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| Jaffa | Morning, all | 10:50 |
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| fw190 | Hello there | 11:08 |
| fw190 | One quick question. Are there any chances for one more CSSU update? | 11:08 |
| mece | I do believe things are still moving there... | 11:12 |
| mece | here | 11:12 |
| fw190 | well looking at the loogs and gitorious hmmm doesn't look good | 11:13 |
| mece | oh? | 11:13 |
| mece | perhaps not then | 11:13 |
| mece | no idea | 11:13 |
| fw190 | I've tried to ask the Council but no response from them | 11:14 |
| fw190 | there are a few good things waiting to be pushed since a while | 11:14 |
| mece | well jaffa is here... | 11:14 |
| fw190 | I'm a bit afraid about the update since the last one was months ago | 11:17 |
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| fw190 | as I stated in the"ask the Council" good or bad but some news are needed. I will take them as the are without complain or blaiming someone | 11:19 |
| Jaffa | ? | 11:20 |
| Jaffa | fw190: Dunno, ask MohammadAG - but he's been busy with starting uni | 11:21 |
| fw190 | so everything depends on MohammadAG? Without him nothing can be done or without him CSSU is dead? Just asking. I want to understand how things work with CSSU. | 11:22 |
| Jaffa | He's the coordinator & main maintainer. | 11:24 |
| Jaffa | That's not to say he is irreplacable, but no-one else has volunteered (AFAIK) | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | However, I've no idea what's pending in gitorious that hasn't been pushed? | 11:25 |
| Jaffa | Or if there are lots of high quality merge requests sitting around | 11:25 |
| fw190 | Looking at harmattan IRC logs he is also busy with N950 so generally speaking things for N900 don't look good | 11:26 |
| Jaffa | However, if gitorious hasn't changed, no-one has contributed any changes - that's not dependent on MohammadAG, that's dependent on any developer with something to contribute | 11:26 |
| fw190 | thanks for the clarification and the usefull answers | 11:26 |
| fw190 | But if nothing has changed on gitorious one could think that the update is ready or parts of the update are ready | 11:27 |
| Jaffa | Well, the key should be to start a conversation with him. Either on IRC or via maemo-developers (subject prefixed with "[CSSU]"); and with facts about changes in gitorious which should be pushed (relatively easy), merge requests which need merging (dependent on quality of MRs) or whether or not you can help drum up developers to actually fix bugs & contribute changes. | 11:27 |
| Jaffa | And it's still waiting for someone to propose a stabilisation approach from -testing to a general release CSSU | 11:28 |
| fw190 | I understand | 11:28 |
| fw190 | Once again thank You for the information | 11:28 |
| fw190 | this lightens up a few things for me | 11:28 |
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| freemangordon_ | arcean : ping | 12:22 |
| arcean | freemangordon_: hey | 12:23 |
| freemangordon_ | :-D | 12:23 |
| freemangordon_ | the hd on hd portrait thread has memleak | 12:23 |
| arcean | did you find it? | 12:24 |
| freemangordon_ | it is fixed on my repo, stil not merged on main git | 12:24 |
| freemangordon_ | yep | 12:24 |
| arcean | aah, ok :) | 12:24 |
| freemangordon_ | the problem is that there are users using deb from thread | 12:25 |
| arcean | I saw you have also patched gtk | 12:25 |
| freemangordon_ | yes | 12:25 |
| freemangordon_ | as mohhamadag is missing is it possible you to upload new hd on your thread | 12:26 |
| arcean | I think it's the only solution now | 12:26 |
| arcean | I will say nothing about portrait wallpapers on tmo | 12:27 |
| freemangordon_ | unfortunately gtk should be installed too, otherwise UI experience in tasknav would be ugly sometimes | 12:27 |
| arcean | as it looks as it's crashing hildon-home for some people | 12:27 |
| freemangordon_ | ok | 12:27 |
| freemangordon_ | it is up to you | 12:27 |
| arcean | but we should force somebody to release a new update :D | 12:27 |
| arcean | of the CSSU | 12:27 |
| freemangordon_ | YES | 12:28 |
| arcean | and what about a new qt | 12:28 |
| freemangordon_ | but who, i have been trying to reach MohammadAG for last 10 days | 12:28 |
| arcean | is it stable? | 12:28 |
| freemangordon_ | qtquick should be rebuild against it, and some other plugins too | 12:29 |
| arcean | he has been moving to a university or something | 12:29 |
| arcean | ahh | 12:29 |
| freemangordon_ | afaik those are the only problems | 12:29 |
| freemangordon_ | so... we are in KP situation :-D | 12:30 |
| arcean | what's KP situation :D? | 12:30 |
| freemangordon_ | pali has to go to school :-D | 12:30 |
| freemangordon_ | re QT - I am using it on my primary device since bug was fixed, no problem so far | 12:32 |
| arcean | nice | 12:34 |
| arcean | maybe qt-components will be usable | 12:34 |
| freemangordon_ | i was able to run qml web browser from meego ce with it ;-) unfortunately it is useless :-D | 12:36 |
| arcean | heh | 12:38 |
| arcean | it looks like my scratchbox env is dead :/ | 12:38 |
| freemangordon_ | btw i think it is a good idea to uncomment blacklist fom transitions.ini . calendar should be blacklisted too | 12:38 |
| freemangordon_ | damn | 12:38 |
| arcean | i was thinking about whitelist | 12:39 |
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| arcean | e.g when force portrait == false, then blacklist works as whitelist | 12:40 |
| arcean | or something like that | 12:40 |
| arcean | only for system apps | 12:40 |
