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| thp | MohammadAG: (still about that screenshot taking thingie) ideally, we would have a "maemo library" for Qt similar to what we have done in hildon-extras | 11:25 |
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| thp | i.e. a collection of community code snippets, widgets, etc.. | 11:25 |
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| mece | Ok, I thought some more about the update icon cache problem, and I think the simplest and most obvious solution is to simply add "touch /usr/share/icons" to the (now empty) /urs/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache script. That way the original method of adding that command to postinst once again works as advertised. | 12:27 |
| Jaffa | mece: Except people have been told to not put it in. | 12:32 |
| Jaffa | mece: A dpkg trigger for the various sub-directories which does that would seem simplest. | 12:33 |
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| mece | Jaffa, well I made a bug about it.. https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12144 | 12:37 |
| povbot` | Bug 12144: Make gtk-update-icon-cache work as advertised | 12:37 |
| mece | feel free to rename. I'm just noticing that many apps still have gtk-update-icon-cache | 12:37 |
| mece | Jaffa, I have no idea how to make a dpkg trigger. | 12:38 |
| Jaffa | mece: Catorise does it | 12:38 |
| Jaffa | Lots still do, but reintroducing a dependency on something which the docs say is now optional is a bad idea IMHO | 12:38 |
| mece | Jaffa, well actually it should not be dependent on the package. It should just automatically do it after an installation... | 12:50 |
| mece | imo | 12:51 |
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| mece | Jaffa, anyway, I modified my gtk-update-icon-cache while a proper solution is included in cssu :) | 12:58 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't this actually be some ionotify event on /usr/share/icons that h-d listens to? | 13:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | inotify | 13:43 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I guess there could be a sequence problem, when the .desktop file gets written and triggers the inotify h-d cache update at a point in time where the icon file isn't yet installed | 13:54 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'm looking into portrait orientation lock | 14:13 |
| MohammadAG | seems like a simple change... | 14:17 |
| merlin1991 | yay | 14:20 |
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| DocScrutinizer | I already wondered how that new orientatio lock button in the menu is supposed to lock to portrait :-D | 14:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | btw I feel like cssu should provide two flavours: conservative and progressive. The former strictly limited to only provide bugfixes and definitely neutral (neuterable) improvements like mhd, while the latter may contain such things like system wide portrait support, opensource replacements of blobs like mediaplayer etc | 14:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | this of course implies the conservative flavour to be considered 'stable', while progressive obviously is rather testing or even devel | 14:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | I'm using cssu on my daily phone, so I'd like to have that conservative distro on there. | 14:29 |
| merlin1991 | I'm using cssu on my daily phone too, and so far it didn't introduce any problems | 14:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 14:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | we were lucky so far | 14:30 |
| merlin1991 | also | 14:30 |
| merlin1991 | If you check the wiki, you'll see that there is a "stable" branch meant to get alive at some point | 14:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | yet it 'messed up' a menu at least, by introducing that new orientation lock button. Not everybody is interested in this sort of new features | 14:31 |
| merlin1991 | it's an community effort no everybody has to use it :D | 14:32 |
| thp | MohammadAG: can we get Portrait mode lock in the orientation lock applet when the desktop supports it? | 14:32 |
| merlin1991 | thp: wouldn't that sill leave landscape only apps? | 14:33 |
| thp | merlin1991: that's what you have with forced rotation, anyway | 14:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | we need a distro flavour that keeps ONE HUNDRED percent compatibility with stock maemo, even to the point of keeping bugs 'functional' (e.g. if some format is completely borked but some apps might rely on that borked format) | 14:34 |
| thp | also, the policy could be 'always portrait if the app supports portrait' | 14:34 |
| merlin1991 | I have forced rotation disabled :D | 14:34 |
| thp | merlin1991: well then for you, 'locked portrait' would prevent landscape for apps that support portrait and use landscape for the rest | 14:36 |
| thp | and with forced rotation enabled, it would force everything into portrait | 14:36 |
| merlin1991 | if it works that way, that would be perfect | 14:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | what became of the planned per-app config for portrait mode? | 14:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | aka black/whitelist | 14:37 |
