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| reinob | ping everyone | 22:01 |
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| freemangordon | reinob: hmm? | 22:02 |
| reinob | council meeting | 22:02 |
| reinob | :) | 22:02 |
| juiceme | good evening, everyone :) | 22:02 |
| freemangordon | oh, everyone == council_meeting, good to know :) | 22:02 |
| juiceme | reinob, hi! | 22:03 |
| reinob | isn't #maemo-meeting only for council meetings?# | 22:03 |
| juiceme | freemangordon, hi! | 22:03 |
| reinob | hi juiceme | 22:03 |
| freemangordon | BTW, in case you've missed my post on TMO, we (me and chem|st) already have admin rights on n900 FB application | 22:03 |
| reinob | nice! | 22:03 |
| juiceme | Yes, but it is a public meeting, anyone can come and raise topics for the Council | 22:03 |
| reinob | not that I need FB, but nice | 22:03 |
| reinob | juiceme: yes, was answering freemangordon who said "good to know everyone = council_meeting" | 22:04 |
| juiceme | freemangordon, yes saw the posting. That was my problem, I asked if the AP's were still valid but did not realy put effort into finfi | 22:04 |
| juiceme | ding it out... | 22:04 |
| juiceme | yes, "everyone == community" | 22:05 |
| freemangordon | reinob: #maemo_meeting is where council public meetings are held, but every one is free to join and raise topics or ask questions, afaik | 22:06 |
| juiceme | but good to know the FB thingy is sorted out. don't use the service myself but I see no harm in it if somebody wants to use FB. | 22:06 |
| freemangordon | juiceme: :nod: | 22:06 |
| reinob | freemangordon: that's how I understood it. so if I say hi everyone I mean everyone who is here (for the council meeting). | 22:09 |
| reinob | what about peterleinchen, Win7Mac and HtheB? | 22:10 |
| juiceme | have not heard from them lately | 22:10 |
| reinob | me neither. | 22:11 |
| juiceme | but then again, I have been travelling and had fairly busy weekend after coming back home... | 22:11 |
| reinob | today I've been having a look at the maemo.org/legal | 22:11 |
| reinob | privacy policy, terms of use | 22:11 |
| reinob | both refer to HiFo and such | 22:11 |
| reinob | which brings me to the general question: who can edit the maemo.org website? | 22:12 |
| juiceme | yes, there still is a lot to change/update | 22:12 |
| reinob | juiceme: yes, but to me (read: in my mind) it's all a big mess | 22:12 |
| juiceme | members of da admin class | 22:13 |
| reinob | admin class of .... ? | 22:13 |
| juiceme | as I understand it, it is not an easy platform to update | 22:13 |
| juiceme | at least chem|st, warfare, xes | 22:14 |
| reinob | OK, so what we/I refer to as "techstaff". Right? | 22:14 |
| juiceme | parts of it are so that even you should be able to update them | 22:14 |
| juiceme | yes | 22:14 |
| juiceme | techstaff | 22:14 |
| reinob | so let's say I were to update something for which I have the right to. How would I go about doing that? ssh? ftp? | 22:15 |
| freemangordon | reinob: ssh I guess | 22:15 |
| juiceme | There's a edit interface to some parts of Maemo, it is a kind of html editor | 22:16 |
| freemangordon | that one too, it is a CMS after all | 22:16 |
| juiceme | also, direct edit of the files via ssh is of course possible | 22:16 |
| reinob | OK. details about ssh and/or the on-line editor? | 22:16 |
| juiceme | I mean I could probably tweak anything on the site via console if I only dared to, but am afraid I would pbobably break something | 22:17 |
| juiceme | I have been tweaking backend things like karma update system and so on, but not visible content | 22:18 |
| reinob | I'm not planning (for now) to edit stuff, but if I knew how I could update the stuff under maemo.org/legal (in agreement with everyone of course) | 22:18 |
