| eLtMosen | more like collectig idas from the users, right? | 00:00 |
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| juiceme | we could solicitate for software/features people like, and then concentrate on top few poularest ideas and ask for donation campaign on those | 00:00 |
| eLtMosen | cool | 00:01 |
| sicelo | agreeing | 00:02 |
| eLtMosen | donations bound to the software/feature. if not done split those dedicted donations to all other participants | 00:02 |
| juiceme | something like that, needs to be thought over | 00:03 |
| eLtMosen | like 10 people give 200€ for Neverdonedynium turn-by-turn nav. will not happen. money is distributed to al others. | 00:04 |
| juiceme | btw, completely different topic, my cat's snoring really loud on the sofa table :) | 00:04 |
| juiceme | eLtMosen, yes | 00:04 |
| sicelo | :p | 00:05 |
| eLtMosen | I feel we are the ones to connect users and devs somehow | 00:05 |
| juiceme | that is the job of the council, mostly | 00:06 |
| juiceme | even back then when Nokia was in the sticks | 00:06 |
| eLtMosen | so 1. ask the users, 2. support the devs. | 00:07 |
| juiceme | do you have any ideas, just top of the head what people would like to suport? | 00:07 |
| eLtMosen | someone who maintaines yt player for instance | 00:08 |
| sicelo | many want WhatsApp more than anything else | 00:08 |
| eLtMosen | ah, i see ytplayer is already maintained. lol god to have mentioned and looke on openrepos afterwards. lol | 00:09 |
| juiceme | hmm yes whatsapp and the kind. | 00:09 |
| eLtMosen | lol, and i am using the deprecated version from 2 years ago loool | 00:09 |
| juiceme | I really am not into those but everyone's free to drink their own poison | 00:09 |
| sicelo | we do have the wishlist from the last regatta .. cna give us clues | 00:09 |
| sicelo | https://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo.org_Coding_Competition_2016#Wishlist | 00:10 |
| eLtMosen | right! but i would not hold our puny heads over the crowd of users. lets simplyask openly | 00:10 |
| juiceme | sicelo, I had all but forgotten about that! :) | 00:11 |
| eLtMosen | in preperation of the regatta yadi yadi,please submit your idea for yadi yadi, tmo post | 00:11 |
| juiceme | something along those lines | 00:11 |
| eLtMosen | Lets simply call it "feature bounty" part of the regatta ? | 00:12 |
| eLtMosen | like wishlist extended by dedicated donations | 00:13 |
| eLtMosen | and more longer prior notice for that part of the competition | 00:13 |
| sicelo | i support the overall idea. | 00:16 |
| eLtMosen | thanks sicelo, feels good | 00:16 |
| juiceme | :) | 00:17 |
| eLtMosen | i would like it to be a plus and not remove any of the coolness of last regatta. Only an addition. | 00:17 |
| juiceme | we did get some lovely participations, only too bad we could not reward all! | 00:19 |
| sicelo | yes indeed! | 00:20 |
| eLtMosen | haha, i take my statement regarding jolla donation back. i will ask james | 00:20 |
| sicelo | on tmo, jolla forum seems to be the most active compared to Maemo | 00:21 |
| sicelo | one last thing from me tonight - twitter. so reinob gave me the credentials for the council's account. | 00:21 |
| juiceme | good. did you try it yet? | 00:23 |
| sicelo | yes, it works. i responded to a gentleman who had issues with HTTPS on tmo a while back | 00:24 |
| eLtMosen | sicelo, yes, but as council we are on the watch by many users for good reasons not to associate official business to much with jolla. | 00:24 |
| juiceme | nice! | 00:24 |
| sicelo | so i'm guessing if there's anything tweet-worthy at any time, you'll let me know | 00:24 |
| sicelo | if i think something's worth a tweet, will info you here first, or email :) | 00:26 |
| sicelo | *inform | 00:26 |
| juiceme | yes. | 00:27 |
| eLtMosen | very good, i think we should be as verbose as possible. if i rework the minutes we could tweet them after every meeting. | 00:27 |
| sicelo | awesome. | 00:27 |
| * sicelo remebmers the MWKN days :) | 00:27 | |
| eLtMosen | there are many users inactive on tmo but very activ eon twitter | 00:27 |
| eLtMosen | like i found cosimo to be an imprtant membr in the past. he is very active in Chaos computer Club now and asked me what to do with his n950 | 00:28 |
| eLtMosen | i suggsted to donate to last coding competition :P do not know if he did.did he? | 00:29 |
| juiceme | wot, ho does have no use for it? | 00:29 |
| eLtMosen | "hacker" lol | 00:30 |
| sicelo | i remember the nick | 00:30 |
| juiceme | that's a strange thing for a ccc'er | 00:30 |
| eLtMosen | actally he as the one collecting first paypal dinations for maemo.org in 2012 | 00:30 |
| juiceme | ah | 00:31 |
| eLtMosen | nick was actually zehjotkah and the last post on tmo looks like he never went away.... | 00:32 |
| juiceme | mmh yes, fundraising has always been a top priority :) | 00:34 |
| eLtMosen | http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1319909#post1319909 | 00:34 |
| eLtMosen | anyway, usebase is shrinking, right. the only thing we can do against is be more verbose and connect users and devs and support both | 00:35 |
| sicelo | yes :-) | 00:38 |
| sicelo | overall i am impressed with how far we've come. | 00:39 |