| merlin1991 | that was meant to be for the forced feature | 14:38 |
| merlin1991 | not for the orientation lock | 14:38 |
| thp | DocScrutinizer: that's still planned, just nobody has gotten around to implement it yet | 14:38 |
| merlin1991 | and as I see it they are not mutually exclusive | 14:38 |
| DocScrutinizer | maemo stock has no API to tell if an app is maybe segfaulting in portrait. So we need some management that knows about which app supports portrait only, which supports both, and which supports landscape only | 14:40 |
| MohammadAG | nice, segfault in h-d | 14:40 |
| DocScrutinizer | best way to implement that is in .desktop: X-CSSU-portrait-support=landscape|both|portrait | 14:41 |
| merlin1991 | don't apps set some flag that tells if they support portrait, and forced rotation just overwrites that always? | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | no, that's the worst way to implement it DocScrutinizer | 14:42 |
| MohammadAG | that would need updates to ALL .desktop files | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | ooh, why? | 14:43 |
| MohammadAG | we'd need to use sed a lot in the .desktop files, since overwriting isn't possible with dpkg | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | nope, not really | 14:43 |
| DocScrutinizer | missing key defaults to X-CSSU-portrait-support=landscape | 14:44 |
| DocScrutinizer | and of course we need a second level with a config file that has the user settings for apps. I don't recommend to store user settings for a particular app in the .desktop file | 14:45 |
| DocScrutinizer | on start of an app, the .desktop file is scanned for the X-CSSU-portrait-support= key, and that value is used to populate the user settings list, if there's no setting for that app yet | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | portrait lock works but not too well | 14:47 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, there's a perfectly good flag for portrait mode support | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ohh | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | and one to prevent it | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | the lack of it = landscape | 14:48 |
| MohammadAG | we need to change the last part | 14:48 |
| DocScrutinizer | ok, me has to care about a job offer. bbl | 14:49 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: For features like the orientation lock menu, the answer - rather than two flavours - is additions to the Display control panel applet | 14:57 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: [ ] Show orientation lock, [ ] Enable auto-portrait in core applications | 14:57 |
| DocScrutinizer | sure | 14:58 |
| RST38h | New app bug with the latest CSSU by the way | 14:58 |
| * Jaffa reads some scrollback. There's some back of a fag packet design going on there which feels a bit... sub-optimal. | 14:58 | |
| RST38h | The Qthello now shows notifications in wrong colors (try losing a game) | 14:58 |
| DocScrutinizer | of course it's preferable to have a clean conservative distro that allows to enable additional features | 14:59 |
| RST38h | + anyone noticed how arbitrary HAM changes portrait/landscape now? Otr is it doing it for me only? | 14:59 |
| Jaffa | Orientation lock for portrait shouldn't do any forcing unless forcerotation is true | 14:59 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Are you still trying to do orientation lock in h-d? | 15:00 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: see RST38h supporting all my concerns with his last 3 posts | 15:01 |
| DocScrutinizer | basically I want to see CSSU resulting in a maemo version with LESS bugs, *not* with NEW bugs | 15:03 |
| DocScrutinizer | in that sense not even patches supplied by Nokia are to be considered safe a priori. *Each* patch to the conservative branch of CSSU has to get evaluated and tested, and accepted by a obviously yet to define board | 15:06 |
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| DocScrutinizer | see the USB-keeps-CPU-busy Nokia "patch" to PR1.3 | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | or the cherry 'patch' | 15:07 |
| DocScrutinizer | both were cases where the best thing you can do is to kick out the newly introduced crap from Nokia | 15:08 |
| RST38h | Doc <-- is a bit extreme | 15:08 |
| DocScrutinizer | patches introduced by community are not a priori any better | 15:09 |
| RST38h | BUT, having said that, I would also like some latest additions to CSSU to be gone | 15:09 |
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| RST38h | For example, I hope you disable HAM portrait mode, it behaves a bit erratically | 15:09 |
| RST38h | And someone may want to fix task switcher to show horizontal previews for applications that remain in landscape mode | 15:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | RST38h: I learned to be extreme, while I mentored on 2 or 3 distros for consumer products - i.e. OM2009 and SHR | 15:10 |
