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| peterleinchen | Houston, I feel lucky ;) | 22:03 |
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| peterleinchen | But at same time also sick: will go to bed now and not attend tonight. Sorry | 22:03 |
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| juiceme | hi all! o/ | 22:55 |
| juiceme | hey ho! | 23:04 |
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| juiceme | Oksanaa, good morning :) | 23:09 |
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| juiceme | M4rtinK, hi! | 23:17 |
| Oksanaa | Moin :-) | 23:23 |
| juiceme | seems the spamfest on TMO is over for the while | 23:24 |
| juiceme | worst I've seen for a while, that | 23:25 |
| Oksanaa | But how did it happen? Weren't there some protections against bots registering as new users? | 23:25 |
| juiceme | I assume the registration was done by someone alive | 23:25 |
| juiceme | there were not so many accounts the posting came from | 23:25 |
| Oksanaa | Okay... Somebody went to the trouble... Okay. | 23:26 |
| juiceme | I have no idea what the benefit was. What language were those postings? | 23:27 |
| Oksanaa | Korean | 23:27 |
| juiceme | okay | 23:27 |
| Oksanaa | Probably gibberish, did you try to translate it? | 23:28 |
| juiceme | one would assume english spam would gather more eyeballs | 23:28 |
| juiceme | yes, I tried pasting one article to GT but it did not even rcognize the language | 23:28 |
| Oksanaa | That's why it's strange. Why would humans register accounts on TMO to post such a visible, non-English spam? | 23:29 |
| * Oksanaa can only assume it was a test run before they attack a vBulletin-based /Korean/ forum | 23:30 | |
| juiceme | could be, yes. So we were just victims of a shooter from a passing van. | 23:31 |
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| Oksanaa | Is the an expert on debian packaging? To package gcc 4.7 for CSSU-Thumb as freemangordon mentioned earlier, if I remember correctly? | 23:34 |
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| juiceme | I've created some packages but it has been a while. | 23:35 |
| juiceme | it is not that difficult if you have a tarball that compiles clean | 23:35 |
| Oksanaa | Ask freemangordon what the problems were? | 23:36 |
| juiceme | so there was something wrong? | 23:36 |
| juiceme | could be that the compile environment is not that straightforward for N90 | 23:37 |
| juiceme | N900 I mean | 23:37 |
| juiceme | it's scratchbox, right? | 23:37 |
| chem|st | was a korean online casino (tmo spam), it stopped as we cleaned out the spammers and closed registration for the time being | 23:37 |
| Oksanaa | Could be. It's in the logs of this channel, around previous meeting? I don't know much about CSSU-Thumb. | 23:38 |
| juiceme | I only once did try packaging a library fix for N9 in scratchbox and I just could not get it to work like it should have | 23:38 |
| juiceme | chem|st, hi! | 23:38 |
| Oksanaa | What can be done to re-open registration without making it easy to spam the forum? | 23:39 |
| chem|st | still no hard paperwork from our bank, juiceme | 23:39 |
| chem|st | juiceme: did you find time for the court papers or are you waiting on me for a draft? | 23:40 |
| juiceme | I was waiting for the draft | 23:40 |
| chem|st | ah ok | 23:40 |
| chem|st | will do that the next days then | 23:40 |
| juiceme | sorry I forgot to mention that | 23:40 |
| juiceme | thanks | 23:40 |
| juiceme | was there some timeline the meeting minutes need to be notarized and delivered to court? | 23:41 |
| chem|st | no worries, I did not ahve time for looking into NPO things, what I want to do beforehand to save us the 50eur court fees | 23:41 |
| juiceme | good thinking, that | 23:42 |
| chem|st | and we need to get you into proper bookkeeping IN German! | 23:42 |
| chem|st | no worries, you just need to know the few words you need to put into the books, like what expenses and what donations and stuff | 23:43 |
| juiceme | ya! | 23:43 |
| chem|st | ok I will go afk again (cranking FPV gear) | 23:44 |
| Oksanaa | What can be done to re-open registration without making it easy to spam the forum? | 23:44 |
