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| gerbick | Hi all... what have I missed? | 22:13 |
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| * sixwheeledbeast looks at the scrollback | 22:21 | |
| sixwheeledbeast | er, nothing I believe | 22:21 |
| gerbick | Wait, I'm early today... right? This usually coincides with another meeting I have on Tuesdays at the office and I think they moved it up. So I'm off... | 22:23 |
| gerbick | One of those days... | 22:24 |
| sixwheeledbeast | While I remember who is looking after maintainers on extras pkgs. I have someone that wishes to be a maintainer of libssh2-1 pkg, they have contacted the current maintainer and got no response. I assume there are pending requests in midgard. | 22:24 |
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| juiceme | Hi all! \o/ | 23:05 |
| gerbick | Wie geht's | 23:05 |
| juiceme | gerbick, you were bit early today :) | 23:06 |
| MentalistTraceur | Hey all. | 23:06 |
| MentalistTraceur | Am I still connected? | 23:07 |
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| peterleinchen | You are :) | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen | NOT | 23:07 |
| peterleinchen | Good evening all | 23:07 |
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| MentalistTraceur | Hello again? | 23:07 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Had to reconnect, strange laggy-ness) | 23:08 |
| gerbick | Hello all - I see you MT | 23:08 |
| juiceme | Oksana's still asleep | 23:09 |
| peterleinchen | how do you know? :) | 23:10 |
| juiceme | just guessing, since it is so early down there :) | 23:10 |
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| juiceme | so, how has it been, fairly busy last week | 23:11 |
| juiceme | pichlo, hi | 23:11 |
| pichlo | how did you know I joined? | 23:12 |
| Oksana | Moin :-) | 23:12 |
| pichlo | I thought you said the last time that lurkers are invisible until they speak up! | 23:12 |
| Sicelo | heh | 23:12 |
| peterleinchen | oksana, moin moin | 23:12 |
| pichlo | BTW hi! :) | 23:13 |
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| juiceme | regarding the MCEV bank account, it's progressing okay, sent a thick wad of signed & notarized papers to germany , expecting them to be filled out correctly :) | 23:13 |
| juiceme | Oksana hiya, | 23:13 |
| peterleinchen | juiceme, thx | 23:13 |
| juiceme | Sicelo, hiya | 23:13 |
| Oksana | Welcome M4rtinK :-) | 23:13 |
| Sicelo | hi everyone. | 23:14 |
| juiceme | pichlo, lurkers are invisible when thy have joined, but all joining and leaving show up | 23:14 |
| Oksana | Lurkers (the ones who keep client connected all the time, even when they are away-asleep) are not recognisable as here, until they speak up. | 23:14 |
| juiceme | M4rtinK, hiya | 23:14 |
| pichlo | Yeah, saw Martin's notification | 23:14 |
| juiceme | pichlo, yo will get the hang of it soon :) | 23:15 |
| juiceme | and when you have, you probably will want to switch using a console client with screen always running :) | 23:15 |
| MentalistTraceur | Civilized people mark themselves Away when they know they'll just be leaving a client idling. | 23:16 |
| MentalistTraceur | Just sayin'. | 23:16 |
| Sicelo | but away is not visible in a channel :p | 23:16 |
| Sicelo | unless sicelo_away, which is again another hot topic | 23:16 |
| juiceme | also, thanks to warfare for getting the domain switch done so neatly. I was expecting to need of speedy payment for the renewal but he graciously paid up the domains for an year at the same time! | 23:17 |
| Oksana | Away is visible, because the name in the list switch from black to grey-italic (chatzilla) | 23:17 |
| Oksana | switches* | 23:17 |
| Sicelo | irssi? | 23:17 |
| juiceme | MentalistTraceur, I almost always remember to do that. | 23:18 |
| juiceme | and sometimes forget to mark myself back when I am taling again... | 23:18 |
| Oksana | :-) | 23:18 |
| MentalistTraceur | Sicelo: that depends on client, but the point is the status is there for the querying. | 23:18 |
| peterleinchen | console clients also do it on their own (bitchX) | 23:19 |
| pichlo | Well, for the time being, my client is webchat.freenode.net | 23:19 |
