| njsf | ok. fair enough. is pt_PT l10n needed? | 00:00 |
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| Sc0rpius | if your modest pt_PT translation has some weird phrases then you're more than welcome to contribute :) | 00:00 |
| Sc0rpius | it's already there | 00:00 |
| njsf | ok I'll take a look | 00:00 |
| njsf | where can I find it ? | 00:00 |
| Sc0rpius | right now in http://gitorious.org/modest-l10n | 00:01 |
| njsf | I see a lot of them could me made shorter. verbosity in l10n pt_PT is often an issue | 00:02 |
| njsf | since it will lead either to truncated visual or abreviated mess | 00:03 |
| Sc0rpius | that happens in most languages but english | 00:03 |
| njsf | I probably should change the locale on my device to try it out | 00:03 |
| njsf | I keep it in en_US | 00:03 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah me too | 00:04 |
| Sc0rpius | but I speak spanish | 00:04 |
| MohammadAG | there's a way to change language of an app | 00:05 |
| Sc0rpius | :O | 00:05 |
| MohammadAG | LC_MESSAGES=en_US modest -s | 00:05 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah that would work | 00:06 |
| * Sc0rpius tests | 00:06 | |
| Sc0rpius | works indeed | 00:07 |
| merlin1991 | https://threatpost.com/en_us/blogs/hbgary-federal-ceo-aaron-barr-steps-down-022811 | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | I love the comments on it :D | 00:36 |
| merlin1991 | like: Emailing someone and saying "hey, what's the password again?" is a 'sophisticated' attack now? | 00:36 |
| Sc0rpius | I just realized all Nokia translations are terrible | 00:45 |
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| Sc0rpius | so... | 04:11 |
| Sc0rpius | beta testers for tree view mode? | 04:12 |
| Sc0rpius | anyonw? | 04:12 |
| Sc0rpius | anyone? | 04:12 |
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| SpacedOut | Sc0rpius: Sure, but I have the most boring e-mail you'll find. One imp4 with only an inbox. I'm working on the idle select support, but not making much progress right now. | 04:39 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 04:39 |
| Sc0rpius | I'll help you out with that eventually | 04:40 |
| Sc0rpius | I should send an email to the list | 04:40 |
| SpacedOut | Which lis? | 04:40 |
| SpacedOut | list. | 04:40 |
| Sc0rpius | maemo-developers | 04:41 |
| Sc0rpius | http://lists.maemo.org/mailman/listinfo/maemo-developers | 04:42 |
| Sc0rpius | give it a try, they send like 5 mails daily, it's not a hellish flood. | 04:42 |
| SpacedOut | I'm on the linux-kernel mailing list, procmail's my friend. Fast mail server, I'm signed up. | 04:45 |
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| SpacedOut | Sc0rpius: I'm confused by the image you posted. Gmail is listed as not expanded, Nokia Messaging is listed as expanded, having an Inbox under that one is understandable, but is naikel@gmail.com and Inbox coming through Nokia Messaging? | 05:00 |
| Sc0rpius | heh that means I added Gmail as standalone and under Nokia Messaging | 05:00 |
| Sc0rpius | that means: lack of accounts to test :/ | 05:00 |
| Sc0rpius | I added it twice on purpose | 05:00 |
| SpacedOut | If that's the hierarchy it works. I have dovecot setup on a Linux server so I could in theory create as many as I want, in practice I only have two setup. | 05:01 |
| Sc0rpius | look this one: http://ompldr.org/vN2s1Nw | 05:03 |
| Sc0rpius | no Gmail under Nokia Messaging, and portrait mode | 05:03 |
| SpacedOut | Not to nitpick, but it looks like the whole folder could have been spelled out in the ones that have ... replaced in them, much like a spreadsheet will spill over columns when the next column is empty. | 05:09 |
| Sc0rpius | well that's hildon for you, in portrait mode the only thing I can do is reduce the indentation between children and parents in the tree | 05:10 |
| SpacedOut | What other than installing the two .deb files is required to enable the tree view? | 05:19 |
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| Sc0rpius | Settings -> tree view mode checked | 05:21 |
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| Sc0rpius | I forgot to say that in the email :( | 05:22 |
| SpacedOut | My bad, I looked and went what's mcenfioptionstreeview and didn't look closely enough to try to find individual words. I'm on Engish. Checkmark on that option, save, application closing effect. | 05:24 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah it restarts Modest | 05:24 |
| Sc0rpius | well eventually we'll distribute language files with that addition | 05:24 |
| SpacedOut | I find it confusing that clicking on a blue item expands it, but clicking again doesn't collapse it, only the icon does that. | 05:25 |
| Sc0rpius | you can expand clicking the icon too | 05:25 |
| Sc0rpius | which is faster | 05:25 |
| Sc0rpius | if you select an account, it will collapse it | 05:25 |
| Sc0rpius | but if you select a folder, it will show you the headers on it | 05:26 |
| Sc0rpius | it's just a "shortcut" for accounts | 05:26 |