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| DocScrutinizer | SHR basically is going haywire by all the time introducing new "better" concepts faster than consolidating them, so we got a less usable distro now after >12 months than we had before | 15:12 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Yes, which is why you're using the testing branch so we can find these bugs. | 15:13 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: It seems that Qt 4.7.2 has a lot of regressions | 15:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | and that's what I'm not intending to do - use e.g. Qt4.7.2 on my productive device | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: All the new apps getting rotation (even forced ones when we do the whitelist for auto-force) should have a configuration option, just like the other apps do. | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | Two options: easy one, add a global one (eugh); OR do it properly. | 15:14 |
| Jaffa | The latter is more work, and for the closed source apps would be under the Display applet in control panel. | 15:15 |
| Jaffa | Patches welcome, I guess. | 15:15 |
| MohammadAG | Are you sure it's Qt 4.7.2 and not the theming engine? | 15:15 |
| RST38h | Jaffa: Yea, but I suspect HAM was never supposed to have rotation | 15:16 |
| DocScrutinizer | bottom line: we need a CSSU-stable NOW! otherwise cssu will vanish in oblivion together with maemo | 15:16 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: "Never supposed"? | 15:16 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Despite me asking multiple times, no-one (well volunteered?) has come up with an approach for going from testing to stable. | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Which of the bugs (http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs) is acceptable to ship? | 15:17 |
| Jaffa | RST38h: The rotation should be happening the same way, and detected the same way, as any other app | 15:17 |
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| MohammadAG | umm, what's with bug 12063 and 12088 | 15:20 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12063 Unable to charge | 15:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: sorry, I don't get your question | 15:21 |
| DocScrutinizer | unable to charge is BS | 15:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | cssu never changed anything with charging afaik | 15:22 |
| * MohammadAG cleans up BS bugs | 15:24 | |
| DocScrutinizer | PK had that bq27200 drivers that are known to break bme when loaded | 15:25 |
| MohammadAG | what about bug 12088 ? | 15:26 |
| povbot` | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12088 keypad text input disabled, volume slides down to mute automatically | 15:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | mpff | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | I don't see a reason that would happen | 15:26 |
| MohammadAG | again seems like a HW problem | 15:26 |
| the_lord | Hi, is there a known bug with the latest cssu of the camera not working? | 15:27 |
| the_lord | the new camera-ui segfaults | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | WTF. bug invalid due to quoting abuse | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | hw defect | 15:28 |
| DocScrutinizer | CANNOT-DUPLICATE, INVALID | 15:28 |
| MohammadAG | the_lord, what does /usr/bin/camera-ui output? | 15:29 |
| MohammadAG | (run it from terminal) | 15:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | the volume key is a 'normal kbd matrix' key. if it is stuck, it will result in exactly that begaviour | 15:29 |
| the_lord | init: 0x41253330 | 15:30 |
| the_lord | then, after a while, Segmentation Fault | 15:30 |
| the_lord | kboom! | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | nothing else? | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | fcam driver not matching? | 15:30 |
| the_lord | ehhh | 15:30 |
| the_lord | nope | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't matter, it uses the same API as the stock camera | 15:30 |
| DocScrutinizer | meh, RL calling o/ | 15:30 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder where HD decides orientation changed | 15:32 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG, any ideas? | 15:33 |
| MohammadAG | nope, I'd try running it through gdb but I doubt it has debugging symbols | 15:38 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG, camera-ui does nothing until I open the camera lid, then segfaults | 15:43 |
| Lava_Croft | anything else installed related to camera/shutter? | 15:44 |
| the_lord | mmm, shortcutd, flashlight, fcamera, panorama... | 15:46 |
| Lava_Croft | juggle with em? :< | 15:47 |
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| the_lord | could fcam-drivers be the culprit? | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | i use fcam drivers too, it works fine here | 15:59 |
| the_lord | :( | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont use fcamera, panorame and shortcutd tho | 15:59 |
| Lava_Croft | panorama probably has nothing to do with it | 16:00 |
| the_lord | I don't see why those apps would tamper camera-ui | 16:00 |
| the_lord | they are not running | 16:00 |
| Lava_Croft | shortcutd is always running | 16:00 |
