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| juiceme | About meeting times; We agreed to be based on CET, which means we follow the wall-clock hanging somewhere in middle-of-europe I think. | 09:58 |
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| juiceme | so, meeting tonight will be 21:00 CET, which is same as 22:00 EET (finland) and 07:00 AEDT (Sydney) | 10:01 |
| gry | so | 11:03 |
| gry | this is 11 hours after now? | 11:03 |
| gry | juiceme, ^^ | 11:03 |
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| eekkelund | gry, it is 6.5h from this moment :) | 15:29 |
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| Win7Mac | errr... last I remember, meeting time was 20:30, since when its 21:00? | 20:56 |
| eekkelund | Win7Mac, yea I thought so but I was confused by juiceme :D | 21:31 |
| Win7Mac | me too | 21:32 |
| Win7Mac | * Topic for #maemo-meeting is: Next Council meeting next Tuesday 21:00CET/CEST | livelog at http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-meeting-irclog/ | 21:33 |
| Win7Mac | * Topic for #maemo-meeting set by juiceme!~juice@Maemo/community/council/juiceme (Sat Oct 17 14:09:34 2015) | 21:33 |
| Win7Mac | dude changes time secretly... ;) | 21:34 |
| eekkelund | :D haha | 21:35 |
| Win7Mac | eekke, R U satisfied how CC evolves? | 21:37 |
| Win7Mac | and what do think about https://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1517670&postcount=3? | 21:40 |
| Win7Mac | *do you think | 21:40 |
| eekkelund | I think I am:) What bout you? Oh I have missed that one | 21:45 |
| Win7Mac | good | 21:45 |
| Win7Mac | I thought maybe we should make some more noise | 21:46 |
| eekkelund | hmm how I see it, is that the beginner category is for those who havent published any app for these platforms. Because I think it could lower the bar and beginners wouldnt be so scared?:D | 21:47 |
| eekkelund | YES, we need mor noise! | 21:47 |
| eekkelund | Which leads us our first(I hope) topic today: | 21:47 |
| eekkelund | James asked that | 21:47 |
| eekkelund | Hey Eetu! | 21:48 |
| eekkelund | I would want to do a social media "push" for TMO coding competition. Do you have a preferred wording for it? :) | 21:48 |
| Win7Mac | great! :) | 21:48 |
| eekkelund | So we should think something | 21:48 |
| eekkelund | I am not that creative/good in sales | 21:48 |
| eekkelund | markieting | 21:48 |
| Win7Mac | I also do think marmistrz is no beginner | 21:48 |
| Win7Mac | re marketing: let him do the wording and let him send it to us for review | 21:50 |
| Win7Mac | no PR experts in council I guess... | 21:51 |
| eekkelund | I said to him that we will discuss about it today in meeting and I will report tomorrow :) | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | ok | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | you may also want to include chem|st in the convo | 21:51 |
| eekkelund | yes :) | 21:52 |
| Win7Mac | he sourced to Jolla C | 21:52 |
| eekkelund | chem|st ping | 21:52 |
| Win7Mac | as donation for pricepool | 21:52 |
| eekkelund | Yea :) | 21:52 |
| Win7Mac | he's in contact with him too | 21:52 |
| eekkelund | I know :) | 21:53 |
| Win7Mac | goood | 21:54 |
| eekkelund | Do you have any improvements suggestions towards cc?:) | 22:02 |
| Win7Mac | hmmm... 1st of all, Im no coder :( | 22:03 |
| eekkelund | Yet* ;) | 22:03 |
| Win7Mac | hehe | 22:04 |
| Win7Mac | no | 22:04 |
| eekkelund | You would fit perfectly to Beginners category :) | 22:04 |
| Win7Mac | only thing i ever scripted is my N9 LPM settings | 22:05 |
| Win7Mac | (Billboard) | 22:05 |
| Win7Mac | with the help of others ofc... | 22:06 |
| eekkelund | Never too late | 22:06 |
| eekkelund | You can develop some script :D | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | anyway, where's the other dudes? | 22:08 |
| eekkelund | :/ | 22:09 |
| eekkelund | late | 22:09 |
| Win7Mac | just sent a reminder | 22:09 |
| eekkelund | nice thanks :) | 22:09 |
| Win7Mac | I would like to discuss google captcha | 22:09 |
| eekkelund | Yea, pavi approached me in Telegram I told him he should make thread to TMO :) | 22:10 |
| Win7Mac | or the possibility to use opensource alternative | 22:10 |
| Win7Mac | there already is: | 22:10 |
| Win7Mac | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=1517783#post1517783 | 22:11 |
| eekkelund | Before that there were: | 22:11 |
| eekkelund | https://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=98029 | 22:11 |
| eekkelund | Couple days before that | 22:11 |
| Win7Mac | right | 22:11 |
| Win7Mac | from wht i've googled, there are opensource alternatives | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | but we need to check back with techstaff + chem|st | 22:13 |
| eekkelund | Or better to use some "What is blaa blaa"? | 22:14 |
| eekkelund | Yea | 22:14 |
| juiceme | hi! | 22:14 |