| freemangordon_ | not a bad idea, but TBH we should freeze development for a while. I mean leave it for the nex updtae ;-) | 12:41 |
| arcean | yup | 12:41 |
| freemangordon_ | otherwise things cannot stabilize | 12:41 |
| freemangordon_ | the second next :-D | 12:42 |
| arcean | but then again we're waiting for a month or so :D | 12:42 |
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| freemangordon_ | are we on a hurry :-D . anyway it is up to you of course. and I reccomend to try my latest changes first ;-) | 12:43 |
| freemangordon_ | maybe whitelist is not neede at all | 12:43 |
| freemangordon_ | sorry for typos, usin n900 | 12:43 |
| arcean | how nice, i have to reinstall sdk :headdesk: | 12:44 |
| arcean | all in all, I'll upload it today on tmo ;) | 12:45 |
| freemangordon_ | sorry for that :-( | 12:45 |
| freemangordon_ | don't forget gtk | 12:45 |
| arcean | no problem, but i'm wondering why it's dead | 12:45 |
| freemangordon_ | fsck? | 12:46 |
| arcean | probably get mixed with harmattan toolchain | 12:47 |
| freemangordon_ | why you don't use vmware image | 12:47 |
| arcean | good question :) | 12:48 |
| freemangordon_ | that is what i use, works ok | 12:49 |
| arcean | I dropped it after a while | 12:50 |
| arcean | not sure why | 12:50 |
| freemangordon_ | :-D | 12:50 |
| freemangordon_ | so, no chance of new update until middle of september? | 12:52 |
| arcean | :D | 12:52 |
| arcean | actually downloading sdk | 12:52 |
| freemangordon_ | i mean cssu. there should be at least one more administrator, we are using momentum that way | 12:53 |
| freemangordon_ | losing* | 12:54 |
| arcean | maybe it's time to start discussion about is on mail list or tmo | 12:55 |
| freemangordon_ | yep, agree | 12:55 |
| arcean | what we need is also support from community council | 12:55 |
| arcean | couse it looks, like they have forgot about CSSU | 12:56 |
| freemangordon_ | absolutely | 12:56 |
| freemangordon_ | most of the have moved "ahead" I think ;-) | 12:56 |
| freemangordon_ | them* | 12:56 |
| freemangordon_ | we need to find someone with english as native language to do that | 12:57 |
| freemangordon_ | you are not native english speaker, are you? | 12:58 |
| freemangordon_ | thinking about woody , I believe he won't decline. What do you think? | 13:00 |
| freemangordon_ | very smart guy and strong maemo supporter | 13:01 |
| arcean | woody? why not:) | 13:09 |
| freemangordon_ | I will pm him later | 13:11 |
| arcean | ok | 13:12 |
| arcean | have to go, bbl | 13:12 |
| freemangordon_ | bb | 13:12 |
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| DocScrutinizer | blacklist/whitelist: I still don't get it why you don't combine this in a way of >> <regex for binary path> =[1|2|3|4]{1;4} << | 17:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | maybe even replace <regex for biary path> by <window title>/<window role>/whatever | 17:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | for ideas look at KDE's "special window settings" in window menu of an arbitrary app | 17:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | it doesn't have "rotation" in tab "provisions" but that's about the only thing it doesn't have. The concept of overriding arbitrary window properties anyway is brilliant | 17:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | also the selection of "enforce once on open"/"allow"/"enforce"/etc... | 17:51 |
| freemangordon_ | I have a feeling that while it could be "good to have" it won't be needed. In state last hd (on cssu git) blacklisting is all needed I think. Do you mind to continue on this once you have seen it(hopefully later this evening if arcean succeeds with scratchbox reinstallation :) ). | 17:56 |
| freemangordon_ | maybe power menu option "current app(stick to landscape/allow rotation)" plus an option to lock the phone in portrait is better | 18:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | please look at kwin, and at file ~/.kde/share/config/kwinrulesrc - obviously we wouldn't need all of what's in there, but I think just defining the things we actually need in a way that's similar to what is in kwinrulesrc would make a lot of sense, as we are free to augment this syntax in the way we need | 19:04 |
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| DocScrutinizer | also note please even stock dialer has no force-to-landscape but a force-to-portrait and an auto option | 19:07 |
| freemangordon | TBH our last problem now is blcklist/whitelist/*rc files. Seems there is noone to make new CSSU version. I look into today's logs (those before our conversation with arcean) and seems Jaffa has not even taken a look at gitorious for at least 2 months, MohhamadAG is nowhere to be found (even he is joined to channel) | 19:09 |
| freemangordon | ...and stuff like that | 19:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | I don't think it's sane to set force-phone-to-portrait=true and then blacklist by stick-to-landscape all but that one app that I actually want to keep in portrait | 19:09 |
| merlin_1991 | DocScrutinizer: about stock dialer, it has 'hochformat', 'landschaft', 'automatisch' | 19:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's the way it should be for all apps, configured in some file similar to kwinrulesrc | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | There is no sense to continue development until there is clear and easy way to push things to general public (I think) | 19:11 |
| freemangordon | If it would take 2-3 weeks for merge request to be pushed or source code to be uploaded to gitorious, sorry, that is not my cake. Lets see what will emerge from TMO and eventually here (if anyone of "CSSU team" actally reads here) | 19:13 |