| reinob | this way, I could also add a document/page with the code-of-conduct (KDE) which I can there refer to in the not-yet-ready posting for TMO | 22:19 |
| juiceme | the thing to do is to go to ##maemo-admin and ask there. | 22:19 |
| reinob | oh, I didn't know about that channel. confirm double ##? or just #maemo-admin | 22:19 |
| juiceme | wearing your cloak grants you access to the channel | 22:19 |
| reinob | sounds spooky :) | 22:19 |
| juiceme | yes, ## | 22:20 |
| reinob | I'm in :) | 22:20 |
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| HtheB | hi guys | 22:20 |
| reinob | HtheB: hey | 22:20 |
| HtheB | I had an emergency | 22:20 |
| juiceme | HtheB, hi! | 22:20 |
| reinob | hopefully not one health-related? | 22:21 |
| juiceme | okay, I hope it's sorted now? | 22:21 |
| HtheB | yeah, family meeting | 22:22 |
| HtheB | a baby is born so we rushed | 22:22 |
| reinob | Oh! that's a nice emergency! | 22:22 |
| reinob | My first daughter was born in TH (Bronovo). That was also an emergency. She was almost born in the car. | 22:23 |
| reinob | The dutch are a bit nuts, from my point of view :) | 22:23 |
| HtheB | not my baby though (yet) | 22:23 |
| HtheB | nuts? explain haha | 22:23 |
| juiceme | oho, I was "away", did not notice... | 22:24 |
| HtheB | but I'm Turkish | 22:24 |
| HtheB | welcome back juiceme (hahah) | 22:24 |
| HtheB | reinob: i saw a video a couple weeks ago about a woman giving birth in car | 22:27 |
| juiceme | not the best place to do it I recon, but still it can happen. Sometimes the birthing is so suddden | 22:28 |
| reinob | OK, bit off-topic. The thing is you don't go to the hospital until they tell you it's OK for you to come. Problem is when baby doesn't want to wait :) | 22:29 |
| HtheB | hahaha | 22:29 |
| juiceme | :) | 22:29 |
| HtheB | i hope that we don't have to go to the hospital | 22:31 |
| juiceme | heh, just told my wife that we'd supposed to be talking about technical things and instead discuss babies :) | 22:32 |
| reinob | :))) | 22:32 |
| reinob | is a web page technical? | 22:33 |
| reinob | :) | 22:33 |
| juiceme | I suppose so... the implementation at least is | 22:33 |
| reinob | these are the kinds of things I have to discuss every day :) | 22:34 |
| juiceme | at home or at work ? :) | 22:34 |
| reinob | at work :) my job is to decide is something is a technical invention. Problem is that this is in the field of mostly-non-technical stuff (business, software, etc.) | 22:35 |
| reinob | Lawyers don't like me/us | 22:35 |
| juiceme | I suppose the feeling is mutual! :) | 22:35 |
| reinob | nope, I do like them. at least those with long legs :) | 22:36 |
| juiceme | ah, that kind of lawyers, yes! | 22:36 |
| reinob | :)) | 22:37 |
| reinob | OK, maybe we go back on-topic :) | 22:37 |
| juiceme | had a meeting with one of the species few weeks ago, on use of FOSS/GPL stuff as part of our products... | 22:37 |
| reinob | can get hairy, but I'm not copyright expert :) | 22:38 |
| juiceme | she was very well studied on the subject, both the legal and the technical aspects | 22:38 |
| reinob | nice combination | 22:38 |
| juiceme | it's tha absolute hairball, and gets worse all da time. we're expected to *magically* put up your stuff "in da cloud" and use the latest webstuff... | 22:39 |
| juiceme | thing is, how to be sure of all the licences of components and subcomponents... and to stay current when for example npm pulls subcomponents from external repos...! | 22:40 |
| juiceme | horrible thing to manage | 22:41 |
| reinob | yes. Luckily it's not my problem :))) | 22:41 |
| reinob | HtheB should we go on-topic? | 22:41 |
