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| Win7Mac | goodeveningeverybody ;) | 21:39 |
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| pichlo | Hi everyone, amilate? ;) | 21:41 |
| Win7Mac | yes you are... | 21:41 |
| Win7Mac | still 2nd... | 21:41 |
| reinob | hallo | 21:45 |
| Win7Mac | hiya! | 21:46 |
| pichlo | allo allo | 21:46 |
| Win7Mac | just sent reminder, hopefully juiceme shows up today | 21:46 |
| reinob | what are the points for today? | 21:47 |
| reinob | GA? | 21:47 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 21:48 |
| Win7Mac | on https://garage.maemo.org/admin/approve-pending.php I also get that ugly | 21:48 |
| Win7Mac | "Error. Permission denied" message. | 21:48 |
| pichlo | I have no opinion on GA whatsoever. | 21:49 |
| Win7Mac | pichlo, you're not an e.V. member, right? | 21:49 |
| Win7Mac | then you're not "invited" (as member, to vote for directors), only as guest | 21:50 |
| pichlo | Phew, that's a relief! Does it mean I do not HAVE to have an olinion? ;) | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | unless you hurry up and file that application form to chem|st or juiceme | 21:51 |
| pichlo | *opinion | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | no ;) | 21:51 |
| Win7Mac | I mean: yes | 21:52 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 21:52 |
| pichlo | 'no' it does not mean that or 'no' I don't? ;) | 21:52 |
| reinob | sorry, little family crisis :) will be back in 10min or so | 21:52 |
| Win7Mac | sorry to hear | 21:52 |
| pichlo | good luck | 21:52 |
| pichlo | I also get permission denied on garage | 21:53 |
| eekkelund | evening, sorry to be late! | 21:55 |
| Win7Mac | likely due to us not being in the council group | 21:55 |
| Win7Mac | hi eekke... | 21:55 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 21:56 |
| juiceme | hiya all! | 21:59 |
| juiceme | pichlo :) | 21:59 |
| pichlo | hi juiceme | 21:59 |
| eekkelund | Hi Win7Mac, hi juiceme, hi pichlo and hi reinob :) | 21:59 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac :) | 21:59 |
| reinob | I'm back | 21:59 |
| juiceme | eekkelund :) | 21:59 |
| pichlo | wow, that makes all 5 of us | 21:59 |
| juiceme | reinob :) | 22:00 |
| juiceme | I have been off for the past 2 meetings, but now am in :) | 22:00 |
| reinob | full house :) | 22:00 |
| reinob | juiceme: can you do anything about the permissions in garage.maemo.org/admin? | 22:01 |
| reinob | I tried to ping Jörg, as he offered, but didn't get around to talking to him | 22:01 |
| Win7Mac | hi all, nice we're "full"... | 22:01 |
| Win7Mac | juice should be able | 22:02 |
| juiceme | I think the guy to sort out the maemo access thingy is merlin1991 | 22:03 |
| Win7Mac | i alsö heard merlin1991 is garage admin | 22:04 |
| reinob | OK. should we ask him to give access (whatever is required, I don't know) to the whole council? | 22:05 |
| Win7Mac | only juiceme as actual councilor is in council group... | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | https://garage.maemo.org/projects/council/ | 22:06 |
| reinob | .. one option is then to let juiceme take care of approvals | 22:06 |
| Win7Mac | hopefully yes | 22:07 |
| juiceme | mmh, yes, provided I get to know what it takes :) | 22:08 |
| reinob | who can add a project admin, a project admin or a developer? (or is there something higher up the food chain here?) | 22:08 |
| Win7Mac | i just pinged merlin, hope he joins in here | 22:08 |
| juiceme | I think the top sysadmins can do that | 22:09 |
| reinob | Win7Mac: thanks | 22:09 |
| Win7Mac | we can request to join the group/project though, somebody needs to confirm i guess | 22:10 |
| Win7Mac | https://garage.maemo.org/project/request.php?group_id=773 | 22:10 |
| reinob | Sounds good. Everybody do that now? :) | 22:11 |
| eekkelund | Your request has been submitted. | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | request to join sent | 22:12 |
