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MohammadAGmr_jrt, fix your connection :p13:31
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merlin1991holy sh!t join/part spam deluxe16:26
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BCMMheh, that's definitely an internet connection worth assigning a domain name to...16:53
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BCMMnokia just sent me a new n900, with an actual USB port on it and everything. it's at pr1.3. do i need to enable CSSU before i reinstall applications using the backup app?17:34
BCMM(i was on CSSU before)17:34
BCMMsorry, i mean, will doing that re-enable CSSU?17:34
* merlin1991 wonders how the backup app stores the applist17:35
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merlin1991BCMM I'll investigate a lil, maybe I can give you an answer in a few mins17:35
BCMMmerlin1991: have a look at it, it's funny!17:35
merlin1991I guess you did a full backup?17:36
BCMMyeah17:36
BCMMseriously, the package backup is hilarious17:37
MohammadAGwell, none of the CSSU packages are in user/, so I doubt they went into the backup17:37
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merlin1991MohammadAG: I'm going to check that now17:37
BCMMMohammadAG: i mean the package list backup17:37
merlin1991doing a full backup and will investigate files17:37
BCMMit's a .zip. inside the zip is Root/var/lib/hildon-application-manager/packages.backup. in that file, is the most pointless use of XML i've seen so far17:37
MohammadAGmerlin1991, it only backs up a list of packages in user/17:38
MohammadAGpossibly with maemo-list-user-packages17:38
merlin1991MohammadAG: better safe than sorry ;)17:38
BCMMit starts with <backup>, then every line before </backup> is formatted like this: <pkg>openssh</pkg>17:38
BCMMmerlin1991: user the app catagory?17:38
BCMMMohammadAG: mishighlight ^17:38
MohammadAGyes, user/*17:39
MohammadAGuser/network, mutlimedia, hidden etc17:39
BCMMah, so it will reinstall my "apps", but not my real GNU /bin/top and so on?17:40
BCMMthanks17:40
merlin1991BCMM: it will readd the cssu repo17:40
merlin1991dunno how much damage that can cause17:41
MohammadAGyes, unless coreutils-gnu is in user/17:41
MohammadAGin the end it will redownload all packages17:41
merlin1991community--ssu-enabler is in the backuplist17:41
merlin1991and the mp-fremantle-community-prc17:41
merlin1991*pr*17:42
MohammadAGgood point, those are in user/17:42
MohammadAGhe could just untick them though17:43
merlin1991BCMM if you want to stay away from cssu this time I'll suggest you play in the backup17:43
MohammadAGor they'd be disabled if the repo is unavailable17:43
merlin1991disable the cssu repo17:43
merlin1991and then install the apps17:43
merlin1991MohammadAG: repo is backed up and added too17:43
MohammadAGrestoring a backup restores all repos merlin199117:43
MohammadAG:D17:43
merlin1991that's why I said play in backup17:43
MohammadAGjust untick both mp-fremantle-community-pr and community-ssu-enabler17:43
merlin1991disable repo17:43
merlin1991then use the ham  option to install apps17:44
BCMMMohammadAG: procps, not coreutils17:44
merlin1991or just install cssu anyway ;)17:44
MohammadAGmerlin1991, extra steps :p17:44
BCMMhang on, any reason not to just enable CSSU first?17:44
MohammadAGnope17:45
merlin1991nope none at all17:45
MohammadAGunless you hate us :p17:45
merlin1991BCMM: replace that us with Mohammad, everyone knows Mohammad is the evil part of the cssu team ;)17:46
MohammadAGmerlin1991, you're getting your paycheck cut again17:46
MohammadAGwatch it17:46
BCMMtalking of evil, i'm nervous about apt-get on maemo now. is apt-get remove any worse than removing stuff in HAM?17:46
merlin1991nope17:47
BCMMcause i need to lose a bunch of preloaded rubbish now17:47
BCMMcool17:47
merlin1991the only thing you never ever should do is17:47
BCMMoh, pretty icon on hte enabler now17:47
merlin1991apt-get autoremove17:47
MohammadAGremind me to upgrade apt in the next CSSU17:47
BCMMMohammadAG: why/17:47
MohammadAGtry apt-get install bounce17:47
MohammadAGYou'll get E: Handler silently failed17:48
BCMMwhat's bounce anyway?17:48
MohammadAGthe game17:48
MohammadAGanything in the ovi store would fail17:48
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BCMMoh, the one with the preloaded demo...17:56
BCMMno, wasn't preloaded, was just the highest-rated free thing on ovi when i got the n900 or something17:56
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merlin1991the first things I get rid of after a reflash are the various "installer" apps17:57
JaffaSc0rpius: BTW, Stskeeps says he's getting modest crashes since CSSU. Might be worth tapping up his l33t debug skills :-)17:58
MohammadAGI wish I could get those18:03
MohammadAGJaffa, does he know about #maemo-ssu?18:04