| Win7Mac | yea, even other alternatives | 22:14 |
| Win7Mac | juice, hi! | 22:14 |
| eekkelund | Hi! | 22:14 |
| juiceme | okay, first some current info, there's been a few more donations tallying up to 376,75 euros now | 22:18 |
| Win7Mac | still not that much... | 22:18 |
| juiceme | well, give it time :) | 22:19 |
| eekkelund | Woo, it is something !:) | 22:19 |
| juiceme | and it almost covers the devices already purchased by the community as prizes | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | sure it's ok so far | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | and 4 SFOS devices so far | 22:22 |
| juiceme | about the captcha; something is needed but we all pretty much agree it should not be *google* captcha if possible to avoid that. | 22:22 |
| Win7Mac | right | 22:22 |
| juiceme | how does it technically work; what data does it actually leak to google? | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | who can tell? | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | I mean, who knows? | 22:25 |
| Win7Mac | probably everything they can gather | 22:26 |
| juiceme | mmh, so basically when a site uses it embedded in a page it will slurp in all it can about the user, makes sense. I doubt it can get the actual username and email address but sure it will cookie up so it knows when the same user does captcha again, and maybe when uses other google services? | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | i really have no clue, but i consider google more or less evil | 22:31 |
| Win7Mac | http://tympanus.net/codrops/2009/09/22/21-free-captcha-sources/ | 22:33 |
| Win7Mac | huh, that link is from 2009/09/22... | 22:34 |
| juiceme | well, some things age well :) | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:35 |
| juiceme | but yes, if we can host the captcha on TMO servers, then it'd be much more secure | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | reputation is king i guess | 22:35 |
| juiceme | lots of captchas on that page :) | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | and maybe, just maybe, we can get that as requirement for links in 1st post for new users or something? | 22:37 |
| eekkelund | Do we need captcha, could it be just some question like "What was the first public Harmattan device?" | 22:38 |
| eekkelund | etc | 22:38 |
| juiceme | that too | 22:38 |
| juiceme | could reall ybe better than captcha, proves that the person really has interest | 22:38 |
| Win7Mac | probably also for Tor users instead of simply blocking TOR exit nodes? | 22:39 |
| juiceme | I guess we cannot get rid of the blacklists whatever happens, and that means also some Tor exit nodes are blocked | 22:40 |
| Win7Mac | like all IPs from blacklisted TOR exits ONLY get prompted with such kind of approval? | 22:40 |
| juiceme | since it is pretty automatic you will end up on blacklists if you run Tor exit node, happened to me too | 22:40 |
| juiceme | well you cannot know whether a blacklisted IP is a Tor exit point | 22:41 |
| juiceme | many are, but many are not | 22:41 |
| Win7Mac | sare you sure? | 22:41 |
| juiceme | it's a kind of misconception; "TMO is blocking Tor" when that is not true, TMO is blocking blacklisted IP's | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | I grasped that! | 22:42 |
| juiceme | and many Tor exit points get on blacklists | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | understood | 22:42 |
| juiceme | that is true | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | arent' they "categorized" | 22:43 |
| juiceme | I think not | 22:44 |
| Win7Mac | :( | 22:45 |
| juiceme | for tht reason I was advocating the way, to create a hidden service address (talk.maemo.onion) and route that from Tor to TMO. | 22:47 |
| Win7Mac | then let's do it | 22:47 |
| juiceme | I'll have to study it a bit, if it is possible to do without having a Tor node inside our firewalls. (that sure would drive admins nuts!) | 22:48 |
| juiceme | but I guess I could probably run it as a vpn tunnel from my network | 22:49 |
| juiceme | if done carefully it should be fairly safe | 22:49 |
| Win7Mac | whatever suits best, let's make this an official point and readress techstaff + chem|st AGAIN | 22:50 |
| juiceme | yes. | 22:50 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, you still here? | 22:50 |
| juiceme | we'll put that as an action point in the minutes, assign to me. | 22:51 |
| Win7Mac | seems so | 22:56 |
| eekkelund | Here! | 22:56 |
| Win7Mac | dang! | 22:57 |
| juiceme | :) | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | let's vote to take immediate action and re-adress techstaff + chem|st regarding: | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | - TOR issue | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | - CAPTCHA alternative/other verification | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | and yeah, spam issue isn't really satisfying | 22:59 |