| juiceme | well it seems to be my probllem now. cripes! | 22:41 |
| reinob | lol | 22:41 |
| juiceme | agreed, back to ontopics | 22:42 |
| reinob | I would like some maemo.org subpages to be edited to reflect the current reality (no Nokia no HiFo). Upcoming events (wiki) is not 2012 :) | 22:43 |
| reinob | Then I could contact ##maemo-admin to ask who/how to edit each one | 22:43 |
| reinob | and whatever I can do I'd do. | 22:43 |
| reinob | and whatever others (techstaff) need to know, we'd ask them to. | 22:43 |
| juiceme | well wikiedits at least should be easy. AFAIK just about everybody has modify access | 22:43 |
| reinob | yup, just like being generic :) | 22:44 |
| juiceme | have you checked you have blog write/edit access btw? | 22:44 |
| reinob | blog-what?you mean maemo.org/news? | 22:45 |
| juiceme | go to http://maemo.org/community/council/ for example and if you're logged on, you should see a small light-grey edit-box up on top pf the page | 22:45 |
| juiceme | with menus "folder" "website" "online help" | 22:46 |
| juiceme | HtheB, check that also ^^^ | 22:46 |
| reinob | don't see that box | 22:47 |
| juiceme | really? | 22:48 |
| juiceme | then, you need to ask on ##maemo-admin | 22:48 |
| reinob | top left see maemo.org logo, top right my name | 22:48 |
| reinob | underneath INTRO DOWNLOADS COMMUNITY DEVELOPMENT NEWS TALK | 22:49 |
| reinob | and on the right the search box | 22:49 |
| juiceme | yes, you should see a kind of grey floating "edit-box" with menus on top of that | 22:49 |
| HtheB | how to check? | 22:50 |
| juiceme | go to page http://maemo.org/community/council/ and log in if not lged already | 22:50 |
| juiceme | and check if you have "edit-box" on the top of the page | 22:51 |
| HtheB | Fatal error 40 | 22:52 |
| HtheB | after logging in | 22:52 |
| reinob | ? | 22:52 |
| HtheB | let me try out another browser | 22:52 |
| HtheB | but just to let you guys know : i never had problems before with Opera | 22:53 |
| reinob | I've tried with Chrome and with Firefox (Iceweasel). | 22:55 |
| HtheB | im at a family | 22:55 |
| HtheB | using Jolla atm | 22:55 |
| reinob | Oh OK | 22:55 |
| HtheB | webpirate seems to have problems with text boxes :/ cant login | 22:55 |
| HtheB | trying out ANOTHER browser | 22:56 |
| reinob | otherwise try it when you're at home / we can leave this point for next meeting | 22:56 |
| HtheB | and Webcat seems to be not submitting my entry at all when trying to login | 22:58 |
| HtheB | how ironic... | 22:58 |
| HtheB | trying out firefox, i hope i wont get kicked by oom | 22:58 |
| reinob | maemo.org has a very weird logon system. I usually have to refresh/reload the page after logging in to appear as logged in. | 22:58 |
| HtheB | yup! logged in, had to refresh | 23:00 |
| reinob | :) | 23:00 |
| reinob | do you the edit box? | 23:00 |
| HtheB | reinob: seems to be thats qhy its still on beta hahah | 23:00 |
| HtheB | no can't edit | 23:00 |
| HtheB | juiceme: i can't edit | 23:02 |
| reinob | I rejoined ##maemo-admin and will see if anyone of techstaff is there | 23:02 |
| reinob | nope | 23:04 |
| reinob | HtheB: can you add it to the list of open points? | 23:05 |
| HtheB | juiceme ^ | 23:05 |
| reinob | warfare is on it | 23:07 |
| reinob | :) | 23:07 |
| warfare | At least I try to ;) | 23:07 |
| reinob | oh you're here too :) | 23:07 |
| juiceme | yo, was afk | 23:08 |
| juiceme | warfare, hi! | 23:08 |
| juiceme | so what did I miss | 23:09 |
| reinob | netsplit again? | 23:09 |
| reinob | neither HtheB nor I get the edit-box. warfare said he would see if he can "kick midgard into shape" :) | 23:10 |
| juiceme | no, just had to leave irc for a while. | 23:10 |
