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| trumee | How can we get updated core package into ssu? | 00:21 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG, ping | 00:22 |
| DocScrutinizer | dead? | 00:25 |
| trumee | DocScrutinizer, i want to bring in an update core package into ssu. how do i start? | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | trumee: sorry, nfc | 00:26 |
| DocScrutinizer | talk to Jaffa or MohammadAG I guess | 00:27 |
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| kennae | whats the package | 00:28 |
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| Jaffa | trumee: http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Development | 00:31 |
| Jaffa | trumee: Raise a bug, stating name of package; where the source for the PR1.3 version is and whether there's a git repo for the trunk; and (I guess) why | 00:32 |
| trumee | Jaffa, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8615 | 00:34 |
| povbot | Bug 8615: telepathy-sofiasip uses lots of memory and causes the phone to swap | 00:34 |
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| trumee | Jaffa, bottom of the bug report. | 00:34 |
| Jaffa | trumee: Cool. Creating a stub in the "Maemo 5 Community SSU" project might make it easier for MohammadAG to track. Or try and grab him here when he's not busy | 00:36 |
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| trumee | Jaffa, tx | 00:37 |
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| MohammadAG | I'm just busy with the school project | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | anyway | 00:50 |
| MohammadAG | trumee, file a bug report with a link to sources on gitorious (if available) | 00:51 |
| trumee | MohammadAG, ok | 00:51 |
| trumee | MohammadAG, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11944 | 01:07 |
| povbot | Bug 11944: Repackage latest builds of sofia-sip and telepathy-sofiasip | 01:07 |
| MohammadAG | ty, already saw it :p | 01:07 |
| trumee | MohammadAG, i couldnt find the git source of telepathy-sofia-sip | 01:08 |
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| MohammadAG | trumee, looks easy to do, I'll do it tomorrow | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | as for now, night :/ | 01:10 |
| kennae | what does that fix trumee? | 01:11 |
| trumee | kennae, better support with Freeswitch | 01:11 |
| trumee | MohammadAG, that would be awesome. | 01:13 |
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| Jaffa | mardy: You're probably interested in bug 11860 if you're worried about the h-d changes | 11:02 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11860 task switcher crashes on new messages | 11:02 |
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| thp | man, hildon-desktop was pretty cool back in 2009... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AiNF4C1p030&t=1m6s ;) | 11:47 |
| Jaffa | thp: Are you playing more with making the fast rotation shinier? | 12:04 |
| thp | not right now, no.. | 12:05 |
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| thp | i think i'll leave h-d as it is for now.. | 12:22 |
| thp | what i would like to see is tactile feedback like on the n8, as MohammadAG suggested - removing the touchscreen vibration and replacing it with proper feedback | 12:22 |
| thp | like, button feedback, appmenu animation feedback, scroll list bounce feedback, etc.. | 12:23 |
| thp | we would probably need something like a "feedbackd" running that has rights to write the vibra brightness file + a protocol which clients use | 12:24 |
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| Jaffa | + gtk patches | 12:49 |
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| thp | http://gitorious.org/tactile + http://maemo.org/packages/view/tactile/ should get us started and provide a testing base with which we can experiment with tactile feedback patterns :) | 14:19 |
| Jaffa | Cool. | 14:23 |
| thp | when it's imported, you can "apt-get install tactile" and "sudo tactile appmenu" to try it out | 14:23 |
| thp | of course, creating a new process every time we want to send a feedback is suboptimal, but it's good for experimenting - we can move the code deeper into libraries if we find that it's cool :) | 14:24 |
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| Jaffa | Yeah | 14:37 |
| Jaffa | Biggest annoyance for me with Maemo is that the vibra isn't hooked into the frameworks so it doesn't matter if you press something active or not. | 14:38 |
| thp | yep. the idea would be to make hildon and gtk and stuff "aware" of that and send out signals to a tactile daemon or whatever | 14:38 |
| thp | and then manually turn off the "screen vibration" menu option | 14:39 |
| thp | i can't find the code piece where hildon-desktop shows app menus, the system menu or the power menu :/ | 14:39 |
| Jaffa | First thought is that the button one should be much shorter. Almost equiv. to the current screen vibration | 14:40 |
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| * w00t_ must be weird in that he likes the way feedback works right now | 15:00 | |
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| thp | ok, that's it for today.. tactile 2 w/ test GUI (tactile-demo.py, must be started from the command line, didn't add dependencies, so you might need to install python-hildon and stuff) | 15:25 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: So if you open HAM and press on the background, you think it's sensible it vibrates? Rather than just doing so when you press on one of the buttons? | 15:27 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: tbh, yeah | 15:37 |