| juiceme | I vote yes for both solving Tor issue and moving away from google captcha | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | I suggest juice to contact them | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | and ideally, present alt. solutions | 23:00 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:00 |
| eekkelund | I vote yes for both, prefer not captcha but some question(s) | 23:01 |
| Win7Mac | good | 23:01 |
| eekkelund | I go little bit back in time if this is solved?:) | 23:03 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, please engage. Anything we can help with that? | 23:03 |
| eekkelund | I came back from the past :D Will go again after this topic :) | 23:04 |
| juiceme | hmm, I'll ponder about the .onion thing | 23:04 |
| juiceme | replacing the captcha with a questionnaire should be doable easily | 23:04 |
| Win7Mac | would be lovely | 23:04 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, u time-travelling-now? | 23:05 |
| eekkelund | There could be different questions like "What is Jolla's operating system?" And that harmattan question etc. etc. Nopt same everytime? | 23:06 |
| juiceme | exactly, a whole bank of maemo-related questions should be no trouble to assemble. | 23:07 |
| eekkelund | Okay so do you have any preferred wording for James. He is going to give little 'push' for it :) | 23:07 |
| juiceme | ah, that one. | 23:07 |
| juiceme | what kind of words he needs? | 23:07 |
| eekkelund | I promised to report what we will manage to think | 23:07 |
| eekkelund | he said: | 23:08 |
| juiceme | you have the same topic as in our Community Section also on TJC, so maybe suggest he looks that over and writes something? | 23:08 |
| eekkelund | something like a change to win JollaC in Maemo CC... | 23:09 |
| eekkelund | there will be two differnet kind of versions | 23:09 |
| eekkelund | one less than140 chars and other longer :) | 23:09 |
| Win7Mac | I believe he will do fine, let him write something and ideally, let us look over it before going public | 23:13 |
| eekkelund | Okay :) What juiceme thinks? | 23:14 |
| Win7Mac | though, he for sure will highlight the Jolla side, not the maemo part | 23:14 |
| eekkelund | Yea true | 23:15 |
| Win7Mac | and that's where we're lacking prices so far | 23:15 |
| Win7Mac | N9 too | 23:15 |
| eekkelund | n9 and some smartwatch !:) | 23:17 |
| Win7Mac | twatches? ;) | 23:17 |
| eekkelund | :DD | 23:17 |
| eekkelund | Wll asteroidos is one platform and is highlighted in wiki..:) | 23:18 |
| juiceme | smartwatches would be nice, as for example I wouldn't go and buy me one of those :) | 23:18 |
| Win7Mac | never... | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | I would wear anything like that | 23:19 |
| eekkelund | kido said that LG G would be the best if one wants nicest asteroid os experience :) | 23:19 |
| juiceme | I'd love to get one of these; http://smartwatches.org/learn/smartwatches-with-the-best-battery-life/ | 23:22 |
| juiceme | since I absolutely hate charging da beasties | 23:22 |
| juiceme | sure they are not as powerful as the "normal" smartwatches but I don't need to watch video or take calls with the watch :) | 23:24 |
| eekkelund | who makes decissions to buy devices? Do we even have money to buy N9s and smartwatch? | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | MC eV board (chem|st, juiceme + me) | 23:27 |
| juiceme | depends on the amount donated. And how much to use from existing funds | 23:27 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:27 |
| eekkelund | Okay so you guys know my wish :) | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | :) | 23:27 |
| eekkelund | THEN | 23:27 |
| eekkelund | we have to also decide how we are going to split prizes :D | 23:28 |
| eekkelund | but maybe that is too soon still | 23:28 |
| Win7Mac | well, wishes are for free... | 23:28 |
| eekkelund | haha :D | 23:28 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:28 |
| Win7Mac | smartwatches, really? | 23:28 |
| juiceme | yes, how about something along this idea; the first ones in every category pick what they want, then the next ones and so on, as long as prizes are available? | 23:29 |
| juiceme | In ideal case there'd be same number of contestants and prizes :) :) | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | maybe we should add smartwatch category? | 23:30 |
| eekkelund | Win7Mac asteroid os! :( It is big thing ( for me atleast :D) | 23:30 |
| juiceme | as a programming category? | 23:30 |
| eekkelund | AsteroidOS is mer-based | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | i was kidding | 23:30 |
| eekkelund | :) | 23:31 |
| juiceme | well, you *could* make apps for smartwatches, and if asteroid is mer-based it kind of quoalifies... | 23:31 |
