| haltdef | full blown portrait mode on maemo 5 is possible then? :o | 00:01 |
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| MohammadAG | muhaha | 00:02 |
| Jaffa | haltdef: Define "full blown portrait"? It will never be automatic and system wide. | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | haltdef: However individual bits can be chipped away at until you get a largely cohesive experience. | 00:04 |
| haltdef | nice | 00:04 |
| Jaffa | haltdef: For example, CSSU has already brought portrait to Settings, Application Manager and the applications launcher. Soon Modest. | 00:04 |
| * MohammadAG blurs out names | 00:06 | |
| * MohammadAG blurs out facebook stuff | 00:06 | |
| * MohammadAG pastes http://i56.tinypic.com/2wcjz1z.jpg | 00:07 | |
| haltdef | :o | 00:07 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: So, what's that done? | 00:09 |
| Jaffa | (apart from portrait, obviously ;-)) | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, you can't rearrange widgets normally | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | try the shortcut thp posted once | 00:10 |
| MohammadAG | CTRL+SHIFT+Blue + L | 00:10 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: But you've got stuff in the bottom half which, AIUI, that doesn't do. | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 00:11 |
| MohammadAG | it just unlocks positioning | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | i.e I can position widgets in portrait and landscape mode | 00:12 |
| MohammadAG | but it's not auto | 00:12 |
| Jaffa | Thoughts on background? First pass: keep in the original orientation like the launcher? | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, I broke it in this build | 00:13 |
| MohammadAG | it's actually kept like in the launcher | 00:13 |
| Jaffa | Ah, I see. Is it easy to have separate manual layouts for portrait/landscape? I see some people want that, but I suspect auto would work for me. I could mock that up, actually to see if it would with my layouts | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: And swipe across the narrow axis to move left/right, or up/down? | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | left/right | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | no reason to change that imho | 00:14 |
| Jaffa | Indeed. | 00:14 |
| MohammadAG | the N8 does it, and the screen's smaller | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | though we could lower resistance, so a small swipe would work (again, as on the iPhone) | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | or as in hildon-home's edit mode | 00:15 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, anyway, this proves it can be done :) | 00:17 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: With the algorithm I outlined above, http://bleb.org/software/maemo/View2.png would become http://bleb.org/software/maemo/View2-portrait.png (although ignore background) | 00:26 |
| Jaffa | Isn't too bad for automatic, but the bottom half of the bottom right bookmark is cut off, and the Google Latitude shortcut is missing :-( | 00:27 |
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| MohammadAG | we can reduce padding | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | I wonder if it would make sense to position the two "halves" slightly up the screen, so that the cut off would be split. | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | ie. 27px off the top | 00:28 |
| Jaffa | Err, bad maths. | 00:34 |
| MohammadAG | lol | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | 57px off top & bottom, I think. | 00:35 |
| Jaffa | Go from two blocks of 400x426 to two blocks of 480x373 | 00:36 |
| Jaffa | i.e. http://bleb.org/software/maemo/View2-portrait.png would be the result. | 00:40 |
| Jaffa | Err. try again. Everything's accessible, but it's not pretty. | 00:41 |
| Jaffa | If there was separate layouts for portrait & landscape, though, that initial stab would allow you to see everything you had configured and shuffle it around a bit. | 00:41 |
| MohammadAG | why not just reduce spacing? | 00:42 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: So because we know the dimension of every single thing on the screen, we can reduce the space between them? | 00:44 |
| MohammadAG | I think we do, yeah | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | A fairly tricky algorithm to get right (but once right, dead simple :-)) | 00:44 |
| Jaffa | The algorithm would be something like: start at the top-left, and move each widget across and up as far as possible to see how many complete widgets you can include in 480x373. Once you've reached the maxium, redistribute using the original spacings, scaled to fit. Then repeat with anything left over for the second block. | 00:50 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, that's easier said than done :p | 01:04 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, thoughts on the tmo thread? it's getting awfully large | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Am an algorithm god :-) | 01:04 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: And no, no thoughts on teh TMO thread | 01:05 |