| juiceme | some clients do have a list of inmates on some sidepanel, so there's no need for checking status... | 23:19 |
| * Sicelo is on irssi. anyway, not disagreeing with anybody | 23:19 | |
| MentalistTraceur | Sicelo: Yeah, me too, and I /do/ wish there was a quicker way to see Away-ness on it. | 23:20 |
| M4rtinK | hi! :) | 23:20 |
| * juiceme misses bitchX, used it for years... | 23:20 | |
| Oksana | There is /wii or something command for that, but yes, sidepanel _is_ neat. | 23:21 |
| * peterleinchen IS using it on N900 !!! :) | 23:22 | |
| Oksana | Okay, so freemangordon wanted to look into the thumb target for auto-builder, domains are transferred, Win7Mac sent letter to Roschier about trademarks... | 23:22 |
| * Oksana occasionally uses Chatzilla on N900 | 23:22 | |
| Oksana | What about IRC-plugin for Conversations-IM? Is it possible? | 23:22 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oksana: I use irssi on N900. Have for years. | 23:22 |
| MentalistTraceur | :) | 23:23 |
| Sicelo | Oksana: that works. tried it once | 23:23 |
| juiceme | Oksana, that command (/wii) does nothing for me... :( | 23:23 |
| Sicelo | juiceme: it's /wi .. short of /whois | 23:23 |
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| juiceme | juiceme> Oksana, that command (/wii) does nothing for me... :( | 23:23 |
| M4rtinK | Oksana: would that make building & having Qt 5 available in Extras-Devel ? | 23:23 |
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| juiceme | Sicelo thanks! | 23:24 |
| M4rtinK | Oksana: because that would be very nice | 23:24 |
| Oksana | Sorry, there was some kind of insanity with keyboard shortcuts, and the tab closed... | 23:24 |
| juiceme | it happens. | 23:26 |
| M4rtinK | Oksana: would the thumb target make building Qt 5 and having it in Extras possible ? | 23:26 |
| Oksana | I do not expect that Qt5-building depends on thumb or not thumb... What was the problem with Qt5 on N900? | 23:27 |
| M4rtinK | Oksana: I think it needs newer gcc and that the thumb stuff has it | 23:29 |
| M4rtinK | http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt5-Maemo5 | 23:30 |
| Oksana | Ah, that's a related question: availability of the same gcc versions on all targets, and completeness of said gcc versions. | 23:30 |
| M4rtinK | in prerequisites for building Qt 5 for Maemo it lists "scratchbox ARMEL target CSSU-thumb toolchain setup (gcc4.7.2-linaro)" | 23:31 |
| M4rtinK | so that's why I'm asking :) | 23:31 |
| juiceme | so what's the version that's n there? | 23:32 |
| Oksana | Kernel, as they said, does not have to be thumb - it can be CSSU-Testing. GCC, for some reason, is recommended 4.7.2 | 23:34 |
| MentalistTraceur | Sounds to me like the wiki is misleading then. | 23:35 |
| Oksana | Prerequisites : any scratchbox ARMEL target, tested with CSSU-thumb toolchain setup (gcc4.7.2-linaro) http://wiki.maemo.org/Qt5-Maemo5/Development | 23:35 |
| MentalistTraceur | And I think generally we should strive for newer GCC versions across the board. | 23:35 |
| juiceme | gcc versions can be a real pain, it seems I am always running into some situation where it matters. Even more so with g++ versions :o | 23:35 |
| Oksana | There need to be all (not buggy) versions available, so that it would be easier to compare them, and choose which one works better. And work out recommendations about which ones should - should not - be used. | 23:37 |
| Oksana | There are currently: 3.4.4 (for Diablo and Fremantle); 4.2.1 and 4.4 (failed) and 4.6.1 (why non-free?) (for Fremantle) | 23:40 |
| juiceme | and what really bugs me is sometimes it goes the wrong way around; for example I rn into no end of trouble when building the current Jolla kernel with 4.7.3 until I tried it on another machine whic has 4.6.3... and guess what, the older one compiled it without a hitch! | 23:40 |
| MentalistTraceur | Compiler hell makes me just want to bitterly hate every coder that can't stick to one of the mostly supported C standard(s) (and the fact that I have to add that 's' makes me want to hate everyone for not rapidly adopting new standards and dropping the old), and less bitterly hate compiler writers (because their work is hard, so I'm willing to soften my hate for them). | 23:43 |
