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| juiceme | hey-ho | 21:11 |
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| reinob | ho-hey | 21:29 |
| juiceme | rare event, I was first on the channel :) | 21:32 |
| reinob | :) | 21:32 |
| juiceme | how's things there? | 21:34 |
| reinob | all OK. only the weather is shitty | 21:34 |
| juiceme | I've had to revert my daly driver back to sbj1 for the time being, ran across a load of upgrade problems with my Nexus5 | 21:35 |
| juiceme | weather's bad here too, windy&cold. | 21:35 |
| juiceme | yesterday morning -1, this morning +4 | 21:36 |
| reinob | I've updated my Jolla1, but my daily driver is still an Android. Won't get any more updates though. I should start planning for the future again.. | 21:36 |
| juiceme | I tried the OTA update for my nexus from Aurajoki to Fiskarsinjoki twice, but due to a (possible) dbus bug the update takes hours and is prone to fail... well mine failed both times. | 21:42 |
| juiceme | Then I rebuilt 2.0.4.13 image, it boots well but is not very stable; the shop hangs :( | 21:43 |
| juiceme | now I rebooted to 2.0.2.48 again and tried a different thing, updating dbus first and then rest of it (a supposed workaround) | 21:44 |
| juiceme | the verdict is still out whether it succeeds, the device is at work still waiting when I left :) | 21:45 |
| reinob | dbus, systemd, ... things were much simpler a few years ago | 21:45 |
| juiceme | indeed. Just today I really bitched about systemd to a colleague | 21:45 |
| reinob | I try not to be bothered with it (because it mostly works). But every now and then there's some new "feature" or quirk which requires lots of testing and trial and error until it works. | 21:46 |
| juiceme | the bloody thing is way too complicated; we have a problem in cloud environment that systemd corrupts some syslogs in a certain configuration :( | 21:46 |
| reinob | I had issues getting and ipv6 address from my router while forwarding was on | 21:46 |
| juiceme | I also ran across the same thing, corrupting logs, in a different environmment (one of our embedded products) last year | 21:47 |
| reinob | it tries to be too smart and override things that other programs -- or the kernel itself -- did. so it gets in the way too often | 21:47 |
| juiceme | so I think it is systemd and not the way we use it :( | 21:47 |
| juiceme | indeed. | 21:47 |
| reinob | I'll be back in a while (10 min or so) | 21:48 |
| juiceme | why o why it needs to be so pervasive? | 21:48 |
| juiceme | we had 40 years of sysv-init and it works allright | 21:48 |
| juiceme | ok,, see ya | 21:48 |
| reinob | sysvinit was/is also a big mess. but easier to figure out the cause of errors | 22:01 |
| juiceme | yes, since it adhered to the unix principles; single bit of software does a single thing | 22:08 |
| juiceme | not trying to be a catch-it-all so big that no-one understands how it is supposed to work | 22:08 |
| reinob | guess nobody else will show up.. | 22:32 |
| reinob | tomorrow I have an oral hearing w/ Nokia :) | 22:33 |
| juiceme | I guess nothing really to discuss since we just had the MCeV meeting day before yesterday | 22:33 |
| juiceme | oh? what's the agenda then? | 22:33 |
| reinob | they want a patent (filed 1999). I say no. tomorrow we fight :) | 22:34 |
| reinob | cant say more now | 22:34 |
| juiceme | I really don't even know what is an oral hearing, sounds ominous :) | 22:34 |
| juiceme | ah, good. I hope it's not one of my patents :) | 22:34 |
| reinob | mündliche verhandlung sounds worse :) | 22:34 |
| reinob | browser w/ voice control | 22:35 |
| juiceme | but yes, if I remember correctly I filed none before '00 | 22:35 |
| reinob | it's a shame it's taken so long, but I only inherited the application a while ago.. | 22:36 |
| juiceme | well, voice control is old stuff, probably sticking it in a browser does not make it an innovation :) | 22:36 |
| reinob | sort of. sometimes you do have ideas that sound trivial but are patentable. sometimes the opposite.. | 22:41 |
| juiceme | yes, I suppose so | 22:41 |
| reinob | you have patents (or applications) with your name? | 22:41 |
| juiceme | yes, unfortunately so :) | 22:42 |
| reinob | Ill have to do a quick search someday :) | 22:42 |
| juiceme | at one point of time we were encouraged to patent just about anything :) | 22:42 |
| juiceme | just to build up the company patent portfolio | 22:43 |
| reinob | some say its a good strategy... | 22:43 |
| reinob | but it feels wrong :) | 22:43 |
| juiceme | well, lately I have had a turn of heart, I really don't approve it a lot nowdays since it can be used as corporaate blunt instrument | 22:44 |
| juiceme | patenting *real* inventions is good | 22:44 |
| juiceme | but the way it is often used, huh! | 22:45 |
| reinob | right | 22:45 |
| reinob | I guess it's time to say good night... | 22:53 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:55 |
| juiceme | gnite then! | 22:56 |
| reinob | bye! | 22:58 |
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