| pichlo | last time I wanted to join a garage project, sixwheeledbeast approved it for me | 22:12 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, what should I request there? :) | 22:12 |
| reinob | submitted | 22:12 |
| pichlo | so I guess anyone on that same list can | 22:12 |
| reinob | juiceme: you're already member | 22:12 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, you're already in | 22:13 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, those request reached you? | 22:13 |
| juiceme | well, good for me then :) | 22:14 |
| juiceme | yes, got 3 requests... | 22:15 |
| juiceme | in my email, that is | 22:15 |
| pichlo | guys, what did you do? | 22:15 |
| pichlo | type 'I want to join' in the box? | 22:16 |
| reinob | I put "member of community council" | 22:16 |
| reinob | should be enough of a reason | 22:16 |
| pichlo | ok, done | 22:17 |
| juiceme | I got the mails but am now trying to figure out how to approve the requests... | 22:18 |
| pichlo | sorry, got to go again | 22:18 |
| pichlo | skating over | 22:19 |
| juiceme | ya, come back later | 22:19 |
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| juiceme | OK, try to login now, you should all have admin status :) | 22:21 |
| reinob | I'm admin! | 22:22 |
| Win7Mac | looks great: https://garage.maemo.org/project/memberlist.php?group_id=773 | 22:22 |
| reinob | but approve-pending still says permission denied.. | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | and I'm even incognito... ;) | 22:23 |
| eekkelund | Error | 22:24 |
| eekkelund | Permission denied | 22:24 |
| juiceme | eekkelund, you cannot get in? | 22:25 |
| eekkelund | I got in when I sent the request to join, but I get that error when trying to go https://garage.maemo.org/admin/approve-pending.php | 22:27 |
| reinob | I have the same. I tried (just in case) to logout and back in. no dice. | 22:27 |
| reinob | juiceme: can *you* go to the approve-pending.php page? | 22:28 |
| juiceme | I was able to approve the project requests | 22:28 |
| reinob | ah OK | 22:28 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:28 |
| reinob | then something else is missing | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | i believe i'm perfectly in | 22:28 |
| juiceme | but you should also have been able to do it by now | 22:28 |
| juiceme | well, too bad I have been more or less out of touch the last weeks :) | 22:29 |
| Win7Mac | still can't approve pending project: Permission denied | 22:29 |
| juiceme | am bit of a wreck now, whole day on the roof putting up the sheet on the frameworks, with temperature at least 28 on the SHADE ! | 22:30 |
| reinob | here https://garage.maemo.org/project/admin/?group_id=773 I can see/update/remove group members, etc. and see "pending requests" (none currently). maybe permission denied is when you go directly to the link but there's nothing? | 22:30 |
| juiceme | well at least now there's nothing to approve any longer. | 22:30 |
| reinob | OK that (could) make sense | 22:31 |
| reinob | lets see when the next request comes :) | 22:31 |
| reinob | re. roof and run: you're asking for a beer! | 22:31 |
| reinob | s/run/sun/ | 22:31 |
| juiceme | I think new projects come in quite rarely nowdays | 22:31 |
| juiceme | reinob, yes, am just now filling up my liquids :) | 22:32 |
| reinob | OK, so with that out of the way: GA invitation. Ready to send? | 22:32 |
| juiceme | already few bottles of IPA down and more in the fridge | 22:32 |
| reinob | IPA? | 22:32 |
| juiceme | Indian Pale Ale | 22:32 |
| juiceme | my brother's favourite | 22:33 |
| reinob | ach-so :) | 22:33 |
| juiceme | and good to drink when you are really hot&thirsty | 22:33 |
| reinob | short break: will reconnect in 10-15 min | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | fine stuff | 22:35 |
| juiceme | and here goes another IPA, cheers! | 22:35 |
