| RzR | vote for me as the hutter | 00:00 |
|---|---|---|
| RzR | hunter | 00:00 |
| RzR | damn bb10 keyboard | 00:00 |
| * juiceme proposes RzR da official hunter | 00:00 | |
| nieldk | * nieldk RzR da official hunter | 00:01 |
| Win7Mac | and I'm convinced DocScrutinizer05 would fine with whatever you agree upon since he very likely is not keen on either position and may very like ly agree to any volunteers... | 00:01 |
| juiceme | that might be true, as he asid he will have limited availability | 00:02 |
| juiceme | s/asid/said | 00:02 |
| juiceme | damn kbd | 00:03 |
| Win7Mac | and you are majoity now... | 00:03 |
| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: | 00:03 |
| Win7Mac | majority even... ;) | 00:03 |
| RzR | yes he said he will have limited time | 00:03 |
| juiceme | yes. SO i propose that one of the new councillors takes the chair&secretary role | 00:04 |
| nieldk | may I propose Peter | 00:05 |
| juiceme | seconded | 00:05 |
| Win7Mac | ;-) | 00:05 |
| peterleinchen_ | just wanted to propose the late in game guy ;) | 00:05 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, are you ready to accept? | 00:05 |
| nieldk | blame kimmoli ;) | 00:06 |
| juiceme | hmm, you had meeting with him? | 00:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | I am NOT keen on any role, but "would" accept if nobody else steps up | 00:06 |
| nieldk | no, he made me a toholed-ninja | 00:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | chair needs what??? | 00:07 |
| juiceme | it is not a bad/difficult role | 00:07 |
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| peterleinchen_ | s/needs/means/ | 00:07 |
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| juiceme | chair means, if we need to vote on something, arrange the voting and announce result | 00:07 |
| juiceme | just show of hands, no secret ballots | 00:08 |
| Win7Mac | chair also is supposed to announce meetings and its' topics so decissions can be made | 00:08 |
| juiceme | also it means a secretary role, so to write up a short version of the minutes from IRC logs | 00:08 |
| juiceme | if you have seen the messages in the Maemo news section, which also get autoposted to TMO community group, those are my minutes | 00:09 |
| Win7Mac | well, if any special topic present, otherwise regular meetings should be regularly visited... | 00:09 |
| Win7Mac | ^^re chair role | 00:10 |
| juiceme | yes, if for some reason all councillors are needed to decide on something | 00:10 |
| peterleinchen_ | so not regularrly only if something special minutes are needed, right? | 00:11 |
| juiceme | well, I wrote up a short story from every meeting | 00:11 |
| juiceme | but if nothing happened it was just who was present and just about that | 00:12 |
| nieldk | juice,e, do you have a link for | 00:12 |
| nieldk | a link for peter to see an example | 00:12 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme: really? every week a mom? never seen those, only a few .. | 00:12 |
| peterleinchen_ | I know a few, ;) | 00:13 |
| * sixwheeledbeast thinks juiceme did a fine job of secretary last term | 00:13 | |
| juiceme | all the posts under http://maemo.org/community/council/ which say "meeting minutes" | 00:13 |
| * Win7Mac thinks too | 00:13 | |
| juiceme | thanks guys :) | 00:13 |
| nieldk | (yes, juice did excellent) | 00:14 |
| RzR | back i just did pm doc | 00:14 |
| * peterleinchen_ also thinks so | 00:14 | |
| peterleinchen_ | will be hard job to do better :) | 00:14 |
| Win7Mac | well, if nothing happens/noone present, no need to report about it... | 00:14 |
| juiceme | no, I am sure you'll do fine :) | 00:15 |
| nieldk | * yes no doubt :) | 00:15 |
| RzR | and none of us are native english speakers | 00:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme: may I ask you to do this mom as I do not know how to post and where | 00:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | or it needs some time ... | 00:16 |
| juiceme | additionally, before I posted it to Maemo, I sent the draft to council@maemo.org mailing list for verification... but that was just my style :) | 00:16 |
| juiceme | peterleinchen_, sure, I can do it for this meeting. | 00:16 |
| peterleinchen_ | no, good way | 00:16 |
| peterleinchen_ | thx | 00:16 |
| Win7Mac | juiceme, good practice! | 00:16 |
| juiceme | and I will help you in the future, no worry :) | 00:16 |
| RzR | could we decide to use the wiki more for coop tasks ? | 00:17 |
| peterleinchen_ | what kind of? | 00:17 |
| RzR | or maybe this should remain zuperzecret | 00:17 |
| Win7Mac | RzR, had that earlier, good point, but needs maintainer(s)... | 00:17 |
| RzR | maintainers for what ? wiki sections ? | 00:18 |
| Win7Mac | forget it, just do it! | 00:18 |
| nieldk | no objections to that | 00:19 |
