IRC log of #maemo-ssu for Thursday, 2011-09-08

MohammadAGbuilding, this'll take a while00:01
DocScrutinizerfsck, don't merge and publish in a hurry!!!00:01
DocScrutinizertake down the current update, if you want to hurry on sth00:02
MohammadAG...00:02
DocScrutinizeror fix https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1238100:02
povbotBug 12381: camera corrupts USER DATA (deletes existing pictures by overwriting them)00:02
alien_arcean_: I posted about the rotate feature from the latest CSSU and the snap to grid in here: http://t.co/o6I9BvY00:02
MohammadAGit doesn't break anything00:02
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, you know my C skills00:02
alien_now I only need to fix my camera UI00:03
DocScrutinizerooh it doesn't???00:03
MohammadAGno, it dosn't00:03
MohammadAGjust doesn't pull in all packages00:03
MohammadAGand Qt just needed an extra upstream fix00:03
DocScrutinizeruhih, so how much possibly elementary and valuable user data needs to get deleted until the update is considered to be a killer?00:04
MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, that wasn't added in the last update00:04
MohammadAGit was there since the first time camera-ui got pushed00:04
MohammadAGpoint is, why take down the last update...00:04
DocScrutinizerright, so taking down the new update is nonsense00:04
MohammadAGI agree the bug is major/critical00:04
MohammadAG(and tbh, anyone who doesn't needs a kick in the nuts)00:05
DocScrutinizeryeah, never mind my rant00:05
MohammadAGthe Harmattan camera app needs to be ported/rewritten for Fremantle00:05
DocScrutinizer:-)00:05
MohammadAGand it needs to be in Qt00:05
MohammadAGpure gstreamer/gdigicam for capturing and stuff00:06
MohammadAGbut Qt for the UI00:06
MohammadAGand NO NOT QML00:06
DocScrutinizerfsck QML, the worst idea since android00:07
MohammadAGOh yeah00:08
MohammadAGI'm gonna have an Android device soon00:08
MohammadAGtomorrow to be exact00:08
MohammadAG(it's not mine, but I'll have my hands on it)00:08
DocScrutinizerwear protective gloves! ;-)00:09
MohammadAGwould rather laugh manically00:09
MohammadAGGoing back to Jerusalem for the weekend tomorrow, so I'll be screwing around with it till Saturday night00:10
MohammadAGanyway, Qt compiling, I'm afk till the fan's off00:11
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phoenix__|MohammadAG: can you add this translation to status-area-orientationlock-applet : http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1048850&postcount=3951 ?00:33
freemangordonMohammadAG ping00:35
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arcean_phoenix__|: I can create merge request for the package, but i'm not sure if it'll be in the next update00:36
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freemangordonModest offline IMAP support is missing translation string00:37
freemangordonin menu I mean00:37
phoenix__|arcean_: ok, np. This will be in the next next update ^^00:37
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MohammadAGphoenix__|, send a merge request00:38
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arcean_I'll update also Polish one, as it has too long strings00:39
freemangordonHi there00:39
freemangordonopengl Qt bug only seems like upstream one, it is not exactly the same. Anyway patch fixes kasvopus and co00:40
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phoenix__|MohammadAG: i don't know how do that00:43
arcean_phoenix__|: I will do that00:44
arcean_as I'm updating Polish translation00:44
phoenix__|arcean_: yep, thanks :)00:44
arcean_MohammadAG: phoenix__|: https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/status-area-orientationlock-applet/merge_requests/200:48
phoenix__|arcean_: thanks for french users ;)00:50
arcean_np ;)00:51
macmaNsup all00:59
macmaNis fapman failing with massive 404s for all Packages files normal?00:59
macmaNhas something been done with repository.maemo.org lately?01:00
macmaNErr http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 194.106.101.26 80]01:03
macmaNErr http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/non-free Packages 404 Not Found [IP: 194.106.101.26 80]01:03
macmaN...01:03
macmaNsame for rest of them01:03
MohammadAG/scratchbox/tools/bin/sh: line 1: /scratchbox/tools/bin/msgfmt: No such file or directory01:03
MohammadAGfreemangordon, arcean_ ping?01:05
freemangordonpong01:05
MohammadAGfreemangordon, mind building that package?01:05
freemangordonwhat needs to be build :D01:05
MohammadAGstatus-area-orientationlock-applet01:05
MohammadAGlol01:05
freemangordonwhich one is that01:05
freemangordonok01:05
MohammadAGgit@gitorious.org:community-ssu/status-area-orientationlock-applet.git01:05
MohammadAGmeanwhile, Qt uploading01:05
freemangordondid you try it with kasvopus?01:06
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freemangordonMohammadAG here http://dox.bg/files/dw?a=960b06a5d701:09