| w00t_ | but like I say | 15:37 |
| w00t_ | I'm probably weird | 15:37 |
| BCMM | it's like a mouse-click | 15:38 |
| w00t_ | yeah | 15:38 |
| BCMM | a little noise and tactile sensation to show a click has been registered | 15:38 |
| BCMM | a tap, rather | 15:38 |
| Jaffa | I thought of it like a keyboard press. If I don't press on a key, I don't feel anything. | 15:42 |
| Jaffa | I know when I've touched the screen as I have tactile feedback from the surface of my finger ;-) | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | What I want to know is if the system *actually* registered my touch | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | i.e. if it vibrates when I touch the homescreen, I expect the icon to launch - even if I tapped it directly. | 15:43 |
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| Venemo | hey w00t_ | 16:12 |
| w00t_ | hi | 16:13 |
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| Mensoif | Hi, will things like SSL certificates be part of C_SSU? and if yes how will this be managed? I ask, because I would appreciate that startssl got included by default. | 17:07 |
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| Jaffa | Mensoif: It's not been discussed. | 17:41 |
| Jaffa | But it did prompt me to post http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2011-February/028151.html | 17:47 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, I'm thinking of attempting to do that slide to unlock thing | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | err, slide to answer | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | it would delay answer time by 0.1s, if the concept works fine | 18:02 |
| MohammadAG | also, I don't mind the ML, go for it :) | 18:03 |
| Mensoif | ok, thanks maybee we should make it as some other projects. Just trust the one that are trusted in some other major projects like Mozilla. | 18:05 |
| Jaffa | Mensoif: Do you know what package we'd need to replace? | 18:05 |
| Mensoif | I actually have no idea, but I could try to find out | 18:06 |
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| Sc0rpius | I didn't know ham was open | 18:29 |
| kennae | when did the last update came? | 18:33 |
| kennae | been using cssu for over a week and havent seen any yey | 18:33 |
| kennae | just thiking if it works | 18:33 |
| kennae | thinking | 18:33 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 18:34 |
| Sc0rpius | people first say CSSU was updated too often | 18:34 |
| Sc0rpius | now say it's been a week without any update | 18:34 |
| merlin1991 | waaah | 18:34 |
| Sc0rpius | :) | 18:34 |
| merlin1991 | in short :D | 18:34 |
| kennae | didnt really say that | 18:35 |
| kennae | was just wondering | 18:35 |
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| kennae | not demanding for update, just wanting to know it is set up right | 18:36 |
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| Mensoif | it's here http://maemo.org/packages/view/maemosec-certman-common-ca/ | 18:40 |
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| MohammadAG | concept failed, oh well | 18:43 |
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| trumee | MohammadAG: any luck with telepathy-sofiasip and sofia-sip? | 19:07 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, thp, http://i54.tinypic.com/2ag4wo4.jpg | 19:47 |
| MohammadAG | that's a QScrollArea (HildonPannableArea in gtk), most settings are in there | 19:48 |
| MohammadAG | hmm, typo, warning should say of not on | 19:48 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: I would have thought most wouldn't need to be in there. e.g. "Damage timeout max" and "Angle"? | 20:33 |
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| MohammadAG | Jaffa, it's for all of hildon-desktop's transition lines | 20:43 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, at least the one that don't cause problems | 20:43 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Yeah but "all" != "user friendly". Maybe a simple/advanced mode? Turning on z-axis rotation is something which should be nice & simple, IMHO | 20:44 |
| MohammadAG | enabled / disabled is simple :P | 20:44 |
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| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Users get confused and/or break things when given lots of other scary options. | 20:47 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: win! :) | 21:09 |
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| thp | MohammadAG: some remarks: "transition control" -> why not rename it to "Window Manager Settings"? | 21:10 |
| thp | MohammadAG: and tabs are bad when the tab labels get translated -> danger of being broader than the screen width | 21:11 |
| thp | MohammadAG: damage timeout max + angle should probably be sliders | 21:11 |
| thp | ..and instead of radio buttons (enabled + disabled), you could just make a checkbutton (button with checkbox inside) | 21:12 |
| thp | do you also expose the other tweaks like big task switcher and blurless? | 21:12 |
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| barzam | also there is already a package name transitioncontrol | 21:13 |
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| barzam | btw I have a request, is there a way to patch the terminal emulator to save history without having to exit with ctrl+d? | 21:34 |
| BCMM | hadn't noticed it did that... what signal does it send the shell when you close the window, then? | 21:55 |