| Win7Mac | would be great! | 00:20 |
| RzR | this is the tool for drafts | 00:20 |
| nieldk | isnt that kinda what the wiki is made for ;) | 00:20 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wiki is more for reference, piratepad is more for joint tasks | 00:21 |
| RzR | ok | 00:21 |
| Win7Mac | nieldk, sure, that's the right approach | 00:21 |
| * peterleinchen_ imagining a wiki page for a letter to Nokia asking for hosting firmware blobs | 00:21 | |
| RzR | but wiki as a search feat not ppad | 00:22 |
| Win7Mac | RzR, true | 00:22 |
| RzR | well i have no objection to do thing in the open unless there is a reason for keeping it private | 00:23 |
| RzR | specially at this point | 00:23 |
| juiceme | the search in th ewiki really sucks, or I just cannot use it properly... | 00:23 |
| RzR | where nokia is drifting far from us | 00:23 |
| RzR | or the opposite | 00:23 |
| Win7Mac | absolutely, communication within council shouldn't be public | 00:24 |
| juiceme | mm, there is also irc channels for more private things | 00:24 |
| Win7Mac | and email... | 00:24 |
| RzR | ok | 00:25 |
| peterleinchen_ | council@maemo.org is to be used for such? | 00:25 |
| Win7Mac | yes | 00:25 |
| peterleinchen_ | so only CC members can subscribe? | 00:25 |
| juiceme | yes | 00:25 |
| sixwheeledbeast | generally if a letter, referendum etc is to be drafted this is done on a piratepad with people logged in. Then link posted in minutes and here if required. wiki will end up a mess if used for random sketching, you cannot delete a page for example. | 00:25 |
| nieldk | previously these meetings were mostly open, but private meetings could be initiated, as I recall, there also were quite a drama on closinest of coiuncil in yhe community, so... | 00:25 |
| peterleinchen_ | "current " ones or also oleder | 00:26 |
| Win7Mac | I mean for real internal stuff, otherwise posting here is desired ;) | 00:26 |
| sixwheeledbeast | also wiki search yields poor results generally | 00:26 |
| peterleinchen_ | this here is open to public, too | 00:26 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen_, absolutely | 00:27 |
| peterleinchen_ | sixwheeldbeast: I would see wiki page as a result of PP actions | 00:28 |
| nieldk | seems reasonable | 00:30 |
| nieldk | and probably much more usable | 00:30 |
| sixwheeledbeast | peterleinchen_: if required yes, maybe additions to pages already there. sometimes TMO, garage announcement or mailing list could be more appropriate. | 00:31 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/additions/edits/ | 00:31 |
| peterleinchen_ | rZr? | 00:32 |
| nieldk | true, but in general, it seems more effective to have a collectied storage for all, allthough, yes, thats when the maintainer issue pops up, to have pages organized and structured | 00:33 |
| RzR | yes ? | 00:33 |
| juiceme | One thing I wondered about those documents we edited over network pad... cannot remwmber was it piratepad or what.. what's the security there, is it besd on knowing the link? | 00:33 |
| juiceme | s/besd/based/ | 00:35 |
| RzR | there are some pad with local "keys" IICR | 00:35 |
| RzR | i'll try to find them back if this is a big concern | 00:36 |
| juiceme | okay. Who takes care of the Council mailing list, is it Falk? | 00:36 |
| Win7Mac | techstaff, falk + xes | 00:36 |
| RzR | a mailmaster ? | 00:36 |
| juiceme | that list is just a bouncer | 00:37 |
| juiceme | it is not joinable, hence no majordomo | 00:37 |
| Win7Mac | peterleinchen_ ;) | 00:37 |
| RzR | next topic now ? | 00:40 |
| RzR | been asked about harmattansdk | 00:41 |
| RzR | could we legaly publish a vm with installed scratchbox | 00:42 |
| juiceme | mm, one thing, nieldk before you joined, we talked about the meeting times | 00:42 |
| juiceme | ans conclusion is that tuesday/20:oo UTC is pretty much OK for all. How about you? | 00:42 |
| nieldk | juiceme, no worries, its goid. Next tuesday however im on the road back from vacation | 00:43 |
| juiceme | RzR, I really don't know | 00:43 |
| Win7Mac | RzR, you may ant to potpone that until things are settled | 00:43 |
| juiceme | ok, no prob, I'll also start my vacations this weekend. | 00:43 |
| RzR | sure i was filling the blank | 00:44 |
| juiceme | however I'll try to attend, unless I get confused on weekdays :) | 00:44 |
| nieldk | mine starts in 9 hours :) | 00:44 |
| * juiceme envies... still 3 days to go | 00:44 | |
| juiceme | okay, what else until we close for da night? | 00:45 |
| peterleinchen_ | juiceme: <sixwheeledbeast> juiceme: the general happenings of the handover meeting is normally... announce election results > thanks and hellos to all past and future CC > nominating chair and sec > checking meeting times ok for all > handover of any on going tasks > plans for current term > create todo list for infra changes. | 00:46 |