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| Jaffa | First pass: I've got a Perl script which takes a layout and outputs a PNG | 01:08 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, icons for orientation lock actually look good | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | really good | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | thanks :D | 02:14 |
| * merlin1991 wants to have a peak :D | 02:15 | |
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| MohammadAG | merlin1991, http://i52.tinypic.com/wugfwy.jpg top icon and... | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | http://i53.tinypic.com/34ov5eu.jpg | 02:18 |
| MohammadAG | merlin1991, also, in case you missed this :P http://i56.tinypic.com/2wcjz1z.jpg | 02:19 |
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| merlin1991 | I didn't miss the last one, but thx :) | 02:22 |
| thp | MohammadAG: yay for that cool rotation lock icon :) | 02:29 |
| MohammadAG | thp, best part is, the concept works fine :) | 02:30 |
| thp | what would be nice would be if you lock into portrait mode that the icon changes to a transparent landscape device and an opaque portrait device | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | thp, atm there's only landscape and auto (for obvious reasons), but that's the idea | 02:32 |
| MohammadAG | thp, check the -dev mailing list, Jaffa made the icons (he already made one for portrait mode) | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | thp, and when unlocked, both devices are transparent | 02:33 |
| MohammadAG | only tweak it needs it to listen to gconf changes | 02:34 |
| thp | will check the mails tomorrow.. off to bed now :) keep up the good work, i'm following these changes; very excited | 02:34 |
| thp | we can have a look at the gconf changes, there's a signal that we can connect to in the gconf client object | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, value_changed, haven't figured that out yet | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | and I'm in bed :P | 02:35 |
| MohammadAG | tsk tsk, bad microB is bad | 02:36 |
| MohammadAG | it enables the portait UI by listening to mce, not h-d | 02:36 |
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| Jaffa | thp: Short version: it does exactly what you want for portrait lock, including with the portrait icon on top. | 03:04 |
| Jaffa | Still not happy with the curve though | 03:04 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Got a restructuring algorithm (prototyped in Perl) which structures based on distance from origin. | 03:05 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Needs to put some spacing back in. Not sure how to do that ;-) | 03:05 |
| Jaffa | Oh, maybe I do. | 03:05 |
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| Jaffa | I might try for "some" spacing, rather than proportional. | 03:27 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/~jaffa/community-ssu/jaffas-hildon-desktop/blobs/master/prototype-rearrange-desktop.pl - initial algorithm using a simple packing routine. | 03:45 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: It tries to keep the rough relationship between the items, but I'd say you'd want to use that if no portrait layout was defined; let the user define one and then use the user-defined one from then on. | 03:46 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Or rather, no defined portrait layout for the set of widgets in use (when adding new items, invalidate the portrait layout) | 03:46 |
| Jaffa | Turns http://bleb.org/software/maemo/View2.png into http://bleb.org/software/maemo/View2-portrait.png and the same for "View3" | 03:49 |
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| * Jaffa has a new and better idea for an algorithm: | 10:15 | |
| Jaffa | 1) Split the screen into four quarters and put each on screen, clockwise from top-left, squishing vertical space and expanding horizontal. | 10:16 |
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| chadi | Hi.. I read that in the latest SSU packages, it is possible to reduce saturation while having blur = 0, but I just tried it and changing saturation does not make a difference. Am I editing in the wrong place? | 11:48 |
| MohammadAG | when having blur as 0 saturation is lowest anyway | 11:49 |
| chadi | What's the way to make it look a bit less bright without blur (if any)? | 11:50 |
| chadi | Something like this: http://thp.io/2011/maemo/hildon_desktop_noblur_dialogs.png | 11:53 |
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| MohammadAG | brightness? | 13:07 |
