1991Sicelo: http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/community-fremantle.install14:58
merlin1991(it's on my server for now)14:58
merlin1991make sure you've removed modified hildon desktop prior to installing14:59
merlin1991also see http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/FeaturesStable for stuff to enable / disable15:00
Sicelothanks. mhd removed already ;)15:01
merlin1991btw after enabinbling the repository jsut wait15:05
merlin1991ham takes his time :)15:05
* amiconn would actually like to know why ham is so extremely slow when updating package lists15:13
merlin1991ham checks a few more dependencies and flags compared to apt15:13
merlin1991and is incredible slow in doing so :P15:13
merlin1991Sicelo: did the installation run fine?15:14
Sicelonow installing SSU enabler :P15:23
Siceloam on a 256kbps connection15:23
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Lava_Crofthttp://lcd.satgnu.net/pics/annah/20111111_009.jpg15:35
Lava_Crofti need a new one:<15:35
Lava_Croftthis one is getting old15:35
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Siceloduct tape to the rescue ;)15:44
Sicelothat looks nice though. i need one :/15:44
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Sicelodevice rebooting now all seemed fine till now15:59
Sicelos/w a/w. a/15:59
Siceloheh, infobot isn't here15:59
Sicelohmm, i was on PR1.3.1 before. now back on 1.316:13
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Siceloin Theme Customizer, i had set to not show background of icons in desktop, now that's greyed out :(16:15
Sicelootherwise things are running fine16:15
Sicelo\0/ cssu16:15
Lava_CroftSicelo: set the transparency of desktop widgets in theme customizer16:18
Lava_Croftthat also sets icon backgrounds16:18
Sicelogreyed out16:18
Lava_Croftmeh which one was it again16:18
Lava_Crofttheres two options you can use16:18
Sicelomodest and camera still works as expected16:18
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merlin1991Sicelo: where does it say pr 1.3 as opposed to 1.31?16:20
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merlin1991Sicelo: true it says the old product version in the produktinfo16:21
* merlin1991 wonders why16:21
merlin1991even though the packages are in the new version now, wtf?16:22
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mr_jrtNow that we have a seperate stable CSSU, is there a greater chance of pali's open getbootstate making it's way into the testing CSSU? Admittedly there's no outward changes, but for me it's more about the principle of moving as much as we can to an open system.16:33
merlin1991getbootstate?16:33
merlin1991mr_jrt: could you elaborate on getbootstate?16:39
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NIN101getbootstate is used by system scripts to determinate in which bootstate we are, so e.g. flash, act_dead, user etc. and it is closed source. So a major component of maemo boot process.16:49
merlin1991thanks17:01
* merlin1991 wonders how the fsckd prouctinfo applet handles version number17:02
merlin1991MohammadAG: ping17:02
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Siceloshortcut backgrounds seem to be a known problem, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1198917:24
povbotBug 11989: App shortcut background is still there. But set to invisible with theme customizer.17:24
merlin1991do you have theme customizer installed?17:28
Siceloyes17:29
merlin1991I'm just checking the current version, but earlier version worked in an insane way that conflicted directly with cssu17:30
Siceloi really like having no background. i have theme-customizer 0.9-7717:32
merlin1991okay theme customizer shouldn't break your cssu, that's the good news17:33
merlin1991bad news, dunno about that nobg patch17:34
merlin1991afaik we planned on integrating that with cssu hildon-home17:34
Siceloyeah, everything else works fine so far, and desktop seems a bit faster than before.17:34
merlin1991btw did you have a modded transistions.ini?17:37
Sicelono. unless theme customizer did something. i do have transition-control, but had not changed anything yet17:40
merlin1991Sicelo: I just tried and the manual way works17:45
merlin1991ssh in, or sudogainroot ;)17:45
Siceloaha.. am listening :)17:46
merlin1991and rename the ApplicationShortcutApplet.png and the ApplicationShortcutAppletPressed.png in /opt/usr/share/themes/yourtheme/images/17:46
merlin1991+ reboot17:46