MohammadAGah the wonders of no devel-su/sh on the N90001:10
freemangordonMohammadAG reporting for maybe fourth time: modest offline IMAP support option is missing any translation, even English01:12
freemangordonshall I open a bug?!?01:12
MohammadAGthere's modest-l10n in the repos01:13
MohammadAGgrr01:13
MohammadAGI didn't push the updated debian/changelog did I01:13
MohammadAGha, fixed msgfmt01:15
freemangordonTBH I m not exactly internationalization, never messed up with .po or whatever those files are, that is why I am reporting it.01:17
freemangordon* internationalization guru01:17
MohammadAGhmm01:18
MohammadAGshould we whitelist some apps by default?01:18
MohammadAGeg contacts01:19
freemangordonwhy not01:19
arcean_btw, why modest doesn't support portrait mode by default?01:20
MohammadAGWM_CLASS(STRING) = "ossofilemanager", "Ossofilemanager" <-- is this right?01:20
MohammadAGerr, which one's right*01:20
MohammadAGarcean_, missing buttons, some dialogs no one fixed01:20
arcean_ahh ok01:21
alien_how much disk space would /scratchbox take for CSSu development?01:22
arcean_MohammadAG: looks like "ossofilemanager" is correct01:22
MohammadAGoh right, should restart h-d01:23
freemangordonalien_ - about 30-40 GB01:23
MohammadAGfreemangordon, he said /scratchbox, not the whole partition :p01:24
freemangordonI mean vmware image of course :D01:24
alien_I am trying to install it on my machine but I have limited space in /root01:24
alien_and I would like to have it somewhere else if possible01:25
MohammadAGfreemangordon, you sure the whitelist's working?01:25
arcean_MohammadAG: it works only for main windows01:25
freemangordondon't ask me, never tried it and TBH dont get the fever about it01:25
arcean_ie not for dialogs etc01:25
freemangordoni.e it is not ready01:26
arcean_it just can't inherit HILDON_PORTRAIT_SUPPORT from parent01:26
MohammadAGthen why did you request a merge request?01:26
MohammadAGerr actually01:27
freemangordonwhy don't delay that for a week, until it is tested and supported everywhere01:27
MohammadAGarcean_, it's not working for mainwindows01:27
freemangordonI mean hd update01:27
arcean_freemangordon: yes, it's great idea01:27
arcean_MohammadAG: beacause of the lock desktop thing01:27
freemangordonA post or two on TMO saying " it is under development, will be in the next update coming in 2 weeks"  should be enough for noe01:30
freemangordonnow*01:30
freemangordonmissing desktop locking and whitelist does not render device unusable IMO01:30
freemangordonso why hurry?01:30
arcean_yep, and maybe we will fix camera-ui01:32
freemangordonthis update could include also a fix for missing close button on camera-ui01:32
freemangordon:D01:32
freemangordonexactly01:32
MohammadAG<freemangordon> so why hurry?01:32
MohammadAGhurry?01:32
MohammadAGIt's already uploaded01:32
freemangordonsweet01:32
freemangordoncan you remove it?01:32
MohammadAGno01:32
arcean_bug #1238101:32
povbotBug https://bugs.maemo.org/12381 camera corrupts USER DATA (deletes existing pictures by overwriting them)01:32
MohammadAGfix that for version1701:33
freemangordongreat01:33
MohammadAGthat's not a regression from version 1601:33
arcean_:D01:33
freemangordonso, if it is uploaded...01:34
freemangordonthe only thing to be done is to speed up the development :D01:34
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MohammadAGit'll take some 5 minutes to be installed in the repo01:36
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MohammadAGbbl, shower01:37
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freemangordonnight02:02
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sam23mhi, there are 3 .ini files in my usr/share/hildon-desktop specifically transitions.ini transitions.dpkg.dist and transitions.ini.old02:43
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sam23mhow do i use transitions.dpkg.dist which has the blacklist feature?02:43
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* DocScrutinizer wonders if anybody expects to publish a 20.2010.36-2maemo16.2 or .3 eventually. Only reason I could see not to name this interim version .1 but .5 is there are versions <.5 planned ;-P03:48
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DocScrutinizerold rationale from early basics days (also COBOL) where you used to number lines in 10s increments, to insert 9 lines later, without renumbering the whole sourcetext03:50
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DocScrutinizer10 LET I = 003:52
DocScrutinizer20 ? I03:52
DocScrutinizer30 LET I = I + 103:52
DocScrutinizer40 GOTO 2003:52
DocScrutinizerooops03:52
DocScrutinizer35 IF I > 50 THEN EXIT03:52
DocScrutinizerRENUMBER03:53
* DocScrutinizer wonders where's GOTO gone, on shellscripting ;-P03:54
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prometoyshi, i have questions about the cssu12:01
prometoysany of the developers present?12:03
