| w00t_ | other than that, great :) | 00:00 |
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| anidel | because that's what the Community SSU seems to do .. keep the default behaviour and let people change it | 00:06 |
| anidel | I'm adding a Setting now | 00:06 |
| anidel | so it can be configured properly and not via gconf only | 00:07 |
| anidel | Quoting Community_SSU Wikipage: "Are you a developer? There are numerous patches floating around for hildon-desktop; but they can't be included in the CSSU until they are configurable (via gconf) and default to off. " | 00:07 |
| anidel | I guess that applies to all new patches.. and indeed it makes sense... some | 00:08 |
| anidel | :) | 00:08 |
| lcuk | \o/ anidel | 00:08 |
| anidel | hey Gary | 00:08 |
| lcuk | hiya \o | 00:08 |
| anidel | like this patch ? :) | 00:16 |
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| anidel | Cool, setting in Settings is done as well... now I only need to update the translation file for a full patch | 00:39 |
| anidel | how do I update it? mmm | 00:40 |
| anidel | I forgot how I did it in Xournal :( | 00:40 |
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| Jaffa | w00t_: Certainly feedback can be got about changing the default at a later point, but let's try and not annoy people first off :-) | 01:07 |
| w00t_ | Jaffa: more or less agreed, but I think that should at least start to be thought of now - with at least a list of possible changes that can then later be run through some kind of voting or something | 01:08 |
| Jaffa | w00t_: Agreed; some user survey seems sensible about changing defaults. | 01:11 |
| Sc0rpius | you people pushed another update today? | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | I don't wanna lose my modest patch :( | 01:13 |
| Sc0rpius | I was evaluating changing the folder list to a folder tree in modest | 01:14 |
| Sc0rpius | so we could collapse/expand subfolders | 01:14 |
| Sc0rpius | but I think it's a major change | 01:15 |
| Sc0rpius | and I don't think it is in the modest scope, I guess it's a tinymail thing | 01:15 |
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| anidel | so, is there a Makefile command to update the po files in Modest? | 01:26 |
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| anidel | mmm so ok... the default translations are not the same in the en_GB.po file.. Copyright issue from Nokia ? however the .deb files doesn't overwrite the .mo file... | 01:41 |
| anidel | how are we tackling this ? | 01:41 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Should bug 11841 be closed as INVALID? Unless there's a patch, I don't think the CSSU component should be used for general wishlist items. (Or should it?) | 01:42 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11841 request: line-wrapping in email composer in modest | 01:42 |
| Jaffa | anidel: There are extra packages for the modest i18n which presumably aren't regenerated by the base package? | 01:42 |
| anidel | ah... | 01:44 |
| anidel | interesting | 01:45 |
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| anidel | so how should I proceed to add the translation needed for this new setting? | 01:45 |
| anidel | modest-l10n-engb I guess.. let's see | 01:47 |
| anidel | Jaffa: btw, about 11839 (my patch), how does it work.. someone will review the code and eventually accept it ? One has (I guess not), write access to GIT somehow? | 01:50 |
| anidel | but 11839 | 01:50 |
| anidel | ops bug 11839 | 01:50 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11839 Show the previous e-mail after deleting an e-mail in VIEW mode | 01:50 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, yes, I think it should | 01:59 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, though I'm currently facing a slight problem with no idea what's causing it - internet connection only works on windows | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | cept for IRC | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | and I'm not a fan of windows | 02:00 |
| MohammadAG | oh hey, it worked | 02:07 |
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| Sc0rpius | I'm still fighting to migrate from list to a tree view in Modest | 02:58 |
| Sc0rpius | and I actually have something working | 02:58 |
| Sc0rpius | but it looks horrible | 02:58 |
| Sc0rpius | but it works | 02:58 |
| Sc0rpius | well it kinda works | 03:00 |
| Sc0rpius | wanna take a look? http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/8800/screenshot2011013117143.png | 03:18 |
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| BCMM | Sc0rpius: that doesn't really look horrible | 04:10 |
| BCMM | apart from the expand/collapse icon overlapping the other icon | 04:11 |
| Sc0rpius | well eventually it should show folder icons | 04:11 |
| Sc0rpius | and I hope GTK lets me change exapnd/collapse icon | 04:11 |
| Sc0rpius | to a bigger one or something | 04:11 |
| Sc0rpius | it's just random tests I'm making, I'm still not sure if I can reach a version that's comfortable and usable | 04:12 |
