| merlin1991 | just finsihed the list | 00:04 |
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| merlin1991 | http://pastebin.com/5BMHVMCY | 00:04 |
| merlin1991 | but he left already | 00:05 |
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| * KaziKluBey wräwrön!! | 00:13 | |
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| merlin1991 | KaziKluBey: wtf? | 00:16 |
| merlin1991 | jonwil: we've decided you'll reimplement the hildon vkb ;) | 00:16 |
| jonwil | tell me which package and I will tell you if its going to go on my todo list | 00:17 |
| merlin1991 | tbh I dunno the package, but someone suggested to backport maalit to maemo, (for portait vkbd) wich lead doc to suggest you do it :P | 00:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | not maalit, the original (v)kbd | 00:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | if we get the original opensourced to a degree where we can replace the closed one, then anybody can go on and improve/augment it to make it do portrait | 00:23 |
| merlin1991 | sry I meant you redo the original instead | 00:23 |
| jonwil | nope, my todo list is long enough as it is | 00:28 |
| jonwil | not adding the vkb to the list at this time | 00:28 |
| merlin1991 | what's on it already? | 00:30 |
| jonwil | A lot | 00:31 |
| jonwil | next up I plan to clone tablet-browser-view-test | 00:31 |
| jonwil | I also have plans to possibly clone osso-systemui-tklock | 00:33 |
| jonwil | and the other systemui plugins | 00:35 |
| jonwil | I am also messing with icd2 | 00:40 |
| jonwil | and I want to clone tutorial-eal-bin | 00:41 |
| jonwil | and maybe clockd, libcityinfo0 and libtime0-0 | 00:41 |
| jonwil | so yeah the list is too big for me to clone the hildon vkb right now | 00:41 |
| jonwil | Do we have anything to edit the vkb key layout files? | 00:42 |
| MohammadAG | back, I think | 00:43 |
| merlin1991 | found a fix for your fan? | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | no, just blew it with a hair dryer | 00:43 |
| MohammadAG | it spun enough for BIOS to believe it's working | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | lmao | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | so explain the whole pr 1.3.1 situation to me | 00:44 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: mag is back | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | we just need to pull one package | 00:45 |
| jonwil | yeah for the certificate manager control panel widget | 00:46 |
| merlin1991 | pull as in depend on it, or pull as in copy paste to our repos? | 00:46 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, can you pull the applet? | 00:47 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, latter | 00:47 |
| jonwil | Why do we need to copy to the cssu repos instead of just depending on it and letting apt-get find it in the Nokia repos | 00:48 |
| MohammadAG | jonwil, cause some people have Nokia repos disabled and that causes more noise | 00:49 |
| jonwil | oh ok | 00:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | who got nokia repos disabled? :-o | 00:49 |
| merlin1991 | also whatabout libmaemosec-certman0 | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | we have the fix in ours you say | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | btw, I'm giving up on the N950 | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | :( | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | not arguing with them anymore | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | but the version from the nokia repos is 0.2.0+0m5 whilst ours is 0.20 | 00:50 |
| merlin1991 | s/0.20/0.2.0 | 00:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: you MUST infoem Nokia about it | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I did, the guy's off work till 9/11 | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, +0m5 is a release thing | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | basically like +0cssu1 | 00:51 |
| merlin1991 | okay so we're on the same version then | 00:51 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 00:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia will want to claim the parcel back, and also ask for regress from DHL | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | you can't do that | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, DHL doesn't have the parcel | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | Israeli customs do | 00:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | doesn't matter | 00:52 |
| MohammadAG | DHL -> customs -> DHL -> me | 00:53 |