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| SpacedOut | Tree view looks good here, but the account label stays blue even when there aren't any new messages under it. | 05:43 |
| Sc0rpius | since tree view was half way implemented, I was wondering about that too. | 05:44 |
| Sc0rpius | but it seems accounts are blue, even if they have new messages or not | 05:44 |
| Sc0rpius | but that's fixable | 05:46 |
| SpacedOut | Looks like the non-tree view account is blue when there's a new message until you click on them the first time, then it's white even if you back out before going into the mailbox that had the message. | 05:49 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah | 05:53 |
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| MohammadAG | morning | 09:36 |
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| ThreeM | hmm | 11:14 |
| ThreeM | can it be that N900 with ssu has bug to use the lightsensor? | 11:15 |
| ThreeM | ahh ok, semms it depends on Force Rotation | 11:16 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, set #define USE_CAIRO_SCROLLBARS to 1 in hildon-pannable-area's source code | 11:32 |
| MohammadAG | thp, http://i53.tinypic.com/2rw6wxf.jpg | 11:34 |
| MohammadAG | heh, nicolai's working on a camera-ui clone | 11:45 |
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| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, feel free to use http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/modest-l10n, you can commit and push directly to it | 12:15 |
| thp | MohammadAG: looks good :) i think that's what I have seen on Debian with a recent libhildon :) thought they just replaced it | 12:22 |
| thp | btw, what's the "External keyboard" settings item? is that standard? | 12:22 |
| MohammadAG | no, it's extkbd from -devel | 12:23 |
| MohammadAG | fyi, never tested it, it just changes keyboard layouts so I figured it _might_ be handy to have | 12:23 |
| thp | hehe :) | 12:31 |
| macmaN | does anyone else think the narrow ass hildon scrollbar is not right | 12:39 |
| macmaN | something about it lacks | 12:40 |
| MohammadAG | #define SCROLL_BAR_MIN_SIZE 5 | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG | you can increase it ^ | 12:41 |
| MohammadAG | (easily, you could always change it) | 12:42 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: isn't the min size the vertical minimal size? | 12:55 |
| MohammadAG | thp, that's more than 5 pixels :P | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | (if that's in pixels) | 12:56 |
| MohammadAG | /* Set a minimum width */ | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | width = MAX (SCROLL_BAR_MIN_SIZE, width); | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | lol /* Set a minimum height */ | 12:57 |
| MohammadAG | height = MAX (SCROLL_BAR_MIN_SIZE, height); | 12:57 |
| thp | ah, ok :) | 13:06 |
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| normaltusker | just tested for bug #11886 (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11886) | 14:11 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11886 Modest: CTRL+ENTER doesn't send e-mail | 14:11 |
| povbot | Bug 11886: Modest: CTRL+ENTER doesn't send e-mail | 14:11 |
| normaltusker | I am able to reproduce it on CSSU V12.5 | 14:12 |
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| normaltusker | not voting for it since it is not affecting too many users I feel | 14:12 |
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| MohammadAG | I wonder if we could change the effect in the task manager to ClutterPageTurn | 17:45 |
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| Venemo | MohammadAG: what is ClutterPageTurn? | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | ClutterPageTurnEffect, it's an effect :p | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | probably a page turn effect, like in a book reader | 17:58 |
| Venemo | yeah, but what does it look like? | 17:58 |
| Venemo | oh | 17:58 |
| Venemo | probably | 17:58 |
| MohammadAG | well yes | 17:59 |
| Venemo | ok:) | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | would be nice in stacked windows | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | http://docs.clutter-project.org/docs/clutter/stable/ClutterPageTurnEffect.html | 17:59 |
| Venemo | I see | 17:59 |
| Venemo | you're out of luck | 17:59 |
| Venemo | ClutterPageTurnEffect is available since Clutter 1.4 | 17:59 |
| MohammadAG | isn't 1.5 on Maemo? | 17:59 |
| w00t_ | more like 0.8 | 18:00 |
| Venemo | yeah, but HD uses 0.8 | 18:00 |
| * MohammadAG cries | 18:00 | |
| MohammadAG | any chance we could upgrade that? :P | 18:00 |
| Venemo | smoku tried to port it... | 18:00 |
| Venemo | there is a semi-working version in the Cordia repo which uses Clutter 1.x | 18:01 |
| devrandom | Hi, does anyone know if the cssu breaks SIP? I tried to use a SIP-account and it is not working, it works on a friends n900 (without cssu installed) | 18:01 |
| Venemo | devrandom: we're not aware of such a thing | 18:01 |