| Lava_Croft | or else its a weirdo daemon | 16:00 |
| Lava_Croft | but i dont know about it at all, so little help from me there | 16:00 |
| the_lord | yes, but shorcutd doesn't mess with camera-ui | 16:01 |
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| MohammadAG | the_lord, run this through gdb http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/camera-ui | 16:08 |
| the_lord | do I replace /usr/bin/camera-ui ? | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | wouldn't hurt I guess | 16:09 |
| MohammadAG | gdb /usr/bin/camera-ui | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | run with r | 16:10 |
| DocScrutinizer | shortcutd of course interferes with camera trigger button afaik | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | then pastebin the backtrace with bt | 16:10 |
| MohammadAG | camera button is a GPIO switch | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | yes | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what? | 16:11 |
| MohammadAG | interference (as in locking the button to an app) can't happen | 16:11 |
| DocScrutinizer | shortcutd is supposed to keep camera-ui from popping up on press of that button, no? | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | nope | 16:12 |
| the_lord | DocScrutinizer, I'm not pressing a button, I'm calling camera-ui on shell | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | :shrug: | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | shortcutd allows you to use the focus button to do functions | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | not the full press button | 16:12 |
| DocScrutinizer | so what, again? | 16:12 |
| MohammadAG | it's irrelevant to the segfaults | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | isn't that as well by default assigned to camera-ui? | 16:13 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG, it segfaults in gnome_vfs_get_volume_free_space | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | lol | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | pastebin all the backtrace? | 16:14 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 16:14 |
| * DocScrutinizer wonders why he has seen mentioned gnome_vfs_get_volume_free_space several times last few days | 16:15 | |
| * DocScrutinizer notices it's a word on his g* blacklist as well | 16:16 | |
| MohammadAG | the_lord, what's the output of gconftool-2 -g /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device | 16:16 |
| the_lord | http://pastebin.com/ruqSRCxf | 16:16 |
| the_lord | 1 | 16:16 |
| the_lord | I think I know where are you going | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -s /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device-t int 0 | 16:17 |
| MohammadAG | try and see if it segfaults there | 16:17 |
| the_lord | Must specify a type when setting a value | 16:18 |
| DocScrutinizer | he missed a space in front of -t | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | gconftool-2 -s /apps/camera/settings/basic-settings/storage-device -t int 0 | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | sorry, space | 16:18 |
| MohammadAG | no check for == NULL, explains the segfaults... | 16:19 |
| the_lord | perfect | 16:19 |
| the_lord | yes, that's a semi-fail | 16:19 |
| the_lord | for some reason my camera was set to the external mmc i suppouse | 16:19 |
| the_lord | then I installed meego, then upgraded maemo, then tried to open camera, then segfault | 16:20 |
| the_lord | thanks | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | so it works now? | 16:20 |
| the_lord | There's no need to file a bug? | 16:20 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG, yes, perfectly | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | guess not, already fixed it by checking for NULL | 16:20 |
| MohammadAG | you can try the binary | 16:21 |
| the_lord | thanks for the camera-ui with debugging symbols | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | yw | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | you might want to strip the symbols or reinstall the stock camera-ui | 16:21 |
| MohammadAG | saves 200kbs on / | 16:21 |
| the_lord | I never replaced /usr/bin/camera-ui :) | 16:21 |
| the_lord | ran it from /home/user | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 16:22 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG, I think you should include -dev versions of the new packages | 16:22 |
| MohammadAG | I already do, why? | 16:22 |
| the_lord | it makes debugging pretty easy | 16:23 |
| MohammadAG | you mean -dbg | 16:23 |
| the_lord | sorry, I mean debug versions | 16:23 |
| the_lord | yes | 16:23 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: seems it's a good principle for coding to always expect and handle ALL arbitrary return codes fron any function call | 16:25 |
| DocScrutinizer | esp never expect any function call to succeed, not even close() | 16:26 |
| the_lord | DocScrutinizer, it is, or at least try to catch them all in a default behavior for unexpected returns | 16:26 |
| MohammadAG | I didn't code that :P | 16:26 |
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| DocScrutinizer | so what's that then? Has Nokia opened the camera-ui? | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I always thought it's been part of the closed Nokia user app bunch | 16:35 |