| juiceme | OK, hope it gets sorted. | 23:11 |
| reinob | yup. we should still leave it as an open point to check next week | 23:11 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:12 |
| warfare | juiceme: Could you try again? | 23:14 |
| juiceme | warfare, me? I have no problems whatsoever, never had :) | 23:16 |
| juiceme | it's reinob & HtheB> reinob: seems to be thats qhy its still on beta hahah | 23:16 |
| warfare | err, I meant reinob, sorry. | 23:16 |
| juiceme | oh, did a pasteflood by mistake | 23:17 |
| juiceme | just meant to say reinob & HtheB | 23:17 |
| reinob | yup got the box :) | 23:18 |
| reinob | warfare: thanks a lot | 23:18 |
| warfare | you're welcome. | 23:19 |
| juiceme | good! | 23:19 |
| HtheB | warfare: still can't edit pages | 23:21 |
| juiceme | warfare, when you compare my profile on TMO (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=61958) to reinob's profile (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=51598) there's tag "Community Council" under my name but not reinob's | 23:22 |
| HtheB | im also wondering : why can't we use capital letters as username? | 23:22 |
| warfare | HtheB: Talk has nothing to do with www.maemo.org user wise. | 23:22 |
| HtheB | warfare: then again, the question still stands... | 23:22 |
| HtheB | why can't we use capital letters at all? :D | 23:23 |
| warfare | HtheB: Because all authentication sits on garage with gets imported into midgard. And garage insists on lowercase usernames because it actually creates unix users. | 23:23 |
| juiceme | HtheB, that so? I never thought capital letters would be forbidden... | 23:23 |
| HtheB | what about ignoring capital letters? | 23:23 |
| warfare | And the login field just submits your login data to t.m.o via javascript in a hidden iframe.. | 23:23 |
| juiceme | but actually unix users could be any case, not necessarily small letters. (it's just a convention I think) | 23:24 |
| HtheB | usernames shouldn't be cjecked for capitals at all.. | 23:24 |
| HtheB | its not a password :) | 23:24 |
| warfare | juiceme: They can, but I'm sure some part of garage will be unhappy about it. | 23:24 |
| HtheB | warfare what about ignoring it? | 23:25 |
| juiceme | but it is a matter of style, usernames *should* be lower case | 23:25 |
| HtheB | so when you use capital, that it will be uncapped? | 23:25 |
| juiceme | because uppercase does not look good :) | 23:25 |
| HtheB | HtheB - htheb | 23:25 |
| HtheB | you decide :P | 23:26 |
| reinob | OK, in your case. But only in your case :) | 23:26 |
| HtheB | hahahah | 23:26 |
| warfare | HtheB: Known problem for 6 years apparently: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5702 | 23:26 |
| povbot | Bug 5702: Login name to garage.maemo.org is changed to lowercase | 23:26 |
| juiceme | well that settles it then, there's no updates to midgard :) | 23:26 |
| juiceme | but what about my question: | 23:27 |
| reinob | not open source or not worth the effort? (I'm OK with that) | 23:27 |
| juiceme | warfare, when you compare my profile on TMO (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=61958) to reinob's profile (http://talk.maemo.org/member.php?u=51598) there's tag "Community Council" under my name but not reinob's | 23:27 |
| reinob | juiceme: yes, I don't get the "Council" tag | 23:27 |
| HtheB | what about my tag? Im a moderator | 23:28 |
| HtheB | can i get them both? | 23:28 |
| juiceme | reinob, it's open source allright, but fairly large and not known to us/me/anybody | 23:28 |
| warfare | juiceme: Thats something chemist can change, I have no idea about the inner workings of t.m.o | 23:28 |
| reinob | if you OK with it we can add it to our wishlist. like low priority to-do point. | 23:29 |