| devrandom | btw - nice work on the CSSU, the fixed pulseaudio alone is a godsend | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | we never included the fixed PA :p | 18:02 |
| Venemo | why not? | 18:02 |
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| MohammadAG | not sure | 18:03 |
| devrandom | okay ... pulseaudio was fixed for me after the cssu ... strange | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | Should include the FIFO fix | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | or LILO, can't remember :p | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | I want gapless playback | 18:03 |
| MohammadAG | Looked at mafw-gst-renderer's code, it should be doable as it uses playbin2 | 18:04 |
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| devrandom | Venemo: thx, I will try to deinstall cssu to make sure the problem is its fault | 18:06 |
| BCMM | devrandom: what was wrong with PA before? | 18:11 |
| devrandom | when listening to musik, every other sound broke the sound of the musik for 1-2 seconds, after installation of cssu, all was smooth | 18:13 |
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| Lava_Croft | except for one thing | 18:19 |
| Lava_Croft | mplayer cli tream quits making sound whenever i activate the phone | 18:20 |
| Lava_Croft | or when a screen rotates | 18:20 |
| Lava_Croft | didnt happen before cssu | 18:20 |
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| Lava_Croft | what the | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_9jMd1bwHaU | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | er | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | wrong channel:< | 18:41 |
| Lava_Croft | shit | 18:41 |
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| lardman | ZogG: sorry it's taken so long, but I've added apt: support to mBarcode now | 18:48 |
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| ZogG | lardman yeah i saw it=) | 18:59 |
| ZogG | i didn't try it but i saw the bug comment you made | 18:59 |
| ZogG | thanks | 18:59 |
| lardman | I need to write up the format of the data to follow the uri:, but the code is pretty simple | 18:59 |
| lardman | np, something I'd wanted to do for ages | 18:59 |
| lardman | I'll write up the format of the data and post it in that bug, and on the mbarcode wiki page, then we can do some testing | 19:00 |
| lardman | doh, I see I've made a mistake, trying to remove the wrong uri | 19:02 |
| lardman | I'll fix that this evening | 19:02 |
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| lardman | cu chaps later on | 19:08 |
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| Lava_Croft | what do people here recommend doing with /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini | 19:34 |
| Lava_Croft | enable Hwsync or not? | 19:34 |
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| thp | Lava_Croft: is that even functional? afaik vsync isn't working? | 19:37 |
| Lava_Croft | I dont know? | 19:38 |
| Lava_Croft | It feels like transitions are smoother, but I cannot tell if it's just a placebo | 19:38 |
| Lava_Croft | I'd love some credible information about it | 19:39 |
| Lava_Croft | but Google isnt being very friendly to my probably shitty queries | 19:39 |
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| MohammadAG | it's not vsync | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | and they are "smoother" | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | javispedro explained it once | 19:49 |
| MohammadAG | each frame takes the same time when that's enabled, or something | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | when blur's active, transitions are slower | 19:50 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, it crashes my phone | 19:50 |
| Lava_Croft | it hasnt so far over here | 19:51 |
| Lava_Croft | doesnt it just use the GPU for transitions? | 19:51 |
| Lava_Croft | throwing those calculations at the GPU in opengles or something? | 19:51 |
| Lava_Croft | at least thats what i would expect | 19:51 |
| MohammadAG | the GPU is always used | 19:52 |
| Lava_Croft | hmm | 19:52 |
| Lava_Croft | i guess its kind of like making sure that all frames are nicely displayed? | 19:52 |
| Lava_Croft | in the proper manner | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | sort of | 19:52 |
| Lava_Croft | instead of the sometimes 'laggy' feel without it | 19:52 |
| MohammadAG | though they disabled it on purpose | 19:52 |
| Lava_Croft | yeah, i figured | 19:53 |
| Lava_Croft | its almost like a 'frame skip' without it enabled | 19:53 |
| Lava_Croft | as if the transition skips frames | 19:53 |
| Lava_Croft | i was basically waiting for my phone to crash | 19:53 |
| Lava_Croft | but in the past 4 days it hasnt, and i use it quite a lot | 19:53 |
| MohammadAG | weird | 19:54 |
| MohammadAG | mine crashes like 5 times a day with that enabled | 19:54 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 19:54 |
| Lava_Croft | maybe there are differences beyond what software we have installed | 19:55 |
| MohammadAG | nah, happens on a flashed device for me | 19:55 |