| jonwil | so its libmaemosec-certman-applet0 and maemosec-certman-applet that need to be pulled | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | it was lost/delayed in 2, no one except them can return it | 00:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | They accepted it and signed for it at Nokia, and they got no valid signature of the addressee (you) | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, doesn't matter | 00:53 |
| MohammadAG | Israel's not the country that works like that | 00:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | for DHL and Nokia and contracts it DOES matter | 00:54 |
| MohammadAG | basically, customs is a bunch of assholes that couldn't find a better job | 00:54 |
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| merlin1991 | jonwil:+ various osso-applet-certman-l10n-XY | 00:54 |
| jonwil | no, those l10n packages didnt change | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | (I'm guessing) | 00:55 |
| merlin1991 | ah that's convenient | 00:55 |
| jonwil | Its just those 2 we need to pull | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: also for you it does mazzer when Nokia ever asks back the device | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | matter* | 00:55 |
| jonwil | because both changed (they both come from the same source package) | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I can't do shit | 00:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway, o/ | 00:55 |
| MohammadAG | basically, I spent two weeks on the phone for the device | 00:56 |
| MohammadAG | tbh, I'm thinking of moving OSs | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: please understand that THIS does *not* mazzer in world of business and contracts | 00:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | matter* WTF | 00:56 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: next thing is, how do we get the stable branch running | 00:57 |
| jonwil | So the answer is simple, tell Nokia that you never got the package and that Israeli customs has it (and if necessary show them proof). That should be it as far as what you need to do (and then Nokia can take it up with DHL and Israeli customs) | 00:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia handed a 800$ good to DHL. Nokia *thinks* you received it. You *have* to tell them you didn't, so they can do whatever is due | 00:58 |
| MohammadAG | they can't do shit | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | neither can DHL | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | that's actually *not* your problem | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | so unless Nokia talks directly to Israeli customs, which is something they probably won't do, it's staying in the garage | 00:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | neither do you know for sure | 00:59 |
| MohammadAG | basically, by 9 November they told me it needs some official forms from me | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | cause it's been there for a month and they "archive" packages like taht | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | if only he sent it before I sent my device | 01:00 |
| jonwil | official forms for what? | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | or right when he got it | 01:00 |
| MohammadAG | cause it's been there for a month | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | which isn't really my problem either | 01:01 |
| MohammadAG | but again, bunch of retarded assholes | 01:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: do you have any contract DHL? | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | if no then you can't do anything | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Nokia otoh _got_ a contract with DHL, about delivery of a parcel | 01:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | all you can do is inform them that DHL didn't fulfill that contract | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | I did | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | OK | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | I got an automated response that he's away till 9/11 | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | then it's all up to them now | 01:03 |
| MohammadAG | which is the same date they'll archive the parcel | 01:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | ping quim | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ask him whom at Nokia to contact, maybe Ronen for example can do anything | 01:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | ronan | 01:04 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: we completely forgot the obexd update in the whole cssu meeting today | 01:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | duh | 01:09 |
| * jonwil is surprised at the lack of reaction to my open-source browserd work | 01:09 | |
| DocScrutinizer | that's about testing though | 01:09 |
| * jonwil wonders if "fix gecko bugs" or "bring in newer gecko" is a possible CSSU target | 01:09 | |