| eekkelund | I have other topic, could we postpone Coding Competition by one month?:) | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | re GA invitation: it's ready, but we need a date | 22:35 |
| Win7Mac | prost! | 22:35 |
| juiceme | good stuff, microbrewery handmade | 22:35 |
| juiceme | i love this stuff | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | :) | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, sure, you're the boss ;) | 22:36 |
| Win7Mac | ...we will approve | 22:37 |
| juiceme | I concur, chairman sets the date! | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | i asked warfare in an extra mail but no dice:( | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | as mentioned, would be nice if all directors be present | 22:38 |
| Win7Mac | btw. warfare: ping | 22:38 |
| juiceme | well the marching order is clear; council sets date and the directors will be there. | 22:39 |
| eekkelund | Okay nice:) also I was talking wiht chem|st and he had his concerns about entry submitting. Everybody mailing those entries could be mess maybe? | 22:40 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 22:40 |
| Win7Mac | ? | 22:40 |
| juiceme | how do you mean mess? | 22:40 |
| juiceme | if there would be 100 applications in a day, then maybe it would be a mess :) | 22:41 |
| Win7Mac | openrepos can help too | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | we already have a yes from there | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | (custodian) | 22:42 |
| eekkelund | And should MCe.V. start to already taking donations beforehand, so when competition starts, there would be something :) | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | to upload stuff | 22:42 |
| juiceme | true, that was a good suggestion | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | eekkelund, good point | 22:43 |
| juiceme | ah now I understood! | 22:43 |
| eekkelund | Oh yeah I found from openrepos this page: https://openrepos.net/category/coding-competition still empty :) | 22:43 |
| Win7Mac | RIGHT! | 22:43 |
| juiceme | sorry I did not first get what eekkelund meant, I thought it was still about the GA memgership | 22:44 |
| eekkelund | I added that to wiki | 22:44 |
| Win7Mac | was just about to share that link | 22:44 |
| eekkelund | np, sorry to be confusing :D | 22:44 |
| juiceme | so it was about competition entries.... yes that can be a mess too | 22:44 |
| eekkelund | But one cannot upload new Nemomobile port to openrepos or something what is not app | 22:45 |
| Win7Mac | sorry, it was basil, not custodian | 22:46 |
| juiceme | well, for that other stuff we have github | 22:46 |
| juiceme | and if it includes binaries, well, we'lll have to sort it out then some other way. I can offer to host something on my site. | 22:47 |
| eekkelund | Yeah true. So how one can submit an entry? by tmo thread or? | 22:48 |
| juiceme | either by TMO thread or by mailin list. | 22:49 |
| juiceme | I'd say mailing list entry is better though. | 22:49 |
| eekkelund | So you think it wouldn't be mess? | 22:50 |
| reinob | we could also set up an ftp site where we place whatever comes via mailing list, in case people prefer to download it like that | 22:50 |
| juiceme | yes, that'd be ok | 22:51 |
| eekkelund | Sounds, nice. Could somebody be responsible of that ftp?:) And are you referring to some particular mailinglist?:) | 22:53 |
| juiceme | maemo-community@maemo.org | 22:57 |
| juiceme | the main list, same where minutes are announced and all kind of election stugg goes on | 22:57 |
| juiceme | s/stugg/stuff/ | 22:58 |
| reinob | I could offer ftp and/or sftp | 22:58 |
| eekkelund | Okay, I will put that email address to wiki page:) | 22:59 |
| reinob | either at reinob.de or at bbmk.org (same server, different names) | 22:59 |
| eekkelund | So who wants so much to be responsible of ftp thing:) | 22:59 |
| Win7Mac | https://wiki.maemo.org/Community_mailing_lists | 22:59 |
| Win7Mac | sorry, but I'm not tech-savvy enough | 23:00 |