| Lava_Croft | i dont have that much installed, due to the cssu | 19:56 |
| Lava_Croft | expecting flashes etc | 19:56 |
| Lava_Croft | :> | 19:56 |
| AsiQue | Lava_Croft: i just enabled it (also on cssu) dosn't feel different... but not crashing here under load... | 19:59 |
| Lava_Croft | it should feel different with the default transitions | 19:59 |
| Lava_Croft | the are more smoothly animated | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | AsiQue, you need to reboot when setting it | 19:59 |
| MohammadAG | or restart hildon-desktop | 19:59 |
| Lava_Croft | but not crashing here under load... | 20:00 |
| AsiQue | doing it now... | 20:00 |
| Lava_Croft | i think that meant he rebooted it? | 20:00 |
| Lava_Croft | o, it didnt | 20:00 |
| AsiQue | agalol sorry.... | 20:00 |
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| AsiQue | recap... looks better... and not crashing under load.... | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | if it does crash, you need to reboot | 20:04 |
| Lava_Croft | i wonder how much, if any, it affects battery life | 20:05 |
| AsiQue | still testing it... | 20:05 |
| merlin1991 | silly question, but how can I check if my scratchbox is at pr1.3 and not pr1.2? | 20:05 |
| Lava_Croft | probably negatively | 20:05 |
| MohammadAG | shouldn't affect battery life | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: it even runs webos games without crashing | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | AsiQue, popups, aka dialogs, make it crash | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | and switching tasks while running webos games | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | that's not a proper test | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | open dialogs | 20:06 |
| MohammadAG | keep closing and opening dialogs, that's what crashes it | 20:06 |
| Lava_Croft | ill use notes | 20:07 |
| AsiQue | trying... its still working... | 20:07 |
| Lava_Croft | spamming ^s | 20:07 |
| AsiQue | is this flag used in hildon--home or in the powervr driver? | 20:07 |
| Lava_Croft | in Noteys | 20:07 |
| Lava_Croft | /etc/powervr.d/hildon-desktop.ini | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | the driver | 20:08 |
| Lava_Croft | its set at 0 by default | 20:08 |
| Lava_Croft | o | 20:08 |
| AsiQue | which i guess is closed source right? | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | yes, the file wasn't present before PR1.1 | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | but TI shipped a new driver that enabled that option | 20:08 |
| MohammadAG | the hildon-desktop devs overrode TI's decision and set it back to 0 | 20:08 |
| Lava_Croft | i guess ^s in Notes counts as a popup dialog? | 20:08 |
| Lava_Croft | i quit, spammed it over 200 times | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | status menu -> bluetooth crashed it for me | 20:09 |
| AsiQue | ohh... at least ti are doing something usfull | 20:09 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, making my device unstable :P | 20:09 |
| AsiQue | lol... still working here... even after the menu -> bluetooth | 20:10 |
| Lava_Croft | works fine here | 20:10 |
| Lava_Croft | spamming it wont make it crash either:< | 20:10 |
| MohammadAG | mind you, it doesn't happen the first time | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | it's just random | 20:11 |
| * MohammadAG enables option | 20:11 | |
| Lava_Croft | 4 days should be enough | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | but ill keep my eye out | 20:11 |
| AsiQue | well... it looks so good i think i'll live even if it fails | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | i guess the problem should popup at some time | 20:11 |
| MohammadAG | it also crashed my classmate's phone, so.. idk :( | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | hmm | 20:11 |
| Lava_Croft | you tried it with 1.3 too? | 20:11 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, any idea how I can check if my scratchbox is up to date? | 20:12 |
| MohammadAG | apt-get update; apt-get upgrade merlin1991 | 20:12 |
| AsiQue | welll this change actually makes the zoom on press look very iphonish (sorry for the blessphemy) | 20:13 |
| MohammadAG | the iPhone does something along the lines of what that option does anyway | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | theres nothing wrong with iphones in general, AsiQue :> | 20:14 |
| Lava_Croft | they serve a different market | 20:15 |
| Lava_Croft | like my wife! | 20:15 |
| AsiQue | lol... i think i said it to ppl handred of times... till i gave up/// | 20:15 |
| MohammadAG | in an attempt to make dialogs pop out more, I messed up http://i52.tinypic.com/2hrmlqb.jpg | 20:19 |
| merlin1991 | looks like :P | 20:19 |
| AsiQue | thats new... | 20:20 |
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| AsiQue | we'll call it a feature :-) | 20:21 |