| sicelo | and to see the effort that different people are still putting into maemo/n900/n9/etc. | 00:39 |
| eLtMosen | i am thinking often how to make the community futureproof | 00:39 |
| juiceme | is pretty difficut unless we can attract new people, too | 00:40 |
| eLtMosen | we have to be ready or at least alive if the giants tumble and leave a digital ground zero :p | 00:40 |
| sicelo | i also think it's very difficult becausse of two reasons | 00:41 |
| sicelo | 1) hardware - the original hardware on which maemo runs is aged now. | 00:41 |
| eLtMosen | agreed | 00:42 |
| sicelo | 2) even the software is aged. patching helps, but there's a limit to how far you can get | 00:42 |
| sicelo | that's why, as much as some aren't exactly happy about the current devuan-maemo/hildon effort going on (i'm jealous too, haha), it does seem to the best way forward | 00:43 |
| juiceme | I need to go now. | 00:45 |
| sicelo | o/ | 00:45 |
| juiceme | sicelo you have very valid points there | 00:45 |
| sicelo | it is late indeed. i'd be happy if we end it here :-) | 00:45 |
| juiceme | but, night! | 00:45 |
| eLtMosen | haha, sure! gn8 to you! Only one sentence to not let you sleep. Maybe we need to start to fight for maemo ideas, not code. | 00:47 |
| sicelo | :-) | 00:48 |
| sicelo | we'll need to define "maemo ideas" first | 00:49 |
| eLtMosen | exactly ;) | 00:49 |
| eLtMosen | o/ | 00:49 |
| Sveta | thank you chem|st | 01:17 |
| Sveta | eLtMosen, i had idea of unifying bug trackers, so that newcomers can find bugs to fix more easily, for any app | 01:17 |
| Sveta | some app have bug tracker at github, another at bitbucket, another manual notes in email, another at tmo. if put into the same bug tracker for all apps, makes it easier to engage one app dev or user into helping out | 01:18 |
| eLtMosen | That is a great idea. Practically, do you mean to set up a new bugtracker system or do you see a maemo.org feature already in place that could be utilized? | 01:22 |
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| Sveta | eLtMosen: hang on a few mins please | 01:30 |
| Sveta | for example http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/stargus/ says to report bug at https://bugs.launchpad.net/stargus and http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/modrana/ says to report bug at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58861 | 01:32 |
| Sveta | it would also be very easy if we host all source codes in one place, and | 01:32 |
| Sveta | I think we have existing infrastructure for code and bug tracker | 01:32 |
| Sveta | for example there is https://bugs.maemo.org/query.cgi and https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/?atid=3189&group_id=851&func=browse | 01:34 |
| Sveta | garage hosts code and bugs, it maybe is a good platform | 01:35 |
| Sveta | for example, stargus developer likes to use launchpad, you could invite him to move over to garage, -or- you could write a script which imports tickets from launchpad to garage | 01:36 |
| Sveta | but modrana developer uses talk.maemo.org for bug tracking, this is harder to import | 01:36 |
| Sveta | modrana tmo page links to https://nlp.fi.muni.cz/trac/gps_navigace/newticket for adding new bug, this requires separate signup and login | 01:37 |
| Sveta | https://nlp.fi.muni.cz/trac/gps_navigace/report/1 has a list, many bugs, maybe it is possible to import | 01:38 |
| Sveta | eLtMosen: I think that's about it.. | 01:38 |
| eLtMosen | I am all in for using existing infra to unify the general user experience. How can council help? Where to start? | 01:42 |
| Sveta | eLtMosen: I think in such cases, it is good idea to ask around, to find what the users and developers want | 01:42 |
| Sveta | whether developers are ok with moving to garage or having their issue tracker mirrored at garage | 01:43 |
| Sveta | I am novice, I do not know what council role can be, but I saw your comment and this is one barrier.. | 01:43 |
| Sveta | there is two more barriers.. I will tell you the harder one, it would be nice if we had maemo VMs available from a web page as a demo, for users to know what maemo feels like and for developers to request access to a non-demo (developer) account that does not get reset every 24 hours ... I wanted to set up a VM on my home computer but this was an ubuntu live cd and it was not straightforward at all | 01:44 |
| eLtMosen | We as council can at least check back with tech staff for viability and help ;) | 01:47 |
| Sveta | there is also language barrier, lots of the site is english only, but I think this is a different field entirely ... having the VM and unified code hosting / bug tracker would already be nice, if someone wants it .. | 01:54 |
| Sveta | maybe first step find out what others want .. I joined the meeting late, other people are already gone (?) | 01:55 |
| eLtMosen | yes, meeting started 19:00 utc already | 01:55 |
| eLtMosen | but this is logged so anyone can see later | 01:56 |
| Sveta | yes I think I should be here for few days, maybe over a week, open to discussions and questions | 01:56 |
| eLtMosen | Finding out why people do not use garage is a good way to start. i would have suggested if you had not brought it up. | 02:00 |
| Sveta | :) | 02:15 |
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