| *** M4rtinK has quit IRC | 03:05 | |
| *** povbot has joined #maemo-meeting | 06:44 | |
| *** juiceme has joined #maemo-meeting | 07:43 | |
| *** juiceme has quit IRC | 07:46 | |
| *** juiceme has joined #maemo-meeting | 07:54 | |
| *** Win7Mac has joined #maemo-meeting | 22:05 | |
| reinob | hallo there | 22:05 |
|---|---|---|
| Win7Mac | hi | 22:05 |
| juiceme | hiya! | 22:08 |
| reinob | hi juice! | 22:08 |
| juiceme | how's it going? | 22:09 |
| reinob | OK | 22:09 |
| reinob | you? | 22:09 |
| juiceme | fine now, thx. have to apologise I haven't yet written the minutes. | 22:10 |
| juiceme | all too much going on | 22:10 |
| reinob | no problem :) | 22:10 |
| juiceme | and I should take time to introduce you to the voting engine | 22:10 |
| reinob | yup. I didn't get back to you yet. Don't know at the moment how the plan to organize a voting for the swear filter is going (if we really want to do this at all.. did we decide on this?) | 22:12 |
| juiceme | yes I'd say we did, there's mentioning of it in the official minutes and it did create good buzz in the community :) | 22:13 |
| juiceme | and as an introduction/training it's a good one | 22:13 |
| reinob | yeah I'm fine with it, as I said already, if only for the experience.. | 22:14 |
| juiceme | regarding the automatic vote calculation, I went thru my email correspondance I had with woody last year and yes, according to him the automatics should work. | 22:18 |
| juiceme | It is possible though that due to some update to the computers it does not work any more, for example the path to the openSTV is wrong or some configuratin file amiss | 22:20 |
| Win7Mac | update to the computers? | 22:20 |
| juiceme | sw update | 22:21 |
| Win7Mac | which computers? | 22:21 |
| reinob | I happen to have some free time on monday and tuesday morning until end of year, so if I get access to those "computers" I could have a look | 22:22 |
| Win7Mac | maemo.org server? | 22:22 |
| *** HtheB has joined #maemo-meeting | 22:22 | |
| reinob | hey HtheB | 22:22 |
| HtheB | `hey | 22:22 |
| HtheB | somehow, i forget about the time... | 22:22 |
| HtheB | thanks to the mail of peter | 22:22 |
| HtheB | i was OH SHI. | 22:22 |
| juiceme | Win7Mac, yes, at least the www is an ubuntu machine | 22:22 |
| juiceme | DISTRIB_DESCRIPTION="Ubuntu 12.04.5 LTS" | 22:23 |
| Win7Mac | hm | 22:23 |
| juiceme | HtheB, evening mr. chairman :) | 22:23 |
| HtheB | hi | 22:23 |
| HtheB | evening | 22:23 |
| juiceme | anyays, as I was saying; it has happened to me sometimes that an update breaks some scripts of mine. | 22:24 |
| Win7Mac | ah ok | 22:24 |
| reinob | yes it can happen (though it should not.. :) | 22:25 |
| HtheB | I was thinking about the compo | 22:26 |
| HtheB | how to collect some things as prices | 22:26 |
| HtheB | announcements? | 22:26 |
| juiceme | a case in the point; just this morning our webmail interface at swagman/liukuma did not work, but imap worked perfectly. our sysadmin had updated the machine (bsd variant) and the webmail interface (roundcube) did not like that the new php version had different handling of certificates than the previus one. The location of self-signed certs had to be changed or something like that... | 22:26 |
| juiceme | and this was on a bloody BSD, where you update the machine by compliling everything on the spot, "make world" | 22:27 |
| juiceme | so everything should *always* be well integrated with everything else... | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | sorry I can't help there | 22:28 |
| juiceme | np, it's fixed now | 22:28 |
| juiceme | just pointing out it can happen :) | 22:28 |
| Win7Mac | I mean l can't help looking into voting script | 22:29 |