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| chadi | alternating the brightness between 0 and 10 does not make any difference.. | 14:13 |
| chadi | 0 and 1* | 14:18 |
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| Venemo | chadi: just set blurless=1 | 17:16 |
| Venemo | or something like that | 17:17 |
| chadi | ok, let me try | 17:17 |
| chadi | does not make a difference | 17:18 |
| chadi | oh, it has to be under the tweaks section | 17:23 |
| chadi | ok I set blurless=1 under [thp_tweaks], and nothing really changed | 17:31 |
| MohammadAG | reboot | 17:33 |
| chadi | I did reboot | 17:38 |
| Lava_Croft | blurless = 1 is clearly noticable | 17:39 |
| Lava_Croft | for example when going to the app launcher | 17:39 |
| chadi | I have radius and radius more set to 0, shouldn't they be 0? | 17:41 |
| MohammadAG | no, they shouldn't | 17:43 |
| arcean | MohammadAG: Could you import the source of the pdf viewer? | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | arcean, not home yet | 17:48 |
| chadi | ok tried with radius=1, it works, ty | 17:48 |
| arcean | ok | 17:48 |
| Lava_Croft | nice, ffmobile new beta | 17:51 |
| Venemo | Lava_Croft: is it actually nice? their last beta I tried was crap | 18:03 |
| Lava_Croft | Venemo: the nightly builds i have been using were a lot faster than the most recent beta (which isnt this one) | 18:03 |
| Lava_Croft | it was almost on par with microb | 18:03 |
| Lava_Croft | it still lacks flash tho | 18:03 |
| Lava_Croft | and its still a bit well, odd | 18:04 |
| Venemo | mhm | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | but its a nice alternative, sometimes | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | pages like reader.google.com/i/ render more readable in ffmobile | 18:04 |
| Venemo | what I tried simply DIED when I gave it my Sync credentials | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | with a bigger font, by default | 18:04 |
| Lava_Croft | MohammadAG: is there a video somewhere online that showcases zoom_on_press? | 18:08 |
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| _0x47 | hi, i'm currently porting mono to Maemo, and I face lots of trouble doing so. i found CSSU now, and was wondering if it is possible to make use of the updated repository and still submit the package somewhere? like i'd do it with the normal repo, uploading to autobuilder? | 19:08 |
| _0x47 | anyone? | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | file a bug and I'll pull the source | 19:13 |
| MohammadAG | gitorious is down though | 19:13 |
| _0x47 | MohammadAG: that also means i'd only be able to put mono based programs to the CSSU repo, right? | 19:17 |
| Jaffa | _0x47: The normal maemo.org autobuilder targets both PR1.3 and the CSSU | 19:20 |
| MohammadAG | if it doesn't need different system packages, why not use -devel? | 19:20 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: I think that was the question ;-) | 19:20 |
| _0x47 | maybe i'm confused, but i'm having a hard time trying to port mono to maemo (from lenny-backports and testing). I dont have libtool2.2 which I seem to need. Trying to port libtool2.2 I fail on the dependency to gfortran, and so on... | 19:22 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Pushed a new version of prototype-....pl. This uses the quartering algorithm I mentioned earlier. More consistent with the earlier layout, but less guaranteed to produce good results. I probably prefer the earlier algorithm (with the tree-based packing algorithm), TBH. However, with some vertical compression, this could be a winner. | 19:23 |
| _0x47 | guys wtf, this is so retarded. I have the somewhat ready mono package here, but I can't build it due to some weird error probably related to libtool. http://pastebin.com/m9BuSuSj | 19:26 |
| _0x47 | i'm trying to port this damn package to maemo since Friday, and it's really frustrating that there is no required dependency available | 19:27 |
| _0x47 | now, if I add the cssu repo and do a dist-upgrade, will I be able to build (aka libtool2.2 available) | 19:28 |
| _0x47 | ? | 19:28 |
| _0x47 | MohammadAG Jaffa? | 19:34 |
| MohammadAG | libtool isn't upgraded, no | 19:34 |
| _0x47 | MohammadAG: Thanks, but may there be a chance to upgrade core packages in the CSSU? Because that's what stops all the porting. If I would be able to replace core packages I could at least port... | 19:35 |
| MohammadAG | that's the point of the CSSU, to upgrade packages not available otherwise | 19:36 |
| _0x47 | So, I will try to port libtool2.2 and all it's dependencies and submit a bug with the packages as attachment? (did I get this right) | 19:37 |
| MohammadAG | yep | 19:39 |
| _0x47 | thakns | 19:41 |
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| _0x47 | MohammadAG: sorry, one more question: Jaffa said the autobuilder targets CSSU as well. I'm not quite sure what that means, because I'd like to make use of the optify package which iirc works only while using the autobuilder. | 20:04 |