| merlin1991 | jonwil: main problem is, that user interes lies in the ui :D | 01:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil: few people follow mailing lists | 01:09 |
| jonwil | true, the UI is the hard-to-clone part | 01:09 |
| jonwil | and the interesting part | 01:09 |
| merlin1991 | also we've been all about the stable cssu branch today | 01:09 |
| merlin1991 | didn't really talk about new stuff | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | yep | 01:10 |
| merlin1991 | like obexd wich I just remember :D | 01:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | well, create a wiki page with minutes/topics for next meeting :-) | 01:11 |
| merlin1991 | anyway MohammadAG how do we work towards the stable branch? I suggest I branch each repo on gitorious to a cssustable branch at the point we deiced as stable today | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, can you do that? | 01:11 |
| merlin1991 | but that still leaves the question of the repository itself | 01:11 |
| merlin1991 | I'm in cssu-developers I can push new branches to existing projects on gitorious | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | we don't need the repo today | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe next weekend | 01:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | we need to test the "stable" build in a small devel group prior to publishing it on a repo | 01:12 |
| merlin1991 | sure | 01:12 |
| merlin1991 | I was actually thinking of simply setting up a testrepo on my server and if the enabler process and everything works fine we migrate to the official one | 01:13 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: 100 ack | 01:13 |
| merlin1991 | but still gear has to be set towards the stable repo, it might take some time till the ressources are in place @ repository.maemo.org | 01:14 |
| merlin1991 | so what do you thing MohammadAG? | 01:14 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, think*? | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | if so, I need the procedure on uploading to community from x0 | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, | 01:15 |
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| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer51 :D | 01:15 |
| merlin1991 | think yes / no / maybe to branch of on gitorious / and any other thoughts you have :D | 01:16 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ^^ | 01:18 |
| MohammadAG | branch ahead | 01:19 |
| merlin1991 | will do that tomorrow when my head is clear :) | 01:20 |
| merlin1991 | when you compile a cssu version, how do you do it, gtk first then qt then qt mobility then the rest? | 01:20 |
| * KaziKluBey yawns,tired | 01:20 | |
| merlin1991 | keep in mind my scratchbox is 100% maemo5 and no cssu yet | 01:20 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | another opera update, wtf? | 01:21 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: I thought you'll be despeartely searching for the last open pub with beer in that forsake hole you call a city? | 01:22 |
| merlin1991 | instead you're doing updates :P | 01:22 |
| * DocScrutinizer51 sips on his Pils | 01:22 | |
| * KaziKluBey mmm...SanMiguel...:) | 01:23 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | recently 2Gin my pub got unusable but 3G works somewhat now | 01:24 |
| DocScrutinizer51 | so my DL speed is probably better than at home ;-D | 01:24 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 01:25 |
| merlin1991 | you're lucky you still got a pub | 01:26 |
| merlin1991 | my local one closed | 01:26 |
| merlin1991 | now there is not a decent one within 30 mins of walking by foot anymore :( | 01:26 |
| * KaziKluBey Cheers! Anyone? | 01:26 | |
| * merlin1991 reads docs on apt repository tools and system, pure fun | 01:28 | |
| DocScrutinizer51 | i bet | 01:29 |
| merlin1991 | hm where to place this on the server | 01:30 |
| merlin1991 | somewhere in /var, but where? | 01:30 |
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| merlin1991 | meh /src/apt should be fine too | 01:32 |
| merlin1991 | s/src/srv/ | 01:32 |
| * merlin1991 wonders how repository.maemo.org manages to have different subfolders in pool/* | 02:10 | |
| merlin1991 | reprepro keeps smashing each file directly into pool/ | 02:11 |
| gregoa | merlin1991: it doesn't if you specify Components: in conf/distributions (at least in my only reprepro installation) | 02:28 |
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| merlin1991 | I did specify Components and it still did | 02:35 |
| gregoa | hm, and the packages you are injecting have the same section? | 02:36 |
| merlin1991 | my conf: http://pastebin.com/TpQtRPev | 02:36 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 02:36 |