| freemangordon | I mean the question from fw190, etc... | 19:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG told me some hours ago he's busy with university first days hassle and will be offline until Sunday | 19:14 |
| freemangordon | And then what? | 19:14 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I got nfc who else is "CSSU core team" | 19:14 |
| DocScrutinizer | clearly me's not | 19:15 |
| merlin_1991 | DocScrutinizer: there are a few people who can push to gitorious, but only mag can put stuff into the repos | 19:15 |
| freemangordon | me too, nor arcean, pali, the people who actually did something for the last months | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | no idea about all that stuff. I just think nobody of the "core team" seems really active lately | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | seems sth needs to be done about that | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | And all is ok until at least I don't have a feeling that I am just wasting time | 19:16 |
| merlin_1991 | DocScrutinizer: the core team is mag, that's where the problem lies | 19:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | yup | 19:16 |
| freemangordon | It is easy to be solved, who is in position to add another administrator? | 19:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | at very least the current admin I guess | 19:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather that's moh? | 19:18 |
| merlin_1991 | freemangordon: for gitorious that'd be mag, for the repos I think xfade | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer: please, I am not native engish speaker, take it easy with abbreviations | 19:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: | 19:19 |
| freemangordon | there is no use, i've been trying to reach him for 2-3 weeks | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | I gather current admin is MohammadAG | 19:20 |
| merlin_1991 | Yep | 19:20 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | hmm | 19:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | so we need to send out a search&rescue team to track him down | 19:21 |
| freemangordon | yep | 19:21 |
| merlin_1991 | People who can push to gitorious: https://gitorious.org/+cssu-developers/memberships | 19:21 |
| merlin_1991 | Jaffa ping | 19:21 |
| freemangordon | btw you have right | 19:21 |
| freemangordon | *rights | 19:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | for repos the guy to pester for sure is x-fade | 19:22 |
| merlin_1991 | Yeah but for some reason I can't add repos to the project, fsckd gitorious right system | 19:22 |
| freemangordon | I think you should be given rights by an administrator | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | not sure though | 19:23 |
| freemangordon | anyway, that is plain stupd, what if MAG falls in love with a beauty an dissapears going on a honeymoon? | 19:24 |
| merlin_1991 | We invade israel then :P | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | ok, desicion made :D | 19:25 |
| merlin_1991 | But true, there should be at least 2 'admins' | 19:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | common problem | 19:25 |
| freemangordon | and in meanwhile (while preparing ammos) what could be done? | 19:26 |
| merlin_1991 | Ping mag when he's around and set up a 2nd admin | 19:26 |
| freemangordon | Because AFAIK there are several packages which must be rebuild against QT 4.7.4 if we don't want to break several apps (qutetube one of them) | 19:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | you see that "missing proxy for admin" issue all the time, wherever you look | 19:28 |
| freemangordon | I've done that (pinged MAG) several times, check the logs. | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | No single pong | 19:29 |
| freemangordon | So... we are stuck? | 19:31 |
| merlin_1991 | Yep | 19:32 |
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| freemangordon | Hmm... | 19:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | offline, sorry | 19:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | last been [2011-09-01 18:28:11] <freemangordon> Because AFAIK th | 19:33 |
| merlin_1991 | I'm stuck too, the last ubuntu update left my scratchbox box in an unbootable state | 19:33 |
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| freemangordon | As you may probably saw we discuss that with arcean and decide to raise the issue on TMO | 19:34 |
| freemangordon | what do you think? | 19:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | aiui MohammadAG can't do a lot about additional admins / check-in allowed users for repo. That's all X-Fade's domain I guess | 19:34 |
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| merlin1991 | Yep | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | But I'm pretty sure that he has to ping xfade about ti | 19:35 |
| freemangordon | who will do that, my english is not good enough for that | 19:35 |
| merlin1991 | freemangordon: currently we're stuck untill mag is back | 19:36 |
| freemangordon | ok, lets wait until Sunday then. | 19:36 |
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| DocScrutinizer | ping Jaffa and X-Fade | 19:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | both should be "available" | 19:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's not that much we need from MohammadAG to tackle the issue | 19:38 |
| freemangordon | yep, see what i mean | 19:38 |