| lcuk | barzam, that is potentially a multi layered problem | 21:55 |
| lcuk | clicking close whilst in ssh would need to send through the ssh line then back to the local one etc | 21:56 |
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| MohammadAG | thp, will rename it, it wasn't really final anyway :) | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | thp, tabs are handled well in Qt actually, this isn't gtk | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | QCheckButton - check | 22:54 |
| MohammadAG | and yeah, I have all tweaks in it | 22:56 |
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| Sc0rpius | topic should have latest CSSU version | 23:09 |
| Sc0rpius | that was pushed to the repo | 23:09 |
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| *** MohammadAG changes topic to "Maemo Community SSU channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU | Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | Latest version: 20.2010.36-2maemo11" | 23:10 | |
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| thp | MohammadAG: what happens with tabs in qt? | 23:31 |
| thp | when the text gets longer? | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | arrows show properly | 23:31 |
| MohammadAG | afaik | 23:31 |
| thp | nah.. arrows are kludgy ;) | 23:32 |
| thp | make everything a big pannable area | 23:32 |
| thp | with headings for each section | 23:32 |
| MohammadAG | i could use alterego's view | 23:32 |
| thp | or let someone make icons for the tabs and remove the text labels | 23:33 |
| MohammadAG | widget based scrolling | 23:33 |
| thp | what's that? | 23:34 |
| thp | well, in the end, you do the work, and it's your app, so whatever you'll come up with will be cool :) | 23:36 |
| _nicolai_ | What app? a transitions.ini GUI? | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | yeah | 23:37 |
| MohammadAG | thp, you add widgets to it (in this case, the tab contents), and it adds scrolling between them | 23:38 |
| MohammadAG | you drag between views | 23:38 |
| _nicolai_ | MohammadAG, great! Is it working already or is it just the a UI at the moment? | 23:41 |
| MohammadAG | working, just need to add save settings (currently it only loads), but that's easy | 23:42 |
| _nicolai_ | how do you want to restart hildon-desktop? | 23:43 |
| MohammadAG | I'm planning a button to restart it if the user wants to | 23:44 |
| MohammadAG | killall :/ | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | though that breaks something in rotation | 23:45 |
| MohammadAG | also breaks DrLaunch (cc thp) | 23:45 |
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| _nicolai_ | ah, ok. I had some problems with dsmetool -k /usr/bin/hildon-desktop. | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | yeah, segfaults | 23:49 |
| MohammadAG | till you reboot | 23:50 |
| _nicolai_ | battery-eye does not work anymore and qthello could not find saved highscores! | 23:50 |
| Sc0rpius | I should take a shower to try to finish the modest tree view | 23:50 |
| barzam | Sc0rpius: gmail style? | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, doing something unrelated to what I'm working on gives me ideas :P | 23:51 |
| Sc0rpius | ehh no yet in conversations, so far in folders: | 23:51 |
| Sc0rpius | http://ompldr.org/vN2ZzYQ | 23:51 |
| MohammadAG | I was fixing the BT messenger, in 2h, I didn't progress | 23:51 |
| Sc0rpius | no more "account selection", you see all your acounts folders, expandable/collapsable | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | while playing on the PS3, it came to my head and I fixed it in 2 mins :P | 23:52 |
| Sc0rpius | that happens | 23:52 |
| Sc0rpius | usually my best ideas come when I'm taking a shower hehe | 23:52 |
| Sc0rpius | it's hard to get ideas while playing on the PS3, since nowadays games are hard and require concentration | 23:52 |
| Sc0rpius | ... or I'm just too old for it | 23:52 |
| MohammadAG | was playing MW2 :p | 23:53 |
| Sc0rpius | I'm trying to finish Red Dead Redemption lately. Maybe tonite I'll play for a while | 23:53 |
| barzam | would it be possible to have gmail's imap sort things like gmail does (eg all related messages are in one thread)? | 23:53 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah barzam but not like Gmail since Gmail sucks and it would mean to download 500 messages on a mobile phone through 3G | 23:53 |
| barzam | I suck at explaining stuff tonight ;) bear with me | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | possible yes, only needs dev time | 23:53 |
| Sc0rpius | but you'll get something more like... every other email client does | 23:53 |
| MohammadAG | Sc0rpius, what font is that btw? | 23:54 |
| barzam | great, that's the one thing I really miss from the mail app on the n900 | 23:54 |
| Sc0rpius | it's the Android font, the only thing I like from Android | 23:54 |
| Sc0rpius | barzam: http://developer.kde.org/~kmail/kmailreview/figure2.png | 23:54 |
| barzam | yeah it's a very nice font | 23:54 |
| Sc0rpius | something like that... but more mobile oriented | 23:55 |
| barzam | Sc0rpius: yeah, sylpheed does the same | 23:55 |
| * Sc0rpius googles 'sylpheed' | 23:55 | |
| Sc0rpius | yeah something like that | 23:56 |
| barzam | sylpheed is fugly but works nicely :) | 23:56 |
| Sc0rpius | but we can do that, since tinymail is already in the CSSU repository waiting for my fixes to be pushed hehe | 23:57 |
| Sc0rpius | and I'm still thinking about a client with thunderbird engine and Qt GUI... | 23:58 |
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