| juiceme | oh, ok :) | 22:29 |
| juiceme | but reinob, as you have free-om-mornings, we could try to make some time. | 22:29 |
| reinob | I can (try, don't want to be over-confident..) | 22:29 |
| reinob | yup I had to take some annual leave as I would otherwise have lost it :) | 22:30 |
| juiceme | not this week I think since I am having a horrible hurry before christmas, we need to deliver a large sw package to customers by the end of the year and there's only too much prontos open still... :( | 22:30 |
| juiceme | so this week and next I am really sucked | 22:31 |
| HtheB | good luck bro | 22:31 |
| juiceme | I sure need it | 22:31 |
| reinob | OK. Whenever you want/can. If there's some info you can send my way I'll be happy to read it in preparation | 22:32 |
| juiceme | there's a piece of SW that takes up too much memory running, and I am rewriting it | 22:32 |
| juiceme | will do that | 22:32 |
| reinob | what do we have today in the agenda? | 22:33 |
| HtheB | well... I asked about the prices | 22:34 |
| HtheB | no one saw my question :P | 22:34 |
| HtheB | prize | 22:34 |
| reinob | I did but had/have no answer to that :) | 22:34 |
| HtheB | :D | 22:34 |
| Win7Mac | so what do you think about my draft? | 22:34 |
| Win7Mac | https://public.etherpad-mozilla.org/p/Maemo_Coding_Competition_2016 | 22:34 |
| juiceme | too bad, I have not been reading too much TMO lately | 22:34 |
| * reinob is reading it right now | 22:36 | |
| Win7Mac | warfare: ping | 22:37 |
| juiceme | good document | 22:37 |
| Win7Mac | Is category "Maintain it" (packages, CSSU) distinct enough? | 22:42 |
| Win7Mac | Does category "Bugfix it" (known, yet unresolved bugs) make sense? | 22:43 |
| Win7Mac | i mean how realistic is that? | 22:43 |
| juiceme | both make sense, and can be valuable contrribution | 22:44 |
| juiceme | okay, collaborative editing kinda got out of hand there :9 | 22:51 |
| Win7Mac | :) | 22:52 |
| HtheB | juiceme: check the link | 22:55 |
| juiceme | yes, looked at it. that's the same beanie I've got, and I think they might still have those. | 22:55 |
| HtheB | ok, i've cleaned the doc | 22:56 |
| juiceme | yes, I thikn that looks good to post | 22:57 |
| reinob | yup I'm fine with it | 22:57 |
| Win7Mac | please think about each category | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | how exactly to define - Recent contributions (recent major releases) | 22:58 |
| Win7Mac | - Wishlist (rewarded if/when completed)? | 22:58 |
| HtheB | what about "beginners category" | 22:59 |
| HtheB | what defines this | 22:59 |
| reinob | maybe we go one by one, in order | 22:59 |
| reinob | Old NITs: new software only, I guess. completed, I guess | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | first release | 23:00 |
| juiceme | agreed | 23:00 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 23:00 |
| HtheB | ok | 23:00 |
| reinob | sorry I'm thick. what does "first release" mean? | 23:00 |
| juiceme | not released before | 23:01 |
| reinob | ah OK. thx :) | 23:01 |
| Win7Mac | no known devs i think | 23:01 |
| Win7Mac | beginners only | 23:01 |
| reinob | KotCzarny (probably mispelled). did the music player | 23:02 |
| reinob | (already released).. but maybe he'll come up with something nice | 23:02 |
| Win7Mac | he's no beginner | 23:02 |
| reinob | thought we were with Old NITs | 23:03 |
| HtheB | reinob: werent we? | 23:03 |
| HtheB | guys, get back to the doc please | 23:03 |
| HtheB | much easier :) | 23:04 |
| juiceme | one thing i want to clarify, we do accept SW created this year, right; it does not have to be something that's only being designed *after* the launch of the competition...? | 23:04 |