| merlin1991 | for the gitorious side we need mag | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | X-Fade: could you consider granting freemangordon access to CSSU repo? | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | on git side there are TWO admins already | 19:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | https://gitorious.org/+cssu-developers/memberships | 19:41 |
| freemangordon | Yes, but did you read todays's logs? | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | Jaffa has no clue what is going on on gitorious. | 19:43 |
| freemangordon | "However, I've no idea what's pending in gitorious that hasn't been pushed?" | 19:43 |
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| merlin1991 | I wonder if jaffa can add repos on gitorious, and untill he pongs here I won't know | 19:46 |
| freemangordon | ok, lets wait then. | 19:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa is admin as MohammadAG on git, so he can do all that MohammadAG can do | 19:51 |
| DocScrutinizer | if he knows *how* to do it :-) | 19:51 |
| freemangordon | merlin1991 : In meanwhile you could download scratchbox vmware image in an attempt to restore your scratchbox :P | 19:51 |
| merlin1991 | nah I'll get that bastard of a laptop to boot again | 19:52 |
| merlin1991 | can't be that broken | 19:52 |
| DocScrutinizer | jaffa claiming he doesn't know what's pending just means he didn't bother to check I guess | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | DocScrutinizer : yes, that is a big issue too, if I become an admin instantly, I have no idea houw to upload things in CSSU repo. | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | sure | 19:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | then you should try to learn :-D | 19:53 |
| freemangordon | :D | 19:54 |
| freemangordon | no problem, still not too old (hopefully) | 19:55 |
| merlin1991 | fss now the thing just boots without any bs, wtf? | 19:55 |
| merlin1991 | s/fss/ffs/ | 19:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | plus we (the channel, the interest group, whoever) should consider setting up a certain set of rules about who and based on which criteria decides on what's going to repo and what needs further evaluation etc | 19:55 |
| freemangordon | absolutely | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | there should be rules | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | I am having high hopes next council to be a little bit different to current | 19:56 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG doing this on an per-acclamation basis isn't the right thing | 19:56 |
| freemangordon | agree, roadmap is a must | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | plus all the things we once discussed | 19:57 |
| freemangordon | guys, I have to travel, will keep online but won't be able to write | 19:58 |
| merlin1991 | how does one paste into a gnome terminal? | 19:58 |
| * DocScrutinizer is away as well, need to get shower, dinner, etc... | 19:58 | |
| freemangordon | ctrl+shift+v | 19:58 |
| merlin1991 | thanks | 19:58 |
| freemangordon | ttl | 19:58 |
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| merlin1991 | I got tired of using right mouse -> paste :D | 19:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | the "add shift" scheme is common practice for all sorts of kbd / mouse actions that wouldn't work with the "unshifted" method. Works as well for highlighting text and pasting text in e.g. mc via mouse LMB / MMB | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | I.E highlight text with shift+LeftMousButton, paste with Sh+MMB | 20:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | Sh+Ctl+C/X/V also works in Konsole | 20:03 |
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| Jaffa | freemangordon: Not read all of scrollback, but if there are merge requests of good quality ready to be merged; we can make them pushed. | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | Jaffa: can you add repos to the "project" on gitorious? | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | No idea | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: said everyone in cssu-developers should be able todo that, but I can't | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | Not tried | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | What do I click? :-p | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | I guess there is a button when you're in the project page | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | https://gitorious.org/community-ssu <-- somewhere on there I guess | 20:29 |
| Jaffa | Indeed, I know the URL ;-) | 20:30 |
| Jaffa | I have an "Add repository" button | 20:30 |
| Jaffa | I'm guessing it's an administrator thing | 20:30 |
| merlin1991 | weird | 20:30 |
| merlin1991 | yeah I guess it's an admin hting | 20:30 |
| Jaffa | OK, so - as I asked yesterday - instead of people running off to the "Ask the Council" thread asking "make it betterz", there should be an email - public - to maemo-developers, with "[CSSU]" in the subject which says: | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | 1) What repositories want creating | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | 2) What merge requests need reviewing, because no-one has | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | 3) What merge requests need further work | 20:31 |