| merlin1991 | AsiQue, every documented bug is a feature ;) | 20:21 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, what's that bottom right "launch" button? | 20:21 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, it launches the CSSU updates | 20:22 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 20:22 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, http://maemo.org/packages/view/status-area-applet-mediaplayer/ | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | hm I did boot my ubuntu laptop just to have to dl 250 mb worth of upates and have to clean up /boot because ubuntu filled like 5 kernels and images there | 20:23 |
| merlin1991 | complained at startup that it has only 9,5 mb space left in /boot :P | 20:24 |
| Lava_Croft | filling it with kernels is great | 20:25 |
| Lava_Croft | it means you can easily restore a possible broken one | 20:25 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 20:25 |
| Lava_Croft | i agree with the rest! | 20:25 |
| MohammadAG | Heh, I wish qwerty12 was still in the community | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | his source code's fun | 20:26 |
| MohammadAG | private bool /* SourceFunc */ update_shit () | 20:26 |
| Lava_Croft | hah | 20:26 |
| merlin1991 | as soon as that's done and scratchbox is updated I'll finally add bluetooth support http://maemo.org/packages/view/connectnow-home-widget/ (wanted todo that since month :D) | 20:26 |
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| Lava_Croft | hey, i might install that | 20:27 |
| merlin1991 | s/month/months/ | 20:27 |
| Lava_Croft | i think i ignored it due to the name | 20:27 |
| Lava_Croft | :< | 20:27 |
| merlin1991 | :D | 20:27 |
| merlin1991 | I use it all the time, because I have like 10000 wireless networks in this area and opening the list takes forever :D | 20:27 |
| Lava_Croft | oh, i dont have that, but i do switch a lot, from wifi to 3g | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | it's handy for that too :) | 20:28 |
| Lava_Croft | i figured | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | (I do that too) | 20:28 |
| Lava_Croft | basically i turn off any 3g/wifi if its not used anyhow | 20:28 |
| merlin1991 | yep | 20:28 |
| Lava_Croft | 2g does fine for IM and irssi over ssh | 20:29 |
| Lava_Croft | irssi was a bit of a challenge to get used to. I can play Quake with lag, but irssi's different | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | it even comes with a bluetooth icon, but no functionality for dis/enabling bluetooth | 20:29 |
| Lava_Croft | :> | 20:29 |
| Lava_Croft | i barely use bt | 20:29 |
| merlin1991 | I use it in my car, that's all :D | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | BT cars ftw | 20:30 |
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| merlin1991 | bt cars? like bt rc, or what? :D | 20:30 |
| MohammadAG | it runs Windows CE though :( | 20:31 |
| MohammadAG | BT-equipped cars :P | 20:31 |
| Lava_Croft | thats a big icon! | 20:31 |
| merlin1991 | I swapped the stereo in my car with one that has bt, the only thing I didn't get to work was the transfer of the contacts though | 20:32 |
| merlin1991 | Lava_Croft, of the connect now thingy? | 20:32 |
| merlin1991 | you can adjust the size in the settings with the slider that has the number | 20:32 |
| Lava_Croft | heh | 20:32 |
| merlin1991 | first time I saw that settings dialog I was wondering, WTF? what is this slider with no caption and just a number on it? countdown untill bsod? | 20:33 |
| Lava_Croft | thank you | 20:33 |
| Lava_Croft | yes, indeed | 20:33 |
| merlin1991 | sorry for going way offtopic here :) | 20:34 |
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| MohammadAG | can anybody reproduce bug #11997 | 21:22 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11997 Power button to "unlock" issues | 21:22 |
| MohammadAG | it works fine for me | 21:22 |
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| AsiQue | doe' | 21:29 |
| AsiQue | oops | 21:29 |
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| AsiQue | does anybody knows why i can't move desktops with the arrow keys in scratchbox + xephyr? | 21:31 |
| AsiQue | ? | 21:34 |
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| chadi | MohammadAG: I can't reproduce it on the latest cssu... | 21:43 |
| MohammadAG | AsiQue, probably because they're keypad | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | ... buttons | 21:44 |
| MohammadAG | turn of numlock and use the keys there | 21:44 |
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| AsiQue | MohammadAG: no still doesn't work... other keys are working... | 21:49 |
| AsiQue | well will try it tommarow... cya all :-) | 21:50 |
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| merlin1991 | can't reproduce the bug, works perfectly fine for me | 21:54 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, mind adding a comment on the bug? | 22:00 |
| merlin1991 | I'll try a few things before I post a worksforme comment | 22:06 |
| MohammadAG | anyway, nothing was changed that alters systemui | 22:07 |
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