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andre__prometoys, don't ask to ask, just ask? ;-)13:02
andre__(and be patient.)13:03
prometoysthx andre13:03
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prometoyswhat are the main improvements in the newest cssu13:03
prometoysi tried to "reproduce" the in the changelog mentioned improvements on my n90013:03
andre__yeah, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog is quite outdated13:03
MohammadAGhttp://gitorious.org/community-ssu/mp-fremantle-community-pr/blobs/master/debian/changelog13:04
MohammadAGmerlin1991, I'm so cutting down your paycheck13:04
MohammadAGby about 30%13:04
prometoysthanks MohammadAG13:04
prometoyse.g. the osso-calculator didn't change to portrait,13:06
prometoysmust i force it?13:06
MohammadAGno, it should work13:06
prometoysmhh, it doesnt work here. the taskswitcher is in portrait, but when I change to the calc it turns back to landscape13:10
MohammadAGinteresting, did you reboot after the upgrade?13:11
prometoysdoesnt it force it... i can do it again13:11
prometoysanother question: how is the relationship between cssu and nokia?13:12
freemangordon_prometoys : are you sure calculator is not blacklisted?13:12
prometoyswhere is the blacklist?13:13
freemangordon_MohammadAG : what do you think about new update this evening? fixing marble segfault (and most probably several others).13:15
Kaptenentransitions.ini13:15
andre__calculator in portrait mode works fine for me in 16.5.13:17
prometoysok, i just have only 1613:18
andre__version info is at "settings > general > about community ssu"13:18
andre__ah, you're faster. yeah, it does not work in 16.13:18
freemangordon_update to 16.513:18
prometoysbut 16.5 ist not out yet, right?13:19
psycho_oreosthanks MohammadAG && freemangordon_ && Pali (currently AWOL) on this upgrade13:20
psycho_oreosits out13:20
freemangordon_it is since yesterday13:20
psycho_oreosand as usual the rest of the CSSU devs :)13:20
prometoysmhh, i updated yesterday13:20
prometoysi have the cssu testing repo active13:21
psycho_oreosprobably a difference in timing13:21
freemangordon_try again today13:21
prometoysjust on my way13:21
prometoyscan somebody answer my question about the relationship between cssu and nokia?13:21
prometoysi know, they didn't support it official, but did they support you, the devs?13:22
psycho_oreosI'm not a dev, but I don't think there's any sort of relationship between the two13:22
psycho_oreosI personally doubt it13:22
psycho_oreoshonestly, nokia pretty much abandoned maemo, what's the chance that they still would offer support to CSSU? if anything there might be minor talks between individuals whom either works at nokia or worked at nokia to provide help but that's only individual basis rather than nokia as a whole13:24
prometoyspsycho_oreos, i'm curios what the devs say13:25
andre__what devs?13:25
prometoysat least the cssu use some part of the maemo infrastructure, right13:26
* psycho_oreos thinks CSSU devs in particular13:26
prometoysthe cssu devs13:26
X-FadeI've setup the CSSU repos on the maemo.org infra.13:26
X-FadeNokia is fine with that.13:26
prometoysand do they reply on questions in the mailinglst, forum or bugzilla (andre__ ;) )13:27
* andre__ still has no clue who "they" is13:28
psycho_oreosX-Fade, out of curiousity, will you create a tarball or somesort for mxr?13:28
X-Fadepsycho_oreos: Why would I?13:29
JaffaMorning, all13:29
psycho_oreosX-Fade, for those who wants to archive portions or maemo.org as a whole. Certain members of the maemo community are concerned about the future of maemo.org13:30
psycho_oreoshi Jaffa13:30
prometoysandre__,  they: e.g. people who work for nokia to develop maemo in the first place13:30
andre__so "Ex-Nokia-Maemo developers"13:30
X-Fadepsycho_oreos: mxr is managed by timeless, who moved away.13:31
psycho_oreosX-Fade, ahh bugger :| thanks13:32
freemangordon_MohammadAG : ping13:35
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amiconnMeh, not only does cssu remove packages without asking, it also changes settings :\13:40
psycho_oreosI think you'll find CSSU is given almost the same level of credentials as SSU :)13:41
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prometoysis there a short name for the last community update (like PR1.3) ?14:32
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prometoysdoes anybody use the app fahrplan?15:02
prometoysif i try to change the station it crashs15:02
prometoyscan it be related to the cssu update?15:02
MohammadAGfreemangordon_, pong15:09
freemangordon_i think another uodate is needed asap, fixing marbles , fahrplan and smsevo segfaults15:10
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freemangordon_what do you think15:11
MohammadAGfreemangordon_, sure, what's the reason for the segfaults though?15:12
freemangordon_me ;-)15:14
freemangordon_will see in mr15:14