| reinob | HtheB: unless it's really important for you. | 23:29 |
| warfare | reinob: midgard is opensource but nokia/nemein built so much custom changes on top of it, I'm sure it will break if we update it to a current version. | 23:29 |
| HtheB | reinob: why not, would love to see that :D | 23:30 |
| juiceme | let's ask chem|st whe he's around. | 23:32 |
| HtheB | chem|st: ping | 23:33 |
| reinob | OK. But as the saying goes, if it ain't broke.. | 23:33 |
| HtheB | well, same goes to you then :p do you need council ? | 23:34 |
| HtheB | by the way, i still cant edit pages | 23:34 |
| reinob | it's a matter of priorities. if implemeting case-sensitive usernames means we may get 48h downtime then to me it's a no. If fix can be done relatively in a seamless way then why not? | 23:36 |
| HtheB | reinob: ah I though you meant my status | 23:36 |
| reinob | but after all the work will be done by neither of us, so the question is chem|st will be able to do it and if he will want to do it as well | 23:36 |
| juiceme | reinob, the skill is in knowing *beforehand* which category it belongs to :p | 23:37 |
| reinob | HtheB: nope, that's a bug that needs to be fixed | 23:37 |
| warfare | HtheB: could you re-login? | 23:37 |
| reinob | juiceme: you bet. otherwise life would be to easy | 23:37 |
| HtheB | warfare : ok trying | 23:37 |
| HtheB | oh by the way, Opera refuses ti login | 23:37 |
| HtheB | Fatal error 40 | 23:38 |
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| juiceme | has it always been so | 23:38 |
| juiceme | oho HtheB's gone | 23:38 |
| reinob | lowmemkiller ftw! :) | 23:38 |
| juiceme | hehheee | 23:39 |
| reinob | he said he's using the jolla | 23:39 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:39 |
| juiceme | but I have never been bitten with it, don't even know what it looks like. | 23:39 |
| reinob | I have that with Android apps. You open firefox and some other app dies | 23:40 |
| juiceme | does the phone say "xxx been killed because of low mewm" or just kill apps without any info? | 23:40 |
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| reinob | no info | 23:40 |
| juiceme | HtheB, welcome back | 23:40 |
| HtheB | blame OOM please | 23:40 |
| HtheB | thnx | 23:40 |
| juiceme | reinob just didi :)( | 23:40 |
| reinob | I've tweaked it to minimize it, but then every now and then the whole desktop restarts | 23:40 |
| HtheB | how can I logout?! | 23:41 |
| juiceme | so there's no info when it happens? | 23:41 |
| reinob | lowmemkiller is not OOM. lowmemkiller is android, OOM is linux. I've never experienced a real OOM | 23:41 |
| HtheB | couldn't find the logout button | 23:41 |
| juiceme | odd. | 23:41 |
| HtheB | reinob: killing is killing :P | 23:41 |
| juiceme | ahh, never used android, would not know about that. | 23:42 |
| HtheB | warfare: where is the logout button? | 23:42 |
| juiceme | HtheB, if you just close browser and restart? | 23:42 |
| reinob | jolla is android, like it or not. It's glibc-linux userspace on top of android kernel | 23:42 |
| reinob | s/jolla/sailfishos | 23:42 |
| warfare | HtheB: below website -> logout | 23:42 |
| juiceme | reinob yes, but that's ecxactly the point: glibc | 23:43 |
| reinob | but the android kernel is the one with the lowmemkiller | 23:43 |
| juiceme | I could live with a toilet seat running HURD fergossakes, if it had glibc and gnu userland :) | 23:43 |
| reinob | :) | 23:44 |
| reinob | amen | 23:44 |
| HtheB | warfare: nope, no logout button | 23:44 |
| warfare | HtheB: You get the toolbar? | 23:44 |
| HtheB | ah | 23:44 |
| juiceme | so? | 23:45 |
| HtheB | still can't edit haha | 23:45 |
| HtheB | i think I can add new notes | 23:45 |