merlin1991dang looks like I'll have to reflash again to find out why the product version is wrong17:53
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Sicelomaybe related to removal of mp-fremantle... before install :/17:53
merlin1991did you remove mp-fremantle by hand?17:54
Sicelobtw, rename those png's to what?17:54
merlin1991anything, you might wnat them back17:54
merlin1991I suggest something like origname.old or origname.backup17:54
Siceloyeah, my system has no mp-fremantle..blame DocScrutinizer ;)17:54
Sicelolol17:54
Sicelobtw, this cssu didn't remove rtcom-something-voip :)17:56
merlin1991int only did it on some devices17:57
merlin1991nfc why17:57
merlin1991it never did on mine, I think it was only on devices that weren't flashed to 1.3 but ota updated from 1.217:57
Siceloyay! desktop very fast. lemme reboot17:58
merlin1991reflashed rootfs /me puts on detective hat18:05
merlin1991hehe cssu meeting in 1 hr18:06
merlin1991X-Fade seems to abandon his irc whenever i ping him18:06
Siceloheh18:06
Sicelothanks for that hint. worked perfectly. :)18:07
amiconnmerlin1991: That may actually be the case. I never reflashed my n900 so far18:08
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X-Fademerlin1991: Sorry a lot of windows open, doing a lot of work :)18:21
merlin1991I don't know if mohammad contacted you about the certman applet for cssu yet18:22
merlin1991also stable branch is about ready to start kicking and we (I) will need the upload procedure18:23
X-FadeWe spoke about it some tome ago.18:23
X-Fade*time18:23
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X-FadeI need to see about the upload part for multiple people.18:25
X-FadeAs now it is only possible for one account.18:26
X-FadeAnd I like to have a trail of who did what, so sharing the account is out of the question.18:26
merlin1991the cssu team now has me as maintainer of stable and mohammad as maintainer of testing18:26
X-FadeOk, well one person is easy.18:27
merlin1991yeah ofc you'd like to know who screwd up :)18:27
X-FadeWell, yeah. Not only to blame, but if something gets hacked or a weird package is uploaded, we need to be able to see who was compromised.18:27
X-FadeIt is just common sense :)18:28
DocScrutinizerugh meeting18:28
DocScrutinizerI forgot18:28
merlin1991still 0.5 hrs Doc18:28
merlin1991I hope I have stable ready by then18:29
merlin1991the only thing that's missing is, that for some wicked reason it reports as pr.13 in productinfo18:30
DocScrutinizerwell, wasn't that always like that?18:35
merlin1991yes but it should report as 1.3.1 now18:35
merlin1991not as 1.318:35
DocScrutinizer51err, not if we didn't update to 1.3.1 before installing cssu18:36
merlin1991err ye18:36
merlin1991because it will include EVERYTHING 1.3.1 has over .1318:36
merlin1991as in updated certman + applet18:36
DocScrutinizer51maemo5 20.2010.36-218:37
DocScrutinizer51everything except mp18:37
DocScrutinizer51obviouslz product version is that of MP18:38
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merlin1991well my testpackage in the testrepo for stable has version 21.2011.38-1Smaemo0.4 but the productionfo applet still shows 20.2010.36-218:41
Sicelowhat is mp?18:42
DocScrutinizerMetaPackage18:42
Macersigh. my synology diskstation is going to be delivered when i am not home18:43
DocScrutinizertbh I have nfc where from PRODUCT_VERSION originates18:43
DocScrutinizerwell, an idea maybe18:43
DocScrutinizermompls18:44
merlin1991hm postinst in mp runs osso-product-info -s18:44
DocScrutinizerosso-product-info18:44
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DocScrutinizer--set, -s <arg>               set <arg> variable18:45
DocScrutinizerbut that's probably not what we needed18:45
merlin1991that is18:45
DocScrutinizerI guess product bersion is hardcoded in osso-product-info18:45
merlin1991mp-fremantle-generic-pr has a postinst that runs osso-prudct-info -s OSSO_VERSION='RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0'18:46
DocScrutinizerI'd even bet on it18:46
DocScrutinizerOOH18:46
merlin1991and also I said like 10 billion times that 1.3.1 only updates certman and the certman applet18:47
merlin1991so osso-product-info stays the same just like every other package18:47
DocScrutinizeryup18:47
DocScrutinizerplus MP18:47
DocScrutinizerno?18:47
merlin1991yeah mp18:47
merlin1991but mp is only a control file and that posinst script18:47
DocScrutinizercool, you smashed it18:47
merlin1991time for some copy pasta18:48
DocScrutinizermiam18:48