| Jaffa | 4) How we should call for developers to fix bugs in the existing version | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | 5) If anyone will volunteer to come up with a process for stabilising (whilst not impacting -testing) | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | PS. I'm happy to make merlin1991 - or any of the other demonstrably contributed project members - an admin | 20:32 |
| Jaffa | And, if MohammadAG - having started university - can't push changes which have been merged for wider testing, that's a relatively simple thing to handover. | 20:33 |
| Jaffa | PPS. (On the PS, obviously I'd want to check with MohammadAG) | 20:33 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 20:33 |
| Jaffa | Going to dash for the train. Thoughts welcome. As would someone updating the "Ask the Council" thread with this - or pointing here. | 20:34 |
| Jaffa | I've not heard anything specific yet. No-one's mentioned if arcean's portrait desktop mode has had a merge request, or posted such a large merge request (and its algorithm) to maemo-developers for the original developers to look over/discuss. | 20:34 |
| Jaffa | TMO is not productive for busy folk. | 20:35 |
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| Jaffa | Wow, I shut everyone up ;) | 21:14 |
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| freemangordon_ | sorry bit busy | 21:34 |
| freemangordon_ | there is a lot merged plus several mr pending on gitorious. | 21:35 |
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| MohammadAG | haven't gone anywhere, getting started with uni took a bit of my time though | 21:36 |
| freemangordon_ | re mailing list - where is that procedure to follow? and who is that going to evaluate merge requests? | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | N900 comes before the N950, for me at least | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | (reading logs) | 21:37 |
| freemangordon_ | who is there? glad to hear from you | 21:37 |
| MohammadAG | QtQuickCompat? I think the package should be null'd in the CSSU | 21:38 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon_, did I announce a leave till mid september? :P | 21:39 |
| MohammadAG | I agree that a whitelist is better than a whitelist | 21:40 |
| MohammadAG | or have both, and prioritize the whitelist over the blacklist if a conflict occurs | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | or, while nasty, make the whitelist live inside hildon-desktop's code | 21:41 |
| MohammadAG | that way, users with force portrait off (since we recommended this to everyone) can have portrait mode in apps like contacts | 21:42 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, I'm off uni till sunday, holidays :P | 21:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | yoh | 21:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | better for you, no diff for us? | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | Umm, who doesn't mind sending international SMSs? | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon_, pings last till the buffer fills up, that's 10 lines, ping me in PM instead | 21:44 |
| freemangordon_ | no, you did see you announcing that you are missing till mid september | 21:46 |
| freemangordon_ | ops | 21:46 |
| freemangordon_ | i did not | 21:46 |
| freemangordon_ | see you announcing | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, big diff for you | 21:46 |
| MohammadAG | I would've pushed the update between 20-30 August, but QMLTube doesn't start | 21:47 |
| freemangordon_ | anyway, i am busy right now, but you should be able to see what is going on from logs | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | I'm not sure if Qt should be pushed without further testing | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | QtQuickCompat was for "import QtQuick 1.0" instead of Qt 4.7 | 21:47 |
| MohammadAG | this is available in Qt 4.7.4 by default, the package is redundant, we could offer an update to it that's simply a dumbpackage | 21:48 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: I don't mind :D | 21:48 |
| merlin1991 | it's 0,04€ for me xD | 21:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | please reconsider my above suggestion along kwinrulesrc | 21:50 |
| MohammadAG | back on subject | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | Qt Mobility, some versions don't require recompilation, this should be tracked | 21:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | I suggest a key orientations=1,2,3,4(5,6) | 21:53 |
| RST38h | Mohammad: Doc has been complaining that the original PR1.3 camera-ui is gone now, once you install cssu. Is it true? | 21:53 |
| MohammadAG | yes, you can reinstall it with apt-get --reinstall install camera-ui=PR1.3version | 21:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | where 1,2,3,4 are the xrandr orientations obviously, 5,6 are landscape and landscape-upside-down when hwkbd slided out, and would take precedence always | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | xrandr? we don't use that, rotation is handled in hildon-desktop internally | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, let's put some goals that should be done before the next release | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | Either, push update without Qt 4.7.4 | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | or | 21:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | so no more whitelist and/or blacklist (I don't get it anyway why we'd need a blacklist for portrait but don't have any for landscape) | 21:55 |
| MohammadAG | 1) Test Qt Mobility related applications, see which version(s) of Qt Mobility require(s) updating/repackaging | 21:56 |
