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| peetah | [C | 13:31 |
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| peetah | oops sorry | 13:31 |
| lardman | anyone home on the cssu front? | 13:34 |
| merlin1991 | lardman: how do you mean that? | 13:34 |
| lardman | anyone who is involved with it | 13:35 |
| lardman | I guess a fair few people are away in SF | 13:35 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG: is not in sf | 13:36 |
| merlin1991 | and I'm not :) | 13:36 |
| lardman | well that's fine then | 13:36 |
| lardman | DocScrutinizer was talking about organisation being needed? | 13:36 |
| lardman | I was wondering if there is a plan for which parts are being replaced/updated/etc? | 13:36 |
| merlin1991 | Nope | 13:37 |
| lardman | of the image that is | 13:37 |
| merlin1991 | atm it's more of a what comes and seems stable goes into cssu | 13:37 |
| MohammadAG | (Qt was a fsckup) | 13:37 |
| lardman | I'm still on the fence, if new hw comes out I will develop for that, and I've been waiting for a long while (all the time the N900 gets older) | 13:39 |
| lardman | but it does seem to me that meego is not a viable prospect in the short term | 13:39 |
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| Damnshock | lardman: what does it have to do with cssu? | 13:42 |
| lardman | basically what to do with my time | 13:42 |
| merlin1991 | You could propose a way how to review patches / cssu versions to be deemed as stable | 13:43 |
| lardman | well I guess a private repo for beta testing | 13:47 |
| lardman | what would be interesting for me though is to know who is working on what | 13:47 |
| lardman | and indeed that would probably be interesting for other would be contributors too | 13:48 |
| * merlin1991 is the docs guy so I work on the wiki :P | 13:48 | |
| lardman | for example, is anyone working on the calendar? | 13:49 |
| lardman | that thing drives me mad, perhaps I should just pull my finger out and do something about it? ;) | 13:50 |
| merlin1991 | Calendar is closed source | 13:50 |
| lardman | backend isn't though, so writing a new ui | 13:50 |
| merlin1991 | Afaik noone works on it | 13:50 |
| lardman | Would the CSSU be willing to replace the Nokia Calendar? I imagine so | 13:51 |
| merlin1991 | and I think everybody would be happy about an improved ui | 13:51 |
| lardman | Just a shame we didn't know nothing would get fixed when we first got the devices, rather than now that they are old and possibly going to be replaced with something shinier | 13:51 |
| merlin1991 | Lardman the requirements for cssu are kinda like this: doesn't belong to extras && improves existing component && no regressions | 13:52 |
| lardman | ok | 13:52 |
| merlin1991 | So if you can provide a new calendar ui that is better and has no regressions I'm pretty sure it will make it's way into cssu | 13:53 |
| lardman | yep | 13:54 |
| lardman | it's just whether it's worth investing the time | 13:54 |
| merlin1991 | And yep it drives me made too | 13:54 |
| lardman | but that's for me to decide | 13:54 |
| * merlin1991 needs a full battery recharg out of thin air, crap | 13:56 | |
| lardman | decisions, decisions | 14:01 |
| lardman | and now confused by the fact that Samsung have finally released a later kernel version for the Tab | 14:01 |
| lardman | so Meego touchscreen might finally work without lots of porting effort | 14:01 |
| Damnshock | lardman: backend isn't closed source? you mean just the UI is closed source? | 14:02 |
| lardman | yes | 14:02 |
| lardman | afaicr anyway | 14:03 |
| Damnshock | mmm that souns interesting | 14:05 |
| Damnshock | i wish I had more time | 14:05 |
| Damnshock | maybe in the summer | 14:06 |
| lardman | that's my problem too, need to prioritise | 14:07 |
| lardman | and I really don't want to waste time if the platform will soon be replaced | 14:07 |
| Damnshock | hahahhaa | 14:07 |
| lardman | but soon has been on the horizon for a year or more | 14:07 |
| Damnshock | well, I would do just for the fun of learning | 14:07 |
| Damnshock | the thing is that I find kind of complicated to start developing for the device | 14:08 |
| lardman | I have no interest in calendars per-se, though I use them every day and would like the functionality to be better | 14:08 |
| Damnshock | gotta go to have lunch | 14:09 |
| lardman | enjoy | 14:09 |
| * chainsawbike gave up on using the calendar ui for most changes - i kinda just edit the db now... | 14:09 | |
| lardman | :) | 14:10 |
| chainsawbike | i would be interested in helping improve it :) | 14:10 |
| M4rtinK | so write it platform independent - so it can be also used on future Meego devices :) | 14:10 |
| M4rtinK | should be doable IMO, if you limit Hildon dependencies | 14:13 |
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| lardman | yes, that is a reasonable suggestion M4rtinK | 14:22 |
| MohammadAG | well, that depends on whether or not the engine can run on MeeGo | 14:23 |
| MohammadAG | might as well do it in Qt... | 14:23 |