| DocScrutinizer | like calendar, contacts, dialer... | 16:35 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, nicolai rewrote it | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | aah, nicolai's rewrite | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | timer 15 returns 10s instead of 15, fixed | 16:37 |
| MohammadAG | I wonder what the best way to play a sound is | 16:37 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG, now my camera says memory not accessible, cannot save document | 17:24 |
| the_lord | or something like that, mine is in spanish | 17:24 |
| the_lord | MohammadAG, and in the memory use, it's set to Root Volume | 17:24 |
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| MohammadAG | the_lord, I'll look into it | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, the thread on tmo is getting out of hands, users are finding it hard to look for info etc | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | may I suggest closing it and starting a new one, where we can edit page 1? | 19:04 |
| MohammadAG | that way new comers can read post #1 which would include links to the wiki, instead of rants :P | 19:05 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: seems sensible. | 19:05 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I changed the structure of http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Features hopefully it's a bit more readable now | 19:21 |
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| Lava_Croft | menu editor = menu editor in app launcher? | 19:39 |
| merlin1991 | yes | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | i never use the app launcher, but that editor is annoying! | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | great feature | 19:40 |
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| rantom | Odd | 19:51 |
| rantom | I modified the hildon-status-menu to have 10 rows, nothing happened | 19:51 |
| rantom | I'm stuck to 6 | 19:52 |
| Lava_Croft | scroll it? | 19:52 |
| rantom | Yes, I did | 19:52 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Looks better | 19:52 |
| rantom | Maybe I should've started with this : I tried to get the limited bigger, alas rows from 1-8 would be visible without scrolling | 19:53 |
| rantom | And that was for portrait | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | rantom, rotate it | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | changes aren't done when the value's changed, fixing that, sort of | 19:55 |
| rantom | MohammadAG: Nope, still stuck to 6 | 19:56 |
| rantom | Screenshot incoming | 19:56 |
| rantom | http://www.rantom.fi/maemo/5/cssu/statbar-001.png | 19:59 |
| rantom | MohammadAG: Scratch that, I got it working, thanks | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | :) | 20:06 |
| rantom | Btw | 20:08 |
| rantom | Any plans on revamping the status-menu for proper portrait, _if_ Hildon Desktop gets it? | 20:08 |
| rantom | I did some mockups (now deleted, unless restored with Time Machine) and came to conclusion, that with current status-menu at least operator wouldn't fit | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | hmm | 20:14 |
| MohammadAG | my operator's name is "orange" :P | 20:15 |
| rantom | Mine is "Saunalahti" | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | that should fit with the default font | 20:15 |
| rantom | Of course, here's an opportunity to mimic Android and use the operators logo, like they do in Sprint, afaik | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | how? | 20:16 |
| rantom | Yes, it does, but then there's not space for the editing-tool | 20:16 |
| rantom | 16x16 image, if I'm not mistaken | 20:16 |
| rantom | http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/04/kyocera-echo-top-main-screen.jpg | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | btw http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-status-menu/commit/90ce923e9b167460be50eac171d07f37be5f1983 | 20:17 |
| rantom | I think though, that that has been added afterwards to the code | 20:17 |
| MohammadAG | should've done that in the first implementation, but oh well | 20:18 |
| rantom | Ooh, Portrait | 20:18 |
| MohammadAG | hmm? | 20:18 |
| rantom | Nothing, just read the PORTRAIT word from the code :p | 20:19 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 20:20 |
| rantom | ...and I just realized, that revamping the status-menu to Symbian-like, which I was doing mockups from, was causing the issue, that the operator wouldn't fit | 20:20 |
| rantom | Had nothing to do with CSSU | 20:20 |
| * MohammadAG wants a drag down status menu | 20:20 | |
| rantom | I guess I'll have to go bang my head to the wall for a while now (or read tmo) -> | 20:21 |
| rantom | MohammadAG: You're not the only one | 20:21 |
| rantom | MeeGo has it, sluggish though | 20:21 |
| rantom | And forces rotation to landscape, wohoo :p | 20:21 |
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| MohammadAG | I think portrait orientation lock's working | 22:26 |
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