| MohammadAG | 2) See what should be done with QtQuickCompat, as I said, it's useless, however, packages like twimgo depend on mscp, which depends on QtQuickCompat | 21:57 |
| MohammadAG | mcsp* | 21:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | if we follow that scheme of getting a config file (or even white/black-list) please also already consider a scheme analog to sudoers, like /etc/hdorientation.d/* | 21:59 |
| DocScrutinizer | as otherwise adding and esp removing lines to one file from postinstall is a PITA | 22:00 |
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| merlin1991 | hey /etc/hdorientation.d/* sounds great | 22:02 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, why would you need to add a line in postinst? | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | because my app might want to get forced into a special orientation | 22:02 |
| DocScrutinizer | generally that'd be *one* file that has info bits related to *multiple* packages. It's always a PITA to have such a concept | 22:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | see /etc/sudoers[.d] | 22:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | you'd frequently want to clean up orientation locks in there for packages you remove/uninstall | 22:04 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, that's why it's configurable in the .desktop file | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | suppose someone has an app that can't be in portrait | 22:05 |
| MohammadAG | they add X-CSSU-Force-Landscape=true to the .desktop file | 22:05 |
| DocScrutinizer | and cat /etc/hdorientation|grep -v <mypkgname>|/tmp/hdorientation && mv /tmp/hdorientation /etc that's no good practice | 22:06 |
| DocScrutinizer | WOW, I got pretty harsh bashing about that idea when I came up with it | 22:07 |
| toxaris | I want to blacklist for hildon-desktop maemo calender, what is the name? I tryed with Calender and calender, didnt work | 22:07 |
| MohammadAG | osso-calendar I guess | 22:07 |
| toxaris | ahh, thx | 22:07 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: sometimes people reconsider after they bash :) | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway we want force-portrait as well as force-landscape, and possibly we want the other 2 orientations as well, in PR2.4, and maybe even the virtual orientations landscape-due-to-hwkbd-slideout and the upside down version thereof | 22:09 |
| DocScrutinizer | so once again my suggestion: orientations=1,2,3,4(5,6) where 1,2,3,4 are the xrandr orientations obviously, 5,6 are landscape and landscape-upside-down when hwkbd slided out, and would take precedence always | 22:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | allow-auto would be "orientations=1,2,3,4,5,6" then force to landscape was "orientations=1", portrait "orientations=2", etc | 22:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | an app that could only work in portrait but knows how to do upside-down would get "orientations=2,4" | 22:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | dialer forced to portrait via /etc/hdorientations.d/rtcom-dialer-ui: "orientations=2,5" (for landscape when kbd slides out) | 22:14 |
| freemangordon_ | guys, did you try what is latest on gitorious? | 22:14 |
| freemangordon_ | and it is Calendar | 22:16 |
| freemangordon_ | it must be blacklisted | 22:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Maemo Calendar]\norientations=1\n | 22:17 |
| DocScrutinizer | err | 22:18 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, but what is the point of this to be done now | 22:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | [Maemo Calendar]\nbinary-name=/usr/bin/osso-calendar\norientations=1\n | 22:18 |
| freemangordon_ | we have something that looks stable, what are we waiting for? | 22:18 |
| freemangordon_ | we only need to check qtquick,qml or whatever it is called and recompile what is needed | 22:19 |
| freemangordon_ | everything else looks stable, why not release it? | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | see my two Qt points above | 22:20 |
| MohammadAG | I'm going over merge requests | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure, go ahead. I bet I'm more happy (or less pissed) with a blacklist for portrait mode that contains all the apps that really suck (almost all do, in my book), rather than just seeing HAM rotate to portrait mode, or settings, or whatever | 22:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | and for sure I don't ant *all* apps forced into either mode, dialer for example is already forced to portrait on my device, always been | 22:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | want* | 22:23 |
| freemangordon_ | MohammadAG : ok lets focus on QT and do what is needed. re black/white lists and other goodies I am pretty sure arcean has something in mind. but lets .eave that for future, there hasnot been an update for a months, who are doing things for? | 22:24 |
| MohammadAG | putting Qt aside, the update is ready | 22:25 |
| MohammadAG | so yeah, focus on the Qt | 22:25 |
| freemangordon_ | calculator won't work withouth 4.7.4 (ok, will be ugly) | 22:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | does it save the camera binary? | 22:25 |
| freemangordon_ | so you should backport hidonizing patch to 4.7.0 if 4.7.4 is not going to make it in this update | 22:26 |
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| freemangordon_ | ok then, what do we need to be ready | 22:27 |
| freemangordon_ | list please | 22:28 |