| Sc0rpius | and the worst part is that libtinymailui-gtk has to be patched... | 04:12 |
| Sc0rpius | and that's not included in CSSU | 04:13 |
| BCMM | Sc0rpius: on an IMAP account, does modest check each folder for new mail, or only poll the inbox? | 04:15 |
| Sc0rpius | every folder | 04:15 |
| Sc0rpius | I want an arrow at the left of the icon | 04:33 |
| Sc0rpius | a "triangle" | 04:33 |
| Sc0rpius | if it can't be changed easily, I can "hide" it and use my own but I have to change it everytime a row is collapsed/expanded | 04:36 |
| Sc0rpius | yeah I can totally change it | 04:42 |
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| awwaiid | Greetings! | 06:06 |
| awwaiid | I've installed the community SSU and it seemed to go well, but it appears that my theme (perhaps just pure gtk components) is a little wacked -- small fonts, wrong colors, etc. | 06:07 |
| awwaiid | So I figured I'd flip it from this theme to another via the settings -> theme app | 06:07 |
| awwaiid | alas, though the settings app loads, none of the buttons do anything. | 06:08 |
| awwaiid | Anyone run into this already? | 06:08 |
| Sc0rpius | never | 06:36 |
| Sc0rpius | and that's weird | 06:36 |
| awwaiid | indeed | 06:36 |
| Sc0rpius | have you rebooted? | 06:36 |
| awwaiid | yes. the system rebooted on its own of course, and then I rebooted again after that | 06:36 |
| awwaiid | now I've started to google about for how to switch the theme (or start the theme switcher) from the command line | 06:37 |
| awwaiid | I think I was running "D-Theme Blue" | 06:47 |
| Sc0rpius | what theme switcher do you have installed? | 06:54 |
| Sc0rpius | "Theme Customizer"? | 06:55 |
| awwaiid | nope, just the default system theme switcher | 06:56 |
| awwaiid | I was thinking of getting theme customizer just to force it to switch though | 06:56 |
| Sc0rpius | the system doesn't have a theme switcher I think | 06:56 |
| * Sc0rpius thinks | 06:56 | |
| Sc0rpius | oh via Settings? | 06:56 |
| awwaiid | yes | 06:56 |
| Sc0rpius | what about: | 07:00 |
| Sc0rpius | apt-get install theme-customizer | 07:00 |
| Sc0rpius | and then | 07:00 |
| Sc0rpius | run-standalone.sh /opt/theme-customizer/theme-customizer | 07:00 |
| Sc0rpius | and then uninstall it if you want, sorry, but I can't find a way to run Setting applets from the command line :S | 07:00 |
| Sc0rpius | there must be onw | 07:00 |
| Sc0rpius | one | 07:00 |
| Sc0rpius | I mean there must be a way... | 07:00 |
| awwaiid | ya, I'll try that. bbiab | 07:03 |
| awwaiid | Got it! a long time ago I shuffled (swapped) my partitions, and did some by-hand optification, including a symlink from /opt -> /home/opt. the ssu put a real folder back at /opt and some python in /opt/pymaemo | 07:27 |
| awwaiid | putting my symlink back (plus a reboot) fixed it | 07:28 |
| awwaiid | and the ssu fixed my ssh/screen/vim enter key! thanks maemo-ssu people :) | 07:29 |
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| awwaiid | what gave it away was a sudden brakage in apt-get update :) | 07:31 |
| Sc0rpius | heh | 07:36 |
| awwaiid | though i have that crazy modest-constantly-crashing bug, which I fixed previously by removing modest. comm ssu brought modest and the bug back, but removing modest removes mp-fremantle-community-pr which sounds important? | 07:38 |
| Sc0rpius | and here's another peak of my effort of "tree view" in modest | 07:40 |
| Sc0rpius | http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8630/screenshot2011013121390.png | 07:40 |
| Sc0rpius | how do you know your modest crashes? | 07:41 |
| microlith | hm | 07:41 |
| microlith | Sc0rpius: does gmail try to sync junk mail via imap for you? | 07:41 |
| Sc0rpius | only the headers but it doesn | 07:42 |
| Sc0rpius | it does | 07:42 |
| microlith | blah | 07:42 |
| Sc0rpius | modest checks for new messages in all folders, even Span and Trash | 07:42 |
| microlith | There's a mod, I should see if it's possible to add a list of folders to skip on imap sync | 07:43 |
| microlith | cause pop3 is just broken :? | 07:43 |
| microlith | :/ | 07:43 |
| Sc0rpius | I haven't ever tried a POP3 account in modest | 07:43 |
| Sc0rpius | but a POP3 should only synchronize the inbox folder and that's it, since there is no folders definition in POP3 at server level | 07:44 |
| microlith | I have one that gets auto forwarded stuff | 07:44 |
| microlith | precisely cause of the junk sync | 07:44 |
| awwaiid | because it says something like "email has crashed and will be restarted". I think at the time I tried from a shell too and couldn't get it to run long enough to diagnose stuff (ie disable accounts). maybe it was mfe related, can't recall | 07:44 |
| Sc0rpius | but I guess you're getting junk in the "inbox" folder? | 07:44 |
| microlith | no, it creates the folder and syncs 500+ items | 07:44 |
| microlith | unfortunately with pop3, it'll sit and not check for long periods of time despite a 5 minute sync, then randomly download every message in a huge mass | 07:45 |
| Sc0rpius | but it's weird, POP3 only syncs "inbox" | 07:45 |