| HtheB | but not edit posts | 23:46 |
| juiceme | ah | 23:46 |
| HtheB | or isn't that what I should do? | 23:46 |
| juiceme | well half's better than nuthink :) | 23:46 |
| HtheB | I'm a bit lost here | 23:46 |
| juiceme | adding new is OK... could be you cannot edit posts by others... am not sure | 23:46 |
| HtheB | reinob: what about you? | 23:47 |
| * warfare has no idea of the "user" side. | 23:47 | |
| juiceme | mmh, at least I can edit posts made by peterleinchen, just checked... | 23:48 |
| warfare | Strange because both of you have the same group memberships. | 23:49 |
| HtheB | warfare: check out the rights of me and juiceme and compare them? | 23:49 |
| HtheB | :/ | 23:50 |
| HtheB | is there a button? | 23:50 |
| HtheB | that I miss | 23:50 |
| reinob | I have no idea how I could edit a post. I can create an article. But I wouldn't have expected the possibility of editing other people's posts, so maybe this is by design. | 23:50 |
| reinob | I'm gonna have to leave. | 23:50 |
| HtheB | oh i see | 23:51 |
| HtheB | its at the top reinob | 23:51 |
| HtheB | the so called toolbar | 23:51 |
| reinob | was nice talking to you guys. Don't take any important decisions when I'm away OK? :) | 23:51 |
| reinob | cheers | 23:51 |
| HtheB | Article | 23:51 |
| juiceme | okay :) | 23:51 |
| HtheB | o/ | 23:51 |
| HtheB | ok i can edit them | 23:51 |
| juiceme | bye! | 23:51 |
| juiceme | you can? excellent! | 23:52 |
| warfare | HtheB: Group memberships are (nearly) identical to juiceme's (except juiceme being in the ubiboot group= | 23:52 |
| HtheB | seems like its inside the toolbar 'Article' | 23:52 |
| warfare | Ah :) | 23:52 |
| juiceme | yes | 23:52 |
| HtheB | i was looking for ab edit button like on the wiki page | 23:52 |
| juiceme | thought I explained it, but not well enought then :) | 23:52 |
| HtheB | sorry for that | 23:52 |
| juiceme | np | 23:52 |
| chem|st | pong | 23:53 |
| juiceme | but hey, now you can go to for example to the latest minutes I posted today, and when you clic "edit" you will see how the html is formatted | 23:53 |
| juiceme | chem|st, hi! | 23:54 |
| HtheB | hi chem|st ! | 23:54 |
| HtheB | Can we have a double status? | 23:54 |
| juiceme | we discussed eaarlier the "Community Council" tag on TMO. Should add that for HtheB and reinob | 23:55 |
| chem|st | quick scroll back, warfare is right, midgard is customized to a point it is even hard to get around the backend | 23:55 |
| juiceme | ah yes, as HtheB is mod | 23:55 |
| chem|st | and no there is no double status and we always went with "staff" status | 23:55 |
| chem|st | if you want I can change it to council | 23:56 |
| HtheB | what is a higher status? mod or council? | 23:56 |
| juiceme | :p | 23:56 |
| chem|st | HtheB: in terms of talk. mod | 23:56 |
| HtheB | chem|st: make me admin :-) | 23:56 |
| HtheB | heheh | 23:56 |
| chem|st | HtheB: I don't think you want that.... | 23:56 |
| HtheB | ok leave it as mod then :D | 23:57 |
| chem|st | k | 23:57 |
| HtheB | ill add it to my signature | 23:57 |
| chem|st | HtheB: you have all secondary groups though | 23:57 |
| juiceme | but for reinob the CC tag should be OK. me and peterleinchen already have that | 23:58 |
| chem|st | warfare: for midgard, maybe have a look to clean out old rights too | 23:58 |
| warfare | chem|st: Yes, we should go over the group memberships. | 23:59 |
| chem|st | juiceme: yeah, but it isn't like cloaks | 23:59 |
| HtheB | im wondering when we can remove the Beta sign from the website | 23:59 |
| juiceme | bound to be stuff to clean out and tighten | 23:59 |
| juiceme | chem|st, yes, just for status | 23:59 |
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