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JaffaMohammadAG: He does, but also said "can't I be a dumb consumer for once?" ;-)18:12
myuudid you guys do something with the email?18:15
myuuim actually getting mail wtf18:16
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myuui havent read the entire changelog because I updated a day ago18:16
MohammadAGSc0rpius, how do I start modest with gdb?18:19
MohammadAGmyuu, no, not in the last update18:19
myuuwell I started CSSU as a whole I mean lol18:20
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myuuits quite good by the way. i havent used my phone this much since ive bought it18:20
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Sc0rpiusin the device or in scratchbox?18:48
MohammadAGSc0rpius, device18:49
Sc0rpiusyou have a coredump?18:49
MohammadAGno18:49
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MohammadAGbut I want to run it with gdb18:49
MohammadAGso whenever it crashes, I could have a backtrace18:50
Sc0rpiuswell I always use: gdb /usr/bin/maemo-launcher coredump18:51
Sc0rpiusbut to start it hmmm I guess it should be:18:51
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Sc0rpiusI guess something like gdb --args /usr/bin/maemo-invoker /usr/bin/modest.launch18:53
Sc0rpiusI have never tried that18:53
MohammadAGSc0rpius, and it should detect debugging symbols on its own?18:54
Sc0rpiusyes, usually18:55
MohammadAGSc0rpius, what about the -s argument?18:56
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Sc0rpiusI have never used that, though if I have some sources (like tinymail) around I use the --directory so it can find them18:57
MohammadAGSc0rpius, no, I meant modest -s to launch the UI18:57
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Sc0rpiusahh19:01
Sc0rpiusthe -s is to show the display.  Without it, modest will be running in background and you usually run it.  If you want to keep the GUI open you can throw it there19:02
fatphil1st 'pew' heard, after 27 hours idle (this time pmtrackerd was not running). I'll stick it on a jig and grab some powertop logs...19:05
MohammadAGpew?19:06
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fatphilthe pitiful 'I'm going flat' sound19:08
MohammadAGoh lol19:09
MohammadAGI don't have that anymore, rewriting the status area applet for the battery and never worked on sounds19:10
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merlin1991MohammadAG: we need that sound in the rewrite, most awesome sound on the phone19:29
MohammadAGmerlin1991, xD19:30
fatphilI think it's one of the best features of the device. It's such a pitiful sound.19:30
MohammadAGI wonder if the sound stutters on purpose19:32
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merlin1991phone sounds so sad when playin the sound :)19:38
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fatphilStuttering sound would tend to get quite high priority in our internal bugzilla. Nokia's in theory very concerned about the audio part of the user experience.19:44
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MohammadAGfatphil, it has always stuttered, since PR1.019:49
MohammadAGthough I guess it adds more dramatic effect :p19:49
merlin1991tbh I never thought it stutters19:49
merlin1991MohammadAG: know the file ?19:50
merlin1991so I can compare :D19:50
MohammadAGmerlin1991, play it from /usr/share/sounds19:50
merlin1991yea but wich one? :D19:50
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MohammadAG/usr/share/sounds/ui-recharge_battery.wav19:50
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merlin1991woha20:05
merlin1991there's more to that sound than I ever hear from the phone20:05
merlin1991I always only hear the first pew20:05
merlin1991but not the other stuff in the wav20:06
merlin1991especially not the 3 beeps in the end20:06
MohammadAGmerlin1991, I hear them as 9 beeps20:07
MohammadAGwhich is why I say it stutters20:08
merlin1991I only hear the first sound and the echo of it20:08
merlin1991but never get the 3 high beeps20:08
MohammadAGweird20:10
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fatphilI've not played the whole sound but it might be that low battery only plays the first fraction of it, and "fuck you, I'm switching off" plays the whole thing22:22
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fatphil /kick mr_jrt get a proper internet connection ?22:23
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MohammadAGDocScrutinizer, how do I add a divert to someone?23:22
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DocScrutinizer51IRC chan divert?23:23
DocScrutinizer51ban23:23
MohammadAGhe can't see a reason that way...23:24
MohammadAGisn't there a way to direct to something like #maemo-fix-your-connection?23:24
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DocScrutinizer51not per user afaik23:25
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