| microlith | well | 07:45 |
| Sc0rpius | actually just "new messages in inbox" | 07:45 |
| microlith | right | 07:45 |
| Sc0rpius | it doens't even "sync" it just download the messages | 07:45 |
| microlith | maybe I'm phrasing this badly | 07:45 |
| microlith | I'm not using imap4 because it syncs junk mail | 07:46 |
| microlith | so instead I use pop3, which has its own problem | 07:46 |
| Sc0rpius | it doesn't sync junk mail | 07:46 |
| microlith | well | 07:46 |
| Sc0rpius | it just tells you there is junk mail there | 07:46 |
| microlith | right | 07:46 |
| microlith | and I don't even want to see that | 07:46 |
| Sc0rpius | unless you click on the folder, there is no sync involved | 07:46 |
| Sc0rpius | hmm and how do you that, for example, in Windows Live Mail or Thunderbird? | 07:46 |
| microlith | so it may be easier to add the feature I'm thinking of, rather than to fix the pop3 bug | 07:46 |
| Sc0rpius | 'cos I can't avoid that in any mail client I use | 07:47 |
| microlith | Sc0rpius: all pop3 | 07:47 |
| microlith | :/ | 07:47 |
| awwaiid | I'm off to bed, but will return in case you want to poke at my modest | 07:47 |
| Sc0rpius | POP3 = obsolete! | 07:47 |
| Sc0rpius | (and very insecure) | 07:47 |
| microlith | 'tis | 07:47 |
| awwaiid | thanks for the help :) | 07:47 |
| Sc0rpius | sure awwaiid nite | 07:47 |
| microlith | but I don't even want to be informed of junk, 500+ pieces of unread junk | 07:47 |
| microlith | heh | 07:47 |
| * Sc0rpius thinks | 07:47 | |
| Sc0rpius | modest doesn't show you unsubscribed folders | 07:47 |
| Sc0rpius | but of course, you must unsubscribe them using another client | 07:48 |
| Sc0rpius | if you use, for example, Thunderbird, and unsubscribe folders "junk" and "spam" and whatever | 07:48 |
| Sc0rpius | they will disappear from modest forever | 07:48 |
| microlith | really? | 07:48 |
| Sc0rpius | sure | 07:48 |
| microlith | I'll have to try that out | 07:48 |
| Sc0rpius | in my email account from work I unsubscribed "junk-mail" and "spam-mail" folders and I don't see 'em in my N900 | 07:49 |
| microlith | actually I'll try that right now then | 07:49 |
| Sc0rpius | but there's no way to unsuscribe them using modest, you have to use a PC client | 07:49 |
| microlith | right | 07:49 |
| microlith | and I can use thunderbird for that | 07:49 |
| Sc0rpius | I just unsubscribed another folder and re-confirmed it disappears in modest | 07:51 |
| microlith | cool | 07:51 |
| microlith | I had no idea that was even possible | 07:51 |
| Sc0rpius | acutally you know modest is kind of front-end of a mail client called tinymail | 07:52 |
| Sc0rpius | tinymail does a lot of stuff modest doesn't have GUI/configuration to do | 07:52 |
| Sc0rpius | that's why those kind of things work | 07:53 |
| microlith | oh | 07:53 |
| microlith | hmm | 07:53 |
| Sc0rpius | tinymail supports NNTP (news servers) and everything | 07:55 |
| microlith | I think I get why a lot of people don't like modest | 07:55 |
| Sc0rpius | modest can be great software | 07:55 |
| Sc0rpius | but it looks nobody is working on it | 07:55 |
| microlith | right | 07:55 |
| Sc0rpius | we have changed some stuff here | 07:55 |
| microlith | so I've been reading | 07:56 |
| microlith | good stuff | 07:56 |
| Sc0rpius | the good thing is that if we don't like something, we change it hehe | 07:57 |
| microlith | yup | 07:57 |
| Sc0rpius | I really hate I can't collapse my subfolders so that's what I'm working on now | 07:57 |
| Sc0rpius | another thing I should do is the ability to configure special folders | 08:04 |
| Jaffa | Morning all | 08:35 |
| microlith | crap, thunderbird is going to sync half a million headers :/ | 08:36 |
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| Jaffa | anidel: gitorious merge request is the best way; otherwise someone could pick up the patch off the issue and create one, or MohammadAG might merge the patch directly. | 10:27 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Hi evertone, I'd like to post this bug to irc also: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11843 | 11:54 |
| povbot | Bug 11843: Missing fields in Contacts for prefix, suffix and non alphabetical language phonetic transcription | 11:54 |
| Jaffa | hirabayashitaro: And these were in PR1.3? | 12:10 |
| hirabayashitaro | no, they were not | 12:10 |
| hirabayashitaro | in facts it is a new feature, i wrote bug, sorry... | 12:11 |
| Jaffa | Right, not really a CSSU issue, then? | 12:11 |
| Jaffa | And, AIUI, the Contacts app is closed source | 12:11 |
| hirabayashitaro | It's not very clear for me wich is the system behind maemo, expecially at this state of development. | 12:13 |
| hirabayashitaro | I think it is not clear at all who is responsible for what at this time | 12:13 |
| hirabayashitaro | and where a specific thing should be submitted | 12:13 |