| freemangordon_ | have no idea for camera | 22:28 |
| winbl0ws | sup | 22:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | cp /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch /opt/cssu-backup/usr/bin/camera-ui.launch | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | I already said what should be done | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> 1) Test Qt Mobility related applications, see which version(s) of Qt Mobility require(s) updating/repackaging | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> 2) See what should be done with QtQuickCompat, as I said, it's useless, however, packages like twimgo depend on mscp, which depends on QtQuickCompat | 22:29 |
| MohammadAG | <MohammadAG> mcsp* | 22:30 |
| MohammadAG | camera can be restored with an apt command | 22:30 |
| freemangordon_ | so, who will do what? i mean names | 22:30 |
| freemangordon_ | ok nicks :-D | 22:31 |
| MohammadAG | I'll give some tips | 22:31 |
| toxaris | maybe blacklisting nokia-maps is something to consider also | 22:31 |
| winbl0ws | MohammadAG: excuse me, are you the one who is head of cssu? | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | Sociality, uses Qt Mobility 1.2 for multimedia (youtube vid playback) and Facebook Places | 22:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | cp --parents /usr/bin/camera-ui.launch /opt/cssu-backup/ | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | jspeed, uses Qt Mobility 1.1 for location | 22:32 |
| MohammadAG | if they start and work, we don't need to do anything | 22:32 |
| winbl0ws | MohammadAG: ? | 22:33 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: since when can camera get restored with apt? | 22:33 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, from the start it seems | 22:34 |
| MohammadAG | nicolai posted the command/version in the thread | 22:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | you always claimed it gets deleted and no way to restore it, except flashing original maemo | 22:34 |
| arcean_ | freemangordon_: I've updated hd @ tmo | 22:35 |
| MohammadAG | never claimed that, I said it can't be redistributed by us | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | apparently the package is still on maemo.nokia.com's repos | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | togglecamera o.O | 22:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | togglecamera - Script to toggle camera UI | 22:37 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, that replaces the camera window with a dummy one | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | someone requested it | 22:38 |
| freemangordon_ | arcean: great | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63462 | 22:38 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, ^ | 22:38 |
| freemangordon_ | now others can test it before any decisions for configuratinons to be made | 22:39 |
| winbl0ws | is there any way i can get skype download in my n900 (i have indian version) | 22:39 |
| MohammadAG | flash to global, and this is off topic here | 22:39 |
| winbl0ws | im downloading that was jus making sure if theres a way | 22:40 |
| freemangordon_ | not here | 22:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: aaah mmpf thought it was about how to apt-get camera-ui | 22:41 |
| freemangordon_ | btw guys after installing hd from tmo enable forced portrait and blacklist usual suspects | 22:42 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get install camera-ui=1.1.29.1+0m5 | 22:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway seems that toggle-camera has *all* it needs to switch between nicolcam and stocl-cam in an instant | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | an option would be to download the deb, extract it, and place the binary in /opt/cssu/camera-ui.orig | 22:43 |
| MohammadAG | rather than saving it in preinst | 22:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes, indeed | 22:44 |
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| DocScrutinizer | but then otoh we don't need that when we can download it any time | 22:45 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 22:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | rather download an put into camera-ui.disabled. | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | and make sure it won't get overwritten by toggle-camera | 22:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | would make toggle-camera a really nice switcher | 22:47 |
| DocScrutinizer | weitd thing is a apt-cache search camera just gives me osso-camera-ui-l10n-mr0 - osso-camera-ui marketing release package | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | weird* | 22:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | while apt-get install camera-ui=1.1.29.1+0m5 answers >>camera-ui is already the newest version<< ;-P | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | IroN900:~# apt-cache policy camera-ui | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | camera-ui: | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Installed: 1.1.29.1+0m5 | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Candidate: 1.1.29.1+0m5 | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | Version table: | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | *** 1.1.29.1+0m5 0 | 22:49 |
| DocScrutinizer | 500 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com ./ Packages | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, camera topic: check | 22:50 |
| DocScrutinizer | o/ l8r | 22:50 |
| freemangordon_ | arcean: what about gtk? | 22:53 |