| * reinob understands Win7Mac meant no devs for first release category. are we sure about that? | 23:04 | |
| reinob | completed (not started) this year would be OK | 23:05 |
| HtheB | ive added some things to the doc | 23:05 |
| juiceme | so for example HtheB's pull-my-finger would be an acceptable entry to "beginners", if he only wasn't in council :) | 23:05 |
| HtheB | to define the things to qualify as an entry | 23:05 |
| HtheB | oh council members cant join? :p | 23:06 |
| juiceme | I assumed so, can we? | 23:06 |
| * HtheB resigns | 23:06 | |
| HtheB | haha | 23:06 |
| juiceme | I don't know if we can, if we partake in the arrangements | 23:06 |
| reinob | I'm OK with council members participating, as long as community votes. no conflict there | 23:06 |
| Win7Mac | +1 | 23:06 |
| reinob | if council needs or is asked to intervene then we can decide on bias and if doubt council member will be excluded. like with normal judges.. | 23:07 |
| reinob | "befangenheitsantrag" we call it | 23:07 |
| juiceme | I'm partly divided on this, it would be nice to participate but i don't know if it creates a conflict-of-intresr | 23:08 |
| juiceme | conflict-of-intrest | 23:08 |
| juiceme | OTOH I really have no time anyway :) | 23:08 |
| HtheB | I would love to add some nice stuff to PulleyMyFinger :D | 23:08 |
| juiceme | so as for myself, I can abstain already | 23:08 |
| HtheB | or I do have a nice app in my mind | 23:08 |
| reinob | I don't plan to take part.. | 23:09 |
| reinob | so if HtheB joins then we all keep an eye on him and if doubt arises we kick him out :) | 23:09 |
| HtheB | since we arent the judges, i think it wont be a problem | 23:10 |
| HtheB | :D | 23:10 |
| reinob | exactly, but we'll keep an eye on you nonetheless | 23:10 |
| HtheB | reinob: what if my alter ego joins? | 23:10 |
| HtheB | BtheH | 23:10 |
| HtheB | :P | 23:10 |
| reinob | it is (or should be) against the rules. See Estel. One nick per real (human) user. | 23:10 |
| juiceme | +1 | 23:11 |
| HtheB | +1 | 23:11 |
| HtheB | what about more entries per user? | 23:11 |
| reinob | no problem with that. as long as the categories are "distinct" :) | 23:12 |
| juiceme | sure, nothoiing against that | 23:12 |
| HtheB | what about "more prizes"? | 23:12 |
| HtheB | per user | 23:12 |
| HtheB | I think 1 prize for 1 user | 23:13 |
| HtheB | so if person X wins 1st price in category Y, it won't get the 3th price from category Z | 23:13 |
| juiceme | mmh, there's that danger if someone has two or more outstanding entries | 23:13 |
| reinob | if you win in three categories, you get three prizes | 23:13 |
| reinob | modulo your own ethics, that is | 23:13 |
| juiceme | yes, that's only fair | 23:13 |
| reinob | i.e. you can always donate back | 23:13 |
| HtheB | reinob, ok clear | 23:14 |
| HtheB | how can people chip in? | 23:15 |
| HtheB | (money) | 23:15 |
| juiceme | money & devices | 23:16 |
| HtheB | and give credits on who donated | 23:16 |
| juiceme | yes, of course! | 23:16 |
| reinob | if money we could use maemo e.v. as recipient (with some remark to tell which transfers are for the competition) | 23:16 |
| reinob | with bank transfer it's no problem, with paypal I have no clue | 23:17 |
| HtheB | if people for some reason cant donate to bank directly, I would like to share my PayPal | 23:17 |
| HtheB | so I can forward it to the bank | 23:17 |
| juiceme | You also can attach a message to paypal donation, just like bank | 23:18 |
| reinob | does Maemo eV accept paypal | 23:18 |
| HtheB | (Used to do it with that Trademark before the bank was alive) | 23:18 |
| juiceme | yes we have both | 23:18 |
| HtheB | ok | 23:18 |
| reinob | then fine | 23:18 |