| peterleinchen_ | :) | 00:46 |
| RzR | i was thinking do we have a list to put random idea for next 6 months | 00:46 |
| juiceme | RzR, currently not as such. obviously wiki unless it's top-secret stuff | 00:47 |
| peterleinchen_ | I thought we agreed on PP not wiki? | 00:48 |
| juiceme | actually, I think it is possible to have a section of wiki as login-only, I have seen that kind of implementation | 00:48 |
| peterleinchen_ | Or we create a wiki page for CC ideas/lists/tasks(whatever and maintain that on CC own | 00:49 |
| juiceme | piratepad is okay | 00:49 |
| RzR | ok for ppad | 00:49 |
| juiceme | is that stable BTW... I have a healthy untrust in aly cloudstuff not owned&operated by myself | 00:50 |
| nieldk | +1 | 00:50 |
| peterleinchen_ | ONE open wiki page for me would be okay too. sixwheeledbeast? | 00:50 |
| peterleinchen_ | so, voting time? :) | 00:51 |
| juiceme | yes, could do that as an exercise | 00:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well some topics to mull over (for the future not now!) ;), IRC cloaks, up date CC wiki page and include pictures (I may start that if I have time), TomJ's topic on TMO about Extras demotion. | 00:51 |
| sixwheeledbeast | wiki can be login only on some pages | 00:52 |
| juiceme | ^^^ | 00:52 |
| juiceme | yes | 00:52 |
| nieldk | sounds good | 00:52 |
| peterleinchen_ | @all prefer wiki or PP? | 00:53 |
| nieldk | yes | 00:53 |
| * peterleinchen_ prefers wiki | 00:53 | |
| RzR | no real preference | 00:53 |
| juiceme | wiki, if can be made login-only | 00:53 |
| peterleinchen_ | nieldk: yes and/or yes what? | 00:53 |
| RzR | wiki : needs setup time | 00:53 |
| nieldk | yes, I prefer wiki (with login) | 00:54 |
| RzR | ppad : could be volatile | 00:54 |
| juiceme | yes but it is more secure in the long run | 00:54 |
| juiceme | wiki ^^^ | 00:54 |
| juiceme | imo | 00:54 |
| RzR | ok then wiki | 00:54 |
| peterleinchen_ | I do see wiki preferred, so shall it be. | 00:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | if you use a wiki page for tasks please make sure you use something like "Task:Community_Council/foobar" | 00:55 |
| RzR | who w/c/ould set it up ? | 00:55 |
| peterleinchen_ | sixwheeledbeast: could you do that? especially regarding login? | 00:55 |
| sixwheeledbeast | In fact what topic do you want and I'll set that up | 00:55 |
| juiceme | sixwheeledbeast is the wiki-wizard :) | 00:56 |
| RzR | a single page is enough for now | 00:56 |
| peterleinchen_ | Yes. any suggestions? Task:Community_Council/BRAINSTORMER ? | 00:57 |
| RzR | task::cc/TODO ? | 00:57 |
| sixwheeledbeast | hardly a wizard, just had lots of practice | 00:57 |
| peterleinchen_ | do not expect nice wiki entries from me ;) just plain lines ... | 00:57 |
| RzR | fine | 00:58 |
| nieldk | peterleinchen_, simple is sometimes better :) | 00:58 |
| sixwheeledbeast | peterleinchen_: bullet points (start line with a *) ;) | 00:58 |
| Win7Mac | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Improving_maemo.org ;) | 00:59 |
| RzR | yes let's K.I.S.S. now | 00:59 |
| RzR | so we have a week to fill this todo list and we pick few items to focus on | 01:02 |
| RzR | is that the plan ? | 01:02 |
| juiceme | RzR, sounds good and progressive | 01:03 |
| peterleinchen_ | yep, okay! anything else? i need "sleep" ... | 01:03 |
| nieldk | peterleinchen_, me too :) | 01:03 |
| RzR | ok for me | 01:03 |
| * juiceme needs to take a few hours nap, too | 01:03 | |
| peterleinchen_ | oh just seen DocScrutinizer Doc seems to be away since [22:10] == away : burnout, sorry | 01:04 |
| peterleinchen_ | seems he went to bed early today ;) | 01:04 |
| juiceme | work stress | 01:04 |
| RzR | ouch | 01:04 |
| sixwheeledbeast | http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:Community_Council/Council_Q2_2014/Agenda | 01:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | done, protected to users only | 01:05 |
| RzR | so we met next week hope doc will be back again stronger than never | 01:05 |
| juiceme | sixwheeledbeast, thanks | 01:05 |
| RzR | thx sixwheeledbeast | 01:05 |
| sixwheeledbeast | np | 01:06 |
| nieldk | sixwheeledbeast, godd, thanks | 01:06 |
| juiceme | so, that's it for now, then? | 01:06 |
| nieldk | ^^^good | 01:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | sixwheeledbeast: fast. thx | 01:06 |
| peterleinchen_ | yep | 01:07 |
| * peterleinchen_ says thank you and good night | 01:07 | |
| nieldk | nighty night, -and thanks | 01:08 |
| juiceme | n8, everybody | 01:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | gn peterleinchen_ | 01:08 |
| RzR | sixwheeledbeast: i can see the page unlogged | 01:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | RzR: yes | 01:08 |
