| Gadgetoid | Just managed to screw up HAM, just by installing Faster Application Manager | 00:01 |
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| Jaffa | Gadgetoid: Auto-remove malarkey? | 00:26 |
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| kennae | is there some kind of roadmap for the SSU? | 01:01 |
| kennae | what to except | 01:02 |
| merlin1991 | kennae, you expect europeans to slep at this time, but then again we're developers :D | 01:08 |
| merlin1991 | s/slep/sleep/ | 01:08 |
| kennae | nah | 01:09 |
| kennae | I never sleep this time and im european :) | 01:10 |
| * MohammadAG whistles around | 01:10 | |
| thp | kennae: don't think there's a roadmap. mostly just people scratching an itch and harvesting bugs.maemo.org for useful patches that we can integrate : | 01:10 |
| kennae | okies | 01:10 |
| MohammadAG | no, no roadmap (yet?) :P | 01:11 |
| kennae | any neat changes coming in the near future? | 01:11 |
| MohammadAG | I don't see a need for one tbh, but I've never planned a roadmap so... | 01:11 |
| dotblank | I wonder how much more open we can get maemo now | 01:11 |
| M4rtinK | btw, how is the media player rewrite going ? :) | 01:15 |
| MohammadAG | great for a one person job, I'd appreciate help tbh :P | 01:16 |
| M4rtinK | I'm unfortunately already far too busy with my little navigation app :) | 01:18 |
| dotblank | is the code on Gitorious | 01:19 |
| kennae | ive tried maybe four map apps for n900 and all of them suck :P | 01:19 |
| dotblank | kennae, the smooth maps app is good | 01:19 |
| kennae | maybe ill check it out | 01:20 |
| kennae | no need for one atm really | 01:20 |
| M4rtinK | well, I'm open to suggestions :) | 01:21 |
| MohammadAG | nicolai rewrote the display plugin :D | 02:03 |
| merlin1991 | mappero is nicolais project, right? | 02:05 |
| MohammadAG | not sure :P | 02:05 |
| merlin1991 | hm nope | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | damn it, I thought it's his | 02:07 |
| merlin1991 | MohammadAG, is the media player code somewhere? | 02:13 |
| merlin1991 | ah found it | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | gitori... k | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | :p | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | hold on | 02:14 |
| MohammadAG | let me push | 02:14 |
| merlin1991 | dotblank, in case you're still searching for it http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer :D | 02:14 |
| * merlin1991 wants better playlist support than the stock mediaplayer | 02:16 | |
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| MohammadAG | that's what's missing atm | 02:19 |
| MohammadAG | Mafw Playlist | 02:20 |
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| MohammadAG | andre__, should we have a component for control panel applets? | 03:09 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, I don't know if we *should*, but if you want one I can create it. plus maybe a general component? | 03:37 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, well, the control panel has a lot of applets, creating a bugzilla component for each would be tiresome | 03:38 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, could you add a component for Hildon Control Panel applets? | 03:39 |
| MohammadAG | "hildon-control-panel applets" | 03:39 |
| * andre__ is not really sober but can try his best <evilgrin> | 03:39 | |
| MohammadAG | heh | 03:39 |
| andre__ | MohammadAG, adde | 03:40 |
| andre__ | d | 03:40 |
| MohammadAG | andre__, thanks :D | 03:43 |
| andre__ | np | 03:43 |
| MohammadAG | X-Fade, can you give the repo a kick? | 04:06 |
| MohammadAG | it didn't import osso-applet-display and osso-applet-notificationlight | 04:06 |
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| ZogG | MohammadAG ping | 15:58 |
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| thp | man, another idea for a h-d patch.. | 18:03 |
| thp | http://youtu.be/sZeDI0BsoBM | 18:06 |
| thp | MohammadAG: what do you think about that^? acceptable for cssu? maybe even as default? ;) | 18:06 |
| Jaffa | thp: I was thinking of looking at doing something similar. | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | thp: I'd support that as the default. | 18:10 |
| kennae | should be even faster imo | 18:10 |
| kennae | but looks good and i support it too | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | Doesn't materially affect the usage of the device, still looks shiny, is consistent with MeeGo and improves user experience. | 18:10 |
| thp | yep | 18:10 |
| Jaffa | thp: code exists? Quick raise a bug and link ;-) | 18:11 |
| thp | yep code exists, but it's like commenting out stuff.. | 18:11 |
| thp | should I just remove the commented out code in the patch? | 18:12 |
| thp | i mean, we have the old code in the git repository if anybody wants to go back | 18:12 |