merlin1991now how do we let this fly, set it in a posinst of our mp, or with the enabler18:49
merlin1991what makes more sense?18:49
DocScrutinizerwhat to we'll glue that osso-prod-info thingie?18:49
DocScrutinizerto which pkg?18:49
merlin1991I asked first, you have to answer ;)18:49
Siceloheh :P18:50
DocScrutinizerif we got a MP that gets installed on an imaginary upgrade from an imaginary prev cssu-S then it's clear we'll glue it to that18:50
DocScrutinizerthink like "what would we do for next cssu rev?"18:50
merlin1991installation process is: enabler repo install installer, installer removes mp installs fake mp version 0, then run ham to upgrade to current mp18:51
DocScrutinizerthe tack it to MP18:52
DocScrutinizerthen*18:52
DocScrutinizereven when MP is "fake" we're free to update it with next REV18:52
merlin1991ffs now I'll have to reflahs again :D18:53
DocScrutinizerLOL18:53
merlin1991to test if the version update works from 1.3 to cssu18:53
* merlin1991 headplates18:53
* DocScrutinizer coughs18:53
merlin1991headplate == while ( head not shaved like a plate) do headdesk done18:54
DocScrutinizerYOH. last pkg download for update: NFS18:54
merlin1991err?18:54
DocScrutinizerumm shave, yeah.. should do that too18:54
DocScrutinizerNeedForSpeed18:55
DocScrutinizerN918:55
merlin1991now you're starting to make sense18:55
merlin1991I've deinstallt all games but angry birds .D18:55
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DocScrutinizerI'm updating since like 3h now18:55
merlin1991took only about 30 mins in total for me18:55
DocScrutinizerextreme suspense18:55
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DocScrutinizermerlin1991: well, you probably were on 3x-x already18:56
DocScrutinizerI had not updated, ever, before18:56
merlin1991I just hate swite to close18:56
merlin1991it's acclerometer controled instead of window rotation18:57
DocScrutinizererr?18:57
merlin1991so if you have an fixed landscape app and hold the phone strange you have to close it by swiping from the side of the app (top of the phone)18:57
DocScrutinizeryeah18:57
merlin1991but if you hold it in landscape you can swipe from the right side of the device to close18:57
merlin1991srly, wtf?18:57
merlin1991it should be swipe from top of window not swipe from top of physically top border18:58
DocScrutinizerI seem to have seen that before, and javisüedro didn't believe me18:58
DocScrutinizerindeed18:59
DocScrutinizere.g. settings: wont rotate but needs swipe to middle of earth to close, no matter how you hold the device18:59
DocScrutinizereven works upside down X-P19:00
DocScrutinizerwill be *real* fun on ISS19:00
merlin1991:D19:00
merlin1991I think I'm gonna disable it again anyway19:01
DocScrutinizerDINGDINGDING DINGDINGDING DINGDINGDING DINGDINGDING DINGDINGDING19:01
merlin1991Sicelo: yeah I did reflash update to 1.3.1 then install cssu19:02
merlin1991productinfo is back to 1.319:02
DocScrutinizerreport!! everybody19:03
* DocScrutinizer HERE19:03
* merlin1991 here hiding from uppercase here19:03
DocScrutinizer:-D19:03
merlin1991I'll sms Mag19:04
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DocScrutinizerIcecream will be sold during the break19:06
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DocScrutinizerwatch your step in the dark19:06
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merlin1991wtf where's everyone?19:10
merlin1991we can discuss about nothing without mag :/19:10
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DocScrutinizerprobably he found a rocket fuel powered PSU and he tuned his spare fan so he vcan fly to the clouds now with his laptop19:12
fw190lets hope so. eagerly waiting for cssu 1719:12
merlin1991well let's gather info, anything that could go into cssu 18 that isn't a patch?19:13
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* merlin1991 holds up a sign with http://wiki.maemo.org/Bluetooth_PBAP19:13
DocScrutinizerto shorten the boredom a bit for the rest of you: I fixed my fan with a proxxon mill by milling a small hole slightly off axis to the fan blade plastic and then "filled" the whole thing with good amount of silicone oil19:14
merlin1991it's essentially an obexd upgrade that improves bluetooth handling of car-kits19:14
merlin1991enables proper phonebook support a number of them19:15
DocScrutinizerCSSU-T18?19:15
merlin1991yeah19:15
DocScrutinizerwhitelist handling!19:15
merlin1991is in current one but needs fixing19:16
DocScrutinizereditor, not function19:16
merlin1991ah .D19:16