| juiceme | :p | 23:31 |
| Win7Mac | smapps? | 23:32 |
| Win7Mac | :P | 23:32 |
| juiceme | so maybe somebody will write a beginner-application for AsteroisOS | 23:32 |
| juiceme | twat-apps :9 :) | 23:33 |
| Win7Mac | haha, exactly! | 23:33 |
| eekkelund | there is already one wish at wishlist: AsteroidOS client for SFOS | 23:33 |
| eekkelund | ofc it qualifies? :( | 23:34 |
| Win7Mac | all fine to me | 23:34 |
| eekkelund | :) | 23:34 |
| * juiceme congratulates self for just winning 3rd place in this months photo competition :) | 23:35 | |
| eekkelund | Gz!:) | 23:36 |
| juiceme | not bad :) | 23:36 |
| Win7Mac | Congrats! | 23:38 |
| Win7Mac | though I can't understand this result | 23:41 |
| Win7Mac | from a DP's POV, there's been much better pics | 23:41 |
| juiceme | oh? | 23:42 |
| juiceme | well this is vote by majority, people value different things | 23:42 |
| Win7Mac | the low field of view is remarkeble | 23:42 |
| Win7Mac | sure | 23:42 |
| Win7Mac | äääh depth of field | 23:43 |
| juiceme | DOF, yes | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | DOF | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | I really liked the Nature motivs | 23:44 |
| juiceme | macro shots always are nice playfield for controlled DOF. and even as phone cameras usually have really hadr time getting narrow DOF in these cases it is good | 23:45 |
| Win7Mac | like 1, 6, 7, 8, 11, 14,17,18 | 23:45 |
| juiceme | there's many good nature pics yes | 23:45 |
| juiceme | what's remarkable I think, technically the most pleasing pictures were made with N9. | 23:46 |
| Win7Mac | you def. win in shallow DOF! | 23:46 |
| juiceme | which really rocks, IMHO :) | 23:46 |
| Win7Mac | I had my try here: | 23:47 |
| juiceme | I kind of guess the winning shot did get some points just by being done with 808 | 23:47 |
| juiceme | sorry, no, that was not the winner! | 23:48 |
| juiceme | it ended in the 2nd place | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | finally found it: https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/s/fl8au9zjdh1yguo/13070049_3x2_LQ.jpg | 23:49 |
| juiceme | 1st place was also N9 :) | 23:49 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, really painting-like photo! | 23:50 |
| juiceme | the flower reaches towards light | 23:50 |
| Win7Mac | http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=1361459&postcount=81 | 23:50 |
| Win7Mac | I modded the lens... | 23:51 |
| Win7Mac | but with N9! | 23:51 |
| juiceme | you got really nice flare in the picture! | 23:51 |
| Win7Mac | and no photoshop | 23:51 |
| juiceme | and yes, N9 really really rocks in the camera department | 23:52 |
| Win7Mac | yeah, that comes from the cheap plastic lens | 23:52 |
| juiceme | lomography :) | 23:52 |
| Win7Mac | DOF was milimeters, 1 out of 5 pics was sharp... | 23:53 |
| juiceme | cheapo-single-element lenses give so aetheral-looking results | 23:53 |
| eekkelund | Sorry I didn't contribute to picture discussion:( But I did this while you were discussing | 23:53 |
| eekkelund | http://maemo.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=135050#p135050 | 23:53 |
| juiceme | just proves that in photography the quoality of tools does not ictate the end result, it is ow you use your tools | 23:53 |
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| juiceme | eekkelund, good, some visibility in the russion community too! | 23:54 |
| Win7Mac2 | oops, I missed eekelunds post? | 23:55 |
| Win7Mac2 | got disconnected | 23:56 |
| eekkelund | My gf translated it :D and btw helped with typos in english version :) | 23:56 |
| eekkelund | 23:53 < eekkelund> Sorry I didn't contribute to picture discussion:( But I did this while you were discussing | 23:56 |
| eekkelund | 23:53 < eekkelund> http://maemo.su/forum/viewtopic.php?pid=135050#p135050 | 23:56 |
| eekkelund | Win7Mac2 | 23:56 |
| eekkelund | So my gf have done also her part of this competition to happen :DD | 23:56 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, excellent | 23:57 |
| Win7Mac2 | whow, who runs that place? | 23:57 |
| eekkelund | I think Kirill | 23:57 |
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| eekkelund | Kirill Chuvilin | 23:57 |
| eekkelund | ? | 23:57 |
| juiceme | why is it .su and not .ru ? | 23:57 |
| eekkelund | mystery | 23:58 |
| juiceme | heh | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac2 | hehe | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac2 | he mistyped... ;) | 23:58 |
| juiceme | :P | 23:59 |
| juiceme | that'd be mistype really, in domain registering! | 23:59 |
| eekkelund | Yea he is MaemoWorld.ru founder which seems to be mother site of maemo.su forum | 23:59 |
| juiceme | though I can see that also happening, when in hurry | 23:59 |
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