| MohammadAG | the autobuilder can build for the CSSU, but only I can upload | 20:05 |
| _0x47 | Okay, thanks | 20:07 |
| MohammadAG | thp, see? it wasn't that hard :P http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/commit/043e4e5ccf64f5f6a63cfeb20dc1f8d57dab9f69 | 20:19 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Presumably a portrait lock would inhibit the reorientation signals and/or always report the same orientation to apps | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, portrait lock would be harder than that | 20:34 |
| MohammadAG | indeed, it would always return TRUE, but we also have to send the rotation signal | 20:35 |
| Jaffa | Bah. I reckon it'll be one line. Just I don't know where the one-line is ;-) | 20:35 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Surely it would still return based on the flags (or forcerotation), but it's just always sending a portrait signal | 20:35 |
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| Sc0rpius | what ever happened with tinymail in CSSU? | 20:50 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, you mean the repo? I updated it long ago | 20:52 |
| MohammadAG | feel free to start requesting merges :p | 20:52 |
| Sc0rpius | but I don't see it :( am I that old that my eyes deceive me | 20:52 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't see it in gitorious | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | err, WTF | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | Mohammad Abu-Garbeyyeh deleted Community SSU/tinymail <-- wtf | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | I deleted master, not the repo :/ | 20:53 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, is 1.1.92 latest? | 20:54 |
| Sc0rpius | yes | 20:54 |
| Sc0rpius | that's the tinmyail-1-2 branch | 20:55 |
| Sc0rpius | but I was wondering, CSSU will never bump those versions? | 20:55 |
| Sc0rpius | because I'm not sure if I can put in dependences something like "tinymail >=1.1.92cssu1" | 20:55 |
| Sc0rpius | or can I? | 20:55 |
| MohammadAG | pushed the local repo again http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/tinymail | 20:56 |
| Sc0rpius | thanks :) | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, they will be updated obviously :p | 20:56 |
| MohammadAG | +0cssu1, yeah | 20:56 |
| Sc0rpius | but I don't think debian dependences work like that (I'm not sure) | 20:57 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean I don't think you can put in a debian/control file a dependence like tinymail >=1.1.92+0cssu1 | 20:58 |
| Sc0rpius | but again, I'm not sure | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | you can | 20:58 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 20:58 |
| MohammadAG | Depends: tinymail (>= 1.1.92+0cssu1) | 20:59 |
| merlin1991 | what eaxctly is tinymail? | 21:05 |
| Sc0rpius | it's the framework of Modest | 21:06 |
| Sc0rpius | Modest is just a GUI | 21:06 |
| Sc0rpius | I have to add a function to tinymail to support tree view mode, which was half implemented anyway there, it seems there was a time they wanted to do it | 21:06 |
| Sc0rpius | but, we want to do a lot more improvement, like IDLE support, subscription/unsubscription of IMAP folders | 21:07 |
| Sc0rpius | and we would need to change some bits of the tinymail code for htat | 21:07 |
| Sc0rpius | that | 21:07 |
| merlin1991 | so in the future cssu will ship an updated tinymail too | 21:07 |
| Sc0rpius | that future is like next week | 21:07 |
| Sc0rpius | :P | 21:08 |
| merlin1991 | hrhr | 21:08 |
| merlin1991 | or rather ohnoes | 21:08 |
| merlin1991 | more stuff I'll have to keep track of :D | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | there's also that applet for orientation lock | 21:08 |
| Sc0rpius | and I'm working as well to distribute our own CSSU Modest languages files | 21:08 |
| Sc0rpius | that is, a CSSU replacement of modest-l10n* packages | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, I was thinking | 21:08 |
| MohammadAG | actually | 21:09 |
| MohammadAG | nevermind, thought was retarded :p | 21:09 |
| merlin1991 | lol | 21:09 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 21:09 |
| Sc0rpius | well using msgunfmt like timeless suggested is way too easy and you can have all that packages rebuilt in like 10 seconds | 21:09 |
| merlin1991 | applet isn't on gitorious yet MohammadAG so I don't care about it, yet :D | 21:09 |
| Sc0rpius | after that contributors of CSSU can modify the tranlastions that they think sound weird in their own native language | 21:09 |
| * merlin1991 is going to fix weird german stuff :) | 21:10 | |
| Sc0rpius | this is so fun :) too bad our daily jobs are totally different :( | 21:12 |
| merlin1991 | lmao | 21:12 |