MohammadAGfreemangordon_, sent it? cause i'm on the bus15:17
MohammadAGand on the N950, a link would be nice15:17
* MohammadAG hopes power saving doesn't kill this connection15:18
freemangordon_will need at least 2-3 hours, cannot connect to my home pc for some reason, so will start when i am home15:19
MohammadAGwhat's the reason then? :p15:21
freemangordon_null widget pointer :-D15:22
freemangordon_dereferencing15:22
freemangordon_hm, i was able to connect to my desktop, miracles of internet :-D15:24
MohammadAGlol15:28
prometoyswhat is modest offline imap supprt in detail?15:33
MohammadAGdownloads messages so you can see them while offline15:35
MohammadAGrather than having to connect to view the message body15:35
prometoyscan i force the download of a folder or how i use it.15:36
prometoysi saw a option with a crypted name in the account settings15:36
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prometoysbut wasn't I able to read already downloaded messages offline before, too?15:38
prometoysif you wonder why I asking so many questions, I'm working on an article about the CSSU15:39
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amiconnmeh16:04
amiconnThe latest cssu (16.5) didn't uninstall my preciousss packages anymore, but it once more disabled bluetooth.16:04
amiconnWhy can't it restore the correct status after reboot?16:05
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prometoyshow can i make a screenshot of the landscape hildon desktop16:30
psycho_oreosCtrl+Shift+P16:33
freemangordon_semi-open the keyboard16:33
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Creteilarcean, hi16:34
Creteiljust read a PM on TMO16:34
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DocScrutinizerhttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1084248#post108424816:35
Creteiloops16:35
CreteilIt's not arcean PM me on TMO :-)16:36
CreteilI'm mad ...16:36
arceanCreteil: what's up?16:36
arceanaah, ok:)16:36
CreteilJust a user seeing my post about the new gconf key you quick added for me to lock desktop in portrait mode :-)16:37
CreteilSo I'm gona put a link to the .deb then users can benefit from your work :-16:37
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arceanCreteil: wait !16:44
Creteilarcean, why ?16:44
arceandesktop lock is a part of the current update16:44
arceanmaemo16.516:45
Creteil???16:45
Creteilwhere is this update ? OTA ?16:45
Creteilalready pushed ?16:45
arceanyes16:45
Creteilah ok16:45
arceanhttp://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#PR_1.3.3.7-10.516:45
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prometoysthanks, opening keyboard partly worked16:47
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MohammadAGamiconn, it's not the cssu's problem, but rather hAM16:49
MohammadAGit puts the device in offline mode before updating, and that turns off bluetooth and location sharing in IM16:50
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amiconnMohammadAG: Why doesn't it turn the things back on afterwards?17:12
amiconnIt does so for other functions, like gsm/umts and wifi17:12
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freemangordon_MohammadAG ping18:37
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ThreeMhmm, i got no update to cssu 16.5. is that normal?18:49
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ThreeMok forget about my issue, now ham will show me the update...18:56
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freemangordon_Guys, who is maintaining this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/QA19:32
freemangordon_Because we have several bugs fixed in the last updates, and they still remain as valid, example here https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1224619:33
povbotBug 12246: PDF Reader: Scrolling after the last page of an opened document freezes the reader19:33
MohammadAGamiconn, idk, that's how mce does things, not us19:38
amiconnmce?19:38
freemangordon_MohammadAG https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/merge_requests/219:40
Stskeepsfreemangordon_: a couple of comments on the SSU/QA list, 1) set up triage meetings (http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-qa/2011-September/002224.html ) - that way you can get bugs prioritised visibly to any contributor, add on top of it a keyword for 'easyfix', ie, someone knowledgeable looked at it and think any idiot off the street can fix it19:44
Stskeepsand sort it on the page - as well as direct directions on how to contribute, etc, so someone will be captured19:45
Stskeepsthat way it's much easier to see what needs to be done19:45
freemangordon_Thanks, the problem is that currently CSSU seems to lack support from Maemo council, which I think is the body that should organize things. Hope things will change after elections, as if they remain the same ...19:48
freemangordon_What we are missing here is some kind of project management19:48