| lardman | absolutely in Qt | 14:24 |
| lardman | well abstracting the ui and backend is a requirement too | 14:24 |
| lardman | so it should be easy enough to plumb into whatever is finally decided on | 14:25 |
| lardman | in theory ;) | 14:25 |
| lardman | merlin1991: is there a location in the wiki where we could brainstorm some ideas? | 14:28 |
| lardman | might as well have somewhere we can refer to | 14:29 |
| merlin1991 | Afiak not | 14:29 |
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| MohammadAG | lardman, you're free to make one of course | 14:33 |
| lardman | could you recommend a path to use? | 14:33 |
| lardman | e.g. http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/development/calendar or something like that? | 14:36 |
| merlin1991 | Lardman that path sounds fine | 14:45 |
| lardman | ok, give me a few minutes and I'll get the ball rolling | 14:46 |
| lardman | http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Development/Calendar | 14:55 |
| lardman | ok I've started | 14:55 |
| lardman | feel free to add, etc | 15:07 |
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| DocScrutinizer | lardman: \o/ | 16:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: indeed we have no review process in cssu, no plan, nobody caring about building/keeping/maintaining stable snapshots, no schedule, no meetings, not very many devels as usual (so kudos to all that do *something* but obviously we'd need way more manpower) | 16:42 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: I.E. it's kinda anarchy right now | 16:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | with MohammadAG obviously doing all the heavy lifting | 16:44 |
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| lardman | re | 17:43 |
| lardman | hey docscrutinizer I wasn't knocking it, just asking | 17:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | lardman: And I'm just asking for help, though not that obviously :-) | 18:00 |
| lardman | no that's fine, just didn't want to come in stamping on people's toes | 18:01 |
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| Damnshock | DocScrutinizer: I'd be happy to help | 19:14 |
| Damnshock | the thing is that we do not have many developers | 19:15 |
| lardman | for the reason I outlined above I would guess, worried about wasting time on a dead platform | 19:19 |
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| lardman | but if we ensure that work can be used on Meego too, then we have more options, hopefully | 19:20 |
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| Damnshock | even if the platform was dead | 19:40 |
| Damnshock | I would help if I could | 19:40 |
| Damnshock | I do not my n900 to die | 19:40 |
| Damnshock | it's the best phone I've ever had | 19:40 |
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| DocScrutinizer | we need some sort of "foundation conference" to set up missing bits, I guess. Like a master plan about what cssu is actually meant to be, how to accomplish that, what tasks involved etc. Then assign those tasks to "devels" who are willing to take care | 19:56 |
| Damnshock | that's a lot of responsability though | 20:00 |
| Damnshock | the thing is that I would like some of the devs to help me through the process of setting up a developing environment | 20:00 |
| Damnshock | then I might be able to help | 20:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | regarding the "dead system" argument tis has always been my take on that: meego been announced as kinda "upwards compatible to maemo" in a code once use both way (buzzwords Qt, recompile-and-run). So my suggestion been Nokia e.g writes his new Ovi-maps routing etc on maemo first, then migrate it to meego, rather than developing on meego natively. This would bring both to maemo: improvements/new apps, and constant evaluation of the | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | migration process and "maemo vs meego" docs | 20:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | for CSSU I'm all for evaluating how any particular bit of sw can get reused on meego and then keep the porting to meego in mind from first minute, while doing architecture and design | 20:04 |
| DocScrutinizer | Damnshock: I'm sure you can get help with setting up a devel environment either here or on #maemo - there are "lots" of devels that can help you jump the hoops | 20:06 |
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| Damnshock | DocScrutinizer: I'll try that | 20:10 |
| Damnshock | ufff my boss just told me I'll have to work this weekend... :S | 20:10 |
| Damnshock | just great xD | 20:11 |
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| lardman | docscrutinizer: agree on the sales pitch, that stuff developed for CSSU can be re-used on a future platform if written the right way | 22:00 |
| lardman | Damnshock: re setup, what's the issue? | 22:00 |
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| lardman | night chaps | 23:31 |
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