| juiceme | paypal & deutche bank | 23:18 |
| HtheB | nice | 23:18 |
| HtheB | ok sounds good to me | 23:19 |
| HtheB | now, it's up to us to find some good prizes for the compo :) | 23:20 |
| reinob | good question | 23:20 |
| reinob | neo900s or jolla tablets? | 23:21 |
| reinob | (sorry) | 23:21 |
| juiceme | was there some idea of letting winners choose devces?, lkike, say you already got 3 good N900's, and don't want another one? | 23:21 |
| Win7Mac | exactly my thoughts | 23:21 |
| reinob | yup we can make "packages" with similar value | 23:21 |
| reinob | are all categories equal in tems of prize? or do we want 1.class and 2.class? | 23:22 |
| HtheB | [22:21] <reinob> neo900s or jolla tablets? <<< haha... :'( | 23:22 |
| HtheB | where are you going to get jolla tablets....? out of a fairytale? :D | 23:22 |
| juiceme | acrually there was someone selling on TMO | 23:23 |
| HtheB | yes... | 23:23 |
| juiceme | and I think I saw also one on ebay | 23:23 |
| HtheB | ebay?! | 23:23 |
| juiceme | so just ask for donation :) :9 | 23:23 |
| HtheB | :D | 23:24 |
| * reinob meant it as a bad joke (especially re. neo900 which I still expect to get some day, doesn't matter when..) | 23:24 | |
| HtheB | hahaha | 23:24 |
| HtheB | but hey, we could also ask other guys | 23:24 |
| HtheB | like the Pyra team | 23:24 |
| HtheB | our "cousin/niece" | 23:24 |
| HtheB | Open Pandora :) | 23:24 |
| reinob | yup. would be nice | 23:25 |
| juiceme | heh, I also have some old psion devices... :) | 23:25 |
| juiceme | :p | 23:25 |
| HtheB | juiceme: good, throw them in ! :D | 23:25 |
| juiceme | what about HP programmable calculator? | 23:26 |
| juiceme | with RPN and all :) | 23:26 |
| reinob | ahh my precious. we are they! tell me juice! | 23:26 |
| HtheB | I can haz one? | 23:26 |
| juiceme | exactly! | 23:27 |
| reinob | I still routinely use my HP-48S | 23:27 |
| juiceme | HtheB probably, if you ask nicely :) | 23:27 |
| juiceme | I did not that long ago, now just always have a computer handy so calculators are kind of gone | 23:28 |
| Win7Mac | I still use my HP 48G | 23:29 |
| Win7Mac | with 32k RAM | 23:29 |
| reinob | but the keys! juice, the keys! nothing compares to the 48 keys. | 23:29 |
| reinob | Win7Mac: nice, even better than the 48S | 23:30 |
| HtheB | juiceme: https://i.imgflip.com/vfr8l.jpg | 23:30 |
| reinob | (4Mhz vs 2Mhz) | 23:30 |
| Win7Mac | hehe | 23:30 |
| reinob | you know, I did a kind of sysrpl emulator (not really emulator, but a programming language inspired on sysrpl). I even used it as a test to upload to extras-devel. I could polish it a bit and do some maemo-specific stuff and actually join the competition :) | 23:32 |
| juiceme | HtheB okay, that was so nice a plea I'll make it a spezial price fot the beginners category. If you enter pull-my-finger you might get it :) | 23:32 |
| reinob | which one? | 23:33 |
| juiceme | reinob the feeling of the HP keys is immaculate. | 23:33 |
| reinob | but not after 48. 49 was bad, 50 OK-ish (also have one) but not as good as 48 or 42 | 23:34 |
| juiceme | whichever HtheB wants :) | 23:34 |
| juiceme | ah, they changed the mechanics at some point? | 23:34 |
| Win7Mac | My On/off button is flaky, I need to bend the device... | 23:34 |
| reinob | what do you have in store? I might buy something off you before HtheB gets it! :) | 23:34 |
| HtheB | :DDD | 23:34 |
| HtheB | juiceme: what you got? ^^ | 23:37 |
| HtheB | (what do you got for donation? ^^) | 23:38 |
| HtheB | [22:34] <juiceme> whichever HtheB wants :) <<< | 23:39 |
| juiceme | HtheB, at least what comes to mind; a full-keyboard psion thingy running epoc and linux, a HP calulator, a casio calculator with BASIC... | 23:39 |