| RzR | peterleinchen_: nite | 01:08 |
| Win7Mac | thanks everybody and good nite | 01:08 |
| sixwheeledbeast | there is no way to block viewing a wiki page only editing writes | 01:09 |
| sixwheeledbeast | s/writes/rights/ :rolleyes | 01:09 |
| RzR | sixwheeledbeast: ok i am able to edit it | 01:11 |
| sixwheeledbeast | RzR: the recent changes shows you were logged in when you edited that | 01:11 |
| Win7Mac | ups, me too... | 01:12 |
| RzR | yed i did log in to test writing | 01:12 |
| Win7Mac | apparently being logged is enough, no matter the user | 01:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | "done, protected to users only" means ALL users or only CC | 01:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | Well I can only think you are still logged in if you can edit. | 01:14 |
| Win7Mac | true | 01:14 |
| sixwheeledbeast | peterleinchen_: there is only an option for all wiki users | 01:14 |
| peterleinchen_ | not exactly the best, as almost everybody may become wiki user ... | 01:15 |
| peterleinchen_ | readability is okay, but editing should be restricted a bit more (if possible) | 01:16 |
| Win7Mac | ... which still is ok since you are commendable maemo-users that take good care of the wiki, right? | 01:16 |
| Win7Mac | http://wiki.maemo.org/Special:RecentChanges | 01:16 |
| Win7Mac | you can even subscribe to wiki pages and get informed by email if any changes are made | 01:17 |
| sixwheeledbeast | well that's all the wiki can provide, you can always rollback changes. This is why I did say piratepad initially. | 01:17 |
| Win7Mac | well, keeping the wikipage is a great idea, for topsecret info use email and webpads | 01:18 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | :nod: that's why I formatted the link like that. at least we can see a public todo list for CC, good for future reference | 01:21 |
| Win7Mac | absolutely | 01:21 |
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| sixwheeledbeast | also it's a good idea to end your bullets in ~~~~ this puts your signature to the changes | 01:22 |
| RzR | true | 01:22 |
| Win7Mac | right | 01:22 |
| sixwheeledbeast | actually --~~~~ looks better | 01:23 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry fellas, slept over. Kinda sick. chair needs to run elections and votes, and decide when sth is unclear. Thus it makes some sense to have a chair that has some idea how council elections work. Cheir needs to get elected unanimously by council. wiki doesn't allow "hidden" pages only visible to certain users, at least not simple. We would need major wiki hacking to allow it | 03:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sixwheeledbeast: many thanks for helping to keep this meeting somewhat on topic! | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | juiceme: old chair needs to publish council election results | 03:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | please everybody note that council is bound by council rules as on maemo wiki. win7mac is constantly trying to redefine what's maemo council. You should ignore this | 03:04 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | our ruleset we got elected to follow is defined in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Council_work ff and in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/FAQ and particularly election and what council *is* got defined in http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Election_Process and http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process | 03:08 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council is not subject to directives from HiFo or any other entity | 03:09 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council work is generally in the public, unless we need to discuss stuff that's simply not appropriate, for which we got council AT maemo.org mail alias (please every council member send a mail to techstaff AT maemo.org, providing your mail address you want to use to receive council@... mails). there's also a IRC channel with protection so we have some closed group chatroom | 03:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (ruleset) there been a referendum to do *minimal* fixing to the ruleset to catch a few flaws that resulted in no elections at all when there were exactly 3 or exactly 5 candidates, and the same referendum made the HiFo rules in line and compatible with our ruleset, so since then HiFo accepted maemo community council to also be Hildon Foundation Council. So - since we had separate votes for MCC and HFC which resulted in one seat | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | being different between the two entities - those two members stepped down from their positions, thus allowing to call the two bodies unified and joned. Since then elections for MCC also elect the HFC since HiFo agreed to accept MCC as HFC. Same time HiFo promised to not change the HiFo bylaws in any way that's not compatible to http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process or any of the other rules MCC is bound to | 03:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since then we are "The Council" and we still follow the same old rules | 03:22 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so please simply ignore statements like >>[2014-07-15 Tue 22:12:50] <Win7Mac> best way? a referendum or convince joerg to accept the rules of the MC e.V. ;) << | 03:24 |