| reinob | unless juiceme wants to do it, I'd take care of it | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | also techstuff or chem|st could provide space on *.m.o | 23:01 |
| reinob | I prefer sftp-only but people might find that inconvenient so I'd even dare install an ftp server. Never did it (hate ftp) but should be able to pull it off nice and (relatively) securely | 23:01 |
| juiceme | reinob, be my guest :) | 23:03 |
| reinob | OK | 23:03 |
| reinob | does maemo community have a twitter account? | 23:04 |
| reinob | I happen to have joined a few days ago | 23:04 |
| reinob | could be useful to announce whenever a submission comes, etc. | 23:05 |
| juiceme | no idea, as I don't do that :) | 23:06 |
| juiceme | but if ther's none maybe it should be created | 23:06 |
| eekkelund | I can create that :) | 23:06 |
| eekkelund | Thanks reinob | 23:06 |
| reinob | nice! | 23:06 |
| juiceme | excellent! | 23:07 |
| reinob | was about to ask if any expert was around | 23:07 |
| eekkelund | What name and what username?:D | 23:07 |
| Win7Mac | https://twitter.com/hashtag/maemo?src=hash | 23:07 |
| reinob | but no account AFAIK. | 23:07 |
| eekkelund | Not expert, started to use twitter 8months ago :D | 23:07 |
| juiceme | "maemo community", "maemo" or "mcev" | 23:08 |
| Win7Mac | no twitter, facebook or whatsapp here | 23:08 |
| reinob | I joined friday, to be able to follow the messy situation last friday... | 23:08 |
| reinob | colleages of mine were at that shopping mall.. | 23:08 |
| eekkelund | maemo.org? and username @maemo ? | 23:08 |
| juiceme | yes, for current events it is good way to follow I guess | 23:08 |
| Win7Mac | you been in munich? | 23:08 |
| reinob | I live there | 23:08 |
| eekkelund | Are they okay reinob? | 23:08 |
| reinob | yup | 23:08 |
| eekkelund | and your friends+relatives okay? | 23:08 |
| reinob | yes. the ones I know who where there could leave before getting trapped there, so they were just a bit of in shock, but other than that fine | 23:09 |
| Win7Mac | glad to hear | 23:09 |
| reinob | I happened to take the last train home before all hell broke loose and all trains stopped | 23:09 |
| reinob | so I was very lucky | 23:10 |
| juiceme | yesterday almost dropped when I heard it, I first thought it was "Alsbach" before I realised it was "Ansbach" | 23:11 |
| juiceme | Alsbach is where my cousin lives, where I visited her last summer | 23:11 |
| juiceme | good you and your family are OK | 23:12 |
| reinob | what a different a bit or two make | 23:12 |
| reinob | thanks :) | 23:12 |
| eekkelund | Good to hear reinob | 23:12 |
| reinob | eekkelund: do you know if twitter allows accounts where multiple users can post? (would be nice if all council could post from an official account..) | 23:14 |
| eekkelund | Well, no I don't know :/ | 23:15 |
| juiceme | sharing passworrds, at least :) | 23:15 |
| juiceme | ho, am slurring already. | 23:15 |
| reinob | :) | 23:15 |
| juiceme | this beer is tops! | 23:15 |
| reinob | I'll see what I can find out re. twitter | 23:15 |
| juiceme | heha am getting too tipsy soon | 23:16 |
| reinob | other than that I think it's time for me to leave | 23:16 |
| reinob | I can see that I'm almost 40 (still 4 weeks to go). I can't drink two or three beers without getting slightly drunk | 23:16 |
| Win7Mac | ;) | 23:17 |
| Win7Mac | enjoy ;) | 23:17 |
| juiceme | reinob I drink so little nowdays, maybe 2 beers in a month. This week have been drunk almost every night :) | 23:18 |
| juiceme | cos' my brother :) | 23:18 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, re GA date, Sunday, 2016-09-04, afternoon or early evening is fine? | 23:18 |
| chem|st | o/ | 23:18 |
| Win7Mac | o/ | 23:18 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, in 9 days, OK | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | ? | 23:19 |
| juiceme | chem|st :) | 23:19 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac oh sorry, wrong month :) | 23:19 |