| merlin1991 | my daily job is fun too (too some extend :D) | 21:12 |
| Sc0rpius | good for you | 21:12 |
| * MohammadAG looks at high school | 21:12 | |
| Sc0rpius | I'm a system & network administrator | 21:12 |
| Sc0rpius | all I see everyday is Solaris and Cisco IOS | 21:13 |
| Sc0rpius | it was fun at the beginning | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | IOS? | 21:13 |
| Sc0rpius | yes | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | Cisco IOS? | 21:13 |
| Sc0rpius | yes | 21:13 |
| * MohammadAG saw that in Legal on an iPhone | 21:13 | |
| Sc0rpius | http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cisco_IOS | 21:13 |
| MohammadAG | I guess it's not related to iOS then | 21:13 |
| _0x47 | could someone give me a hint how to disable the libtool tests on build time? | 21:13 |
| Sc0rpius | heh no, not related, and actually Cisco should sue Apple for that | 21:13 |
| Sc0rpius | because they had the name way before | 21:14 |
| MohammadAG | well, IOS != iOS :p | 21:14 |
| Sc0rpius | libtool libtool... libtool... | 21:14 |
| Sc0rpius | what are you building exactly _0x47 | 21:14 |
| _0x47 | huh? | 21:14 |
| merlin1991 | there's prob some agreement (aka money) between apple and cisco | 21:14 |
| _0x47 | libtool2.2 | 21:14 |
| _0x47 | there are some really retarded tests, of which 6 fail | 21:15 |
| _0x47 | and apparently they are useless pos tests | 21:15 |
| merlin1991 | get rid of them in the make file? | 21:15 |
| Sc0rpius | you are building libtool? | 21:15 |
| Sc0rpius | libtool is not needed in runtime if you are building libtool because you wanted to build something else that was not compatible with the libtool you have you can always use your own version of libtool | 21:15 |
| _0x47 | merlin1991: I have 1 billion makefiles generated from the debian package. I'm quite not sure which one? :P | 21:16 |
| _0x47 | Sc0rpius: but i can not let it auto-build, right? | 21:16 |
| Sc0rpius | some packages use their own libtool script I guess instead of the OS installed one | 21:17 |
| Sc0rpius | for example you were building some "mono" package right? | 21:18 |
| Sc0rpius | and you got this: | 21:18 |
| Sc0rpius | /home/slash/MyDocs/downloads/Mono/mono-2.6.7/mono/utils/../../libtool: line 1: X--tag=CC: command not found | 21:18 |
| Sc0rpius | that's not the libtool installed on your system, that's the libtool in /mono/utils | 21:18 |
| Sc0rpius | I meant mono-2.6.7/mono/utils | 21:18 |
| Sc0rpius | libtool is just a .sh script... | 21:18 |
| _0x47 | Sc0rpius: i understand now, but I'm not even sure if this was the latest error, let me check once more. please promise me to not leave :D | 21:19 |
| Sc0rpius | what I'm thinking right now is if the builder actually wraps libtool for you | 21:20 |
| Sc0rpius | builder has libtool 1.5 or something | 21:20 |
| _0x47 | yes, and that's why i tried to port libtool2.2, but let me check the current error, it takes quite some time until i get there | 21:21 |
| Sc0rpius | but if you port libtool2.2 the builder will use their own libtool anyway. | 21:22 |
| Sc0rpius | what I would do is to make the package work with the libtool builder has | 21:22 |
| _0x47 | btw: libtool2.2 seemed to work fine except these retarded tests (6 of them), which tried to do some fancy stuff with libfoo.so.0 which is actually in the directory (find) but was not found for some reason | 21:22 |
| _0x47 | Sc0rpius: but that would mean, the package should fail to build on Debian as well, right? | 21:23 |
| Sc0rpius | for security you can't run things in builder | 21:23 |
| Sc0rpius | and libtool is an executable | 21:23 |
| Sc0rpius | you can't tell builder run this program, that would be very easy to hack :) | 21:23 |
| Sc0rpius | aren't you using scratchbox? | 21:24 |
| _0x47 | Sc0rpius: it fails in my sdk | 21:24 |
| _0x47 | yes | 21:24 |
| _0x47 | i mean, the package is a debian package, which should, if you are right about the error in the package's libtool script, fail on any platform | 21:25 |
| Sc0rpius | I think you have to modify your package so it works with libtool 1.5 | 21:25 |
| _0x47 | not just my scratchbox | 21:25 |
| Sc0rpius | fails on any platform with libtool 1.5.x | 21:25 |
| Sc0rpius | and you can't force builder to use a newer one | 21:25 |
| Sc0rpius | because I think (not sure actually) it maps libtool to and you can't change that | 21:26 |
| Sc0rpius | err | 21:26 |
| Sc0rpius | it maps libtool to: | 21:26 |
| Sc0rpius | /targets/links/arch_tools/bin/libtool | 21:26 |
| Sc0rpius | so even if you build libtool2.2 and put it in your dependency file, it wil always use /targets/links/arch_tools/bin/libtool | 21:27 |
| _0x47 | i'm not quite sure if I am capable of doing so, i'd rather drop trying to port. those debian packages have extreme debian/rules... and thousands of patches... | 21:27 |
| Sc0rpius | well you would actually have to "port" it, because porting is not just compile something on another platform | 21:27 |