merlin1991I tried around with the whitelist function and it kinda broke roatation in general :D19:16
DocScrutinizerthere's that "CSSU Features" button in powerbutton-menu19:17
merlin1991huh?19:18
DocScrutinizerit bitches on me all the time about "transitions.ini doesn't have all the expected options" and allows to "fix" (most likely actually break) or exit.19:18
merlin1991"that" cssu features button does not come with cssu19:19
merlin1991afaik it's the cssu tuner app that delivers it19:19
DocScrutinizerwe should shanghai it19:19
DocScrutinizerI seem to recall once it worked and when it did it was nice19:19
fw190shanghai?19:20
DocScrutinizerhijack, kidnap19:20
fw190;)19:20
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: I gotta facepalm19:20
merlin1991that osso-product info -s is in the cssu mp already19:20
merlin1991it sets to 1.3 all the time19:20
DocScrutinizernope CSSU Tuner is in settings19:21
merlin1991cssu tuner provides that too afaik19:21
DocScrutinizerand actually it's been that one that really works and doesn't look bad19:21
DocScrutinizerLOL19:22
fw190cssu tuner isn't maintained anymore19:22
DocScrutinizerdamn, so what we gonna do about that now? start mainaining it again, maybe? ;-)19:22
fw190well Saturn is maintaining his app19:23
DocScrutinizereven I could maintain such a simple thing19:23
merlin1991we should think about a proper applet for settings in cssu anyway19:23
merlin1991makes no sense to depend on outside application19:23
fw190I'm just saying nothing more19:23
merlin1991maybe get Saturn on board19:23
merlin1991fw190: what's Saturns app called?19:24
DocScrutinizerduh, it's a PITA! REALLY!19:24
DocScrutinizerCSSU Tuner // transitions tweaker // random other crap, I'm lost on where to look for what :-/19:25
fw190CSSU features19:25
fw190that is Saturns app19:25
DocScrutinizerthat is the one that bitches and never works here19:26
fw190hmm it works for me since the beginning19:26
DocScrutinizerthe one in power button menu19:27
fw190yes19:27
fw190that is the one19:27
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: compare your /usr/share/hildon_desktop/transisions.ini with /usr/share/hildon-desktop/tansistions.ini.dpkgsomething19:27
merlin1991you probably find some more settings in the thp_tweaks section in the latter19:27
DocScrutinizertransitions.ini doesn't have all the expected options! fix? abort?19:27
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: we don't update the transistions.ini on upgrade19:28
merlin1991so newly introduced options have to be included by hand / app19:28
DocScrutinizersure19:28
DocScrutinizerjust saying CSSU Features never really worked for me19:28
merlin1991and I guess you did upgrade from cssu x to cssu y at some point19:28
DocScrutinizeryep19:28
DocScrutinizerand obviously this app did *not*19:29
merlin1991eeh maybe the app did but your init didn't19:29
merlin1991s/init/ini/19:29
infobotmerlin1991 meant: eeh maybe the app did but your ini didn't19:29
DocScrutinizerand I guess "not all the options" is just a nice way to say "not the set of options I could deal with" I.E. too many options19:30
merlin1991fw190: are you on current cssu?19:30
fw190yes19:30
merlin1991does the features app work ?19:30
merlin1991without warning?19:30
fw190it only pops out: thr current configuration is shown and I can change anything19:31
DocScrutinizerno matter if it works or not, please get that crap out of my powerbutton menu and into settings where it belongs19:32
DocScrutinizer;-)19:32
merlin1991DocScrutinizer:  you can always uninstall ;)19:32
fw190you can take it out from the power menu- there is an option to set it off19:32
DocScrutinizerwon't move it to settings19:32
fw190and it stays in the apps19:32
DocScrutinizerwhere's that option?19:33
DocScrutinizerin the settings page I can't reach due to "not all the expected options are there" ?19:33
fw190when you launch the app it is in (don't now how to call it) menu- form the CSSU features configuration up on the screen19:34
merlin1991just get rid of it then doc, it doesn't seem like you're going to use it anyway19:34
merlin1991Sicelo: I've updated the testrepo with a new mp, should fix the version number19:35
merlin1991okay lets get back ot, other suggestions for T18?19:36
MohammadAGAre we having a meeting this week19:36
DocScrutinizerYES SIR19:36
DocScrutinizerlol19:36
DocScrutinizerwelcome MohammadAG19:36
merlin1991MohammadAG: we're having since 30 min :D19:37
merlin1991or rather we're talking bs waiting for you :P19:37