| juiceme | I will learn that, unless it needs to have a year-long uni course on german economics :) | 23:44 |
| chem|st | Oksanaa: nothing, they seem to be alive so they can easily shoot through anything keeping bots out | 23:45 |
| juiceme | same thought, bots can be stopped but people not | 23:45 |
| chem|st | till the first post they have already two different captchas to fill in and email verification, firewall keeping lots of IP ranges outside and so on | 23:45 |
| Oksanaa | But, can they post something in English deemed useful enough by humans to receive Thanks!? | 23:46 |
| juiceme | unless a moderated registering is implemented, which itself is a pain to run if there are lots of incoming | 23:46 |
| chem|st | I had akismet post checking active, but that filters 80% legit posts | 23:46 |
| chem|st | or even 95% | 23:47 |
| juiceme | well that'd be one idea, maybe limit newcomers to 2 posts a day for the first week :) | 23:47 |
| chem|st | they are already freaking out being unable to PM for 5 posts... | 23:47 |
| juiceme | yes, have seen that | 23:47 |
| Oksanaa | :-) And this first week will be enough for moderators to delete obvious spammers... | 23:48 |
| chem|st | sadly the akismet would be the only way but akismet is so bad as it is not designed for tech sites it seems, everything related to software/hardware seems to be filtered | 23:48 |
| Oksanaa | unless they have patience to human-post 14 useful things during first week... | 23:48 |
| chem|st | well I think we make to big of a fuzz... we had 22 spammer accounts from 2 sources, that is many posts but actually isn't bad at all | 23:49 |
| Oksanaa | :-) | 23:49 |
| juiceme | moderators did a good job killing the spams | 23:50 |
| juiceme | it came as waves, looked like to me | 23:50 |
| chem|st | zero is desired but well to get hit by a spamtruck once or twice a year is ok for a forum with 30k legit accounts and 400-600 people online | 23:50 |
| juiceme | I wondered about the amount of accounts once... how many really are active? | 23:51 |
| juiceme | I mean, there must be lots who read regularily but post rarely | 23:51 |
| chem|st | council could ask for more spam-moderators, but otoh when I came online I had to delete one account, all others where served already | 23:51 |
| juiceme | no way to find out how many unless from forum logs | 23:51 |
| juiceme | I think thedead killed some, at least he posted about it | 23:52 |
| chem|st | juiceme: the 30k used to be 72k, I cleaned out inactive accounts with 0 posts | 23:52 |
| juiceme | ah, good | 23:52 |
| Oksanaa | Yes, it's sad how few people vote in elections. | 23:53 |
| juiceme | so there really are ~30k more or less active accounts | 23:53 |
| chem|st | 15k where sleepercells | 23:53 |
| chem|st | were | 23:53 |
| juiceme | sleepercells? | 23:53 |
| chem|st | accounts created by some nutjob like the koreans today, those accounts get sold as >30days old properly registered | 23:53 |
| juiceme | ahh, ugly stuff | 23:54 |
| juiceme | how do you recognize those? | 23:54 |
| chem|st | every now and then we had spamm from accounts our spam-mods could not delete as they get protected from it when old enough | 23:54 |
| chem|st | accounts created and never logged in after creation | 23:54 |
| chem|st | last login is within hours of account creation | 23:55 |
| juiceme | okay | 23:55 |
| chem|st | usually minutes, or even never | 23:55 |
| chem|st | just registered with email auth and thats it | 23:55 |
| juiceme | crazy business this spam business | 23:56 |
| chem|st | did a massprune a while ago with a customized sql script | 23:56 |
| juiceme | good riddance that :) | 23:56 |
| chem|st | well, I am really afk now, need to finish that display-box | 23:57 |
| Oksanaa | :-) | 23:57 |
| juiceme | bye then | 23:57 |
| juiceme | I'll be dropping off too | 23:57 |
| juiceme | Oksanaa, will you talk with freemangordon about gcc? | 23:58 |
| Oksanaa | Yes, when I see him. | 23:58 |
| juiceme | good | 23:58 |
| juiceme | One thing we might start thinking about, is programming contests | 23:59 |
| juiceme | it has been fairly long since we had one | 23:59 |
| juiceme | and we have some promised donation devices too | 23:59 |
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