| Sc0rpius | usually you have to modify the source | 21:27 |
| _0x47 | shouldn't i be able to require libtool >= 2.2 and conflicht libtool 1.5? | 21:27 |
| Sc0rpius | for builder, if you require libtool >=2.2 it means you need the header files of libtool to build it | 21:28 |
| Sc0rpius | not the executable | 21:28 |
| _0x47 | i see | 21:28 |
| Sc0rpius | actually MohammadAG rebuilt PulseAudio right? and I think that required libtool 2.2 | 21:29 |
| Sc0rpius | how did he do it | 21:29 |
| MohammadAG | fakeroot dpkg-buildpackage -b, Nokia did the rest :p | 21:30 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 21:30 |
| _0x47 | huh? | 21:30 |
| Sc0rpius | didn't you change SBOX_DEFAULT_AUTOCONF or SBOX_DEFAULT_AUTOMAKE ? | 21:30 |
| _0x47 | MohammadAG: it has a build-dep on libtool2.2 and you did not get any error? | 21:31 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, nothing, just applied a patch and built it | 21:31 |
| _0x47 | imho that's a lie | 21:32 |
| Sc0rpius | I'd have to read the build dependences of PulseAudio | 21:32 |
| Sc0rpius | bbl lunch | 21:33 |
| _0x47 | : Using Scratchbox tools to satisfy builddeps | 21:34 |
| _0x47 | : Scratchbox has unsatisfying version: libtool 1.5.26 | 21:34 |
| _0x47 | dpkg-checkbuilddeps: Unmet build dependencies: libtool (>= 2.2) | 21:34 |
| _0x47 | dpkg-buildpackage: Build dependencies/conflicts unsatisfied; aborting. | 21:34 |
| MohammadAG | _0x47, it's not :p | 21:35 |
| _0x47 | then the libtool is not required in >= 2.2 | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | why would I lie? | 21:35 |
| _0x47 | because I am confused and in anger, and you want to make it even worse, maybe? | 21:35 |
| MohammadAG | nah, I'm not an asshole :P | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | at least most of the times | 21:36 |
| _0x47 | i see, then how come you didn't already port libtool2.2 to make myself more comfortable? :D | 21:36 |
| MohammadAG | that's when I'm an asshole | 21:36 |
| _0x47 | lol | 21:37 |
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| hawaii_ | Sc0rpius; ETA on offlineimap patch integration? | 21:50 |
| Jaffa | https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11832 | 21:53 |
| povbot | Bug 11832: Offline IMAP support | 21:53 |
| hawaii_ | Yes, I see that. | 21:53 |
| Jaffa | (for the logs ;-)) | 21:54 |
| hawaii_ | I've been using the patches for 6 months+ | 21:54 |
| Jaffa | Do they work well? (Are they your patches, btw?) | 21:54 |
| hawaii_ | It's completely stable. | 21:54 |
| Jaffa | Are there disk space issues to be considered? | 21:55 |
| hawaii_ | Not that I can tell, it's archived out of rootfs. | 21:55 |
| hawaii_ | Infact, it makes no changes to storage location. | 21:56 |
| _0x47 | Sc0rpius: well the error for mono remains the same, so I suppose I cannot fix this without having libtool2.2? | 21:58 |
| Sc0rpius | you could fix it changing it to support libtool 1.5 | 21:58 |
| Sc0rpius | that is using old 1.5 syntax to link the libraries | 21:59 |
| Sc0rpius | well I got other questions | 22:00 |
| Sc0rpius | 1.- What's that Mono anyway? | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | C# | 22:00 |
| hawaii_ | Jaffa, they're stored in the stock modest cache ~/.modest which is offloaded to opt | 22:00 |
| MohammadAG | /home* | 22:01 |
| Sc0rpius | Jesus Christ it's a whole open source .NET framework implementation? | 22:01 |
| hawaii_ | Yes. It's huge. | 22:01 |
| hawaii_ | http://www.mono-project.com/Maemo | 22:01 |
| Sc0rpius | 2.- why don't you "port" 2.10.1 instead | 22:01 |
| Sc0rpius | there's no 2.10.1 for Linux | 22:03 |
| Sc0rpius | I just checked | 22:03 |
| _0x47 | Sc0rpius: I suppose changing the libtool syntax to 1.5 is shitloads of work, or am I wrong? | 22:04 |
| Sc0rpius | maybe | 22:04 |
| _0x47 | Sc0rpius: Thanks for your help, but that's too much. I don't have the time, in fact it already took to long (spent most of the weekend trying to port various packages). No OpenRA for Maemo then. :( | 22:06 |
| _0x47 | I'll try to create a .deb from a source tarball tho, as a last try | 22:06 |
| Sc0rpius | so in the end what you wanted to do is port OpenRA ? | 22:07 |
| _0x47 | correct, which depends on mono | 22:07 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm | 22:07 |
| Sc0rpius | but that's not as easy as it looks, even if you have mono properly installed in Maemo | 22:08 |
| Sc0rpius | it's not just compile the debian package in Maemo | 22:08 |
| Sc0rpius | you would have to modify it a lot for the interface to work properly in the N900 | 22:08 |
| _0x47 | That again was part of the plan... Mono is the biggest problem after all. | 22:09 |
| hawaii_ | Package it with a small chroot. | 22:09 |
| _0x47 | Not too much tho, we have a stylus... | 22:10 |
| hawaii_ | But it still wouldn't be hildonized. | 22:10 |