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| DocScrutinizer05 | you cannot convince any of council to accept any other rules than those that always been there, on wiki | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council is bound to those rules | 03:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | on a sidenote for those who might have missed: >>the MC e.V.<< is a new entity founded in Germany which is supposed to take over from HiFo | 03:27 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council is neither subject to directives from HiFo nor from that MC e.V. | 03:28 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and consequently not bound to any rules such an e.V. sets up | 03:29 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | aiui the e.V. tried hard to make their rules in line with our (council's) rules so they can accept council as some entity / part of the e.V. However any differences between "our" rules and "their rules" are not council's problem | 03:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | council accepted to take the duty to act as e.V. council (or whatever the e.V. bylaws call it), but that does NOT mean council accepted the ruleset of e.V. as the new council rules - since we even CANNOT do this | 03:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | the e.V. founders where absolutely aware if the problem that the e.V bylaws have to be 100% in line with council rules and may not redefine any part of council's rules. I heard several times that they positively managed to achive such 100% compliance, but should e.V or any of its members ever state that those rules are _not_ 100% identical, it's e.V. that by doing so opts out of the model of unified MCC and HiFo/MC_e.V. council. | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Council rules however stay what they ever been, and no e.V. or HiFo can redefine them to their liking | 03:38 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | not even we (the council) may. It's exclusively a referendum that may change those rules | 03:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | no matter what win7mac (and others?) are pushing for | 03:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (even when you could argue that council accepted HiFo bylaws as binding for council, this happened on premise of bylaws being one hundred percent identical to new council rules as of http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Election_process. So no matter where the "original" version of the rules is written, it invariably looks like <--- that wiki version) | 03:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (absoutely same applies to MC e.V., council agreed on being e.V. council and accepted the bylaws on premise that they are 100% identical/compatible to the binding rules of council. If they turn out to not be, then council is bound to council's rules, not e.V. rules) | 03:53 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | there's zilch room for interpretations | 03:54 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | if these elections had resulted in extended nomination period not yielding enough candidates, then the outgoing council would have been allowed to do whatever they want, incl accepting e.V. rules as new council rules, or even discintinue the council all together. Since that didn't happen, nothing has changed | 03:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | so, before somebody bans me for spamming the channel: WELCOME TO NEW COUNCIL! :-) | 03:58 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | a last comment: e.V and HiFo both *have* agreed to execute council decisions as long as they are "legit" and don't cause legal troubles to those cashier entities. So in fact HFC/MCeV are subject to to directives from form council | 04:02 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | HiFo: what's state of your PP account? A user is trying to use my private PP account to donate a 1EUR50/month to techstaff. I'm afraid - according to flames I received from your side for ever having accepted any donations - I will have to reject / return such payment. I'm not willing to receive legal threats from your side, nor am I willing to take the burden of organizing such financial stuff any longer on your behalf | 04:12 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | you had at least 6 months now to sort your accounts situations. Please report and instruct what to do! | 04:15 |