| Win7Mac | 9 days wouldn't fit... | 23:20 |
| juiceme | was thinkin it's 8'th already :) | 23:20 |
| chem|st | juiceme: you read my not about court filings? | 23:20 |
| chem|st | note | 23:20 |
| juiceme | am not the sharpest shape now :) | 23:20 |
| juiceme | chem|st, yes | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | rofl | 23:21 |
| chem|st | juiceme: I was wondering how long it takes till this is trouble | 23:21 |
| juiceme | chem|st, so basically we need to declare board every year, even when no changes? | 23:21 |
| chem|st | juiceme: we need to declare no-changes, change in board and change in association articles | 23:22 |
| juiceme | ok | 23:22 |
| chem|st | I now have a request for filing on my desk, I will call them tomorrow, to clarify that we will have proper filings within september | 23:23 |
| Win7Mac | "we need to declare no-changes" - ??? | 23:23 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: indeed | 23:23 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: German beaucracy | 23:23 |
| juiceme | was that a new legislation or has it always been so? | 23:23 |
| Win7Mac | always been like that | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | but yeah, approval for board needs to be filed | 23:24 |
| juiceme | I guess the logic behind is that if there's an association that withers away with no actions, they will know to remove it from registration | 23:24 |
| Win7Mac | not exactly a no-change, but well... | 23:24 |
| chem|st | juiceme: that law is probably from 1956 when they introduced registered clubs | 23:25 |
| juiceme | yay | 23:25 |
| chem|st | juiceme: we actually missed 2 declarations already | 23:25 |
| Win7Mac | that idea very older | 23:25 |
| Win7Mac | *is | 23:25 |
| juiceme | chem|st, does it require something from me? | 23:26 |
| chem|st | juiceme: it always does | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | since warfare is absent | 23:26 |
| chem|st | unless we change the articles so I can represent the eV on my own... | 23:26 |
| Win7Mac | it always takes 2 | 23:26 |
| chem|st | notarized two | 23:27 |
| Win7Mac | that's what the bylaws say | 23:27 |
| juiceme | so the same rote as before, you fill it in and send to me, and I'll send it back to you. | 23:27 |
| juiceme | is notarization required? | 23:27 |
| chem|st | would you mind to take the last stuff for taxes + last meeting + next meeting to notary at once | 23:27 |
| juiceme | can do that too, though it costs about 20 euros | 23:28 |
| chem|st | juiceme: all court filings need to be notarized and signed by two of us | 23:28 |
| chem|st | juiceme: do you have the treasure report for the past 3 years? | 23:28 |
| juiceme | chem|st, am not at home now, but I think I could find a notary here too. | 23:28 |
| chem|st | juiceme: no hurry | 23:29 |
| juiceme | but I have no printer available now... | 23:29 |
| chem|st | juiceme: after the meeting | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | yes, do hurry, but do it immediately when back home | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | please | 23:29 |
| juiceme | chem|st, after the GA meeting, right? That I can do OK | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, when you are back in Helsinki? | 23:30 |
| chem|st | juiceme: the treasure reports we need ahead, properly formatted as well please (head and shoulders) | 23:30 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, I'll head south in about a week, I think | 23:31 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: I will call them and ask, what to do, as I was actually waiting for the others to send me notarized stuff, it is probably no problem | 23:31 |
| Win7Mac | waiting for the others? | 23:32 |
| Win7Mac | for what? | 23:32 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: for sending me papers, other board members | 23:33 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: both got the tax exempt and the court filing from last meeting | 23:33 |