DocScrutinizerhehehe19:37
merlin1991MohammadAG: I've reached X-Fade today an he said he'll need to see about the update part19:38
DocScrutinizer"Alle Updates installiert" \o/ 666.6MB HARM updates19:38
MohammadAGthat 666.6 is annoying19:38
merlin1991also I need you to nod here: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1249719:38
povbotBug 12497: Maemo 5 Community SSU needs field to distinguish between stable and testing19:38
MohammadAGso's today's date19:38
DocScrutinizermy friend married today, the fool19:39
DocScrutinizerobviousl ybecause of the date19:39
merlin1991stupid skyrim ads with 11.11.11 were all over the place here19:39
merlin1991but whatever back to cssu :D19:39
DocScrutinizerwho's going to nod there, I already said "good call" when you posted it here :-)19:40
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, I've heard of 10 marriages today19:40
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: nod there is needed for andrew19:40
DocScrutinizerooh, really19:40
MohammadAGI nodded19:40
DocScrutinizerk, bbl19:41
merlin1991I've got stable so far that we could upload it after Sicelo me my sister and hopefully someone else ahs tested for some time19:41
MohammadAGand borked the iPhone - again19:41
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merlin1991Sicelo_: I've uploaded a new metapackge, update in ham should fix your version number19:41
MohammadAGnew hwat?19:42
MohammadAGwhat19:42
Sicelo_will test and report19:42
DocScrutinizerwhere's the damnit "vote for this bug" button?19:42
merlin1991MohammadAG: the stable repo resides on a test server @ http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/19:42
MohammadAGoh nice, we launched a testing stable :P19:42
merlin1991I've been ironing out packaging and stuff last few days19:43
merlin1991when it's proven to work for some days or so and X-Fade has give me a way to upload to maemo.org we can release to the wild19:43
Sicelo_merlin1991: if i want to use apt? ...19:43
merlin1991apt-get update apt-get install mp-fremantle-community-pr19:44
merlin1991dsmetool -b19:44
merlin1991Sicelo_: ^^19:44
* DocScrutinizer nodded19:44
Sicelo_thanks :)19:44
merlin1991MohammadAG: how's testing v 17 coming along?19:45
DocScrutinizerSicelo_: NB you need a "clean" PR1.3(.1)19:45
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: he's fine19:46
Sicelo_i'm already 'dirty'19:46
MohammadAGmerlin1991, just got the SMS lol19:46
MohammadAGmerlin1991, I think it's stable19:46
merlin1991wtf took that long?19:46
merlin1991lmao19:46
MohammadAGmerlin1991, no, I bricked my iPhone19:46
merlin1991:D19:46
MohammadAGprimary phone, sorry :p19:46
DocScrutinizermerlin1991: I found wmo cssu-S pages aren't indexed/linked19:47
merlin1991DocScrutinizer: huh?19:47
merlin1991srly turn of your bot scripts doc19:48
DocScrutinizerno sub-index for CSSU, no place where you'd find the URL to CSSU-Stable_features and *changelog19:48
merlin1991that's intentional19:48
merlin1991should only get indexed linked when we release it19:48
DocScrutinizerk19:48
DocScrutinizerjust felt to mention it19:49
DocScrutinizerAAAAH :-)19:49
DocScrutinizeredit-lock for homescreens19:50
DocScrutinizer^^^ feature for cssu-T1819:51
merlin1991exists19:51
DocScrutinizerwhere?19:51
merlin1991ah wait sorry19:51
merlin1991does not exist19:51
DocScrutinizeryes, that's exactly what I said as well19:52
DocScrutinizer:-)19:52
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merlin1991MohammadAG: when do you think will we get testing-17?19:53
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DocScrutinizer:-S19:56
merlin1991that's one thing online meetings lack, the chance to actually force an answer by looking at people .P19:56
fw190good one ;)19:57
merlin1991Sicelo_: did the version number work out?19:58
* DocScrutinizer twiddles thumbs20:00
Sicelo_haven't tested yet. bad connection. will test witihn an hour,20:00
merlin1991no stress, it only sounded like you'd test straight away :)20:00
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merlin1991MohammadAG: hello?20:01
DocScrutinizerfor next Friday we'll get a topics list, to make this session a bit more efficient20:02
DocScrutinizerpretty please20:02
Sicelo+120:02
MohammadAGmerlin1991, tonight hopefully20:03
MohammadAGor tomorrow morning20:03
merlin1991awesome20:03
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MohammadAGmerlin1991, they also lack fan donations20:03
MohammadAGby fan I meant physical CPU fans20:03