| chem|st | DocScrutinizer05: the legal threats are not ours, you are living in Germany so German Law applies. Accepting donations for an association and handling them over private bank accounts is tax fraud and if done over several accounts also matter to money laundering. State of accounts is: HiFo wont try to get registered as NPO again to recover the paypal account. eV is still in registration, after that I will setup a bank-account, paypal and will lo | 10:21 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | chem|st: and this tax / law expertise comes from where? | 10:23 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | sorry when I feel threatened by *you* when you tell me publicly that I'm doing tax fraud | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | particularly when I doubt the correctness of such statement | 10:24 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and I recently got some consulting on accepting donations and the tax issues involved | 10:25 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | anyway, thanks to your "friendly" heads-up I *have* to reject that damn donation, and I want to know what to tell that community menber where to donate instead of my PP account! | 10:26 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | honestly, I'm not interested in 1EUR50 per month traveling across my account | 10:27 |
| rZr | hi DocScrutinizer05 | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | hi | 10:31 |
| rZr | I just contacted nokia about harmattan dev sdk | 10:31 |
| rZr | if it matters | 10:31 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | it matters to council and it should matter to HiFo. However I personally currently don't feel like discussing it, I already had my share of bashing and thus feel pissed today | 10:33 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | (tax fraud) problems would be huger if the donations were to me directly, for me using them for my own purposes. Just forwarding such payments from community member X to seller Y on behalf of the community member is not a tax problem per se | 10:37 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amount X came in, amount X went out. No goods, services, or any of the money went to me. | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | actually amount X-??? went out | 10:39 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | ÜLUS, PLUS of course | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | amount X+??? | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | tell me which taxes I didn't pay! | 10:40 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Umsatzsteuer? hardly. Einkommenssteuer? for sure not | 10:42 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | Money laundering! ROTFL, that starts at currently 5k EUR afaik | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | and it's totally irrelevant how many accounts are involved | 10:44 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | but as long as you got something to piss my leg, you're happy, right? | 10:45 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rZr: sorry for my grumpy mood, and sorry for being terribly late yesterday | 10:51 |
| rZr | no problem | 10:52 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | rZr: you should try to coordinate any such stuff with HiFo | 10:55 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | since it *seems* that HiFo is in negotiations with nokia about all that since 1 or two years | 10:56 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | alas there seems to apply some weird NDA that even forbids stating that the negotiations are still happening, or succeeded, or whatever. And I haven't seen any public sttaus report from HiFo about anything either, during last 6 or 9 months - could have missed it, dunno | 10:58 |
| rZr | DocScrutinizer05: I was doing this a single individual like before | 10:59 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | woody just elaborated during last 12h or so that those negotiations are non-public and therefore HiFo wasn't allowed to tell anything about them (OWTTE) | 11:00 |
| DocScrutinizer05 | he also claimed that council been informed all the time which is absolutely incorrect | 11:03 |
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