| Jaffa | Yeah, keeping stuff commented out is heinous in version control systems | 18:12 |
| lcuk | thp, thats a bad flicker on rotation! | 18:13 |
| lcuk | I remember so many people shouting at me for glitches like that | 18:14 |
| lcuk | thp, there are probably many hidden gems inside commented out code. | 18:14 |
| thp | one issue is vsync. the other that it seems to reconfigure the window *after* the first part of the rotation (afaict) | 18:14 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: There's already a bad flicker on rotation, of course ;-) | 18:19 |
| Jaffa | thp: Does it still use the composed-snapshot and mutate approach? | 18:20 |
| Jaffa | thp: If anyone can make it ace, you can. I'll have a stack of beer (or N8s ;-)) for you... | 18:21 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: I'd prefer the beer | 18:22 |
| w00t_ | ;-) | 18:22 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: But Symbian will have "continual improvement". | 18:22 |
| Jaffa | Of course, so will Maemo. Muwahahaha. | 18:22 |
| thp | http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/3 | 18:23 |
| thp | Jaffa: it's pretty trivial if you look at it ;) | 18:23 |
| thp | what's the "mutate" approach? | 18:23 |
| Jaffa | thp: i.e. it mutates an image of the window with transforms rather than rendering the window. Then the window repaints under the covers | 18:24 |
| Jaffa | thp: making it be in the right state by the time the animation's finished. | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | thp: Worrying amount of code being cut out... | 18:25 |
| thp | yes, i think that's how it works (tested this by setting the duration to 2000 msec and charging the device and watching the charging indicator animation) | 18:25 |
| Jaffa | heh | 18:26 |
| thp | Jaffa: the code being cut out is the black rectangles that are used for fade-to-black stuff (I think.. ;p) | 18:26 |
| Jaffa | :-) | 18:28 |
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| thp | next up will be http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtD926wNcYs | 20:19 |
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| thp | still have to think of closed source non portrait capable apps, though | 20:30 |
| lcuk | thp, have to think about the OSS apps too | 20:32 |
| lcuk | if a large fraction of them act like mediaplayer then its going to frustrate rather than improve | 20:32 |
| thp | yep, it will probably be optional anyway | 20:33 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:34 |
| lcuk | w00t_ did something similar with a short shell script | 20:34 |
| lcuk | afaik that rotated everything | 20:34 |
| lcuk | did you find the portrait launcher btw? | 20:34 |
| thp | nope, didn't look that deep yet | 20:35 |
| thp | atm it's just brute-force overriding the forecast and portrait flags | 20:35 |
| lcuk | yeah | 20:36 |
| lcuk | theres lots of variation possible with the HD engine :) happy to see more digging being done | 20:36 |
| thp | so the launcher portrait code already exists? | 20:36 |
| lcuk | yes | 20:36 |
| lcuk | it started to go through testing | 20:37 |
| thp | is it easy to enable it? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | I have it on my machine | 20:37 |
| lcuk | its on a gitorious repo | 20:37 |
| lcuk | hold on, lemme see where | 20:37 |
| thp | the cssu one or a different one? | 20:37 |
| lcuk | http://maemo.gitorious.org/~kalfa/fremantle-hildon-desktop/kalfa-hildon-desktop | 20:38 |
| lcuk | different, this was before cssu | 20:38 |
| lcuk | I pointed MohammadAG towards it right at the start when he was looking at HD | 20:38 |
| lcuk | but there was no real infrastructure or knowledge to support merges etc | 20:39 |
| lcuk | maybe its more practical now :) | 20:39 |
| thp | was that considered for an official ssu or something? | 20:40 |
| lcuk | thp it was started by one of the collabora guys to see how feasible it was. | 20:41 |
| w00t_ | I think I saw someone working on a portrait launcher | 20:42 |
| w00t_ | I'll look later | 20:42 |
| w00t_ | little busy atm | 20:42 |
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| trbs | Would the cssu project look at updating the base system on the longer term ? (possibly trying to rebase on squeeze for example?) | 23:55 |
| MohammadAG | if it doesn't break anything | 23:56 |
| trbs | ok cool, i'm assuming this will be far from trivial specially when trying to not break stuff (possibly almost impossible due to problems with closed sources bits?) | 23:58 |
| trbs | but i wanted to ask how far something like the CSSU could go for maemo/n900 | 23:58 |
| trbs | btw our project is on my mind to contribute, if/when/etc i'll have spare time i would love to contribute | 23:59 |
| trbs | i love my n900 and it would be nice to make it (even) better :) | 23:59 |
| MohammadAG | exactly | 23:59 |
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