| MentalistTraceur | Of course, seriously speaking, I know there's good reasons why those things don't work out... | 23:44 |
| MentalistTraceur | but it's more emotionally gratifying to just express the former sentiment, rather than being all mature about it. | 23:44 |
| MentalistTraceur | (Did I just contribute to a derailing of the discussion, or am I lagged out of IRC?) | 23:46 |
| juiceme | it's a good thing that development of compilers is fairly rapid; as there always are bugs that need to be corrected. However most problems IMHO are caused by developers then dancing around those bugs to get theit SW to build nicely, causing it to fail catastrophicaly later when the said bugs have been ousted... :( | 23:47 |
| juiceme | MT, derailing is the daily topic | 23:47 |
| juiceme | hmmh, so railing it back | 23:47 |
| juiceme | what's on the agenda now, I gave my status report :) | 23:48 |
| pichlo | derailing again... perhaps I am getting old, but unlike MT, I hate developer who just HAVE to switch to a new version just because one came out just yesterday | 23:49 |
| pichlo | if something works, what's wrong with it? | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | there are many different kinds of "works" :) | 23:50 |
| pichlo | (or users for that matter) | 23:50 |
| M4rtinK | +1 | 23:51 |
| MentalistTraceur | pichlo: If nothing is wrong with it, they shouldn't have made a new standard. But typically, if a better version is out, it's because something is wrong, and maybe you just haven't noticed it in your usecases. | 23:51 |
| pichlo | Martink, true! :) | 23:51 |
| juiceme | well, what if it just feels dated? or the colors do not look so snappy this year? :o | 23:51 |
| M4rtinK | also quite of ten something that "works" on the inside is a horrible unmaintainable mess on the inside | 23:52 |
| M4rtinK | *often | 23:52 |
| MentalistTraceur | For example, C89 is mostly fine, but it has something wrong with it: the compiler can't make certain optimizations on functions which take several pointers to the same time, because it lacks what C99's "restrict" keyword provides. | 23:52 |
| juiceme | agreed with you there, especially on the c++ side! | 23:52 |
| pichlo | MartinK, and "outside" for one of them, presumably :) | 23:52 |
| MentalistTraceur | Admittedly, compilers mostly added the restrict keyword first, and C99 followed suit as a standard, but they too added it for a good reason (and back then that would've been a good reason to upgrade compilers, probably) | 23:54 |
| pichlo | C99 is cool, nothing against it | 23:54 |
| Oksana | Ok, getting back on track... juiceme , does the email template of voting system include personal voting link? MentalistTraceur, have you looked into PHP code calculating election results? | 23:55 |
| juiceme | Oksana, nope, not implemented yet. | 23:55 |
| M4rtinK | BTW, just for an example what happens if you rebuild Fedora with GCC 5.0: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/pipermail/devel/2015-February/207549.html | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | and thats just GCC 4.9 -> 5.0 | 23:56 |
| M4rtinK | <end off topic> | 23:56 |
| Oksana | Did X-Fade ever answer about adding alternative group contacts for Freenode? | juiceme, is help needed? | 23:57 |
| juiceme | Oksana, there was somethng I thought of that might be a complication on implementing it but I cannot remember any longer what was it! nothing too seroius though. | 23:57 |
| peterleinchen | as that is for me just a nice-to-have | 23:57 |
| peterleinchen | but calculation should work | 23:58 |
| juiceme | You are welcome to look into it if you so wish :) I only have been too busy with other stuff to look into it yet. | 23:58 |
| juiceme | MentalistTraceur, did you look into the voting calculation problem? | 23:58 |
| peterleinchen | or it can be done manually (by a few only) | 23:58 |
| MentalistTraceur | Oksana: juiceme: Still haven't had a chance to. (We should install an electric shock collar on me which would remind me to do so daily or something.) | 23:59 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen, now you lost me... do you mean the calculation manually or what? | 23:59 |
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