| juiceme | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5 | 23:39 |
| reinob | I'm afraid I have to leave now. Juice: don't commit to anything until we've discussed this. I may want to make you an offer or two. | 23:40 |
| HtheB | is that a link to oldskool heaven? | 23:40 |
| HtheB | caus thats what its looks like :D | 23:40 |
| juiceme | could be | 23:41 |
| juiceme | reinob, okay | 23:41 |
| HtheB | The calculator that I had was the TI83 | 23:41 |
| juiceme | I'll also go to bed now | 23:41 |
| HtheB | I had a Serial cable that could connect to my Win98 | 23:41 |
| juiceme | nice | 23:41 |
| HtheB | I was the coolest guy on school :D | 23:41 |
| HtheB | (I had all kinds of apps) | 23:41 |
| reinob | In general the topic of finding suitable prizes may turn to be too complicated. I may have a wet dream about a HP-41CX but others will want something more modern | 23:41 |
| HtheB | reinob: true | 23:41 |
| reinob | TI? get out of here! :) | 23:42 |
| HtheB | ok | 23:42 |
| *** HtheB has left #maemo-meeting | 23:42 | |
| reinob | WTF? | 23:42 |
| juiceme | ah, might also throw in an SGI Irix | 23:42 |
| *** HtheB has joined #maemo-meeting | 23:42 | |
| reinob | :) | 23:42 |
| HtheB | hey | 23:42 |
| juiceme | altough you need to come and pick it up with a lorry... | 23:42 |
| HtheB | it had SNAKE on it!... SNAKE! | 23:42 |
| HtheB | reinob, juiceme: you guys just settle up something | 23:42 |
| juiceme | well my IRIX is based on VME bus so suck that ! | 23:43 |
| HtheB | after that, juiceme can think if he can donate something for the compo | 23:43 |
| reinob | any indication of a price (as in "market value"). | 23:43 |
| juiceme | it's missing some parts, like the PSU so worth is not that great... | 23:43 |
| juiceme | :) | 23:44 |
| reinob | I mean now for the competition: like approx. EUR 500 per category | 23:44 |
| juiceme | about 2kW if I recall :) | 23:44 |
| HtheB | never look into the mouth of a given away horse | 23:44 |
| HtheB | (or something like that?) | 23:44 |
| juiceme | ah, sure | 23:44 |
| juiceme | about 500 sounds good | 23:44 |
| reinob | if the horse needs 2kW then I'll look it wherever I want to :) | 23:44 |
| reinob | my average household consumption is about 400W | 23:45 |
| juiceme | fully configured cabinet takes maybe the 2kW, if you don't have the extra graphix and stack-o-drives it runs with lot less | 23:46 |
| juiceme | I have run it with self-made PSU of less than a kilowatt pretty good | 23:46 |
| reinob | I colleague of mine actually bought a website and the whole inventory with classic PDAs (no calculators though). I could ask him to cough up something (if he has anything nice) | 23:46 |
| juiceme | nice! | 23:46 |
| HtheB | I do have some PDA's laying around here | 23:47 |
| HtheB | HP5550 | 23:47 |
| HtheB | HP iPAQ H5550 | 23:47 |
| HtheB | https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IPAQ | 23:48 |
| reinob | so, now I really have to quit, as nice as the topic is (I get very emotional). But wife deserves some attention... | 23:48 |
| reinob | Cheers | 23:48 |
| juiceme | okay. | 23:48 |
| HtheB | http://pdadb.net/img/h5550.jpg | 23:48 |
| juiceme | nite all! | 23:48 |
| HtheB | good night reinob! | 23:48 |
| juiceme | I'll drop off now... | 23:48 |
| HtheB | alright then | 23:48 |
| HtheB | I'll close this meeting if no one wants to add something else? | 23:48 |
| HtheB | Alright then | 23:49 |
| HtheB | meeting closed | 23:49 |
| HtheB | Good night all! Thanks for coming by | 23:49 |
| Win7Mac | gnite everybody | 23:49 |
| *** Win7Mac has quit IRC | 23:50 | |
Generated by irclog2html.py 2.15.1 by Marius Gedminas - find it at mg.pov.lt!