| _0x47 | huh? | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | well what you have to modify is actually mono since it's the framework that interacts with the X Server | 22:10 |
| _0x47 | Sup with that now? | 22:10 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah he has to "hildonize" the whole mono | 22:11 |
| _0x47 | Why would I have to? | 22:11 |
| MohammadAG | looking at QMaemo5Style, it isn't easy | 22:11 |
| Sc0rpius | it would be interesting, but not for OpenRA, but actually for the whole mono thing, since an assembly that works for .NET works for mono | 22:11 |
| hawaii_ | Because it's run "through" Mono | 22:11 |
| Sc0rpius | and if you do that, forget about OpenRA, you can tell the world that the .NET assemblies work on a N900 | 22:12 |
| _0x47 | Why the *** would I want to do that? | 22:12 |
| _0x47 | I don't like Mono, it's just a thing I need for the greater good | 22:12 |
| hawaii_ | Because it's a decently large feat. | 22:12 |
| Sc0rpius | whoa it's bringing the best competitor of Java to the N900 | 22:13 |
| _0x47 | Mono itself is a big fail, you should rather convince Microsoft to do OSS | 22:13 |
| hawaii_ | Good luck with that. | 22:13 |
| _0x47 | ;) | 22:13 |
| hawaii_ | That is why Mono was created. | 22:13 |
| Sc0rpius | developers of all the world that already work using C# can delivery right now to the N900 and things like that | 22:13 |
| _0x47 | Yeah, it's like MS won? | 22:13 |
| Sc0rpius | I personally like .NET framework a lot better than Java. | 22:13 |
| Sc0rpius | but Java is still very much used everywhere | 22:14 |
| _0x47 | I like no framework better than any framework tbh | 22:14 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 22:14 |
| _0x47 | And Java at least is somewhat platform independent, where .NET is not, and Mono doesn't count for .NET | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | true that | 22:15 |
| Sc0rpius | but I still think a hildonized mono would be cool :) | 22:16 |
| _0x47 | I admit it, yes... | 22:16 |
| hawaii_ | What is the process for hildonizing a GTK app anyways? | 22:17 |
| Sc0rpius | a lot | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | changing most Gtk stuff into HIldon stuff | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | that's overly simplified ^ | 22:18 |
| Sc0rpius | gtk_button_new -> hildon_button_new | 22:18 |
| MohammadAG | gtk_text_view would become hildon_text_view | 22:18 |
| Sc0rpius | exactly | 22:18 |
| Sc0rpius | mostly all functions are changed | 22:18 |
| hawaii_ | hm. | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | and you can't sed them | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | no you can't because classes change too | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | HildonButton | 22:19 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | but GtkWidget stays the sam e | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | (there's no HildonWidget) | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | etc | 22:19 |
| hawaii_ | So do-able for light weight shit | 22:19 |
| Sc0rpius | and hildon is somewhat reduced | 22:19 |
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| Sc0rpius | hildon widgets don't have all properties/signal/styles implemented of their equivalent GtkWidgets | 22:20 |
| Sc0rpius | so you would have to hack a little | 22:20 |
| hawaii_ | Then wireshark will stay ugly as sin. | 22:20 |
| hawaii_ | or I'll just harass them work on the Qt/KDE builds | 22:22 |
| hawaii_ | I respectfully request the newest modest push includes offlineimap | 22:22 |
| hawaii_ | I have a NM account, standalone IMAP and a faked IMAP acccount | 22:23 |
| hawaii_ | offline on the live account works just fine, cached 500+ MB | 22:24 |
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| _0x47 | Sc0rpius: this is outdated, but maybe it was hildonized before? http://mono-project.com/Maemo | 23:00 |
| _0x47 | given hildon was used in the previous maemos | 23:01 |
| Jaffa | _0x47: Not for any user-friendly, integrated app, AFAIK | 23:07 |
| Jaffa | And I've been doing Maemo stuff for, oooh, nearly 6 years. | 23:07 |
| hawaii_ | It was nevre built for the N900 | 23:08 |
| _0x47 | yeah, never mind then | 23:08 |
| hawaii_ | There is a thread on TMO with the maintainer. | 23:08 |
| _0x47 | what is tmo? | 23:08 |
| hawaii_ | talk.maemo.org | 23:08 |
| _0x47 | :D i see | 23:09 |
| _0x47 | there actually is a build | 23:09 |
| _0x47 | outdated tho | 23:09 |
| _0x47 | let me check | 23:09 |
| _0x47 | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=47400&page=3 | 23:09 |
| _0x47 | right now i'm building mono 2.6.7 from the source tarball, but i'm not sure if it works as expected | 23:11 |
| hawaii_ | You're going to seriously chew rootfs with those | 23:11 |
| _0x47 | yeah, as the maintainer sais, use for the sdk only | 23:11 |
| hawaii_ | If I can remember, they hit 50MB+ | 23:12 |