| hirabayashitaro | can you please explain me to whom should I refer for this kind of thing? | 12:15 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Anyway, really... where can I find som information about the actual structure and development of maemo? | 12:37 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: for start, visit http://maemo.gitorious.org | 12:48 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Well, maybe I'm not able of undestanding these kind of stuff. I just hope that the community (the meego one also) could seriously evaluate the importance of that improvement and of the managing of the contacts in general, which is supposed to be basic on a cellphone. | 13:01 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: the MeeGo contacts reference application is open source. | 13:35 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-handset-ux/meego-handset-people | 13:36 |
| hirabayashitaro | I am sorry for being such a newbie, but it's not clear for me how to use gitorious services. Can you explain me waht informations can I obtain from it? | 13:37 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: you can obtain the full source code and the commit log. | 13:38 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: the user interface should be friendly enough | 13:38 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: well, I'd like to be a programmer but in fact I am a simple user with some good ideas for internationalization (I suppose). So my will is to inform the community that there are some issues needed to make the software more usable for people who have relationships/are living in non european countries, or at least more complete for the user. | 13:41 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: well if you try them out and have such ideas, open bug reports or enhancement requests at the relevant sites | 13:42 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: I'm trying to do so, but everyone don't miss me to inform that the thing could not be implemented because of a lack in some other part of the system | 13:44 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: http://bugs.meego.com/ is the site that you want for this | 13:45 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: anyway I already have a enhancement proposal in meego, so I hope that the person responsible for future planning will take in account the fact. What I am not understanding is the system behind the planning of features implementation, and why some things are passed under silence which is very frustrating for who commits bugs | 13:49 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: also a "not so important issue, will be evaluated in a far future relase" will be appreciated | 13:49 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: ask about these in #meego please. this channel is for the Maemo community ssu | 13:50 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: well, it happens the same in maemo anyway. And the proposal was done also in the maemo talk in which is been suggested me to contact the ssu community | 13:51 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: problem with Maemo is that these applications in it are closed source | 13:52 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: so they are supposed to be unchanged forever if not rewritten in open source? | 13:52 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: Because as far as I know nokia abandoned the development for them, isn't it? | 13:53 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: sadly, Nokia doesn't want to spend any more efforts on the Maemo closed source apps | 13:54 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: the best bet for this kind of thing is to hope that they'll get it right in MeeGo | 13:54 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: Just intalled the latest dev. version of meego yesterday, and been disappointed by the roughness of the thing. Nokia plans are obscure for me (and for many people). But the maemo situation is a little more clear thanks to you. Thanks a lot, and sorry for stealing you precious time. | 13:56 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: you didn't steal any of my time | 13:58 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: I like talking :) | 13:58 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: which version of MeeGo are you talking about? handset? | 13:58 |
| hirabayashitaro | Venemo: yes, the handset one | 13:59 |
| hirabayashitaro | let's move to meego room, you do mind? | 13:59 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: oh, yes, that is not intended for end users yet. | 13:59 |
| Venemo | hirabayashitaro: okay, I'm also there too | 13:59 |
| Jaffa | Thanks guys :-) | 14:03 |
| Venemo | yw Jaffa | 14:07 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, shall I close bug 11841? | 14:08 |
| povbot | Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11841 request: line-wrapping in email composer in modest | 14:08 |
| * MohammadAG wonders if he should push the patched libqt4-* packages into the SSU | 14:09 | |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Or move it to Modest | 14:11 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: The patched libqt4-*? | 14:11 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-16323 | 14:14 |