| merlin1991 | gregoa: could you share yours? | 02:37 |
| gregoa | sure, just a sec. it look basically the same | 02:38 |
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| gregoa | merlin1991: http://paste.debian.net/142796/ | 02:38 |
| merlin1991 | hm is that repo publicly avaiable? | 02:43 |
| merlin1991 | as in can I browse the folders? :D | 02:43 |
| gregoa | yup, http://www.toastfreeware.priv.at/debian/ or http://www.toastfreeware.priv.at/debian/pool/ etc. | 02:44 |
| gregoa | there's mostly debian stuff there, a bit ubuntu and I think 1 maemo package :) | 02:45 |
| merlin1991 | hey .at | 02:47 |
| merlin1991 | another fellow from austria? | 02:47 |
| gregoa | yup | 02:48 |
| merlin1991 | (I'm from vienna) | 02:48 |
| gregoa | I'm in innsbruck | 02:48 |
| merlin1991 | gregoa: http://www.toastfreeware.priv.at/debian/pool/ is 1 pool too | 02:51 |
| merlin1991 | unlike http://repository.maemo.org/extras/pool/ | 02:51 |
| gregoa | hm. interestesting, there's indeed a layer between pool and the components | 02:54 |
| gregoa | and debian has the components directly under pool/: http://ftp.at.debian.org/debian/pool/ | 02:56 |
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| ekze | hi guys | 04:37 |
| ekze | can i install ssu on pr1.3.1 ? | 04:37 |
| Kaptenen | ekze: cssu "If you ever want to install CSSU, the installer will work fine | 04:39 |
| Kaptenen | on PR1.3.1" | 04:40 |
| Kaptenen | Hm | 04:40 |
| ekze | oh ok | 04:40 |
| ekze | thanks | 04:40 |
| Kaptenen | http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-October/028675.html :) | 04:40 |
| ekze | i thought that i would have to wait for some sort of patch | 04:40 |
| ekze | yeah i've read that | 04:40 |
| ekze | ok i'll try it now then ^^ | 04:41 |
| ekze | that hildon application manager is really slow -_- | 04:43 |
| ekze | so just to be clear, i can't use apt-get upgrade after i install this | 04:45 |
| ekze | yes? | 04:45 |
| merlin1991 | ekze you should never use apt-get upgrade | 04:45 |
| ekze | why not | 04:46 |
| merlin1991 | well upgrade isn't that bad | 04:46 |
| merlin1991 | but never use autoremove | 04:46 |
| merlin1991 | autoremove is broken | 04:46 |
| merlin1991 | removes packages that are still needed | 04:46 |
| merlin1991 | also newer for upgrade != newer in reality | 04:46 |
| ekze | you're not telling me to use that hildon app manager, are you? | 04:47 |
| merlin1991 | oh I am telling you todo exactly that :D | 04:47 |
| ekze | but it's SO SLOW | 04:47 |
| merlin1991 | cssu has the diginotar fix (the whole 1.3.1) already in 16.8 where the version is called 0.2.0 but the one from pr 1.3.1 is 0.20.0+0,5 | 04:47 |
| merlin1991 | so apt thinks that's newer | 04:47 |
| merlin1991 | but in reality it's the same :P | 04:47 |
| merlin1991 | well ekze you apt-get if you have too | 04:48 |
| merlin1991 | but never autoremove | 04:48 |
| merlin1991 | and never use fapman | 04:48 |
| merlin1991 | (because it autoremoves) | 04:48 |
| ekze | ok ^^ | 04:48 |
| ekze | thanks | 04:48 |
| ekze | hmmm | 04:58 |
| ekze | it says that "To update your device to this version of the operating system you must use Nokia PC Suite on Your PC....." | 04:59 |
| ekze | thats how it should be? i dont think so... | 04:59 |
| ekze | gonna try from terminal | 05:01 |
| ekze | ok fixed this ^^ | 05:06 |
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| Lava_Croft | oh, i use fapman and aptitude all the time | 11:02 |
| Lava_Croft | now im waiting for shit to break | 11:02 |
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| * amiconn also uses fapman occasionally | 11:41 | |
| amiconn | Why would apt-get autoremove be broken? That sounds like a problem with maemo dependencies rather than a problem with apt-get | 11:42 |
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| Sicelo | it's not broken, but has potential to remove important stuff, such as sip libraries | 12:31 |
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| Lava_Croft | i reckon thats not apt's fault | 12:33 |
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| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: ping | 14:47 |
| merlin1991 | Lava_Croft: it partly is apts fault, apt decides from time to time that manually installed apps should be autoremoved | 14:48 |
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| * merlin1991 creates the gitorious branches for stable | 15:10 | |
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| merlin1991 | ffs why doesn't kde run ssh-agent | 15:14 |
| NightShift79 | btw, is there an PR 1.3.1 image available anywhere? | 15:16 |
| arcean | I don't think so | 15:18 |
| NightShift79 | thought of this. So just to sum this up again. | 15:19 |
| NightShift79 | If I got CSSU installed there is no update for me, yet, right? | 15:20 |