| _0x47 | my package is going to be optified, if it works after all | 23:12 |
| hawaii_ | Hm | 23:13 |
| MohammadAG | thp, question, should tactile feedback check for both display tactile feedback and transitions.ini or should it stay the same? | 23:14 |
| _0x47 | i see lots of .exe and .dll in the stdout | 23:14 |
| _0x47 | frightens me :/ | 23:14 |
| merlin_1991 | "i see lots of .exe and .dll in the stdout" zeh wind00ze gods will smite you ;) | 23:16 |
| _0x47 | lol | 23:17 |
| hawaii_ | well I'm going to checkout Mono git and build it now. | 23:18 |
| _0x47 | wtf no, you cannot build it if i do! | 23:24 |
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| _0x47 | because mine is more awesome! | 23:25 |
| hawaii_ | I will duel you | 23:25 |
| hawaii_ | omfg, clone is going at 28KB/s. Forget this. | 23:26 |
| hawaii_ | You can build it :P | 23:26 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 23:27 |
| _0x47 | lol | 23:27 |
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| _0x47 | hawaii_: get one of the daily tarballs | 23:27 |
| usrn | hello | 23:29 |
| hawaii_ | hai | 23:31 |
| usrn | last update is stable on my device | 23:31 |
| usrn | but periodically icons background resets | 23:32 |
| Jaffa | usrn: Do you use Theme Customiser? | 23:33 |
| usrn | yes | 23:33 |
| hawaii_ | Theme Customizer uses a separate patched hildon-home | 23:33 |
| Jaffa | usrn: Theme Customiser is evil. It messes with your system in unexplained and broken way | 23:33 |
| Jaffa | +s | 23:33 |
| Jaffa | From what I've seen of the patches, I'm glad I never installed it. | 23:33 |
| hawaii_ | ? | 23:34 |
| usrn | it installed with plastic theme pack | 23:34 |
| Jaffa | usrn: You can vote, and track, on its CSSU inclusion at https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11990 | 23:34 |
| povbot | Bug 11990: resize patch against PR1.3 hildon-home | 23:34 |
| Jaffa | hawaii_: It clones theme icons, rescales them and dumps them with hardcoded names in /home/user. No subdirectory. Doesn't check if there's anything already there. | 23:34 |
| Jaffa | hawaii_: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11990#c8 is a list of problems I saw in a very quick *skim* of the patch file, without even investigating how hildon-home works and what the better approach is. | 23:35 |
| povbot | Bug 11990: resize patch against PR1.3 hildon-home | 23:35 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm I use theme customizer but only to change the fonts... | 23:35 |
| Sc0rpius | nothing else | 23:35 |
| hawaii_ | That isn't really indicative that the world is going to end, Jaffa. | 23:36 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: I don't know if it butchers hildon-home binaries on install, or only when you enable certain options. I hope the latter, but I wouldn't be sure. | 23:36 |
| Sc0rpius | well if it did, then I overwrote those when I installed CSSU | 23:36 |
| Jaffa | hawaii_: No, but it's been coded by someone with no care and attention to detail; it's been shipped by someone who didn't compile it and doesn't understand it. | 23:37 |
| hawaii_ | It only does when you make changes to icon bg, size or transparency, AFAIK. | 23:37 |
| Sc0rpius | what alternatives to theme customizer are? | 23:37 |
| hawaii_ | Jaffa: No argument there. | 23:37 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean, what you guys use to tweak your themes? | 23:37 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: Manual sed on the theme? | 23:37 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 23:37 |
| Jaffa | Sc0rpius: I didn't :-( | 23:37 |
| hawaii_ | a shell with awk and grep. | 23:37 |
| usrn | so.. will be better if i uninstall theme customiser ? | 23:38 |
| hawaii_ | You can simply re-install hildon-home from CSSU | 23:39 |
| hawaii_ | Or let Theme Customiser install the patched hildon-home and disable CSSU | 23:40 |
| usrn | nonono no need to disable. | 23:40 |
| usrn | i like this ssu | 23:40 |
| hawaii_ | Then get rid of Theme Customiser and solve the problem. | 23:41 |
| usrn | but how i can reinstall hildon-home ? | 23:43 |
| usrn | sorry for noob quest. | 23:43 |
| hawaii_ | as root `apt-get --reinstall install hildon-home` | 23:43 |
| usrn | with cssu repo ? | 23:44 |
| usrn | does reinstall influence Community SSU ? | 23:51 |
| hawaii_ | It will use the community SSU if it's enabled. | 23:51 |
| usrn | i'm thinkin --for what me that customiser | 23:52 |
| usrn | maybe better way is uninstall it | 23:53 |
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| usrn | what's your opinion on this situation ? | 23:54 |
| hawaii_ | My opinion is you should weigh the benefits or downfalls | 23:56 |
| hawaii_ | and decide for yoursef. | 23:56 |
| usrn | ok, how can i off icon's background without customiser ? | 23:58 |
| usrn | i use this app only for this change, no need in others | 23:59 |
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