| Win7Mac | ja | 23:34 |
| chem|st | we said war does sign, never did, then I asked juice, forgot about it | 23:34 |
| chem|st | so it went on for a year... | 23:34 |
| Win7Mac | so do we need a new director? | 23:34 |
| chem|st | now we are half a year late for the current GA | 23:35 |
| chem|st | Win7Mac: yeah, how about you | 23:35 |
| Win7Mac | hm... | 23:35 |
| chem|st | Secretary is not that a hard job, you just need to write three protocols a year and have one notarized, that is about that | 23:36 |
| Win7Mac | would be nice to have mother-tounge-german with good english indeed... | 23:39 |
| Win7Mac | ...reinob! (no mother-tounge-german though) | 23:40 |
| reinob | I think Win7Mac would be an excellent choice | 23:40 |
| Win7Mac | but good enough | 23:40 |
| reinob | :) | 23:40 |
| juiceme | well yes, the knowledge of native german language is mandatory IMHO | 23:40 |
| juiceme | I can do the cashier stuff no problem, but could not excel as secretary | 23:41 |
| Win7Mac | thing is, i really have no clue about linux and the whole stuff we are all about | 23:42 |
| Win7Mac | i'm blindly following instrunctions for my device... :( | 23:42 |
| Win7Mac | just a sec, got mail from warfare... | 23:43 |
| Win7Mac | ok, warfare will not re-candidate for board | 23:44 |
| reinob | hmmmkey | 23:44 |
| Win7Mac | so yes, we need a new director | 23:44 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac the technical stuffi is not required to be mastered in directorial work :) | 23:44 |
| Win7Mac | i know... | 23:44 |
| reinob | if you do director, then I do secretary | 23:45 |
| juiceme | we have enough og technical staff | 23:45 |
| reinob | my children and/or wife will help me with writing the protocols | 23:45 |
| Win7Mac | awww... | 23:45 |
| reinob | and I need to find a notar. the only one I've ever seen was at the Marienplatz and got a whole lotta money from me when we bought the ground | 23:46 |
| Win7Mac | I guess it's about time to drop my refuse to be boardie then. THought that'd be a good move when creating MC eV, but now... and since I'm quite in the know... I'LL ACCEPT! | 23:48 |
| juiceme | in finland we have notaries in city hall | 23:48 |
| reinob | I'll investigate | 23:49 |
| reinob | Win7Mac: thank you for candidating | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | thanks | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | and how about you? | 23:50 |
| Win7Mac | we can both run! | 23:50 |
| reinob | I feel a bit uninformed. I don't really know what a director does and now I know a little of what a secretary does | 23:51 |
| reinob | is secretary elected or appointed? | 23:51 |
| Win7Mac | appointed | 23:51 |
| reinob | in 10 words: what does a director do? | 23:51 |
| Win7Mac | just kidding, want to avoid the hassle for you + your wifey | 23:52 |
| reinob | I mean, if I candidate for director (assuming I know what it means) then neither you nor I would be appointed secretary. Which means we would need to find somebody for the position. | 23:53 |
| Win7Mac | we do not really want 4 candidates because the one with least votes is out. What if that hits juiceme or chem|st? - not wanted | 23:54 |
| reinob | OK then I'm not candidating for director. If OK with you guys I would do secretary | 23:55 |
| Win7Mac | and since juiceme can't german, he can't be secretary | 23:55 |
| Win7Mac | *speak | 23:55 |
| Win7Mac | in few words: directors meet online and notarily sign documents for court filing once a year | 23:58 |
| Win7Mac | *GA | 23:58 |
| juiceme | reinob directors handle the running stuff of the association (e.V.), like purchasing and contracting all what is needed (domain names, servers, donation handling. etc...) | 23:59 |
| Win7Mac | right, all that is settled at the moment | 23:59 |
| juiceme | good | 23:59 |
| reinob | nice | 23:59 |
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