| freemangordon_ | i did not check the thread on tmo | 22:54 |
| arcean_ | freemangordon_: no updated gtk on tmo | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | --reinstall | 22:55 |
| arcean_ | is it necessary? | 22:55 |
| freemangordon_ | aaah, wait for complains then | 22:55 |
| arcean_ | :D | 22:55 |
| freemangordon_ | yes, for landscape apps in portraited tasknav | 22:55 |
| freemangordon_ | i told you | 22:55 |
| arcean_ | there's only problem with relayouting dialogs | 22:59 |
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| arcean_ | at least that's I've just encounter | 23:00 |
| arcean_ | *encountered | 23:00 |
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| freemangordon_ | yep, but looks ugly | 23:08 |
| freemangordon_ | and being fixed... what's the point. whatever | 23:08 |
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| freemangordon_ | at least make a post on tmo, something "not a problem, libs missing, wait next cssu for them" | 23:11 |
| arcean_ | freemangordon_: sure | 23:14 |
| freemangordon_ | thanks | 23:14 |
| arcean_ | np, my bad | 23:14 |
| freemangordon_ | :-) | 23:14 |
| arcean_ | but then again we need a new update | 23:15 |
| arcean_ | simply too many changes :) | 23:15 |
| freemangordon_ | cssu | 23:15 |
| arcean_ | yes | 23:15 |
| freemangordon_ | did you look at today's logs? | 23:16 |
| freemangordon_ | worth reading ;-) | 23:16 |
| arcean_ | irc or git? | 23:16 |
| arcean_ | ahh | 23:16 |
| freemangordon_ | irc | 23:16 |
| freemangordon_ | here | 23:16 |
| arcean_ | indeed, interesting conversations | 23:18 |
| arcean_ | so what we need is to test Qt Mobility & solve problem with QtQuickCompat | 23:18 |
| freemangordon_ | yep | 23:19 |
| MohammadAG | latter may be solvable with a dumb metapackage | 23:19 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, what deadline shall we put on that | 23:20 |
| MohammadAG | 3rd of September | 23:21 |
| freemangordon_ | saturday? | 23:21 |
| MohammadAG | 3/9 00:00 should be a freeze of new code, 20:00 would be the new update | 23:21 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, lets all focus on that in parallel | 23:22 |
| freemangordon_ | arcean : you could use cutetube to test | 23:22 |
| arcean_ | ok | 23:22 |
| freemangordon_ | and jspeed | 23:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | anyway please take care to ship proper comprehensive blacklist with update! | 23:23 |
| freemangordon_ | sure | 23:23 |
| freemangordon_ | what is missing in example is Calendar | 23:24 |
| freemangordon_ | AFAIK | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | my example? | 23:24 |
| DocScrutinizer | I used header [maemo calendar] for a reason, as the actual link key should be inside the set under the header, like WindowCaption=Calendar | 23:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | or binary-path=/usr/bin/osso-calendar or whatever | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | probably even should allow wildcards | 23:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | and combine AND when multiple link keys are given, like binary=/bin/acme-app caption=settings this will apply only to the settings screen of acme-app | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | s/combine/boolean/ | 23:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, missed the context | 23:29 |
| freemangordon_ | MohammadAG : ping | 23:49 |
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| freemangordon_ | DocScrutinizer : did you follow this thread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=73896 | 23:53 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope | 23:53 |
| freemangordon_ | damn | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | freemangordon_, pong | 23:54 |
| DocScrutinizer | EEEEW yes, until I hit alt-F4 with a hammer | 23:54 |
| freemangordon_ | i have a concpiracy theory, not sure if I am paranoid | 23:54 |
| freemangordon_ | mag how did you get your n950 | 23:54 |
| merlin1991 | he threatened to bomb nokia israel | 23:55 |
| freemangordon_ | :-D | 23:55 |
| freemangordon_ | no, seriously | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | DDP | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | the first dev programm they had on meego.com | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | like all of us | 23:55 |
| freemangordon_ | ok, thanks | 23:55 |
| merlin1991 | DocScrutinizer: excluding me | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | as all the other 299 got it | 23:55 |
| DocScrutinizer | nah like all the other 249 got it | 23:56 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 23:56 |
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| DocScrutinizer | speedevil was quite a different case | 23:56 |
| fw190 | hello | 23:56 |
| freemangordon_ | hi | 23:57 |
| fw190 | don't want to interrupt the conversation | 23:57 |
| merlin1991 | hey | 23:57 |
| fw190 | just want to say thank you for all the usefull information | 23:57 |
| fw190 | everything is celar for me now. Thanks again | 23:57 |
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| freemangordon_ | :-D | 23:58 |
| * merlin1991 just wondered what bots are in here, and what does povbot do? | 23:58 | |
| freemangordon_ | try that sitting in a bar instead of drinking and playing babyfoot | 23:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | povbot is a chanlog bot and a #1 bug report bot | 23:58 |
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| freemangordon_ | whatever* | 23:59 |
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