| NightShift79 | the only way would be to install the PR 1.3.1 over the pc suite which will hard reset my device, right? | 15:21 |
| merlin1991 | NightShift79: you don't need the pr1.3.1 update | 15:21 |
| merlin1991 | all it brings is a revoked digitnotar cert (already in current cssu) | 15:22 |
| merlin1991 | and a fixed applet that displays that proplery (coming to cssu with next version) | 15:22 |
| NightShift79 | okay then. Seems I was too enthusiastic to think there's something more in the update. | 15:23 |
| NightShift79 | Btw: Is Nicolai still with you guys? | 15:27 |
| NightShift79 | I'm still hoping for a new email and conversation widget :) | 15:28 |
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| NightShift79 | oh yeah... and facebook included in nicolais presence notifier | 15:40 |
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| merlin1991 | arcean: who did the desktop-portait wallpaper code? | 15:54 |
| arcean | merlin1991: me ;) | 15:56 |
| merlin1991 | okay so what is the proper way to enable it? | 15:56 |
| arcean | are you sure that you have the newest version from git repo? | 15:57 |
| arcean | both h-d and h-h | 15:57 |
| merlin1991 | I only have the newest h-d and h-h as in from cssu repo | 15:57 |
| merlin1991 | gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/portrait_wallpaper -t bool true | 15:57 |
| merlin1991 | gconftool-2 --set /apps/osso/hilond-desktop/views/10/bg-image -t string somepath | 15:57 |
| merlin1991 | resulted in a reboot loop :P | 15:57 |
| arcean | heh :D | 15:58 |
| arcean | you have to take -desktop and -home from git repo | 15:58 |
| merlin1991 | is the cssu version still bugged? | 15:58 |
| arcean | i think so, that's why it's disabled | 15:59 |
| merlin1991 | ah k :P | 15:59 |
| arcean | one thing | 15:59 |
| arcean | after enabling portrait wallpapers | 15:59 |
| merlin1991 | ffs go away reboot loop | 15:59 |
| arcean | you can set them by change wallpaper applet in desktop edit mode | 15:59 |
| arcean | s/by/through | 16:00 |
| merlin1991 | oh ffs harmattan flasher doesn't want to flash n900 without ape algorithm | 16:02 |
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| merlin1991 | now it won't install the 3.5 flasher | 16:07 |
| merlin1991 | WTF? | 16:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | merlin1991: flasher-3.5 and HARM flasher are named differently, so shouldn't colide? | 16:46 |
| merlin1991 | whining about missing dependency libusb-0.4.x | 16:55 |
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| merlin1991 | reflash done, doing cssu install atm | 17:05 |
| merlin1991 | then back to branching on gitorious :D | 17:05 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, pong | 17:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: moo :-D | 17:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | jonwil refusing to work on vkbd is a bummer | 17:27 |
| merlin1991 | cloning the qt repo takes forever | 17:34 |
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| merlin1991 | okay branches for stable on gitorious are done, except for osso-pdf-viewer gitorious is not in sync with cssu repo there, can't branch of at the right point | 18:17 |
| merlin1991 | so MohammadAG ^^ (sync osso-pdf-viewer) | 18:17 |
| merlin1991 | I also dunno what todo about qt, sadly the current cssu version wich we called stable and another patch are all in 1 commit | 18:19 |
| merlin1991 | so either I commit a commit revoking half of the last commit or we just go with the patch | 18:19 |
| merlin1991 | I'm off now | 18:20 |
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| Lava_Croft | so, just to be entirely sure about this | 18:33 |
| Lava_Croft | disable autoremove in fapman is the sane way to go | 18:33 |
| Lava_Croft | and steer clear from any kind of autoremove when it concerns aptitude | 18:33 |
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| freemangordon__ | DocScrutinizer , camera-ui fixes on gitorious are not mine, it is nikolai who fixed it, will you please edit your post on TMO | 19:25 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, merlin1991 | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | I'm thinking of raising testing epoch to 2: | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | Stable will be 1: | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | Devel will be 3: | 19:42 |
| MohammadAG | So people can go from stable to testing to devel | 19:43 |
| MohammadAG | (if they wish) | 19:43 |
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| Jaffa | pong (scrollback's lost who/what it was :-/) | 20:19 |
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| Lava_Croft | you want irssi with a seperate window for hilights >_> | 20:33 |
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