freemangordon_And seems noone wants to take that role19:49
Stskeeps(brb eating)19:50
freemangordon_Lets hope current buzz around updates will attract people willing to help with organization, docimentation, etc.19:51
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Stskeepsyeah.. there was a really good "can do" attitude on tmo for a while, when abill_uk was banned and it felt like old iTT again but now it just turned shit.. anyway, let me just look up some things that relate to your troubles19:58
RST38hStskeeps: You do not actually believe that all the tmo problems are because of the abill bozo?19:59
Stskeepsfrankly, if i were you, i would set up triage meetings involving CSSU testers/users and use those as directions, it is a good algorithm for basic project management19:59
Stskeepscouncil has never really been much about actual governing19:59
Stskeepsand more about motivating initiative20:00
Stskeepshttp://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41092&highlight=project+management was an idea i had long ago about structuring work on maemo.org20:00
freemangordon_Me? I am not even CSSU team member, how am I supposed to organize things.20:00
Stskeepsinitiative ;)20:00
freemangordon_:D20:00
Stskeepsi can't even see who's involved from the web pages20:01
Stskeeps:P20:01
Stskeepsexcept MohammadAG20:01
freemangordon_TDH I was thinking about initiative, just let current bugs get fixed.20:02
freemangordon_gitorious is the right place20:02
StskeepsRST38h: no, but it doesn't help20:02
freemangordon_yep ^20:03
freemangordon_And honestly I am not sure I want to get involved in CSSU more than simple coding and bugfixing, as I want to contribute to several other projects (kernel-power, DSP stuff,...)20:04
Stskeepseverything's connected, CSSU's a delivery mechanism :P20:05
freemangordon_only 24 hours a day ;)20:05
freemangordon_s/a/in a20:05
Stskeepsyeah20:05
Stskeepsi've learnt that the hard way20:05
* Stskeeps glances at bugs list20:06
freemangordon_correct, but realy there should be some "official" body behind that, you know, PR is important20:06
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RST38hMohammad is the body20:06
RST38hhead, hands, etc too20:07
freemangordon_no, he is not20:07
Stskeepswell, as you can see with our CE stuff, it does better to show good results instead of having a fancy organisation :P20:07
freemangordon_:D:D:D20:07
Stskeepsbut that's offtopic here20:07
freemangordon_yeah, but you too are missing PR20:07
freemangordon_:P20:07
RST38hbetter have a working product than pr20:08
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freemangordon_sure20:08
Stskeepsfreemangordon_: don't worry, we'll have a bang at the end of the month :)20:08
RST38hYou will? =)20:08
freemangordon_secret?20:08
Stskeepsfreemangordon_: nah, we're just getting awesome performance with our 1.3 rebase20:09
freemangordon_wow, that is great20:09
freemangordon_so on topic: MAG is project maintainer, the official CSSU owner is Maemo Council according to wiki page20:10
StskeepsMohammadAG: would you be interested in a bug triage?20:10
freemangordon_He is on his way to Jerusalem I think, at least he mentioned something like that yesterday20:11
Stskeepsok20:11
Stskeepsi should really add this to autojoin..20:11
freemangordon_Yeah, joining here from time to time should help keep the spirit high20:13
freemangordon_And this is what TMO laks these days20:13
freemangordon_*lacks20:13
Stskeepsmy wife uses my n900 so i have some interest in CSSU :P20:14
freemangordon_Some interest? I think you have an obligation :P20:14
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Stskeepsplanning to move her on to N9 eventually :P20:15
freemangordon_:D20:16
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sunkanI have problems with MFE when going through a Juniper SSL VPN box, it gets stuck on mails sometimes (easiest for me to reproduce is to reply to a medium large email). I have tried forcing different versions and excluding some folders but it does not seem to help.21:02
sunkanIt works if I sync directly with the server (Exchange 2003) over VPN, but the VPN itself is not working very good so it's a bit of a hassle to get it syncing all the time..21:02
sunkanIs there any use to troubleshoot this further or should I just accept to sync over VPN anyway?21:03
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phoenix__|MohammadAG: merge request for modest-l10n : https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/modest-l10n/merge_requests/221:48
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MohammadAGStskeeps? how long you been here? :p22:57
Stskeepssince earlier today22:57
Stskeeps:P22:57
* MohammadAG dccs a beer over22:58
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freemangordon_MohammadAG ping23:57

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