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MohammadAGwhat did you change? :P20:03
DocScrutinizernuttin20:04
* DocScrutinizer goes shave his beard20:04
merlin1991MohammadAG one thing left, how are we goign todo the version numbers now?20:04
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merlin1991DocScrutinizer: you're expecting too much mags cpu fan ;)20:05
merlin1991s/too much/too much of/20:06
infobotmerlin1991 meant: DocScrutinizer: you're expecting too much of mags cpu fan ;)20:06
MohammadAGmerlin1991, I'm still not sure20:06
MohammadAGV17 will be version 120:06
MohammadAGof the new update number/string20:06
DocScrutinizer51cool20:06
DocScrutinizer51+120:06
merlin1991the mp on the test server is Installed: 21.2011.38-1Smaemo0.520:07
merlin1991so either you call yours accordingly 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo120:07
merlin1991or we do the epoch thing20:08
merlin1991but we do should decide that20:08
merlin1991and since it's meeting time I'd say it's the perfect time todo so20:09
DocScrutinizer51don't mess with epoch, my 2 eurocent20:12
merlin1991epoch in theory is meant to fix broken versioning20:14
DocScrutinizer51I don't see why we'd need to bother about it anyway20:14
merlin1991so you can "start over" when you've published a mess20:14
MohammadAGscrew epochs, for one reason20:15
MohammadAGQt already uses 1:20:15
merlin1991btw that S / T thingy only applies to the mp20:15
merlin1991all the other packages are importet 1:1 from testing when considered stable20:16
DocScrutinizer51the 2 repos are segregate anyway20:16
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merlin1991ah yeah when you update your mp, don't forget to change the posinst20:17
DocScrutinizer51so no problems with version num whatsoever20:17
merlin1991*postinst*20:17
merlin1991that too20:17
merlin1991okay conclusion 21.2011.38-1Tmaemo1 will be new testing - 1720:18
merlin1991I'm waiting for X-Fade and some days and then stable will go live20:18
MohammadAGpostinst?20:19
MohammadAGchange it to what?20:19
merlin1991the pr 1.3.1 release20:19
merlin1991the call to osso-product-info writes pr1.3 version number20:19
merlin1991but testing will be based of 1.3.1 since we include everything 1.3.1 updates20:20
merlin1991the new string is RX-51_2009SE_21.2011.38-1_PR_MR0'20:22
* DocScrutinizer figures "DUH! cssu stable is newer version than testing!1!!1! Get dis cool new shit, tis hot !" and rotfls20:25
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merlin1991okay I'm out20:29
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Sicelomerlin1991: yes, version string correct now. (if only i knew dsmetool -b would reboot)20:42
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Maceris the release done?22:46
Maceri have to reflash anyways22:46
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DocScrutinizerMacer: there's a cssu-S test version, on a semi-nonpunlic repo23:16
DocScrutinizerhttp://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/23:16
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DocScrutinizeractually http://87.106.163.159/maemo/community/community-fremantle.install23:17
Maceri see. ok. i have to reflash :-(23:17
Macermessed up my n900 because fmtx wasnt working23:18
DocScrutinizerit's a TEST version!23:18
DocScrutinizerof Stable23:18
Macerso i wanted to go back using backup menu23:18
Macera testing stable :-)23:18
Macerhow oxymoronic23:18
DocScrutinizeryup :-)23:19
Macerwell... once the ups guy pops up i will try it23:19
Maceris there a way to flash it or is it a pr1.3 upgrade?23:19
DocScrutinizerthat's a repository to upgrade from a clean PR1.323:20
Macerok. so i need 1.3?23:20
DocScrutinizeryes23:20
Macerno straight flash23:20
DocScrutinizerno23:20
Maceris it outside the lic to make an img?23:20
Macerfor a straight flash?23:20
DocScrutinizerCSSU is never been meant to be a complete system/distro, it's a supplementary repo to ship fixes to stock PR23:21
Maceri see23:22
DocScrutinizerand we generally don't ship (C)nok blobs anyway23:22
Macerwell. i will try the testing stable later :-)23:23
Maceri have to reflash anyways23:23
Macerbackupmenu made things worse23:23
Macer:-( what a let down23:23
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Maceri was like... ok. i messed it up beyond a simple repair.... let me rewimd with backupmenu23:24
Macergreat.... now it just keeps rebooting23:24
Maceri am guessing backupmenu does not replace the kernel23:24
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