| Jaffa | Hmm, Qt's being actively maintained so I'd say that's a bit nasty | 14:15 |
| Jaffa | Maybe raise a Bugzilla entry for it and ping it over to the maintainer of the package? | 14:15 |
| MohammadAG | Jaffa, afaik libqt4 can't be updated without a new PR | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | libqtm can though | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | Ah | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | and there's a merge request | 14:16 |
| MohammadAG | http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/x11-maemo/merge_requests/5 | 14:16 |
| Jaffa | MohammadAG: Actually, better suggestion - raise it on maemo-developers about shipping fixed Qt. Foum Nokia guys like achipa and vivainio might have some knowledge of technical difficulties. | 14:25 |
| Jaffa | But a small bug fix should be OK, I think | 14:25 |
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| hirabayashitaro | Don't know if some future plan is to related to Qt mobility, but submitted post for it: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTMOBILITY-1083 | 15:26 |
| Jaffa | Who's an op? | 15:37 |
| * Jaffa wants: /topic Maemo Community SSU channel, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU. Known bugs: http://j.mp/communityssu-bugs | 15:38 | |
| X-Fade | Jaffa: lcuk, MohammadAG, DocScrutinizer ^^ | 15:39 |
| lcuk | remove the fullstop after the first link | 15:40 |
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| MohammadAG | hmm | 15:42 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer has op here o_O | 15:42 |
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| MohammadAG | -ChanServ- Flags +votriA were set on Jaffa in #maemo-ssu. | 15:43 |
| lcuk | jaffa, since andre__ said that the wiki and bugzilla links are there | 15:43 |
| lcuk | can you potentially put that grid onto a clean wiki page with some info above it | 15:43 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Last time I looked, you couldn't do arbitrary searches | 15:43 |
| lcuk | ahh Jaffa, perhaps andre__ will know of a way | 15:44 |
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| Jaffa | lcuk: I'll have a play at the top of Community_SSU/QA where the "Open bugs" link is | 15:45 |
| andre__ | I never looked into it, just remembering from the Maemo Sprint meetings that this also existed | 15:45 |
| lcuk | cool! | 15:45 |
| lcuk | andre__, I am really impressed by how it is being used on the dialer | 15:45 |
| andre__ | hehe | 15:46 |
| lcuk | loads of people curse at maintaining similar wiki pages to keepontop of their bugs | 15:46 |
| DocScrutinizer | MohammadAG: anything wrong with that? I guess it's been you who added me to accesslist. You're free to remove me any time | 15:50 |
| MohammadAG | DocScrutinizer, no, I just forgot I added ops here | 15:51 |
| Jaffa | lcuk: Something like http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/QA#Current_bugs ? | 15:56 |
| lcuk | :D impressive | 15:58 |
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| DocScrutinizer | how would I possibly create a redirect in wiki? (e.g from http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/ back to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU ;-D ) | 16:13 |
| DocScrutinizer | nm | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | #redirect http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=page | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | :-) | 16:19 |
| DocScrutinizer | friggin autotext feature of conversation! | 16:20 |
| DocScrutinizer | #redirect \[\[page]] | 16:20 |
| anidel | Morning all... | 16:25 |
| Jaffa | 'lo anidel | 16:26 |
| anidel | hey Jaffa | 16:27 |
| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I think I did something similar for Mer/ | 16:27 |
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| DocScrutinizer | Jaffa: yeah, done. works. check | 16:27 |
| DocScrutinizer | I just wonder now how to convince friggin mediawiki to #include subdir-link-table | 16:29 |
| DocScrutinizer | i.e a autogenerated list of href's derived from ""ls <pagename>/"" | 16:31 |
| DocScrutinizer | there's a vaguely similar concept for the footnotes/references | 16:32 |
| DocScrutinizer | but somewhat I feel odd with reinventing fs directory concept, on a system that has no notion whatsoever about directories | 16:34 |
| DocScrutinizer | I mean, for mediawiki there's zero difference between http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/QA#Current_bugs and http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU?¿___!QA#Current_bugs | 16:36 |
| DocScrutinizer | it's obviously a flat database without any concept of, or support for subdirectories | 16:37 |
| DocScrutinizer | ...or am I mistaken here? | 16:38 |
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| Jaffa | DocScrutinizer: AFAIK, you're correct | 18:52 |
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